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Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 30, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. Thank you for attending today's KBR's Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Megan, and I'll be your moderator today [Operator Instructions] I would now like to pass the conference over to Jamie DuBray, VP of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Jamie DuBray

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to KBR's Third Quarter Fiscal 2025 Earnings Call. Joining me are Stuart Bradie, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mark Sopp, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Stuart and Mark will provide highlights from the quarter and then open the call for your questions. Today's earnings presentation is available on the Investors section of our website at kbr.com. This discussion includes forward-looking statements reflecting KBR's views about future events and their potential impact on performance as outlined on Slide 2. These matters involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ significantly from these forward-looking statements as discussed in our most recent Form 10-K available on our website. This discussion also includes non-GAAP financial measures that the company believes to be useful metrics for investors. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the nearest GAAP measure is included at the end of our earnings presentation. I will now turn the call over to Stuart.

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Thanks, Jamie, and good morning, everyone. I will pick up on Slide 4. As with all meetings at KBR, we begin today with a brief Zero Harm moment. Last week, we published our 2024 sustainability report, and I would like to highlight several key achievements from this most recent publication. We are pleased to report an industry-leading health, safety security incident rate and over 93% zero harm days. Additionally, 38% of KBR's fiscal 2024 revenue equivalent to $2.9 billion was allocated towards sustainability initiatives, marking an increase from the $2.5 billion in the previous year. Furthermore, KBR has established and approved science-based near-term targets that align with our net zero objectives. These accomplishments distinguish KBR within our industry. For the third consecutive year, we have been awarded MSCI's top AAA rating, and we recently received a B- rating from ISS, ESG Corporate. This is a recognized prime rating and at the top of our peer group. These highlights represent only a portion of our progress, and I encourage you to review the full sustainability report, which is available on our website via the QR code. Now on to Slide 5. Let me start today with revenue. Revenue was flat in the quarter year-on-year and up 5% year-to-date from the prior year. While we are really encouraged by a strong book-to-bill of 1.4x for the quarter, this was back-end weighted with little conversion to revenue in Q3. In MTS, as you know, we have significant contracts awarded to us, which are still under protest and conversion remains uncertain with the government shutdown environment. In STS, we faced several headwinds in the first half of the year. LNG project development was delayed by prior administration decisions, oversupply in petrochemicals led to multiple project cancellations and delays. Middle East unrest caused temporary pauses…

Mark Sopp

Analyst

Thank you, Stuart, and good morning, everyone. I'll pick up on Slide 9 and our Q3 performance highlights. Revenues in the quarter, as you heard from Stuart, were $1.9 billion, flat versus the prior year and up 5% on a year-to-date basis for the reasons Stuart covered earlier. Adjusted EBITDA was quite healthy at $240 million, up 10%, with margins at 12.4%, an increase of over 100 basis points versus the prior year. This contribution came from both segments with STS particularly strong. Adjusted EPS was $1.02 in the quarter, up 21%, driven by the growth in adjusted EBITDA performance as well as the benefits from buybacks we've made over the last year. Year-to-date, operating cash flow was $506 million, an increase of 24% from the prior year and a conversion rate of more than 130% against net income. This bumped up quite a bit in Q3. As Stuart mentioned earlier, strong cash performance was attributable to successful DSO reduction measures in both segments. I'll also add, we received about $80 million in investing cash flows from the turnover of private equity partners in our Brown & Root Industrial Services joint venture. While it's certainly good to add this to our treasury at this time, we do expect to fund new investments in this space with our new partner in the relatively short term. This will further expand our reach into the OpEx side of the STS business, which is perfectly aligned with our strategy of increasing exposure to recurring revenue streams in that area. Now I'll move on to Slide 10 and our segment performance. Starting with MTS, revenues of $1.4 billion were flat versus the prior year. Breaking that down by business unit, Defense and Intelligence generated growth of 14% with contribution from the international side and also…

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Thank you very much, Mark. Before the key takeaways, I will give you an update on the spin-off, which was previously announced on September 24. We are spinning off our Mission Technologies segment, which I will refer to as SpinCo for now until a new name is announced later. New KBR will comprise the Sustainable Technology Solutions business. Our intent is to pursue this as a tax-free spin and upon completion of which KBR and its shareholders will benefit from ownership in 2 pure-play public companies with enhanced strategic focus, operational independence and financial flexibility. Of course, the transaction will be subject to final approval by KBR's Board of Directors and other customary conditions. The expected benefits of the spin-off include enhanced strategic and management focus, organizational agility and streamlined decision-making, increased end market focus, prioritized commercial resources and sharpened go-to-market approach, greater capital allocation flexibility to support strategic imperatives, including potential future M&A transactions directed at each separate business. And there will be distinct and compelling investment profiles for each. Now on to Slide 14 and a status update. The spin-off will take place in 3 phases. Number one, advanced preparation; number two, public filing and execution; and number three, post distribution. KBR is targeting completion of the spin-off by mid- to late 2026. And in order to meet this date, we are broadly aiming for the time line shown. Of course, schedules are subject to change, and we'll be communicating with our investment community along the way as things progress. Today, spin-off preparations are advancing according to plan. Presently, we are conducting audits of historical carved-out financial statements and preparation of the pro forma financials, while also laying the groundwork for the Form 10. Additionally, recruitment processes for the CEO and CFO positions for SpinCo are progressing alongside…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question will go to the line of Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup.

Andrew Kaplowitz

Analyst

Stuart or Mark, can you give more color into how you're thinking initially about STS going into '26? I know you mentioned you have to kind of replace these energy transition type projects and you're doing that. And obviously, you have continued good EBITDA performance. I think you said, Stuart, that you think STS should remain in your growth algorithm. But do you have visibility to still grow that business in that sort of 11% to 15% range in '26? And where does that come from at this point?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Thanks, Andy. Good question and not unexpected given the revenue performance during the course of the year for the matters we discussed in the prepared remarks. The book-to-bill in Q3 and the expected book-to-bill in Q4 with, as Mark said, the modest revenue pickup between Q3 and Q4 gives us pretty good insight, and I think good momentum heading into 2026. We are going through our budget cycle right now. In fact, as we head towards the end of the year, and we've got good line of sight for continued momentum in that business aligned with our stated 2027 CAGRs, which if you work that backwards from '23 to '27, we need double-digit growth in STS, and we're still committing and aligned with that target.

Andrew Kaplowitz

Analyst

Got it. And then maybe just a similar question in the outlook for MTS. Obviously, you mentioned Defense & Intel up 14%, which is offsetting some of the other pieces of the business. As I think about sort of going into '26, can you keep up that kind of strength in that business along with international and it helps offset if readiness and sustainment, for instance, or NASA is still weaker? How do you think about the interplay of the different pieces of the business, Stuart?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Yes. Again, very good question. And as you rightly state, it is an interplay. There's pressure on the science and space budgets because of what's happening around NASA. But of course, there's increased spending, and we've covered off how we sit on programs like Golden Dome, just where we think increased spending in Space Force and sort of the connected battlefield and what we're doing sort of being able to enhance command and control decisions with our software development sort of technology, et cetera. So very well placed in the Defense & Intel part of the portfolio. And I would say that R&S with a number of things that we have secured that are under protest is well positioned coming off a reasonably low base with the reduction in the EUCOM work this year is well positioned to grow into next year. And when you combine that with what's happening in international in the U.K., they've come through the Defense review and they're going through the process in November, maybe into early December on what you would call appropriations, but just how they're going to spend their money, and we've done the analysis of where we think those priority spends are and our capability set in Frazer-Nash and our Defense business in the U.K. is very well positioned to really sort of react to that. And as we've said many times, our Australia business continues to outperform, growing double digits. So when you lay that all out and you put the puts and takes and you think about delays with this continued environment for protests that delay awards and things like that, we're pretty confident that we can actually achieve the sort of growth that we stated in the ranges that we've put out for that business in the past. And it may well be -- we probably at the lower end of that as we go into next year, but those decisions have not been made yet. But certainly, we are progressing towards that sort of outcome, and we're confident we can continue to grow the business coming out of the shutdown.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will go to the line of Augie Smith with D.A. Davidson.

Augie Smith

Analyst

This is Augie Smith on for Brent Thielman. So just first, you guys touched on it briefly, but could you provide a little bit more in-depth on your thoughts in regards to NASA exposure and proposed budget cuts, specifically in consideration of the impact for MTS the rest of this year and then potentially into 2026.

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

For the rest of this year, it was very little impact, particularly under the shutdown environment where things just continue as is. We do have one particular contract that's deemed nonessential, but it's not material to our numbers. So I'm not expecting too much change for the rest of this year. As we head into next year, we've got an unclear picture, I would say, Mark, as we've got the presidential push for a reduction in the science area. We've got congressional budgets holding at the current level and where that all sit and shakes out is difficult to assess. I would say that in the NASA environment, it's the lower margin piece of our work. So from the bottom line perspective, it's probably less material. In terms of looking forward, we've got about less than 25% of our portfolio, maybe even less exposed to the science area. And I think there's going to be increased investment in the human space performance piece of that as we look at Artemis 3 going back to the moon and Artemis 4, whether that's across what we're doing in human health performance or what we're doing in the broader Johnson and the Space program, et cetera. So there'll be some puts and takes. And I guess, more color, we'll be able to describe more color on that in year-end earnings. But certainly through the course of this year, I don't expect too much disruption. And certainly, I stick by my comments I made in my earlier remarks about the overall portfolio and the puts and takes allowing us to grow overall in line with our stated targets.

Augie Smith

Analyst

Okay. And then if I could just squeeze one more in. Within STS, could you guys touch on how active you guys see opportunities in LNG, if you have any advanced discussions there or just what you're seeing with potential other LNG terminal projects moving forward?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Yes. I'll touch on a few there. I mean LNG is a really sort of topic at the moment, as you can expect. I'll start with Plaquemines. I mean, our work continues to progress well. As we stated before, we see equity and earnings running all the way through at the sort of current levels through '26 and into early '27. In fact, VG themselves have announced that they've got approval to bring in gas to the second block. So Phase 2, if you like, of Plaquemines. But that's not the -- really it's not a hard stop for us because we've got a lot of completions and commissioning and work to do through the course of this year and early into '27. So that's aligned with our previous statements. On Lake Charles, I'll take you back to the -- there's been some press statements about certainly the delay in FID decisions into Q1 next year. But some press had said that was related to increased cost. That is not correct. They had said very clearly in the Q2 call, and I can confirm that the EPC pricing and overall cost, including the impact of tariffs is bang on expectation, and that has not changed. So in terms of ET, and I think you should really listen into their call, which I believe is next week, November 5, and they will give you an update of their thinking and the current progress on the project. So -- that's where that sits. We announced that we had been awarded the front-end design for Abadi, which is a very, very large project in Indonesia, and that work has kicked off. And we continue to do work supporting Oman LNG. We're doing the PMC work in Ruwais LNG in Abu Dhabi. And we've got a number of opportunities that we're looking at in the U.S. in addition to Lake Charles and Plaquemines. So it's a very active global market for KBR and one we're bullish on.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will go to the line of Michael Dudas with Vertical Research Partners.

Michael Dudas

Analyst

First, maybe following on the STS business, maybe, Stuart, away from LNG, when you talk about that $5 billion in pipeline that's visible and some really strong activity maybe for the end of this year into next. What are some of the other areas that are bringing a focus given some of the dynamics and shifts in what client desires are because of green and affordability and how that can play into visibility, maybe especially in some of your key ammonia and also maybe even an update on the Mura opportunities and ramp-ups.

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Yes, quite right. Michael, we were quite specific to exclude LNG from that just because of the scale, just to show you the progress we're making outside of LNG in the business. So I picked up on. Increasing that sort of backlog by the opportunity set by 20%, I think, is indicative as was the book-to-bill in the quarter. And we expect that book-to-bill and that to progress similarly in Q4. So what are we seeing? We're seeing increased activity, as we said, across the Middle East, and we had a number of wins I touched on, whether it be in Kuwait or Iraq. And we see those national agendas being pushed hard, and we're very well placed to take advantage of those. And I expect more announcements in those arenas to come forward over the course of the next couple of quarters. So I think international expansion and following the money around national agendas is key, and we'll continue to do that. And that's more about energy security as a thematic. When I look across -- we talked a little bit about LNG, of course, which is very positive. Ammonia continues to be a very active market for us, and we've got a number of sort of near and medium-term pursuits, and we expect that to continue. And as you rightly state, that's more around traditional ammonia as it pertains to fertilizers rather than hydrogen. I think that's also been pushed to the right a bit as the affordability and economics have come into play. But that continues to be a very attractive market for us. And on Mura, the current situation is we continue to progress similar to next quarter, replacing particularly valves that ultimately have sort of eroded, if you like, under the high-pressure, high-temperature environment but…

Michael Dudas

Analyst

Excellent. And maybe just a quick follow-up. When you cite the protest levels, again, I know difficult to predict, but going into like when do you get the sense of the cadence? Is there certain projects further along or have to get started and how that could break to maybe get that conversion to show up in '26 or in a better level?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Yes. I think we certainly -- I think we're all aware that the government shutdown precludes those protests being resolved and the award being worked. Even the protest that has been resolved, we can't get them to give us a start work order because there's -- we're not able to do that under this environment. So there will be pickups, the PPS2, prepositioned stock in Europe that has come out of protest in our favor will add about $160 million or so to backlog, and we'll book that once we get the work order and as we look forward, the confidential or classified opportunity into PACOM, we expect if the government does come out of shutdown to that to be awarded before or the protest to be resolved before the end of the year. It's likely that the big piece of work in Iraq will be resolved in Q1. So if that does happen, and there's a question mark over that just on timing and how quickly it gets to the top of the priority list to resolve these matters, it will have a significant upside into next year. But if it delays, obviously, the longer it delays, the less of the impact. But we should be able to give you a very much clearer picture at year-end. But it's a good fact pattern. It's $3 billion under protest that we've won and resolution of that would certainly give strong momentum in the STS segment going into '26 and into '27 for that matter.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will go to the line of Tobey Sommer with Truist.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Could you tell us if you've -- since announcing the spin, received any interest from outside parties in acquiring either of the businesses?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Tobey, you know I can't answer that question. I'm sorry. I cannot answer that question. The thing that we have announced is going well in terms of under Mark's tutelage is progressing as expected and on track. It is typical, I would say, that once you announce such things that you do get inbounds, but we are not at liberty to discuss them in any way, shape or form, I'm sorry.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Okay. Have you given any more thought to the appropriate comparables for valuation purposes versus the stand-alone businesses in terms of existing public companies that trade at multiples that you think are matched more businesses?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Yes. So when I look at MTS, I think the market, we've got -- well, let me put it this way. We have an amazing opportunity to rebrand that business, shake off perceptions of the past. There's still -- when I talk to people even in Wall Street that perhaps don't know us so well, they still think of, I guess, [ Red ] KBR back in history and don't understand the transformative journey we've been on to position the company in the areas of D&I and science and space and internationally as well as sort of digitalize our platform around readiness and sustainment. So I think there's an amazing opportunity to relaunch the image of the company and tell the story as it is today, not what it was yesterday. So we're quite excited about that. I mean the margin of the business, I mean, it's progressively grown over time, and we expect that to continue as part of the investment thesis as we go forward. And so I mean, you know the typical peers in the government services realm. I don't have to go over those. But we're certainly a more quality business than people are probably appreciating today. So there's an amazing opportunity, and we're very excited about that opportunity to sort of reinvigorate the market around what will be a new brand and a compelling story of an investment thesis that sits around it. And we're working hard on the strategy to support that for Investor Day right now. And we just had a session on it this week, in fact, and it was -- yes, you could tell the room was very upbeat. So that was good. On the sustainable tech side, it's a very similar story. And we've talked about this last time around.…

Mark Sopp

Analyst

I'll just add, Tobey, since the doors open a little bit here, Stuart mentioned the branding opportunity and the perception change is possible through this transaction. We view that as applying to both STS and MTS, but also, that's more than that, a lot has changed in the world this year, and we're using this opportunity to make both of our businesses better in the months ahead, leading up to what will be 2 Investor Days, hopefully in the spring. We're talking about on the MTS side, in particular, we've got rich history in Houston. We'll keep quite a bit of operations there. We serve Johnson there that kind of started all the way back when, but we're going to really increase our Washington presence and our intended impact relative to our customers there. That's a mixture of the Pentagon, of course, and the executive branch. And so we're really going to increase our resourcing there and our focus, not only in branding, but really articulating the story of how we can help customers be more successful in the changing environment that they're facing. And so a lot of investment is going to go into our impact for business development from an engagement with customer perspective. And so we're building that into the plan. And there are similar improvements that are going to be built into the STS story as well. So we're excited to not only rebrand, if you will, but to tell a different story when it's our time to do so out there in a few months.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will go to the line of Mariana Perez Mora with Bank of America.

Mariana Perez Mora

Analyst

So first, I'd like to dig a little bit deeper on STS. And I was surprised about the margins when you exclude the contribution from the unconsolidated equity in earnings. It was low double digits versus mid-teens range that you usually have. Like how should we think about those margins going forward?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

I think it's -- Mariana, good question. It's timing. Mark did talk in his prepared remarks that in this particular quarter, we saw a lot of proprietary equipment come through the revenue line. And as we've discussed previously, the way we sell technology is we sell the license fee, the basic engineering and then the proprietary equipment and the combined overall margins are in line with our typical expectations, but the lower margin piece of that is the proprietary equipment, and there was more that came through in the quarter. And we've seen that in the past. We've talked about that to the market in previous quarters where we've seen margins double up or double down as a consequence. So some quarters, we get very high margins as a consequence of having more of the licensing. But so it's a blended margin over time. So again, nothing sinister there. That is just the timing, but the strength of the portfolio overall delivered, I guess, very attractive margins overall for STS, and we talked about the contribution from Plaquemines, but the contribution from Brown & Root was up markedly as well, and that comes through the equity and lines, which is a sustaining piece of our portfolio. So I think it's -- yes, that's the answer.

Mariana Perez Mora

Analyst

So it's still the mid-teens is sustainable near term or like midterm target?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

That [indiscernible] it's just timing...

Mariana Perez Mora

Analyst

And then you mentioned that you expected Plaquemines to continue to contribute until like getting into '27. Is this new $70 million a quarter run rate, the new normal? Or it's more like average year-to-date?

Mark Sopp

Analyst

Yes, I also addressed that in my remarks. So we did have a spike in Q3 due to milestone progression, which we're quite proud of and pleased and the customer happy on that front. But if you go back to the first half of this year and you take an average of those 2 quarters, that is the quarterly pace that we expect by and large in 2026 with some spillover into '27. We'll probably have some volatility with that as milestones as they time as often does in this type of business. But for the year, take that pace as a run rate as a good proxy for now.

Mariana Perez Mora

Analyst

Right. How should we think about those onetimes or achieving those milestones and recognizing them in the P&L versus the cash flow impact?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

They're very well connected to cash. This is -- and we will not extract cash out of the joint venture ahead. And so I think as we realize the profit, we will extract the cash and the customer is paying as well in that regard. So cash conversion should be similar for next year, if that's the question.

Mariana Perez Mora

Analyst

Great. And then on STS backlog, you guys have been executing on the backlog, and it has come down from like the $4 billion to $5 billion range to like now like in the, I don't know, high 3s. How should we think about the timing on the $5 billion that you mentioned in the prepared remarks that you have in the bid pipeline and how that should impact backlog?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Yes. Near term is over the next 6 to 8 months. It's not like the government procurement pipeline, you can see for quite a ways off, and you can see it coming down the funnel. Obviously, STS is a very different market. And so that's why we talk about near-term backlog. If we looked at long-term backlog, the number would be so big that you wouldn't believe it and rightfully so because some of these projects go away or whatever. So it's far better that we concentrate on what's real. And what's real for us is that sort of $5 billion or so in near-term backlog, which is 6 to 8 months. And as I said before, that excludes things like Lake Charles and those sort of big one-timers that would obviously distort the picture.

Mariana Perez Mora

Analyst

Great. And last one, switching gears a little bit to Mission Technologies and national security. Could you give us -- would you mind giving us some color on how are things going in Australia and the U.K. as you -- because you mentioned like international strength, how is the pipeline of opportunities there? And if they are like moving in line with the speed -- expected speed?

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Yes. Very good question. I don't think we spent enough time talking about our international portfolio. It continues to perform in the aggregate in the mid-teens in terms of margin. So it's very attractive. Talk about Australia first, they came through the defense review probably 18 months ago. They are growing nicely. I think we talked last quarter about them going up double digits. Their pipeline remains really strong. They're very well positioned. They're very well thought of as well. Our brand recognition there is really, really good. We're very much part of the fabric of the Australian defense market and the Australian infrastructure and STS market for that matter. So we continue to see good potential upside in the Australian market, and that's pretty clear, and we've been very consistent on that Mark. Any more on Australia?

Mark Sopp

Analyst

That's the fastest-growing part of the business. It's a little more than 10% sequentially. And -- well, year-over-year, actually, now they see that and sequentially for that matter. So Nick and the team are doing a fabulous job there with the military customer. You asked about the U.K. We talked about changes in government, changes in policy, a little bit slower in that market. Team is doing the best they can with the opportunities they have. And so they're trying to up the bids and -- they have similar sort of conversion issues that we've had in the States, but we're certainly optimistic for the longer term on that being a strong contributor at better margins than the U.S. for sure. So it's a very important market for us to continue to do well. And I think there's -- as Europe continues or starts to spend more discretionary in the defense sector, we'll start to really think about other opportunities in that broader market beyond U.K. as very carefully and selectively, but certainly, that's the right area for spend for the next several years. And so we have a developing strategy to tap that as best we can.

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Yes. And we've got -- just to give you some sort of near-term benchmarks again sequentially, that's up double digits. The U.K., Europe piece is doing extremely well sequentially now that the dust has settled in the way the U.K. defense has come through. So very optimistic about the increasing demand for our services in that environment.

Operator

Operator

Our last question goes to the line of Sangita Jain with KeyBanc Capital Markets. With no response, I will close the line. We have no further questions, apologies. Go ahead, Stuart, with your closing remarks.

Stuart Bradie

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Megan. So in closing, very excited about the future. We talked quite -- we're quite animated about the excitement around the strategic thesis for both businesses and the opportunity it presents. I think the book-to-bill that we've posted this quarter and the bottom line metrics underpin where our focus is, and that's certainly coming through in the results. Cash being a standout, which is very timely as we discussed. And we do remain very excited about the path for both companies, both New KBR and SpinCo, and we're confident in our ability to continue creating value for our shareholders as we progress towards executing the spin. So thank you very much for your time today, and I look forward to talking to you one-on-one or whatever after the call. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That concludes today's earnings conference call. Thank you for your participation, and enjoy the rest of your day.