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Q2 2019 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 8, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Josh, and I will be your conference call facilitator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Kimball Electronics Second Quarter Fiscal 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Today's call, February 7, 2019, will be recorded and may contain forward-looking statements as defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Risk Factors that may influence the outcome of forward-looking statements can be seen in Kimball's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended June 30, 2018, and in today's release. The panel for today's call is Don Charron, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer; and Mike Sergesketter, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Kimball Electronics. I would now like to turn today's call over to Don Charron. Mr. Charron, you may begin.

Donald Charron

Analyst · G. Research

Thank you, Josh. Welcome, everyone, to our second quarter conference call. Our earnings release was issued yesterday afternoon on the results of our second quarter ended December 31, 2018. We have posted a financial summary presentation to accompany this conference call. The presentation can be found on our Investor Relations website within the Events & Presentations tab. Or if you're listening via the webcast, you can find it in the Downloads tab on webcast portal. I will begin by making a few remarks on the overall quarter, and then I'll turn it over to Mike for the financial overview. After that, we'll answer any questions that you may have. We achieved solid year-over-year growth in 3 of our 4 end market verticals as the ramp-up of new program launches helped to more than offset continued softness in certain other programs primarily caused by global macroeconomic conditions, component shortages and trade uncertainties. We made good progress in optimizing our core business. And with the acquisition of a GES, we took a significant step in our strategy to diversify our sales into a multifaceted manufacturing solutions provider. We are cautiously optimistic that our goal of 8% organic growth remains in reach for fiscal year 2019, and we expect to meet our 4.5% operating income goal for the second half of fiscal year 2019. Our Romania operation continued to progress in its ramp-up and improved its impact on consolidated operating income by 30 basis points compared to the prior fiscal year second quarter. Across all of our units, we continue to drive lean Six Sigma projects and global supply chain initiatives to improve yield and throughput and improve margins. Margin expansion and capital efficiency will continue to be priorities of focus for us. The market continues to experience component shortages, and we remain…

Michael Sergesketter

Analyst

Thanks, Don. During my comments, I will be referring to the slide deck, Don mentioned, which can be found on our Investor Relations website within the Events & Presentations tab. Or if you're listening via the webcast, you can find in the Downloads tab on the webcast portal. As shown on Slide 3, our second quarter sales were $284.1 million, which was a 10% increase compared to net sales of $258.2 million in the prior year second quarter. Sales from the GES acquisition and the impact from the adoption of new review -- new revenue recognition accounting rules each accounted for an increase in sales of 2%, which were partially offset by an unfavorable impact of 1% from foreign currency movements. Slide 4 represents our net sales mix by vertical market. Comparing our net sales by vertical to the same quarter in the prior year, our automotive vertical was down 3% compared to the same quarter a year ago as demand in China and to a lesser degree Europe, more than offset higher sales in North America from the continued ramp-up of new program introductions. Our Medical vertical was up 18% in the current quarter compared to Q2 last year from both continued ramp-up of new product launches and increased demand for existing programs. Our industrial vertical was up 20% from a year ago as a result of both the additional revenue associated with the GES acquisition and from an increase in demand for climate control products. Lastly, our Public Safety vertical was up 29% from the prior year second quarter from both new product launches and increased demand for existing programs. Our gross margin in the second quarter reflected on Slide 5 was 7.2%, which was down from 8.1% in the second quarter of last fiscal year. Our decrease…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. The first question comes from Hendi Susanto from G. Research.

Hendi Susanto

Analyst · G. Research

Good result in spite of the current environment. Don and Mike, can you quantify your exposure to China?

Donald Charron

Analyst · G. Research

Well, we don't disclose sales by geographic region, Hendi, for competitive market intelligence reasons. So we could though just add some color -- more color around the impact that the tariff situation and other sort of global uncertainties have had on our China business. It's a double-digit decline for us year-over-year and it's a pretty significant market for us. So that's about as far as I can go in terms of adding any additional color to it. We obviously, as we stated in our webcast script are hopeful that we have a positive outcome with the U.S. China talks in a new trade agreement. Certainly, if that happens, we are hoping that we can move up off of these lows to maybe not new highs but something in between, a steadier run rate that would improve our results as we go forward. But I would also say that, we've not factored that into our thoughts about the second half of our fiscal year. And so as we're talking about reaching our goal of 4.5% operating income and 8% organic growth, we are factoring in our current business run rates in China in restating those goals and our outlook is to whether or not we think we can reach them this year.

Hendi Susanto

Analyst · G. Research

Got it. And then how is the current situation affect the ramp-up of your Romanian facility?

Donald Charron

Analyst · G. Research

Well, we have had, as we stated again in the script that some slowness in Europe, not a significant as the slowdown in China. But we've seen some softness and so our operations in Poland and Romania are slightly impacted by that, but, again, not nearly to the degree that we are seeing the slowdown in China impact us. But we are continuing to make good progress in Romania. As we stated, we picked up a nice improvement when compared year-over-year to the same quarter last year in terms of the impact of Romania on our operating income results. And we're entering into another phase of ramp-up this fiscal year in the second half of this fiscal year and going into fiscal year 2020. So we think we got a good plan, and we're on track to have Romania continue to contribute positively to our results.

Hendi Susanto

Analyst · G. Research

Okay. Don, is there a way to break down what the driver of growth for the 8% organic growth in terms of which verticals should be a major contributor to that 8% organic growth in June fiscal year 2019?

Donald Charron

Analyst · G. Research

Well, again, it's hard for us to give you any disclosures beyond what we've given you. But what we see in the second half of our fiscal year 2019 is really robust demand in North America. And that's really been the story for us even in the first half, as the China slow down really started in Q1. So we're -- as we look towards the second half of fiscal year 2019, we are expecting that robustness in North American demand will continue. And again, we're not factoring a whole lot of improvement above the bottoms of what we've seen in China, and we expect Europe to be somewhat stable for us in the second half . And so yes, we're counting on North America to help us really achieve that 8% organic growth this fiscal year.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Mike Morales of Walthausen & Co.

Michael Morales

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

So I'd like to dig into your gross margins a little bit more. I think this is an interesting situation that you guys have found yourself in. So help me understand, where your mature programs are and where the newer programs are. Am I correct in characterizing China as having more of your mature programs at this point?

Donald Charron

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Yes.

Michael Morales

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Okay. So with that said, I mean, this is kind of impressive margin performance given that your more mature programs are seeing the degree of slowdown that you called out. How do you see your margin -- your gross margin profile progressing through the year with the strong demand in North America that you called out compared to history?

Donald Charron

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Yes. When we look at our gross margins and when we look at sort of the landing pattern that we had towards the end of fiscal year 2018, just a little bit north of 8% as we called out on Slide 5 in the deck. When we look out and get beyond sort of this China slowdown and a renormalization of our footprint and the utilization of that footprint, the growth in North America, we see ourselves back in that landing pattern and up off of these loads where we've been closer to 7% or 400 basis points down from, let's say, the landing pattern we had during the second half of fiscal year '18. So that's where we're driving ourselves to here in the second half and again that's a big driver behind our cautious optimism that we'll get to 4.5% in the second half of the fiscal year.

Michael Morales

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Sure. And on the components shortage, you mentioned that you expect to work towards back to normal levels. Is there anything that you can give me as far as time frame on what you're seeing on the component supply side and which components you are seeing that most tightness in given some of that slowdown in Asia?

Donald Charron

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Yes, yes, the MLCC shortage really has impacted us, has affected deliveries, has been disruptive to us in our operations. We've been able to keep most of that disruption out of our customers' operations, but at an expense, making spot buys in the market and paying premiums, et cetera. MLCC is by the way being multilayered surrounding capacitors. We use them in almost everything we build and so that shortage really has been the largest headline for shortages throughout 2018. It's starting to subside a bit now, but there are still a few components -- few of those capacitors, voltage especially related, that are issues going into 2019. And then right behind MLCCs will be power semiconductors and there are several different component categories within the power semiconductor group. And there are -- also we're making -- the major suppliers of those components are making good headway as well in terms of bringing new capacity online and catching up to demand. The automotive grade components continue to be more challenging to get than, let's say, the nonautomotive grade components. And in terms of inflation, price inflation, it's felt more there in the automotive grade versus the nonautomotive grade. I'll stop there. The answer to your question, Mike, there was another part of that.

Michael Morales

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Yes, I mean, just from accounting perspective, looking at the calendar is this second half calendar '19 story that you maybe see some relief on this or [indiscernible]

Donald Charron

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Okay, the inventory reduction. We won't see a lot by March 31 ending quarter, although our efforts are ongoing, and we are working the situation pretty hard. But we do expect to see a nice impact in terms of improvement in our cash conversion days by the June 30 ending quarter.

Michael Morales

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

That's very helpful. So now that you've had GES in the portfolio of your fourth quarter, can you give your thoughts on how that's progressing and is the expectation for neutral-to-slightly accretive in fiscal '19 still maintained?

Donald Charron

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Yes, we're really excited about the quality of the strategic assets that came across in the GES acquisition. And when we talk about opening new doors, new places for future growth for our company, we're very excited about that. We're also excited about how this acquisition can help us with our own internal Industry 4.0 strategy, the smart factory of the future and so there's a lot of positive things as we look further out in horizon that we now can say with even more confidence that these strategic assets are going to really help us in that regard. Couple of things about GES. Their current portfolio of business is somewhat concentrated in the smart mobile device and semiconductor manufacturing areas. Those areas notoriously have been cyclical. So we do have exposure there in terms of how the cycle moves through both of those end markets. And then there is some seasonality that also goes along with that, that we mentioned. But all that being said, yes, we still think our plans will indicate to us that we'll hit our publicly stated targets of being EPS accretive by the second year and ROIC accretive by the third year.

Michael Morales

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Okay. And then the color that you provided on the SG&A decline was very helpful. How do you think about this progressing through the year given some of the news we've been hearing about minimum wage increases in China? How do you see that shaping out?

Donald Charron

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Well, it's certainly a pressure point. And I would say, rising cost of workers is everywhere in the world. I wouldn't single out China per se, I think, getting the talent we need and the cost of that talent is certainly going to be a pressure point on some of these cost categories -- well really many of the cost categories and the cost structure. Of course, for us getting that talent is critical. We feel like we're in good shape there. But we obviously have strategic ambitions that are going to require us to continue to add talent to our company, and then so will have that burden, that pressure point in terms of managing our cost structure going forward. But from a -- for our management team, we feel like as we grow, we need to look for those opportunities for leverage, leverage our cost structure, leverage our SG&A for example. When I go back 4-plus years ago when we were first spun as a public company, we added in all those public company costs, and we were relatively small company, little over $800 million in sales roughly run rate. We are a bigger company today in terms of our sales run rate, and will be hopefully a bigger company in the future, and we expect to leverage that cost structure as we grow and that's something that's on the minds of us as management to really find ways to make those productivity gains happen.

Michael Morales

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Sure. And then lastly from you just on the capital location priorities. Obviously, you're active on the buyback. If I am doing my math correctly there should be about $17 million-or-so left on that. So can you just rank your capital allocation priority looking forward?

Donald Charron

Analyst · Walthausen & Co

Well, obviously, we were very active this last quarter. And as I stated in the last calls, we have this particular topic on every board meeting agenda capital allocation, capital allocation priorities to the extent that we find the acquisitions in the market at the right price that we think can really move our strategy forward. We are certainly placed in a priority there. We had a large priority on CapEx and if you noticed on our CapEx the last 3 quarters, we've actually been below appreciation with CapEx in the last 3 quarters. We expect that could tick up a bit here in the second half because we do have some new program wins that'll acquire capital to support them. But overall, CapEx has been lower than it's been, let's say, the last few fiscal years. And so some of that is a bit of a proxy to the organic growth that we would expect going forward because as we said in the past, the CapEx should approximate depreciation to support, let's say, a mid-single-digit kind of growth rate. And so that's subsiding a little bit, the requirements for CapEx, so we'll keep an eye on that. But I would say, acquisitions that help accelerate our strategy and as you stated, we still got room in the board-approved buybacks. So we'll balance those carefully as a long and as well as balancing it with paying down our debt, which we now have. So the Board will review that every quarter, we'll set those priorities and act accordingly, and I think, what you've seen in our allocation in the past, I don't see a lot of changes to the allocation in the future.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Richard Greenberg of Donald Smith & Co.

Richard Greenberg

Analyst · Donald Smith & Co

Don, just got to be -- as you say, there is this balance of capital allocation, and I guess, the concern would be, on GES. It looks like you -- from just looking at these numbers, you haven't filed your Q, but it looks like you took on about $24 million of goodwill and intangibles, which implies you paid a price in excess probably you're around 2 times book and 100% of revenues I think. And when you compare that versus your own stock, slight premium to book and 40% of revenues, and we know the history of most acquisitions, but acquisitions in this industry and what's happened to those kinds of intangible assets over time. So it seems to me you got to be really cautious when you make an acquisition like this relative to your own stock. What gives you that comfort level to pay that kind of price and how much more kind of those soft assets, which bother the haircut of people like us that you're willing to take on?

Donald Charron

Analyst · Donald Smith & Co

Well, I tell you that the GES acquisition, certainly stretched us in terms of our views for the same reasons that you just mentioned. I would say that, for an acquisition that would be closer to what we do, let's say, in our traditional EMS business, we just wouldn't pay that kind of money for an acquisition like that. But for our new platform strategy, the strategic ambitions, we have in this new area of business for us in automation test and measurement, we just thought like this was, a good asset for us to go after a good target to really launch this new platform strategy. And we feel like, we are a good combination with this business in terms of being able to scale it up relatively quickly with the business combination and the combination of our resources, synergies within the customer base, et cetera. So I -- look, I'm not going to tell you that these are easy decisions for us. So there is no doubt our teams put a lot of time and energy and effort into analyzing those very things that you described for those very reasons. So and that will be the same as we scrutinize acquisitions going forward.

Richard Greenberg

Analyst · Donald Smith & Co

Do you think that future acquisitions are going to be more in the line of this new kind of business, which does require these higher multiples paid or would it be more in your traditional business?

Donald Charron

Analyst · Donald Smith & Co

The traditional EMS business acquisitions, that we've looked at are a bit overpriced, frankly, in our view. And again, we just couldn't really justify paying higher multiples for those acquisitions, even if we had a really good synergy list. We have a hard time, justifying higher multiples for businesses that are just like our traditional EMS business and that are commanding a higher, let's say, multiple or multiples than we ourselves have in the market as a public company. The areas that we do like if you go back to 2016, the acquisitions we did in the medical DCMS space, we like those acquisitions. It's may be half a lane over or a full lane over from traditional EMS, but we like those businesses. We think that there is an opportunity to command a margin, maybe slightly higher than our average. And so those will continue to be a priority. In terms of our new platform strategy and automation test and measurement here, I think, we want to make sure, we put all of our efforts on the integration of GES. We want to make sure, we hit full benefit out of what we've acquired there. So when we do a bolt-on or tuck-in acquisition that would further develop our new platform strategy, yes, we'll certainly look at those, but we like what we have got in the GES acquisition. Hardware -- it's hardware business, service business and a software business, all contained within the GES entities that we acquired on so we got a lot of work to do here. We think there is a lot of things we can do to bring out the synergies and to really grow this asset.

Richard Greenberg

Analyst · Donald Smith & Co

Okay, okay. Just it rings kind of familiar to -- we've like Celestica was talking about the acquisition they made, and I don't really know the business as well. But also mobility and semi-equipment -- now the semi-equipment business is kind of peaky. So I have just a question, did you guys kind of may be mistimed the cycle a little bit and overpaid just like it seems to me Celestica may overpaid for their acquisition?

Donald Charron

Analyst · Donald Smith & Co

Well, hard to time the cycle, but you are right. Both semi and smart mobile device, those are definitely somewhere in a downward cycle. I don't know the cycles are as predictable maybe or as long as deep as they have been in years passed, but we really were looking long term on this, Richard. This was a launching pad for us that we thought had -- I mean, it's hard to just find a perfect target, but we really liked what we saw in GES. Again, the hardware, software service aspects all being in place. We spent a lot of money in these areas ourselves in our own factories and that's one of those synergies that really helped build the business case for us as well, which we want to get at medium- to longer-term. But we're really looking at the long-term shareholder value creation here and yes, if you look at it on paper, you would say we bought it in the low season and maybe in a downward cycle. But I don't think we overpaid for it. I think we paid a fair value for it and I think it's up to us now as management to make this successful, get the true synergies out of it, and scale up the business, and generate profitable growth for our company.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Charron for any further remarks.

Donald Charron

Analyst · G. Research

Thank you, Josh. That brings us to the end of today's call. We appreciate your interest and look forward to speaking with you on our next call. Thank you, and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

At this time, listeners, you may simply hang up to disconnect from the call. Thank you, and have a nice day.