Mark Hughes
Analyst · Truist Securities
Frank, just a question about the written premium in the E&S business. Obviously, you had some timing and project impact in the quarter. Maybe that's about 5 points, I think. How did that competition progress through the quarter? Kind of month to month when we think about what to expect in Q3, and should we anticipate, you know, this sustained pressure, will have continuing impact or perhaps will be offset by some of your initiatives around submissions and getting more quotes out. Just a few thoughts about the Q3 second half would be very helpful in a volatile environment.
Frank D’Orazio: Sure, thanks, Mark. There's a lot there, so let me try to cover it all, and then I think your last piece was really about outlook. So just in terms of the premium drop-off in E&S, we had a number of, I'll call it noisy dynamics. I think most instances you wouldn't call out some of those items because when you have over 30,000 in-force accounts, you can see some semblance of these items in any given quarter. But when they aggregate into tens of millions of premium dollars, I think they're worth clarifying, particularly for a company of our size. So the runoff of contract binding, the tract housing construction decision, and then some of the timing and non-recurring items accounted for about $26 million of GWP alone. We had about a 9-point kind of movement just relative to prior GWP. I think you had a little bit less. But in terms of the market conditions, I mean, clearly the market's been transitioning for several quarters now. We're seeing increased competition beyond property. And you can see that I think probably most evident in the overall rate change for the portfolio. So sometimes rate change jumps around from quarter to quarter, but we were at a higher single-digit range in Q1 and about 3% in Q2. So still positive, but moderating. And we felt the difference in the quarter. And I don't, you were asking for month to month. I'm not sure I can give you a sense in terms of how that moved from April through June. But fortunately, with the significant underwriting changes that we made over the past several years and the continual overlay of the performance monitoring, which we've put in place and has informed our decisions to exit certain classes, I feel the portfolio is in a much better position today to navigate changing market conditions and target-specific areas that we feel that we can grow profitably focused on underwriting margins. So the shift continues within the company and we continue to really focus on SME and smaller accounts. We believe they're more profitable across market cycles. For Q2 2026 over Q2 2025, our average account premium was down 22.9%, and that's while the rate increases for the portfolio as a whole were still positive. So you get a real sense for the shift in the size of the insurance in the portfolio, but also I think some of the pure premium headwinds when looking at prior. So, we think the trade-off makes sense, particularly in this phase of the market. We've analyzed historical loss ratios across the portfolio by premium band, and our history tells us that there's a comfortable, our view, double-digit spread in loss ratio points between business that we're targeting and, let's say, a company that's a little bit more upper middle market to larger accounts where the premiums drift, let's say, north of $500,000 or so. But, again, in terms of competition, I said it earlier, it's hard to deny that we're seeing general competition in the areas that we write increase. We've seen some business moving to the admitted markets, especially in property, but I wouldn't say necessarily at a concerning rate elsewhere across the book. Biggest competition remains from MGAs in front of facilities, particularly in excess property, and I would say in the excess or the general casualty space as well, so basically primary GL, but also from other E&S carriers and newer entrants into the space. We spent a little bit of time on property, but I think that's pretty well chronicled. I mean, in a nutshell, increased capacity supply over the last two years has well outpaced the growth or the need in the market, and the results pretty tangible. Rates are off significantly, and as an excess player, we see program layers being replaced with much larger stretches of primaries and some terms in addition pressure on deductibles. But I think the more recent development that we've seen really this year is in the general casualty space. And we talked a little bit about it in Q1. It's become exceptionally competitive and the pressures and competition differ regionally. So there are pricing pressures. I think the bigger concerns that we see are on the terms and conditions that the market has fought hard over the last several years to establish, particularly relative to assault and battery sublimits. But you pick a territory. In the Southeast, there's about 30 MGAs that are going hard after this business. So general casualty, excess property. I think those are some areas that we're going to be off our numbers in the quarter, but with good reason. That said, overall for the segment, submissions were up 4% in total in the quarter. Quotes were up overall. 10 of 13 underwriting departments increased quote count, and 7 of 13 increased binders overall. Again, just the business that we're writing is typically smaller account premium than we have traditionally. So generally, I don't feel the sector as a whole is in a very significant growth phase, but the areas that we feel most confidently about trying to profitably grow, I would say, are in the specialty division. So professional liability, allied health, energy, environmental come to mind. Our small business unit is a place that we feel we can grow. And in all those areas, we feel we've got a strong view relative to the historical underwriting margins, had a strong focus in their class. And then elsewhere, I think we'll still be able to push rate in certain areas like excess casualty, which is a big part of the book. Those are the areas that we're going to continue to focus on and push to offset some of what we're seeing in the marketplace, Mark.