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Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 20, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day everyone and welcome to the KBR Inc Fourth Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded. As a reminder, your lines will be in a listen-only mode for the duration of the call. There will be a question-and-answer session immediately following prepared remarks. You will receive instructions at this time. For opening remarks and introductions, I would now like to turn the call over to Vice President of Investor Relations Alison Vasquez. Please go ahead ma'am.

Alison Vasquez

Management

Good morning and thank you for attending KBR's fourth quarter and fiscal 2019 earnings call. Joining us today are Stuart Bradie, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mark Sopp, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Stuart and Mark will discuss highlights from the year, the market outlook, and our financial results and our 2020 earnings and cash flow guidance. After these remarks, we will open the call for questions. Today's earnings presentation is available on the Investors section of our website at kbr.com. I would like to remind the audience that this discussion may include forward-looking statements, reflecting KBR's views about future events and their potential impact on performance as outlined on Slide 2. These matters involve risks and uncertainties that could impact operations and financial results and cause our actual results to differ significantly from our forward-looking statements. These risks are discussed in our most recent 10-K available on our website. I'll now turn the call over to Stuart.

Stuart Bradie

Management

Thanks, Alison. I will start on Slide 4. As many of you know, I normally start off by talking about our safety performance which is by the way in 2019 was again stellar, but today we want to broaden this a little. At our Investor Day in May of 2019, I began the session by highlighting One Ocean, KBR's social outreach program, really focused on engaging with local skill children on the use and the impact of single use plastics. This was designed to give investors a real and tangible example of our sustainability efforts that are making positive difference. At KBR, we believe that not only in the way that we behave as a good corporate citizen, but also through the work that we do that KBR has a truly differentiated sustainability opportunity. And so going forward, our desire is to share and highlight more to our stakeholders in this area and on to Slide 5. So in keeping with that message, we have broadened Zero Harm and Courage to Care beyond safety, as we believe it also captures our culture around sustainability. To be clear, we believe that there is a symbiotic relationship between good business and good sustainability performance. Now looking at this slide, you will see that health safety and security remain a key component of a sustainability platform as we will not compromise on looking after our people, but we have also identified a number of social and environmental focus areas for KBR, and we will present on a different one each time, really to try and give you real tangible things that we are doing as a company that are making a positive difference. As we embarked on bringing this together and identifying and collecting all the things we do across KBR, the level…

Mark Sopp

Management

Great, thank you Stewart. I will pick it up on Slide 13 which summarizes the fiscal 2019 results. Overall, as you've heard from Stuart, the year progressed and concluded largely as expected, but strong top line growth, stable margins within our targeted ranges and other items like interest and taxes playing out as we guided. First, it's great to see how each of our segments contributed to grow during the year with Government Solutions providing the initial list off in the first half and technology and energy providing the thrust in the second half. As Stuart said and worth repeating, each segment generated double digit growth in the year and achieved its targeted margins. The growth reflects winning mostly cost reimbursable, low risk professional services across our GS and ES segments and low risk, high margin technology sales in our TS segment. We think that speaks well to our cost competitiveness, the strength of our intellectual property and the effectiveness of our business development organizations. Another aspect of the year which manifested in business capture and predictable margins, and as Stewart just alluded to, was project performance by the performance translated to a high re-compete and new business win rate, which reflects strong customer confidence in our ability to deliver. Execution also enabled us to profitably complete a number of projects, pick this being one of them within previous estimates and with no surprises along the way. Interest expense was up from 2018 as we had expected on higher debt levels. But we've recently taken action to reduce that meaningfully in 2020, which I'll cover here in a bit. As we guided throughout the year, we delivered some tax benefits in the fourth quarter, mostly comprised of R&D tax credits. This benefited the provision accordingly in 2019 and will translate…

Stuart Bradie

Management

Thanks, Mark, and I'll take you to Slide 19 on growth and value. So I'll leave you with some key summary takeaway so starting at 12 o'clock. From an ESG or sustainability perspective, we believe KBR is differentiated and we are leaning forward as we progress a sustainability agenda through 2020 and beyond. We are well placed, very well placed in our chosen markets. We have low concentration risk and our backlog is attractive in its duration and its commercial profile. This underpins the delivery of sustainable growth and achieving our 2022 targets. The cash conversion profile of our book of business is delivering excellent results and will continue to generate strong free cash flow, which of course, leads to greater capital deployment flexibility. In summary, as is my norm I will close by saying, it is indeed a great time to be part of KBR. Thank you and I'll now hand the call back to the operator who will open up for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The question-and-answer session will be conducted electronically. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Sean Eastman with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is [Alex] on for Sean. I just wanted to touch on the Energy Solutions margins, which came in below our expectations. I'm just wondering, if you can provide more color on the quarter? And where do you expect this to trend throughout 2020 relative to the mid-single-digit guide given the Investor Day?

Stuart Bradie

Management

I mean, in terms of going forward, we -- our expectation is to be within that guidance in terms of mid-single-digit. So, no change there, whatsoever.

Mark Sopp

Management

In terms of the fourth quarter, Alex, this is Mark. We are wrapping up on some new projects. We're being conservative and our bookings positions there. And in addition to that, we have one program that we are exiting that we've disclosed before. And in the Americas region, that did have some exit costs associated with it that diluted the margins a little bit in the fourth quarter, but that should be done.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Very helpful. And then, we were encouraged with the LOGCAP news earlier this month with the transition date set for March 2nd. I'm just wondering since the date to file appeal has passed, is there any update on that? And is the transition time period still expected for around 6 months for a September timeframe?

Stuart Bradie

Management

Yes, I mean, no real update on the appeals process. We've not had, as you have not, I mean, the award gets -- the court will come through the end of February and there will be a small window for others to appeal between that and I guess the 2nd of March. But they would have to move pretty quickly, you would think. The Army could also choose, whether there's appeal or not just to progress with the transition. In terms of the transition itself, again, our guide has been quite conservative because it's unclear us to yet as to when these task orders will come through and what the transition would look like. I mean, the expectation is that, it is perhaps a little bit easier to transition. I mean, you call being an obvious one considering where the incumbent there. We'll move a little bit quicker, maybe not to call, we'll move a little bit quicker and maybe it will be phased in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in truth, and that's why we guided conservative. We don't know and as we find that more, we'll give you more color.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Jamie Cooke with Credit Suisse.

Jamie Cooke

Analyst

I guess, first question, on the flip side, on margins, the government margin, solutions margins came in a little better than expectations and I think Mark a pretty nice high for you guys relative to history. So, wondering if there was anything in there? And if we can look at fourth quarters, is sort of a higher run rated as we move forward given the mix and portfolio there? And then my second question just relates to ICTUS, any update on the arbitration timing of any resolution? And then my last question, I guess, if we back out Freeport or LOGCAP, how should we think about your book-to-bill for 2020 or your capability to grow backlogs?

Mark Sopp

Management

Okay, Jamie. It's Mark here. These Government Solutions margins are expected to be in their targets for 2020, that's upper single digits and you know all the reasons for that background. We did have a healthy spike in the fourth quarter, primarily from the private security payment that we received in the fourth quarter. We had a receivable position or a chunk of it that we had not accrued for the interest, which came in, in a low double digit number to the income side. So, that was a nice benefit to receive in part in the P&L, and which was really great was the cash collection there was just about 50 million. I said that ramped up the fourth quarter total cash flow. It's not recurring, but it's in the bank and as then or will be used in our deployment strategy. So, we're certainly pleased to have that wrapped up in our favor.

Stuart Bradie

Management

Yes. And I think what is says, the arbitration on the power station will proceed this year. We still expect a judgment later this year, Jamie, but there's no guarantee in terms of how long the court get to decide, but that is still the expectation and expectation our from previous quarter has not changed. And, yes, that's probably all I can say at the moment. And then in terms of book-to-bill going into 2020, I mean, I think our pipeline is as robust and as I said, we're seeing significant activity and bidding activity, particularly in the Government Solution side of the business. And, we expect book-to-bill to grow nicely through the course of the year. On the energy side of the house, I think bookings will be under pressured and I do think that we will do reasonably well given the mix of business that I discussed in terms of the OpEx and the sustaining capital piece of our business. But I think there will be a slowdown in big greenfield awards, but I think at the same time, there will be movement in certain markets, depending on viability of those developments. But, it's difficult to assess what those bookings will be through the year. But again, concerning, we're coming from a recently little base, we are very honest about that I think we'll do pretty well in a book-to-bill basis.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Steven Fisher with UBS.

Steven Fisher

Analyst

Just Mark on the 2020 cash flow guidance, can you help us with some of the reconciling items between earnings and cash flow? Just maybe a little bit surprise with the earnings being up 10% and cash flow being down at the midpoint, and I guess, if you back up at 50 million of the receivable collection, maybe it would have been flagged. So I guess earnings up but cash flow kind of flat.

Stuart Bradie

Management

Steven, so you take out the 50 million of cash collection we would have finished just here above 200 or a fiscal 2019 the mid points to 225. So there's some nice growth there from 19 to 20 on an apples to apples basis. Relative to the reconciliation, they've got quite a bit of from that income that is, you've got quite a bit of depreciation and amortization, but we also have a pension obligation of roughly 50 million. That is a subtraction to that, and all the rest is timing of working capital. So in an ongoing growing business, we do expect to have some investments, if you will, and receivables, but we are working very hard, as Stewart said in his prepared remarks on DSO reduction. Hopefully we can offset that and those are the main items.

Mark Sopp

Management

I mean, I think that the cash conversion I think it's well within our guide and right about 100%, actually.

Steven Fisher

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And it sounds like you guys have been pretty cautious with what you have included as soon as in the guidance. Just, I guess, I'm curious what are the most important things that still need to happen that haven't yet happened in order to hit the guidance that you have out there?

Stuart Bradie

Management

I think we've got to continue to execute well, that's a given. I think we have to not go ahead Steven on cost and not forgiven. But ultimately, Steve, we, we've taken a reasonably pretty good position on government side, both the LOGCAP V and others. In terms of we've moved LNG essentially it was really making very little dollars there in all of 20. So, I think ultimately that de-risk that elements. So, I think really for us going in with over 70% what secured, it's really an all around execution and making sure that we deliver on the margins and in our guidance. And if we do that and with a little bit of success on the programs that we're chasing, we should do, if we should well in 2020.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Michael Dudas with Vertical Research.

Michael Dudas

Analyst

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Stuart Bradie

Management

Okay. So, in my prepared remarks, I obviously talked about large programs that we're looking at an engineering sciences space and more recently in logistics over and above LOGCAP V, that's both and outside the U.S. And I mean, these are substantial programs that were named by named at the moment and will not do so, but they're in the billions of dollars. And as I said, if they come through as we expand in 2020, I mean, they would be highly disruptive in terms of that of how we would look going into the end of 2020 and into '21. So, quite an exciting time chasing those programs, and I think, ultimately, we're very, very strong company in that arena and we stand as good a chance as anyone to be successful. So, I think that's been a big move in terms of our opportunity pipeline coming through in the last couple of quarters. And as that start to mature, we're getting more and more excited about it. And I think it says the energy business. Yes -- sorry, I'll just continue there, if you don't mind. On the energy side, we are very heavily focused in key areas. The Middle East has got a lot of activity regardless of what we're seeing in terms of pressure and that continues to be a whole bed of opportunity. And again, we're very well positioned in Saudi for ongoing work. And in Kuwait, we're seeing quite a lot of activity there. And in Oman, again, outside of that, we're very well positioned in places like Azerbaijan that they continue to invest in the future. And regardless of the downward pressure on oil, they're looking at a long-term view for their economy. And I think we're -- again very well positioned to take advantage of our long standing position in that country and our commitment to building capability and local content within Azerbaijan. So, I do -- and certainly in Saudi. So I think that, ultimately, it's about choosing your fights. It's about picking where you're going to spend your big dollars. And I think if you do not wisely, as I said earlier on when Jamie asked the question, we can do well in a difficult energy market and particularly given where we are, but also I'm coming off the face that we're at.

Michael Dudas

Analyst

Yes. No need to rush that for sure. And in some of those opportunities, you think that we would see some visibility in new second half and the fourth quarter of this year that could come through at least the announcement of words of contracts?

Stuart Bradie

Management

Yes, for sure, definitely coming into the third quarter and again in the fourth quarter on some of these programs, so definitely though the course of 2020, yes.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs.

Jerry Revich

Analyst

Stuart, can you expand on your prepared remarks in terms of opportunities for you folks from rising prioritization for space investment? Do you have a sense for what the pipeline might look like on a multiyear basis? Any long-term planning that's been shared with you that you can talk about in terms of opportunities for KBR as a result of space coming up that prioritization scale?

Stuart Bradie

Management

Yes, good question. And I would just remind you that, and as I said, I think last quarter, it was interesting that as we progress through the year that the early part of the year logistics was the driving rules, and it was engineering and the latter part of the year was us the size and space. So we started to see an uptick in activity and award in the space sector already. We did announce that we had won our largest re-compete of the year at -- in NASA AIMS. So again, that will be as well for the future. We were very well positioned opposite NASA particularly in the elements of human space flight. If you can think about where the investment is going or what the political priorities are in NASA it's really to get people back to the moon and then almost to Mars. So, the optimist program initially, with a significant increase in NASA's budget, the largest, certainly, I've been aware of in recent times on the focus very much being on human space flight. There is a number of things that are coming through that we are feeling very excited about it. It's actually -- it's difficult to sort of put your finger exactly on one program. It comes to multifaceted and we've got a number of existing contract vehicles that allow us to grow without actually having to bid. And so, that's why we're excited about it. We've actually got some new programs and that we're tendering now. In fact, we had already tendered last year and so waiting for award in NASA, and we'll start to see them come through in 2020 as well. So, a lots of activity there across engineering, across I guess the whole human space flight piece and support of Artemis.

Jerry Revich

Analyst

And how should we think about, when that ultimately translates into incremental sales for you folks? So, it sounds like we're expecting award to come in '20 and then potentially the revenue accelerating into '21 as a result. Is that the way to think about it? So, take the budget plus one essentially for the money to actually be spent on these programs in terms of the opportunity set for KBR.

Stuart Bradie

Management

Yes. I mean, I think the budget still needs to get approved, but I do think this still supports it to do so. And -- but you never know, it's an election year. But, I think directionally, I think that is the way to think about it, assuming that budget does go forward. You think that we would sort of grow incrementally, a lot aligned with the increase in the budget. I mean, that's typically how it goes and we've done a little bit better than that. In recent times, it's growing actually faster than budget increases as we -- because I think we're actually focusing on an area for -- the spend is actually larger than the overall budget increase. And that it appears to be consistent with where the money is being spent into the future.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Tobey Sommer with SunTrust.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

I wanted to ask questions about the Government Solutions business in the margins, which were up nicely in the quarter. What is the margin profile of the pipeline in the bid activity? Is there any material change in sort of a contract pipe mix that would inform us about the margin trajectory going forward?

Stuart Bradie

Management

So, we don't know. We've been very consistent on our margin guidance. Its upper single digits, not some mix of what we're doing internationally and what Department of Defense or NASA for that matter all blended. And we expect that profile to remain consistent, not that sort of supports on long-range targets which again we reaffirm.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Do you have a perspective on the budget and appropriations for this year or whether we'll have one done in time or continue into a CR past the election?

Mark Sopp

Management

I think we've had, out of the 12 years, we've got a CR and 11 of them, I think is the statistics. So, we're getting used to that and we need to plan for that to recur again. I don't think we're smart enough to say whether or not the election helps or hurts that, but we'll be hopeful other timely budget. But if it doesn't happen, we'll navigate through the year as we've done often in the past. What's important as I think we've said a few times is there, bipartisan support for strong defense spending. The request in the president's budget submission is up modestly or defense, it's up a lot for NASA as Stewart just said. And we're confident that, a good chunk of that will get through ultimately even in the election year. It's just a question of when it gets turned on in the budgeting process. And you know, if the past informs the future, it's probably the CR and it goes into December and January and then we get going.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Michael Feniger with Bank of America.

Michael Feniger

Analyst

We're nearly two months into the New Year and you've kind of mentioned the coronavirus virus. I'm just curious, it sounds like you've incorporated it into your thinking for 2020. Just help me. you can kind of flush that out at least where exactly are you thinking that the hit would be, if there is the impact of you're seeing already to maybe a slower start in Q1 with bookings or on the revenue side with you facing some tougher comps maybe? I'm curious to how you guys are incorporating that type of risk right now into your 2020 though process?

Stuart Bradie

Management

Yes. So, the main activity for us in China in terms of direct activity as relates to a technology business, but we have stuff such as strong bookings quarter in Q4 and a lot of our activities as I said is also in North America with the sort of technologies have changed the, I guess, the geographical mix a little in the business. We're not insulated, but we're more insulated than we were. We do think that bookings in technology, as I said, will be a little bit slower in the first quarter as a result of that. And even sort of progressing to what is going there is going to be impacted us, is the fact. And so that's why, we said we'll have a, I guess, we expect that to catch up. That's why we had a 40-60 split first half, second half. In terms of the rest of the business as I said, I think for the best of our energy business, the work that we have in the in-flight projects keep us insulated from the I guess the downward pressure on LNG price and things like that. So, we're in good shape there, and I think the effect on the government side is not really there at all. And I think the other thing to keep in mind is that, we are going in with 70% of work secured and that doesn't include the small stuffs that don't know about it. So, I think 70% of our work is going into this year. I think we were at 60, mid 60s last year. So a little bit more of a conservative position given some of the volatility in the world, but I think it's, you know, we're in pretty good shape and I'm pretty confident of achieving of double digit growth.

Michael Feniger

Analyst

That's helpful. And just the dividend increase you guys announced just in context of how we should be thinking about M&A. There was a big asset out there, seems like companies took a very disciplined approach. So how should we view the announcements today with the dividends and the share repurchases in context of the M&A pipeline? Is there anything transformative out there? Are you guys kind of moving away from possibly those type of big transformative deals? Really focusing on what you guys have now with your platform and ability to compete as some of these bigger projects in government?

Stuart Bradie

Management

Yes, so you're quite right, we've got a very healthy pipeline. We've got double-digit organic growth. So, we don't have to rush to the finishing line and overpay or get deal fever. As you say, we're very disciplined in our approach. In terms of the way to think about the dividends and the share purchase authorization, I think you should be really excited about it. I think it's a clear signal and our belief of the future. It's a clear signal on the cost renovating qualities of the business, and I think it demonstrates our confidence and tomorrow. But it doesn't just start from our opportunity pipeline and M&A either. We've always said that, if we can find big strategic and accretive M&A that really sort of moves the needle or takes us into new areas or the new customer sets grow up the value chain. Then, we'll look at it very, very seriously, but we won't overpay. We won't get sucked into that, that death spiral. We're very clear about what we want and we're very clear that we're not going to let our desire to get there, runaway with common sense. And so far, I think we've demonstrated that you're quite right. We had a lot of disciplined around [Lummus] assets and we clearly we felt that that asset was less valuable than others. And we're going to continue outweigh, but there's quite a lot of activity today and the M&A space has seen a lot of deals and those particularly in the Government Solutions arena. And if we can identify something there that keeps us within sensible leverage ratio that is strategic, and we can get it for somebody in a way that's accretive, and, yes, we will certainly go after. So, I don't think you should be taking the dividend of the share repurchase authorization as a signal that we're not doing M&A. You should take it as a signal that was very confident about the cash generating qualities of the business. And we've always said our future and this target, our long range targets included the deployment of some of that cash.

Mark Sopp

Management

But the 2020 guide does not, so other than the capital we've already deployed for the refinancing. I mentioned earlier other than that, which we baked into lower interest expense. Going forward, we still have some excess cash after that transaction, we will generate more during the year. An important takeaway is, how that passes deployed is all upside relative to our performance. And the flexibility we have and that deployment have been expanded through the amendment I discussed earlier.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Brent Thielman with D.A. Davidson.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Great, thanks. I think most the questions have been asked, but maybe Mark just to clarifying the guidance. It sounds like you've factored in sort of a flat run rate of contributions from LOGCAP V this year until get more clarity. Is that right?

Mark Sopp

Management

We have been conservative. We have a slight uptick, but it is a conservative number particularly compared to some of the data that's out there from '18 -- sorry, '19, '18, '17 on contractor activities in those areas. But due to the uncertainty and timing, due to the transition period, we have been very conservative in the activity levels and the timing of taking over that larger scope of given we just on a perfect clarity from the customer record on one level old her.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Okay. And then the cost that you you're adjusting out associated with ICTUS creep higher in 2020 relative to what you had in 2019? What's driving that and how should we think about the cadence of that through the year?

Mark Sopp

Management

Good question, Brendan. So, half of that number is the exact same amount that we put in the '19 adjustments for the incremental interest between '18 and '19. So, we wanted flat line if you will, the P&L effect from '18 and not have that headwind or tailwind in '19. So we equalize '18 and '19 with that adjustment last year, which was about $0.06 I think. But the other half of this year is the legal costs that we will be incurring to pursue our arbitration and other adjudication processes associated with, both the client and the parties that were our previous subcontractors. So it's 50-50 incremental interest from '18 to '19, repeated again in '20 because the debt's still there from those investments if you will and then the other half being legal costs to hopefully bring home our recoveries either in '20 or beyond.

Stuart Bradie

Management

Yes. I mean, the recoveries, potential recoveries are substantial and certainty what's the investment and legal fees to do well there? And also if we feed you while under the recoveries will adjust that as well. I mean, that will be a good cash infusion to the business and I'm sure we'll get lost the help of what to do with that cash. But, but in terms of the P&L, I mean, any upside or downside, but any upside as well will be adjusted. Actually, you can see the true underlying performance of the business, there's nothing we'll think about this. We're just trying to be as clear as possible. We don't know the quantum not the timing. So, it doesn't really reflect the true underlying performance of the business. And as we start to recover, obviously that will offset and more than offset any investment in legal fees.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Gautam Khanna with Cowen.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst

So, I had a couple of questions. First -- hi, how are you guys doing? First question I had was, Mark, maybe could you quantify what the adjusted tax rate was in the fourth quarter, because it looked like it was $0.06 of the earnings. But I don't know if that's an accurate number because we don't have the adjusted tax rate.

Mark Sopp

Management

I'll pull that up. I can tell you the full year was 22%. I was just a tad below what we had expected, 23%, 24%. We ran higher than that during the year, but we were very clear. We expected these benefits to come in. We were working on the R&D tax credit all year and button that up in the fourth quarter. And so, that is a discrete item that has important benefits to the Company including cash that we'll bring in next year. In terms of the effective rate of the fourth, I was pretty much zero from the face of the P&L. I mean, there's a credit of one provision from the fourth quarter, so call it zero.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst

Okay, fair enough. So it is as it appears. And then why does it lies from the 25 to 27 next in 2020 from what you had anticipated this year to be, the prior year to be, which is 23% to 25%. Is there something about?

Mark Sopp

Management

Yes. Well, we have to be cautious in jurisdictional mix. And so, that's why there's a range there. But the main reason why there is after the R&D tax credit and uptake and uptake in the range is the effects of the Tax Reform Act of 2017. There are phase-in elements of that legislation that are mostly around making certain forms of compensation, not deductible. And so that creeps in on a per year basis and there are some headwinds there in 2020. There might going to be a modest piece after that in 2021 and then it should stabilize. I will point out that we are fortunately not subject to base erosion tax otherwise called BEAT. So, we navigated around that. So that's not hitting us, but it is that modest creep. And hopefully, we'll see jurisdictional benefits over the course of, you know, longer term that will, that will work out rate down and we're certainly working hard on that.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst

Okay. And then within the bid pipeline, it looks like on the government side it went up quite a bit from Q3 to Q4. And I'm just curious, reconciling that with your comments about Q1 being a bit softer in terms of bookings. Should we anticipate that is really Q2 and Q3 weighted or just a finer point on, just based on what sort of outstanding and what the adjudication timelines are of your customers. What would you I think?

Mark Sopp

Management

I think that's like a, typically there's a rush isn't there in Q3, This was the usual a bunch of stuff. But yes, Q2 I'd be weighted heavily into Q2 and Q3. I was extension of law cap five. Of course there's low top five comes through your eyes, you know, and yet actually they've moved forward with the transition. We'll, know more about the Tasco or does and those will get boots and overseen in Q1.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst

Got it, but that's not in the $9 billion figure presumably, right? That's ex LOGCAP?

Mark Sopp

Management

No, no, no. Right, that's ex LOGCAP, yes

Gautam Khanna

Analyst

And just to frame that 9 billion given it's a low re-compete years this year and next year, I presume that the vast majority of that is for new business. Is that right?

Mark Sopp

Management

Yes. So that really sort of underpins incremental organic growth on. So again, that's why I'm very excited about the future. I think we're with little re-compete rates, you know, strong execution performance and the fact that we've, I think we've called fantastic business development function. I really do. I think that we will -- we'll do well going into 2020 and beyond.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst

And then, one last one on that. So, it shows 110 pursuits over a 100 million and I presume that's speaking to the, to be into most of the pipeline, so positioning a pursuit approval, et cetera. But are there any needle moving individual contracts or pursuing any $500 million plus type arrangements? And then lastly, the Tyndall headwind that we've talked about, you know, the 150 million in 2019 that's non-recurring. What are the offsets that you might have to grow on top of that?

Mark Sopp

Management

Yes. I mean it's again -- so to answer your question on significant pursuits, the answer to that question is yes. We've -- I don't know, over a dozen I would say across the businesses are over 500 million or more. So I think we're feeling, again, pretty good about that. And in terms of the Tyndall headwinds, you're quite right. I mean, our top line growth is still good in GS and positive ex Tyndall and -- sorry, including Tyndall and ex-Tyndall, very much in line with the long range targets. In terms of offsets, it's interesting, as part of the NORTHCOM award, we do all the disaster relief work for the army. And so, we don't know about that today and but may be opportunities associated with disaster relief going forward and not just this year, but the current for the remainder of LOGCAP V. So, we'll again, we don't know about those, but it could be strong offset to that.

Stuart Bradie

Management

Other than the opportunities in the pipeline that we discussed, I think, there's clearly some upside a LOGCAP overall, as we undertake the new scope and if this the past performance for over contract is anywhere close to going forward, that would be positive relative to what we said our guidance on this.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Chad Dillard with Deutsche Bank.

Chad Dillard

Analyst

So just got one questions. And it actually pertains to energy solutions operations and maintenance business. Just I am hearing about just some maintenance activity getting pushed right all of it. I was just curious whether if you're seeing that? And does that potentially mean the earnings contribution from this business maybe a little bit more backend loaded for the year? And then just take more broadly, how much of a profit contributor was it in 2019? And how you're thinking about business on the whole for 2020?

Stuart Bradie

Management

Yes, I think in my prepared remarks, Chad, we're quite clear that sustaining capital piece of the business was about half of our EBITDA and energy solutions, and we expect not to continue. We're not seeing any slippage and any of what we're chasing on the maintenance side and that activity levels remain. And so we're feeling again quite good about that in terms of our chosen market. I don't know where you hearing about maintenance activity something to the right, but certainly we are now experiencing that. And again, I think the beauty of those sustaining capital programs are underpinned typically with long-term contracts. I think, as you've heard me say publicly that, our average relationship and our maintenance portfolios 14 years. So I'm very, very akin to, I guess, government contracts to really do cost plus longer term relationship based. And, once you establish yourself reasonably good from a cash perspective and price going to downward, but good. So, yes, we're feeling pretty good about that and I don't think its weighted one way or the other because of the nature of the contracts.

Mark Sopp

Management

And a big part of the question might be related to Brown & Root, that's a subset or a part of our role and it will, and that performed as expected in 2019 in equity and earnings. There were some other offsets in equity and earnings that we talked about during the year. That happened earlier that distorts that a little bit, but in terms of its contribution by itself, a good year and a pretty steady into 2020.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our final question from Andrew Kaplowitz with Citi.

Andy Lee

Analyst

This is Andy Lee for Andy Kaplowitz. Thanks for fit me in. I just have a one question on the ES segments. In terms of you've already talked about in your projects being pushed out to the right, but can you just talk a little bit about the terms and conditions of the projects and if you expect to see any improvements in 2020?

Stuart Bradie

Management

Yes, that has to be a balance answer. I'm afraid I think, as we're heading through '19 certainly, the competitive environments analogy was changing in the favor of getting better and more sensible times and I think that position still retains today. But we've seen it before and as the market gets softer, client behavior changes and maybe some of our competitors that do something silly. They've done it in the past and hopefully they won't do it in the future, but that's what happens and people will take advantage of that. So, I think today it's still a very attractive environment, but I think the softness continues for a long time and then people get desperate. We will not, but if people get desperate perhaps, that dynamic will change somewhat. So again, it's a bit of a balance view, but this is as honest as I can be.

Operator

Operator

I'd like to turn the conference back to Stuart Bradie for closing remarks.

Stuart Bradie

Management

Okay. So to close, 2019 was that -- it was a great year for KBR and really, in 2020, I think we're very well-positioned for continued double-digit growth and of course associated strong cash generation. I think the dividend up 25%, and we talked about this on the call. It's a clear indication of our confidence and our long-term sustainable growth and performance. And I'd just like to close by saying, we retained and remained confident of delivering that 2022 target, so very much on track to do. I think, we've performed at and above expectation. We said, we've done and said, we're going to do and then delivered against it. And that's certainly our modus operandi going forward. So, I think this is all underpinned not by a finger in the air or I wish it's actually underpinned by actually very strong level of work in hard, and the quality of the earnings and the associated cash flow with work in hand is very, very attractive, and gives confidence to stand behind those targets. So, with that, I will close and say, thank you again for your interest in KBR and for joining us this morning. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude today's conference. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect.