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Kadant Inc. (KAI)

Q4 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 26, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter 2014 Kadant Inc. Earnings Conference Call. My name is Adrian and I’ll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. We will conduct a question-and-answer session towards the end of the conference. [Operator instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the call over to Thomas O Brien, Chief Financial Officer. Please proceed, sir.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Thank you Adrian good morning everyone and welcome to Kadant’s fourth quarter and fiscal year 2014 earnings call. With me on the call today is Jon Painter, our President and Chief Executive Officer. Before we begin, let me read our Safe Harbor statement. Various remarks that we may make today about Kadant’s future expectations, plans and prospects are forward-looking statements for purposes of the Safe Harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Our actual results may differ materially from these forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors including those outlined at the beginning of our slide presentation and those discussed under the heading Risk Factors in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the fiscal quarter ended September 27, 2014. Our Form 10-Q is on file with the SEC and is also available in the investor section of our website at www.kadant.com under the heading SEC Filings. In addition, any forward-looking statements we make during this webcast represent our views only as of today. While we may elect to update forward-looking statements at some point in the future, we specifically disclaim any obligation to do so even if our estimates change and you should not rely on these forward-looking statements as representing our views on any date after today. During this webcast, we will refer to some non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is contained in our fourth quarter and full-year earnings press release issued yesterday which is available in the investor section of our website at www.kadant.com under the heading Investor News. With that, I will turn the call over to Jon Painter who will give you an update on Kadant’s business and future prospects. Following Jon’s remarks, I will give an overview of our financial results for the quarter and we will then have a Q&A session. Jon?

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Thanks, Tom. Hello everyone. It’s my pleasure to brief you on our fourth quarter and full-year 2014 results as well as our outlook for 2015. Overall, we had an excellent quarter with new record set for revenues and adjusted diluted earnings per share. Our full-year 2014 performance resulted in records and just about every financial category including revenue, operating income, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted diluted earnings per share, bookings and cash flow. Let me begin today’s business with review of our Q4 financial highlights. We finished the fourth quarter with record revenues of a $105 million which was up a 11% compared to the fourth quarter of 2013. Internal growth in the fourth quarter excluding acquisitions and foreign currency was up a strong 16%. Gross margins in the fourth quarter remained strong at 45%. Our adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.81 in the fourth quarter was a new record up 29% compared to Q4 of 2013. Our adjusted earnings per share includes $0.04 of expense related to the acquisition and relocation of the J&L screen cylinder product line into our manufacturing facilities in Alabama. We also had a $0.05 negative impact from FX and a $0.05 negative impact from the higher tax rate compared to Q4 of 2013. Bookings were up 23% from Q4 of last year excluding acquisitions at FX bookings were up 26%. And finally, cash flow from continuing operations was excellent at $19 million which was double the cash generated in Q4 2013. We ended the year with net cash of $20 million. Looking at the full-year, as I noted we set records in revenue, operating income, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted diluted earnings per share, bookings and cash flow. Revenues increased 17% to a record $402 million including $38 million from acquisitions. Excluding acquisitions and unfavorable effects our…

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Thank you, Jon. I will start with our gross margin performance. Consolidated product gross margins were 44.7% in the fourth quarter of 2014, up 80 basis points compared to the fourth quarter of 2013. The increase in gross margins from last years fourth quarter was due primarily to higher margins in our parts and consumables business and to a lesser extent in our capital business. These higher margins were partially offset by a small unfavorable product mix effect as our higher margin parts and consumable revenue represented 59% of total revenue in the fourth quarter of 2014 compared to 62% in the fourth quarter of 2013. Product gross margins were higher than last years fourth quarter in all our product lines in both the Paper segment and in the Wood Processing segment. For the full-year 2014 product gross margins of 44.4% was the second highest level achieved in the company’s history and we were 140 basis points lower in the record level of 45.8% achieved in 2013. The margins in both 2014 and 2013 were decreased due to the amortization of acquired profit in inventory by 55 basis points and 44 basis points respectively. Looking ahead we expect that full-year 2015 consolidated product gross margins will be approximately 44% to 45%. Now, let’s turn to Slide 19, in our quarterly SG&A expenses. SG&A expenses were $33.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2014, up 800,000 from last years fourth quarter and included a favorable foreign currency translation effect of $1.3 million. Encouragingly, SG&A expenses as a percentage of revenue were down to 31.7% in the fourth quarter of 2014 compared to 34.4% in last year’s fourth quarter, a decrease of 270 basis points. For the full-year 2014, SG&A expenses were $129.3 million an increase of $11.7 million or 10% compared…

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] Please standby for your first question which comes from the line of Walter Liptak of Global Hunter. Please go ahead.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Hey guys, good morning.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Hey, Wal.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Hey, Wal.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Congratulations on a good year, really was an outstanding year and a good strong end to the year.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Thanks.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

I want to ask about the currency headwind and you kind of zero to end on Europe and obviously the euro has been weak, are there other currencies that are in your guidance that you are getting impacted by as well?

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Yes, they are definitely are I mean the Canadian dollars also come down quite a bit versus the U.S. dollar, the Brazilian Real has come down quite a bit and the Swedish krona has also come down. The once that are kind of the Chinese renminbi is holding pretty stable, but most of the other currencies in the world are down.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

In the same kind of ranges as the euro to a large extent.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay, that’s rolled into the 2015 guidance for all the currency.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Yes, we talked about the FX impact that’s all the currencies are included in that.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay, as you think about currency impact to EPS, is that a translation effect on EPS?

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Yes.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Yes.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay, is there any negative competitive aspects to the currency as well, you know I guess I'm thinking about Europe or Brazil or whatever where you got to - where may just be a little bit less competitive.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

You know our European - our businesses based in Europe when they compete internationally or they sell in U.S. dollars which sometimes they do should be more competitive, but that said a lot of our competitors for our European business are also European.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay, great and…

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Just as the smaller side in the U.S we also have some European competitors, but in many cases our manufacturing is allover the world.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay, good. Okay on the parts sales and that nice growth rate that you had. I wonder what kind of expectation you have got factored into the 2015 modeling, because of your internal efforts to sell more parts, are you expecting a nice growth rate to parts?

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

I mean yes, you know you might remember a few years back I went through all of these internal growth initiatives including parts. And we kind of said that we hope to have an internal growth rate in that 4% to 6% range on average a five year period. So I think that’s still kind of our kind of goal, some years it will be a little higher, some years it will be a little lower, but that’s kind of what we shoot for.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay, okay good and then you know last one and then I’ll go back in queue. It looks like a lot of the growth is coming from North America and you kind of called out the chemical pulp projects. I wonder if you could provide some color on the market opportunities for that and timing for some of those orders.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Sure, I mean I would say it may be a elaborate a little bit on North America in general, so North America is fortunate in a sense that its wood basket as they call it, you know the fiber that it uses from trees grown in North America are probably the most cost effective and some of the strongest fiber in the world, so they just have a real fundamental advantage, the luxury of where they are geographically. The other advantage of course the North American producers have is macro wise the North American economy is probably the strongest economy in the world. So what you have got is I wouldn’t say robust growth in terms of end-user demand, but businesses that are making healthy returns and are making very rational decisions for investments to improve their efficiency, reduce their input cost that kind of stuff, but its probably a little more on the virgin side than the recycle side right now. And I would say the other thing I would say by the way the OCC – the cost of OCC is actually come down in North America, so wouldn’t be surprised to see that shift again the other way. In past years the Chinese have been kind of driving up OCC prices that’s old corrugated containers the feedstock to recycle containerboard, but that’s come down a little bit one from less demand out of China and two from they’re actually getting more fiber from there own sources within China, local Chinese OCC.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay good. All right thank you.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

All right thanks a lot of Wal.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Rudy Hokanson of Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Rudolf A. Hokanson

Analyst

Good morning. I was wondering could you talk a little bit about what you are seeing with your Wood Processing and opportunities from that acquisition in terms of the housing markets right now. I mean your question housing markets have been fairly strong but recent data also talked about the fact that with low interest rates, prices are staying kind of high relative to affordability for some first time buyers, but are you giving any kind of read is to you know expectations in your forecast is to, I am not saying exactly right. But as you are putting out your forecast for 2015 what you are assuming as far as growth rate goes especially for North American housing.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Okay sure. I will just review a little bit you might recall when we bought that Wood Processing business we kind of said we expected the housing market in the U.S. to grow in the 9% to 11% range just coming of the lows that had been post that economic crisis. I think we also said that there is a lot of mothballed OSB mills in North America and we didn’t expect new capacity additions in sub-2017. In fact, the market has come back a little bit stronger than we thought and we know expect that we are actually starting to see some talk about new capacity additions in North America, so could see some new facilities in 2015 and 2016 I don’t think we are talking about waiting till 2017. So it’s doing basically what we expected a little bit better we care mostly about new house construction as a oppose to housing sales in general, but most of the OSB producers that we talk to in North America are fairly optimistic. Another opportunity for us is actually in Europe, the housing market is mostly not wood in Europe, but they are definitely are OSB mills there, and we do have some opportunities I think to increase our market share in Europe which we’re pursuing.

Rudolf A. Hokanson

Analyst

Might that include acquisitions in OSB?

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

OSB Wood Processing business is done great for us. I’m very bullish on housing as we have talked about. I would love to find kind of a follow-on or acquisitions kind of increase our exposure to that marketplace. We’ve looked at stuff, we just haven’t found things that fit us just right yet, but it is an area we are looking at actively. I think I said when we first made that acquisition, if there was a negative to that acquisition there wasn’t a very logical huge sandbox of acquisition opportunities, and then that is actually proving to be the case.

Rudolf A. Hokanson

Analyst

Okay, and a follow-up, right now what are you seeing in China as far as its macro market goes in terms of closing those facilities and maybe higher utilization of the mills that you sell to?

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Yes, so couple of comments on China, they are still closing facilities for sure. I would say that there is I talked about overcapacity that is largely on the coast. And so most of the projects we are seeing are more inline, they are not as big as opportunities in the interior part of the China as the base on the coast. A lot of the activity we are seeing in China on the coast is not so much adding new capacity as helping them become more efficient. So its capital sales in many cases, but its capital sales to existing mills to help them do more.

Rudolf A. Hokanson

Analyst

Could you maybe elaborate a little bit more on your fourth quarter results were it was up I think it was 4%, was that sort of a stalled quarter, or do you think that China in 2015 is likely to be up just a few percent of whatyousee in the market right now?

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

I mean I would say, two comments on China, one is it’s a volatile place, so things swing up and down. The second one is over the long-run. We are still quite optimistic on China in the sense that they have big advantages in terms of infrastructure, the way their population is moving to cities and so forth. That said they do have to observe this overcapacity and fundamentally that will take a while. The good news is it will happen unless things change dramatically in terms of their overall economy they will reach that. So I think as we look forward to China in 2015 versus 2014 I kind of see more of the same, it’s not super robust, but there are still our projects going on.

Rudolf A. Hokanson

Analyst

Thank you. And I’d might have gotten confused, but could you - was the $14 million order that you are not including in your backlog due to the customer having issues with getting financing was that related to China or where is that related to?

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Yes, it is in China, actually I’m glad you asked about that, because maybe it’s worth elaborating a little bit. So this is a big project, three paper machines, it’s buy and established player who has got other mills a hunk of that project was always going to be in 2016, so but it is true that the early shipments that we hope to do in the first part of this year he is saying right now, he has got to arrange financing and to differ that. One of the reasons we’re kind of optimistic that it will eventually happen is there is already a great deal of money sunk into this project. I mean he has got deposits on three paper machines, he has construction at the mill side, it’s pure speculation, but I would guess he has well over a $100 million invested in this project. So from our perspective when we see that and we see that kind of still in the game we kind to say one way or another this project should go forward, but it might not happen in 2015.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

The $14 million is still in our backlog.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Absolutely, yes.

Rudolf A. Hokanson

Analyst

It is in the backlog, okay.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

I thought I heard you say it was not, but no it actually it is in the backlog still. We expect eventually range of financing, but the reason Jon said is it’s so much sunk into this project and we will eventually be able to ship the order or parts of the order.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

We just took it out of the forecast for 2015, but it’s still at the backlog.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

But it’s still at the backlog.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

I’m sorry didn’t hear that

Rudolf A. Hokanson

Analyst

Okay, thank you. I’m sure I misunderstood. That’s good to know.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Okay.

Rudolf A. Hokanson

Analyst

Those are my questions right now. Thank you.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Jacome of Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead.

Daniel A. Jacome

Analyst

Good morning, how are you?

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Hi, how are you?

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Good morning, Dan.

Daniel A. Jacome

Analyst

Not too bad, thanks for the time. Just staying on the subject OSB China did you – already missed it what was the China backlog at the end of the quarter that dollar value?

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

We don’t give backlog by region.

Daniel A. Jacome

Analyst

Okay, I thought the last quarter it was like a $43 million of…

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

I might have given it for at the end of Q3.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

I think its still pretty healthy like it’s in the higher 30s.

Daniel A. Jacome

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate that.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Yes, we probably derived it, if we could...

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Yes, I know, I gave you booking.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

You said bookings of revenue, so we should probably derive it, but I'm pretty sure it’s still a pretty strong number.

Daniel A. Jacome

Analyst

I’ll be waiting that…

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

The comment is we had 14 million of which is this job we are just talking about.

Daniel A. Jacome

Analyst

Okay and then I guess staying on China, I mean have you seen any incremental strander business or any project discussions or maybe anything you have a line of sight on for the next few quarters, I'm just curious.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

So you know as you might remember in April of last year we got two strander orders in China, you know was up two for last year. It’s a new and emerging market, so at the time I said I didn’t expect much capital in China for the rest of 2014, I actually don’t expect much in the capital in China 2015 either. I think we have to see those jobs startup and those customers introduced this new product, relatively new product to this market, I think its got great opportunity over the long run, but I don’t think you are going to see much in the way of capital in 2015 and I'm not even so sure about 2016, you may see things by 2016.

Daniel A. Jacome

Analyst

Okay and then lastly just to clarify, uses of capital and priorities, it sounds like M&A is at the top of pyramid.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

We’re spending a lot of time looking at M&A opportunities, I'm pleased that we are seeing a lot of things and I would say things that are more interesting than they have been in the past, we just haven’t quite found stuff interesting and not that a price that’s right, but it is absolutely something we’re actively looking at right now. Noting eminent.

Daniel A. Jacome

Analyst

Okay and then I mean as far as valuation criteria, are you trying to benchmark it against maybe what you paid for the Carmanah which I know was a pretty sweetheart deal for you guys or are you using more flexibility as far as evaluation.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Yes, I would say we benchmarked against Carmanah, we could assure we’ll never buy anything, because that was a great deal. Now we understand what the market is, I mean so no that’s not the standard, we’ve got our own internal IRR cost of capital we are trying to get in the 12%, 13% range, we have [indiscernible] requirements that we’re looking for too over lets say a three to five year period. So what we need is an acquisition at a reasonable price or an acquisition where we have a lot of synergies.

Daniel A. Jacome

Analyst

Okay, great. Nice job again and thanks a lot.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes again from the line of Walter Liptak of Global Hunter. Please go ahead.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Thanks, I want to ask about South America, and it sounds like it’s pretty volatile down there as well. I think I heard that you are going to be doing some restructuring, is that right and if so was there a charge that’s already included in the guidance or it can be a special charge?

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

The charge that I was referring to in my remarks we actually made in Q3 of last year, and so that restructuring is largely done. Again we are watching it closely, but we’ve actually already put that in place.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay, as you are thinking about 2015…

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Yes, just I’ll make one comment about South America.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

We are bombarding everybody with FX changes and we didn’t talk about FX in South America, but it’s substantial that real has also dropped significantly against the U.S. dollar.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay. In terms of cost reduction restructuring is that anywhere else where you can get cost out well the some of the markets are slow?

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

I would say we are doing it right along, so we are doing this little thing in Sweden, we did the thing in South America, that I would say we are relatively comfortable where we are from our cost point of view. The improvements we are having in operating performance or expect to have next year in operating performance that was much derived from having additional revenue I work and not adding as much to our expense structure.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

In terms of the numbers of what we had about a penny which we noted in the press release that restructuring in the first quarter and there is only about maybe even another penny for the rest of the year, that’s a very, very small amount in the guidance or restructuring.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay, got it. Okay, and then just thinking about your geographic mix of business for 2015, is that a margin benefit because of the regional mix obviously the taxes are little bit higher, but is there an offsetting on margins?

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Yes, most of this Tom kind of said earlier most of the case we’ve got, if you are referring to FX our costs and our sales are in the same area. So we don’t really have a margin benefit from currency changes. We kind of set our gross margins will kind of stay about the same.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Very good.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Great, okay and then I guess the last one is just we can do the numbers the math on the interest expense, but I wonder if we can get your number for interest expense in 2015.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

The net interest expense in 2015 again its not going to be fairly significant it would be in the range of $400,000 to $500,000 net interest. Our all in interest rate right now is somewhere around 2.5% on the…

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Okay, it sounds good. Okay thanks guys.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Exactly, it’s around 1%, little over 1%, so I mentioned we fixed a small piece of the debt for five years currently at 2.5% or 1.5% rather, the max that can go to is 2.5%. So it’s a good environment to borrow money and Jon has noted in the past our balance sheet is under levered, so future acquisition opportunities…

Walter Liptak

Analyst

Yes, you got to find some reasons to borrow some money and help us all.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

We’re working on that yes, yes, but yet not lowering our standards. I think that there inst enough of a reason to do something.

Walter Liptak

Analyst

No its right. Okay all right thanks guys.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Thomas O Brien

Analyst

Thanks, welcome. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

Sir, you have no more questions at this time. So I would like to turn the call over to Jon Painter for closing remarks.

Jonathan W. Painter

Analyst

Okay, thank you. Let me conclude today's call with to me one of the key takeaways from the quarter. First we had a record setting year in 2014 with solid growth in both our acquisitions as well as our existing businesses despite these currency headwinds we’ve been talking about. Second, we had excellent cash flow at 49 million. Third, our higher margin parts and consumables business continues to grow with Q4 bookings of 20% and finally despite significant FX impact, we are excepting 2015 to be another good year for growth with revenues up 3% to 5% and adjusted earnings per share up 10% to 14% with significantly improved operating margins. I look forward to updating you on our next quarter on our progress. Thanks very much, bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Have a good day.