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Q1 2010 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 29, 2010

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the KBR First Quarter 2010 Earnings Call hosted by KBR. [Operator Instructions] For opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Rob Kukla, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Rob Kukla

Analyst

Thanks, Brandon. Good morning, and welcome to KBR's First Quarter 2010 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is also being webcast, and a replay will be available on KBR's website for seven days. The press release announcing the first quarter results is available on KBR's website. Joining me today are Bill Utt, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Sue Carter, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. In today's call, Bill will provide opening remarks and business outlook. Sue will address KBR's operating performance, financial position, backlog and other financial items. We will welcome questions after we complete our prepared remarks. Before turning the call over to Bill, I would like to remind our audience that today's comments may include forward-looking statements reflecting KBR's views about future events and their potential impact on performance. These matters involve risks and uncertainties that could impact operations and financial results, and cause our actual results to differ from our forward-looking statements. These risks are discussed in KBR's Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2009, KBR's quarterly reports on Forms 10-Q and KBR's current reports on Form 8-K. Now, I will turn the call over to Bill Utt. Bill?

William Utt

Analyst

Thanks, Rob, and good morning, everyone. From an earnings perspective, I was disappointed in KBR's first quarter results. However, I feel the earnings shortcomings was more the result of timing issues as opposed to unexpected costs or slowing of KBR's business. From an investor perspective, KBR's international lump-sum turnkey EPC projects frequently do not cooperate with smooth and efficient financial reporting. Let me elaborate. For the Yemen LNG project, Train 2 successfully achieved ready for start up on March 12 and care, custody and control of the Yemen LNG project has been turned over to the client. During the quarter, KBR booked additional provisions for subcontractor claims resulting in a $6 million loss. Also during the quarter, we achieved agreements with the client on change orders to recover prior provisions related to scheduled liquidated damages, as well as subcontractor claims. However, we were not successful in concluding these change orders during the quarter. We believe these change orders will be concluded and recognized next quarter. At the Tangguh project, the client is operating the LNG plant and both LNG trains are producing LNG for shipment. However, as a result of our client's sales commitments for LNG, KBR was requested to delay performance testing of the LNG plant, which would require a shutdown of the LNG trains. As with the Yemen LNG plant, KBR has fully provisioned the expected level of scheduled LDs and subcontractor claims. KBR is also discussing with the client change orders to close out the project that would provide recoveries of prior scheduled LDs, as well as subcontractor claims. We believe these change orders will be concluded during 2010. The Tangguh project did not impact KBR's earnings during the first quarter. Also during the first quarter, KBR saw LogCAP revenues fall $553 million from the prior-year first…

Susan Carter

Analyst

Thanks, Bill. I will review KBR's consolidated first quarter 2010 results, which primarily focuses on year-over-year comparisons. Consolidated KBR revenue totaled $2.6 billion in the first quarter of 2010, a $569 million or 18% decrease from the prior-year first quarter. Over this time period, the North American Government and Defense revenue declined $553 million or 35%, primarily related to a 27% reduction in troop levels on our Iraq-related services. Revenue in our Technology business unit increased 50%, International Government and Defense increased 34%, Downstream increased 18%, and Gas Monetization increased 3%. Consolidated operating income was $99 million in the first quarter of 2010 compared to operating income of $144 million in the first quarter of 2009. Net income attributable to KBR for the first quarter of 2010 was $46 million or $0.29 per diluted share, compared to $77 million or $0.48 per diluted share for the prior-year first quarter. The first quarter of 2010 net income was impacted by lower year-over-year volume on LogCAP III work, the absence of award fee income accrued on LogCAP III, which impacted earnings per diluted share by $0.05, and decreases in Gas Monetization job income. Gas Monetization revenue was $675 million in the first quarter of 2010, up $19 million from the first quarter of 2009. Job income was $53 million in the first quarter of 2010 compared to $65 million reported in the first quarter of 2009. Job income for the first quarter 2009 was positively impacted by the reversal of accruals totaling $16 million on completed EPC projects, which did not repeat in the first quarter of 2010. Lower activity on the Pearl GTL project, slower activity on the Skikda LNG project and the absence of incentive FEEDs on the Escravos GTL project. Partially offsetting the job income decline was increased Gordon…

William Utt

Analyst

Thanks, Sue. I'd like to provide KBR's outlook for our businesses. In our Gas Monetization business unit, we continue to see our most attractive markets in Australia. We believe we are competitively positioned to win additional new work on the Inpex, Pluto 2 and 3 and Browse LNG projects over the next two years. We are less bullish on Africa and other markets as we see a slower development of these opportunities, which are generally expected to lag behind developments in the Australia market. In our Oil & Gas business unit, we continue to see a strong level of global activity. As mentioned earlier, we are looking to turn several FEED studies into detailed design during 2010 and are positioning our offshore business to move deeper into project delivery from our recent focus on engineering services. We also see several excellent opportunities in the Caspian and West Africa regions that we hope will add to our backlog over the next 18 months. Additionally, giving KBR's unique expertise in both hydrocarbons, as well as working in Iraq, we feel we are competitively positioned to win additional hydrocarbon work associated with the rebuilding of the Iraqi oil sector. Our Downstream business unit expects to see continued recovery of spending in the Middle East, evidenced by the expected near-term commencement of construction activities on the Yanbu project and the continuation of the Ras Tanura FEED project. KBR also expects to move into the next stages of development on our African refinery projects during 2010. We are also seeing an uptick in activity in many of the markets served by our Technology business unit, which typically is a leading indicator of future volumes of engineering and construction work in the downstream sector. Overall, we continue to see margin pressures throughout our Hydrocarbons business, as…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will now take our first question from Steven Fisher with UBS.

Steven Fisher - UBS Investment Bank

Analyst

I just wanted to follow up and understand the interest expense dynamics a little bit better. I know, Sue, you mentioned the debt coming on the balance sheet, but how does that drive the interest expense that you reported -- I think it was a net of $4 million in the quarter, should that be kind of quarterly run rate going forward? And how does that translate to an interest rate?

Susan Carter

Analyst

It's actually -- let me start out some of the comments, Steve. It is primarily fees related to the new revolver. So we're amortizing the fees that were associated with that, and that is actually the biggest piece of that. So the actual interest expense is actually a very small piece of that on the revolver. So the majority of it is actually funding fees and origination fee amortization on the new credit facility.

Steven Fisher - UBS Investment Bank

Analyst

So is this the run rate that we should expect on a quarterly basis for the rest of the year?

Susan Carter

Analyst

Yes, I think that's correct.

Steven Fisher - UBS Investment Bank

Analyst

Bill, the first quarter run rate below the annual guidance, you mentioned a number of things that you expect later in the year. I mean what are the most important things that have to happen in order to ramp up to that guidance? Where are you more confident. and kind of where do you see the bigger risk at this point?

William Utt

Analyst

Well, I think the two change orders, Steve, I alluded to are really at front and center for the Gas Monetization business. These are change orders that we expect to be $0.15 a share or better, each. I think that Yemen change orders probably a little bit ahead of the discussions on Tangguh, but the discussions have been cordial with the customer and I think it's a matter of time before we get the final documentation in place. We also are expecting to see the award fees come in. We have a big chunk that's out there in the second quarter based on the Award Fee Boards that were convened in March. As you recall, we took -- because of the actions on the period from January '08 to April '08, our ability to reasonably estimate those fees changed, and so we had to take the provisions in the last year. We're looking to see some of that award fee come back and we believe in the second quarter, but during the course of the year, you could see some fairly large lumpy award fees, perhaps one around midyear and maybe one towards the end of the year hitting the KBR P&L. And I think we'll have probably -- continue to see some continued resolution of some legacy LogCAP issues that might offset those two. But those are the four things that I think that we're looking at here as being areas that we want to focus on and make sure we manage appropriately to achieve our expectations.

Steven Fisher - UBS Investment Bank

Analyst

And if you got a favorable decision on the award fees this quarter, would that change the way you're currently accruing the LogCAP III for the rest of the work that you have there?

William Utt

Analyst

No, I don't think it would change the accruals. We're getting ready to transfer the LogCAP IV scope and that contract is not grandfathered from the accounting pronouncements that came out recently. In contrast, the LogCAP III that was -- as LogCAP III tails down and we move on to LogCAP IV, we wouldn't even have any opportunity to do that. But I think we're prudent given the environment we're in to recognize those as awarded.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our next question from Jamie Cook with Credit Suisse. Peter Chang - Crédit Suisse First Boston, Inc.: It's actually Peter Chang calling in for Jamie. You guys made some comments about some opportunities in the Oil and Gas business in Iraq. And I just wondered if you could provide a little bit more color and perhaps some thoughts on timing.

William Utt

Analyst

You're aware that they've been out due to -- I think around 10 different companies with concessions to rebuild the Iraqi oil infrastructure. We have been contacted by a lot of people and we have submitted bids to a few of the firms to support them and their infrastructure development that they believe is necessary to bring the volumes of Iraqi oil supply to the levels that they've committed to in their agreements with the Iraqi Government. Right now, we're seeing the early phases are there. We're seeing the oilfield service companies, Schlumberger, Halliburton, Baker Hughes so they're performing work and as that cycle of work matures, then slightly downstream firms like KBR will see opportunities to build the infrastructure that once the oil is able to come out of the ground, then it can be taken to market. So we're optimistic that, we've got a compelling value proposition given our seven years of experience in Iraq and also the Hydrocarbons business that as the Shells and Exxons and BPs and some of the national oil companies move forward on their work, that I think KBR is very well positioned to get that work. Peter Chang - Crédit Suisse First Boston, Inc.: And will this work be bid out lump-sum turnkey, and do you expect sort of the competitive dynamics that we're seeing in maybe like Saudi Arabia also take place in Iraq?

William Utt

Analyst

I think there will be a lesser tendency to bid lump-sum turnkey in Iraq, and I'm making a relative judgment because the environment's fairly uncertain there. You still have some activities that are considered hostile or quasi-hostile. I think most of it's going to be -- I think the work will tend to be less lump-sum turnkey compared to what we see in Saudi Arabia, for example. But as the market matures, I think that the project execution across the region will converge, but initially I think we'll see more reimbursable work out of that market until things are fairly more routine in people's minds.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Barry Bannister with Stifel Nicolaus. Barry Bannister - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Did you say, Bill, that there was a $10 million increase in legal fees associated with past LogCAP III legacy issues?

William Utt

Analyst

No, I did not. The $10 million, Barry, part of its legal fees, part of it are provisions we've taken on some of these issues from 2003 and 2004. The aggregate of which is the $10 million. Ballpark, very rough order, it was about 50/50. Barry Bannister - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: So are we talking about continuation of that on a quarterly basis per the conversation earlier so that we're totaling approximately $40 million for the year, or would it be less?

William Utt

Analyst

We're hoping it would be less. We do believe that as we move forward on some of these legacy issues, we'll start clearing our debts and there may be some charges there. But I really can't tell. It's really issue-dependent on the outcome, particularly the panels and how they look at things. It's certainly our hope we'll be able to manage it perspectively at a lower level than what we saw in the first quarter. Barry Bannister - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: And then long-lead time Pluto 2 procurement seems to be beyond the scope of a typical FEED. So are these client releases that are a quasi-award proportions of a pending project? Or is it all pretty normal for a FEED to do that sort of thing?

William Utt

Analyst

I can't recall this effort being part of a FEED on the prior FEEDs we've done on the LNG side. I would think that there is obviously within the LNG project, some long-lead time efforts and procurement services that somebody needs to do, and our award is, I think reflective of the strength we've had in performing the FEED work, and we were very pleased to have received that work mandate from Woodside.

Operator

Operator

We'll now hear from Andrew Kaplowitz with Barclays Capital.

Andy Kaplowitz - Barclays Capital

Analyst

Bill, if you exclude -- I think you said there was a $6 million charge on the Yemen Project. If you exclude that, you're talking about almost 9% gross margins in Gas Monetization. My question is, is there anything to stop that margin from going double-digit once we get Tangguh and the Yemen behind us, do you expect that to happen?

William Utt

Analyst

Yes, I do. I think simply as we run down Skikda and Escravos that our margins should continue to increase. I think the one area that we're trying to get a better handle on here, and I would ask you and others to think about this, is while our backlog went down in the Hydrocarbons from last quarter, we believe we're seeing a roll off of a lot of third-party costs of subcontracts, materials and equipment coming out of our backlog as we work off Skikda, as we work off Escravos. And we seem to be replacing that with more professional services work. And that's how we're looking at the increase in headcount of 10% in the Hydrocarbons business in light of a shrinking backlog. So we're seeing a change in complexion within our backlog to get more towards professional services. I think as we see that, Andy, I think your thesis that the margin should go up, should go to double-digit, I think holds, and that's what I ascribe to.

Andy Kaplowitz - Barclays Capital

Analyst

And they could do that this year? We're not talking about 2011 or '12, right? They could do that this year?

William Utt

Analyst

Well, I think the -- obviously, we took some hits on Yemen this quarter. If we factor in the impact of those change orders that I talked about earlier, I think you could see some upside on the margins beyond what we saw this quarter.

Andy Kaplowitz - Barclays Capital

Analyst

And then if I focus on -- one thing that I was interested in is your Infrastructure and Minerals business now that you broke it out. It seems like -- I mean you talked about that business picking up over time but when you break it out, it looks like it's just kind of flattish. So are you seeing a pick up there and do you expect to see better new awards as you go forward?

William Utt

Analyst

Yes. What we're seeing in the Infrastructure business is it's really pretty flat here in the U.S. In fact, it's shrinking. We just haven't seen any impact on the stimulus at all and that's a smaller impact to us. We are seeing in the Australia market where we've got our biggest concentration of infrastructure, some pick-up in activity and awards in the transport sector that we think will bode very well for us over the next two or three quarters through 2010. On the Minerals business, we are seeing an increase in activity led largely by the increased consumption of iron ore and coal in China, where we believe our backlog related to minerals projects in Australia will pick up in the second half of the year. We're seeing a lot of proposal activity right now as well.

Andy Kaplowitz - Barclays Capital

Analyst

If I can just summarize these two questions, I mean one thing that's just hard to understand a little, but I think I do, is it seems like you're absorbing $0.04 a quarter of these extra sort of legacy LogCAP stuff in your guidance. Is there anything that you want to highlight that's actually better than our expectations that's helping you do that as you go throughout the year?

William Utt

Analyst

Well I think, one, there's our view that there's a little bit of an overhang on KBR, you'd call it a dark cloud regarding LogCAP. And we specifically wanted to talk about some of the good things that had happened this quarter that we think bodes well for us in getting towards a resolution of the numerous items that we've described in our 10-K. So we have, in my mind, some real positive momentum on getting some resolutions. Secondly, as we look at the transition in the LogCAP IV, we are hitting the margin expectations that we have been discussing since the IPO back in November of '06. We expect the logistics work that we got the initial task order on and expect to transition this year. That's mid-single-digits-based fee. And that's a big pick-up for us, compared to the 1% based 2% award fee we historically have had, and even a bigger pick-up compared to the 1% base that we recognized in Q1 with the absence of the award fees.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Vance Edelson with Morgan Stanley.

Vance Edelson - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Bill, when you think about the troop drawdown in Iraq, which you mentioned will take place as scheduled, any changes in your mind to how long-tailed it might be in the coming years relative to your thinking six months ago or 12 months ago?

William Utt

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

No change in thinking from six to 12 months ago regarding the tail. And we really don't have any inside information other than you can look at where we are. We still got people in Europe from World War II and while that's a very dramatic example of the U.S. bases in Germany, I think they'll be a force there for a while. But it certainly -- for two or three years, I feel that we're going to have a presence there. And I'm not suggesting we'll be there for 50 years, but we do have a continuing interest strategically and militarily in that region to make sure it's settled. And so I think that level should continue for a while. At least for what we look at as our foreseeable future.

Vance Edelson - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

And with the change orders not completed on the LNG projects, could you point to anything in particular that happened that caused the delay? Or would you say the initial thinking was just a bit too optimistic in retrospect?

William Utt

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Well, things always seem to take longer in the LNG world internationally than we'd like. And when we put together our budgets last October, we looked out and thought that from October, we saw a path to get this concluded in first quarter. And we were incorrect. But we do have new information that we referenced in the specific comments of what the client has accepted and we're in the process of doing the documentation, and regrettably for our quarterly reporting, we find that when you go through government agencies, the IOCs, and as well as E&P companies, things take a little bit longer to get buttoned up than perhaps dealing with a single customer in the U.S. market environment setting.

Vance Edelson - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

And maybe on that exact topic about the delays, you mentioned the stimulus doesn't seem to be having any impact yet. Are there any signs of life there? Or are there any of the delays that you've seen that you think might be forces that are lifted in the coming months?

William Utt

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Well my comments regarding the stimulus spending relate to our Transportation and Infrastructure business in Texas and a little bit in Alabama. And we're watching, waiting and looking. And for the services that we provide, we haven't seen -- we do a lot of construction management, and we haven't seen projects in those areas come forward, and our businesses have declined in their size because of the apparent shrinkage of the construction work. And we're not seeing the volume of design services that we had hoped to. And again, we're dealing with a small microcosm of the U.S. infrastructure market. But certainly, in the areas where we are present, we are not seeing the positive impacts to our business from stimulus spending.

Vance Edelson - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

And just one more question back on Iraq, and maybe this is more for Sue. With the increase in working capital there, should we expect that to kind of reverse in the second quarter? Would that be a somewhat fair assumption?

Susan Carter

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Absolutely. It was a payment that was outstanding across the end of the quarter. And we actually received the funds in the first week of the second quarter. So that is timing and it has righted itself.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our next question from Michael Dudas with Jefferies. Michael Dudas - Jefferies & Company, Inc.: Bill, could you maybe give a little bit more color or characterize your comments in your prepared remarks regarding the competition in the energy space? Can you characterize it relative to front-end work, the detailed design, EPC lump sum, and are there certain regions or product mixes that are a little bit more or less competitive than others? And are you surprised at some of the newer entrants you've been seeing going after your business?

William Utt

Analyst

I would say that -- I was looking at some of the wire service reports today and I know Technic was out and literally have the same comments I had generally about the margins. The business ran up really well in terms of margins and the pricing of our delivered products and capital projects became much higher in late '08, early '09 compared to where we were several years before. And we saw a lot of opportunity pricing as opposed to cost-base pricing take place. And that's led to an effort by our customer base to continue to challenge margins at all steps of the way. And we're seeing that on the engineering and services side. The margins have become more modest for us. We have seen a very high degree of competition, particularly on downstream projects in the Middle East, where you're seeing a lot of initial awards won by Korean contractors at very, very competitive prices. And the owners of the facilities at Jubail, at Yanbu, even the owners of Gorgon as we've gone out to do procurement globally, have seen their cost budgets very positively underrun because of what we believe are efforts on the part of fabricators and equipment manufacturers to build back their backlogs that we think had gotten down to very, very challenging levels. In fact the -- anecdotally, the award efforts and the very aggressive bidding by a number of contractors from Korea and the Middle East on these downstream projects could be likened in some respects to a Korean stimulus package to bring new work and new manufacturing into that country. We believe that the competition will remain high. I think that as companies begin building their backlogs, they'll turn their attentions to how can they begin lifting margins throughout the chain and things will continue. I think there's been a general rush for people to buy some market share in the Saudi Arabian market. But how much that aggressive behavior continues, I can't tell. But I believe it will start backing off a little bit in the second half of the year as we return to a more normal bidding environment.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will now take our next question from Will Gabrielski with Broadpoint Gleacher.

Will Gabrielski - Broadpoint AmTech, Inc.

Analyst · Broadpoint Gleacher.

You have a really good vantage point obviously in Australia with your involvement with Pluto, Browse and obviously Gorgon, Inpex. Can you talk about steel prices, maybe? I know you talked about some of the procurement costs and fabrication, but are bid validity periods shortening up? Is there any impact there, and also what you're seeing in the labor front, because presumably there could be another wave of projects here. I'm wondering how that could impact contracting terms?

William Utt

Analyst · Broadpoint Gleacher.

I think steel in our world is a globally sourced commodity. And we do keep an eye on that. I think we have seen a recovery, but I don't sense we're at a point where the market's started getting really hot again. And I think pricing has firmed, but has not started the increase we saw between '06 and '08. On the labor side, I think the market is adjusting. As an example, in Gorgon, that's primarily going to be a fabrication yard construction with assembly at the side on modules. At Gorgon, we're doing about 250,000 tons of modules on that project and the number of beds we have on Barrow Island is very relatively limited I believe it's about 5,000 beds on Barrow Island and you contrast that to the SEGAS project, it was a single 5 million-ton-per-year train, compared to Gorgon which is three. And on SEGAS, we had 10,000 people on site. So you're seeing the market adjust to become more aware of some of the labor issues and the labor shortages that could arise in Australia and are trying to minimize the construction labor impact on these projects by doing more of the construction in fab yards where you can better control the labor cost and productivity.

Will Gabrielski - Broadpoint AmTech, Inc.

Analyst · Broadpoint Gleacher.

We all sit here and we're worried about fixed-price work and what some of the other contractors maybe have taken on projects, some of the SEGAS and LNG projects. If you look out six to 12 months when some of these other LNG projects will move into the EPC phase, whether it's Pluto 2, 3, Browse, Inpex, et cetera, do you see a scenario where they'll be enough projects moving forward at once that maybe the contractors have a little bit more negotiating leverage at the table, and you're not too worried about that developing?

William Utt

Analyst · Broadpoint Gleacher.

Well, I could never admit we have more negotiating leverage with any of our clients. But we do see projects moving forward. I think as we talk to our customers around the world, they are similar in their belief that the volatilities, the very aggressive volatilities that we saw in the last five years, are largely muted compared to what we've seen. And we would expect that the customers will be pushing back for increased degrees of lump-sum work. Now when I say "lump sum," moving from an all-reimbursable construction project to where you do lump-sum home office services and maybe do the construction management on a reimbursable basis, that's a movement towards more lump sum. And we are expecting that with our clients, because those are certainly costs and resources that we better control, than certainly the fieldwork in Australia, for example. As you see the national oil companies move forward, I think their bias has always been to do more on a lump-sum basis. And I think you'll see some movement in that respect. And it wouldn't surprise me to see the breakdown between lump sum and reimbursable work move upward a little bit at KBR as we address this reality. I think we're very comfortable bidding lump sum but we're also very cognizant of what the risks are, and how we price the risks, and commercially what risks we're willing to take as a company. And that's had an effect in the recent environment of driving us more on a reimbursable basis. But with the present environment and a lower volatility, I think you could see that 19% fixed-price work and you move up some in the coming years.

Will Gabrielski - Broadpoint AmTech, Inc.

Analyst · Broadpoint Gleacher.

The refinery in Angola which you talked about EPCM opportunity in the first half of 2010, is that expected to be competitively bid or not?

William Utt

Analyst · Broadpoint Gleacher.

Right now, we're working with the customer to take that FEED activities and move them into the next step. So I don't believe so.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our final question from Barry Bannister with Stifel Nicolaus. Barry Bannister - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: When I look at the news that came out regarding the Ras Tanura petrochemical facility moving itself to Jubail and doing away with the integrated refinery, also in so doing, they go from naptha to an ethane feedstock, which reduces the slate of petrochemicals produced. So can you give us some color on just how large a decrease this would be in the size of the award? And since you're sharing with Foster Wheeler, what is your role in the potential FID here, and what would it change given this change in the size of the job?

William Utt

Analyst

Well, Barry, I think we've seen numbers that have been bandied about and I'm only referring to what's in the press now. The project has shrunk from maybe a $25 billion project to $17 billion, which is a very big savings in today's market. I think the owners are kind of rethinking how they want to move forward on undertaking the FEED, and at this stage, I think there's question in the owner's mind of do you want to have that work across three companies on two different continents, and what are the costs to undertake such an effort? And as they descoped the project, clearly, it becomes more bite-size for any number of players including KBR. And we still believe that we're providing great value to them as the PMC contractor, they have some of the license work we're doing and we continue to have an active dialogue of how we can best serve the owner group going forward under the new configuration with a location at Jubail. Barry Bannister - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: And then on LogCAP III, being the current life-support role in Iraq. I'm not sure why the Army would transition to LogCAP IV if they have an open call option on you for a 1% base rate and a 2% award fee to continue in your current capacity. So is there some foot-dragging? Is that an option that they can pursue or are they going to award a LogCAP IV for the life-support function?

William Utt

Analyst

Well, we do know that the bid is due tomorrow, which is the end of April. And that they have asked for a bid validity period of, I believe, about double what we had on the logistics. It may be as much as six months, 120 days to six months. I agree with you. I think there is -- the call option aspect, which you have to weigh against the political benefits of just saying LogCAP III is gone, now we're on LogCAP IV. But I think the bigger issue is as the Army is moving troops out of Iraq and they're shutting down bases and moving people to other bases and consolidating efforts and taking equipment, materials and putting them over to Afghanistan and taking some of it back to staging areas all over the world, I'm sure the guys in theater with all of the issues that they're facing in this massive troop movement, probably do question why do we want to make a change right now possibly to somebody we don't know or haven't dealt with. And I guess in our minds, it is conceivable that the Department of Defense could come to the conclusion as why not just keep this on LogCAP III or, let's give it to KBR on LogCAP IV simply because the coordination issues between the Army and the contractor are very different because of the degree of troop movements and equipment movements and that's going to be going on in the next six months there. Barry Bannister - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: And lastly, any progress on the PEMEX arbitration payment? I know it's not as small as EPC-22 and 28, but those took three to six months.

William Utt

Analyst

Certainly, as we quoted in the Q, there've been some rejection of PEMEX's efforts in Mexico on procedural matters. We filed to validate the award in New York as quickly as we could. We think we're very well positioned in New York to affirm the award. I think honestly for an award this size and the duty PEMEX has to its shareholders, i.e. the Government and the Constitution of Mexico, they need to exhaust all possible avenues to seek to overturn this before they would be able to make the payment to KBR. But we feel we're in a very strong position, and we also have an interest clock ticking on the award that I think PEMEX and certainly we're aware of, we've not included any of the interest on that award in our financials. But we're waiting. We think we're in good shape. And we think eventually, that amount will get paid.

Operator

Operator

I would now like to turn the conference back over to our presenters for any additional or closing remarks.

William Utt

Analyst

Thank you for joining us today. As always, if you have any follow-up questions don't hesitate to give me a call today. I'll be in the office all day. Thank you.