Good morning. My name is Sam, and I will be your conference call facilitator today. Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Janus Henderson Group Second Quarter 2023 Results Briefing. All lines have been placed on mute to present any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period. In the interest of time, questions will be limited to one initial and one follow-up question. In today's conference call, certain matters discussed may constitute forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from the projected in the forward-looking statements due to the number of factors, including, but not limited to, those described in the forward-looking statements and risk factors section of the company's most recent Form 10-K and other more recent filings made in the SEC. Janus Henderson assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during this call. Thank you. Now, it’s my pleasure to introduce Ali Dibadj, Chief Executive Officer of Janus Henderson. Mr. Dibadj, you may begin your conference.

Welcome everyone, and thank you for joining us today on Janus Henderson Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. I'm Ali Dibadj, and I'm joined by our CFO, Roger Thompson. In today's call, I'll start with some thoughts on the quarter before handing over to Roger to run through more detail. After Roger's comments, I'll provide an update on our strategic initiatives, and then we'll take your questions after those prepared remarks. Turning to slide 2. Markets remain uncertain. And while second quarter and year-to-date market returns have been positive, the rally has been extremely narrow led by few megacap stocks. Persistent headwinds, including an opaque economic outlook, higher interest rates, uneven inflationary pressures, and recession fears notably in the UK and Continental Europe, are contributing to a difficult market backdrop. Even amidst macro challenges, we're very pleased that Janus Henderson continues to make progress, executing our strategy and again, delivering good quarterly results. Assets under management increased 4% to $322.1 billion due to positive markets and are up 12% since the beginning of the year. The quarterly flows were negative $500 million this quarter. While just negative, the result is the second best quarter in nearly three years. Taking a step back to look at the broader picture, our results this quarter, clearly shows significant improvement from where we were a year ago. Inflows for the first half of 2023 were $5 billion, a marked improvement from the $14 billion of outflows during the first six months of 2022. Let me just say that again. Last year in H1, we were sitting at negative $14 billion in net flows. Now, we're at a positive $5 billion in net flows clear progress. To remind you, we've also said that our flow trajectory won't be linear and we're not yet at the point…

Thank you, Ali, and thank you again to everyone for joining us on today's call. Turning to slide 3 and investment performance. Investment performance versus benchmark remained solid with over 60% of assets beating their respective benchmarks over all time periods. Short-term fixed income performance versus benchmark improved this quarter and the longer-term time periods remain very strong. Investment performance compared to peers continues to be competitively strong with 70%, 61%, 78% and 87% of AUM in the top two Morningstar quartiles over the one, three, five and 10-year time periods. Slide 4, shows company flows. As Ali mentioned, net outflows were $500 million this quarter, and while we're pleased with year-to-date flows compared to the prior year, our goal is to deliver consistent organic growth over time and we're not there yet. Based on the items that Ali discussed we wanted to provide an outlook for third quarter flows. As we sit here today, we expect net outflows in the third quarter to be in the range of negative $3.5 billion to negative $5 billion. Turning to slide 5 for a look at flows by client type. Net outflows for the intermediary channel were $1.6 billion compared to $700 million in the first quarter. The quarterly decline was primarily from the EMEA and LatAm regions as higher interest rates and recessionary fears are weighing on flows. This is not unique to Janus Henderson and the industry in general has experienced a challenging flow environment in those regions. US intermediary flows were virtually flat supported by strong positive flows in several strategies including the AAA CLO ETF, our mortgage-backed security ETF and US Mid-Cap growth. We told you before that US intermediary is a key initiative under our Protect & Grow strategic pillar and we're pleased that we've showed a…

Thanks Roger. Turning to slide 11. A reminder of our three strategic pillars of Protect & Grow our core businesses amplify our strengths not fully leveraged and diversify where clients give us the right to win. We are in the execution phase and we believe this strategic vision will lead to consistent organic revenue growth over time. In Protect & Grow, we've talked previously about the importance of protecting and growing our US intermediary business and have been investing in and supporting this channel. We've appointed a new Head of North America Client Group, launched a national brand campaign, selectively upgraded talent, aligned org structure and compensation with the growth strategy and increased wholesaler client engagement. Progress has been tangible. Significantly improved net positive flows into our adviser group is pleasing to see and has been offset by negative flows in the typically lumpy retirement channel, resulting in overall negative 1% annualized organic growth rate for the first half of 2023, at a strong progress compared to a negative 6% organic rate for all of 2022. As Roger mentioned, importantly, we are capturing market share in this channel. Under Amplify, we've previously talked about our institutional and diversified alternatives businesses. In the institutional business, which is almost $9 billion of positive flows year-to-date we've restructured coverage to be more aligned to different client types, helping us to better serve their needs through greater specialization. We've made many new appointments and other professionals are joining in the coming months. Diversified alternatives, which includes multi-strategy hedge funds and enhanced index funds has experienced 35% growth in AUM in the first six months of 2023. We also continue to launch new products and vehicles based on what our clients are telling us. For example in 2023, we've established a Global Property Equities fund…

Thank you [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Ken Worthington from JPMorgan. Ken, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. In relationship with Privacore, what are the Janus alternative products that seem best positioned to succeed with this relationship? I think you mentioned that Privacore is really a US-focused distribution strategy or platform. But I also think your biggest alternative products like Absolute Return are sort of registered in Europe. So what existing products seem better positioned to sell well on this platform? And how much assets do those products have today? And will you be developing new alternative products to kind of maximize this relationship?

Hi, Ken. Thanks very much for the question. So, look first off, we're very enthusiastic about the potential of Privacore. We firmly believe in the democratization of private alternatives and the broader democratization of sophisticated investment products. And we certainly believe that this is going to be a very exciting way that Janus Henderson, can participate in with our joint venture with Privacore. Because it does serve and this will start to answer your question, Privacore does serve to deliver on both ends of the value chain. A set of clients, who have told us that they want more access to alternative investment capabilities, but perhaps don't have the ability to have client service from those alternatives capability managers. On the flip side, the GPs, the actual investment managers want to get access to private wealth, given that $80 trillion of wealth is sitting there and that a lot of allocations are lower relative to where they should be from a broader alternative perspective. And so the investors want to get access there, but they don't have the scale to develop the client service that the clients need. So Privacore, sits right in the middle ,and answers both of those questions answers both of those needs. And coupled with the Janus Henderson brand, and our ability to reach out to the retail channel starting in the US, we think that's going to be a really interesting and exciting opportunity for us to deliver for our clients and for our shareholders. So, that's the broad view. Now to your question, very specifically Privacore, is an open architecture platform. Its point, it's value proposition, it's not just the client service part, but it's also selecting the best-in-class alternative asset managers, then deliver that to the client base that is in great need of access there. We may have products currently. You're exactly, right. If there's anything that's closest that will be in our liquid alternatives businesses. But right now, we don't have necessarily, the right products to Privacore, which is why it's open architecture, which is why the team of Privacore has a great experience that it has, in selecting the best culture of managers out there to deliver to the clients. Over time could we have more capabilities, that we can bring to clients via Privacore to your second part of your question? Absolutely. That's part of the plan. And in fact, having a relationship with Privacore legitimizes us even further, for potential M&A down the line in the liquid alternatives and illiquid alternatives area. Thanks for the question, Ken.

Okay. Yes. Understood. Maybe as a follow-up, outflows for the 3Q, you mentioned EMEA. Any rationale for the redemption or redemptions? And can you compare the fee rate to the assets being lost, versus the fee rate in the larger mandates that you've been winning in recent quarters?

So, let me start, and then pass it over to Roger, just to give you the context. So, look in our guidance for Q3, you'll see it's a little bit different than consensus not massively. We just want to make sure a few things. One is that, people don't just project forward the past couple of quarters of our delivery here, on net flows into Q3 and beyond. We said it, won't be linear. We've also mentioned last quarter and this quarter that, we have to replenish the pipeline. We certainly talked about intermediary being challenging. That's especially an EMEA comment for us particularly, in an environment where rates in that market are quite high. There's a lot of uncertainty about the economic outlook. EMEA intermediary seems to be pulling back, a little bit. And obviously, we're going through some transitions that are internal in nature that will make us a better firm for the longer term. What I would say though, is that we continue to see our market share look better and better versus peers. And if you take a step back for the year, we certainly expect significant improvement versus 2022 numbers, despite what we expect to be outflow in Q3. Now, let me hand over to Roger for more comments there or broader on the fee rate.

Yes, sure. Okay. Yes, I mean remember that last quarter, we told you that in the near-term, our success in institutional would impact the fee rate, because we were winning with those large sovereigns and insurance clients. But over time, we'd anticipate the stable fee margin as we execute the strategy. And importantly, we're not discounting business in order to win. I think when I look at our 10 largest strategies, our inflows and our outflows are actually at almost identical management fee levels. So, it's not a pricing story. It's around where the inflows have been. And in the first half of the year, we've been really pleased to see those sizable inflows in institutional, but we'd expect so that makes sense that the fee rate has fallen by about a basis point in Q2, but we'd expect that management fee rate to stabilize going forward.

Great. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Craig Siegenthaler from Bank of America. Craig, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Ali and congrats on another better-than-expected flow quarter. And it's also nice to see some of your stars returning like Marc Pinto. My question is on the flow side. I realize there were a few large institutional mandate wins in the second quarter number, but if you could really attribute two or three factors to the second better-than-expected net flow quarter in a row what would those factors be?

Look thanks, Craig. Look I think it's a culmination of a lot of things that we're doing at the firm and hopefully continued progress around that. So look, if I take a step back and we've been talking at least at this firm for the past call it 12 or 13 months, I would argue that we are -- I am very pleased about the progress that each and every person at Janus Henderson has done on behalf of our clients. I wouldn't exactly have expected this kind of progress. If you told me a year ago, we'd be where we are from a flow perspective think about it plus $5 billion first half of the year, this year in inflows relative to negative $14 billion last year. So I think there's a real improvement cycle there. And that has to your point translates results whether the EPS or flows, but underlying a little bit of that is a couple of things to your question. One is significantly uptick to client activity. So we've been talking to more clients. And frankly, I like, we like what we're hearing from clients. They want to do business with us. They're pleased that we're "back" on the radar screen. And that has filtered through. That has filtered through clients who were waiting and seeing what the transition would look like and they're pleased with what they see. They're giving us their vote of confidence and suggesting that we're very much on track in terms of our progress and our delivery to our clients, and that's culminating exactly as you described so far and good quarters of flows. Again I don't think we're out of the woods, I don't think that we can promise linear and positive flows going forward. But what we are seeing is real improvement from a market share perspective take US intermediary as an example. I mentioned in the prepared remarks that US intermediary business was at negative 6% last year, we're at negative 1% this year and that's really driven by some of the lumpiness in the retirement channel, as opposed to the core wholesaler-driven intermediary business. So you're seeing tangible progress here. And again, I think it's built up on a lot of the great work that the team has done over the past year and we'd like to see that continue. I wouldn't expect it as Roger mentioned to continue into Q3 particularly, given we're not assuming large institutional inflows in Q3 at this point. It's really focused on intermediary and we have also mentioned obviously the intermediary challenges that we have in EMEA that in the macro environment there is -- feels like it's a little bit on a lag in terms of improvement relative to the US. So hopefully that answers the question Craig. There's a whole bunch of things that point us in the right direction.

Helpful Ali. My second one is on the momentum you've been seeing with your insurance clients. And I want to get a read on the appetite for Janus to take this one step further and form a partnership with an insurance company that could provide strategic benefits to both parties? I know you have a lot of experience with it.

So look we think that there's a real opportunity to provide our skill sets to a broader insurance clientele. We have very strong clients in the insurance market right now that we've had long-standing relationships with. And we're actually increasing the number of insurance clients that we have very sophisticated global insurance clients, most recently particularly in Europe, where we have been able to deliver for them, and we believe that we have the skill set to deliver them even further. You're right that historically, I've had some interactions with insurance companies and relationships there that have been mutually beneficial, and we have been quite active in speaking with insurance companies and seeing if there's something that we can do together with them. There's nothing to talk about today. Again, we're focused on our clients and our clients' clients, whether it be insurance clients or otherwise, we think we can continue to deliver great product to them from performance perspective and a client service perspective on the strong foundation Janus Henderson has and broadening that client base insurance and otherwise is certainly part of our focus.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Dan Fannon from Jefferies. Dan, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning. Wanted to follow-up on a comment you made around the pockets of internal transition I think impacting flows. So maybe talk about some of the headlines we've seen, but ultimately where you are in this process? And as you think about the guidance for 3Q for flows, how much of that potential disruption as part of that? And whether you think that's going to continue for a few more quarters thereafter?

Dan, thanks very much for the question. So look the transitions are specifically things that we're doing that may increase volatility in the short-term for sure, but are definitely the right things for the future and the right things for the future particularly for our clients. All of these transitions at least the ones that are control or client led. And so far as our clients entrust us to manage their well-being, their money and we want to take that responsibility even more seriously than we have before and very much make sure that when we're managing the money we're entirely focused on managing their money from a colleague and employee perspective. The specific transitions are going to be surgical very focused on delivering again for client needs and they typically take two flavors of broad transitions. One is and every company needs to do this whether it be in our industry or other industries look at the products that they have and look at them to make sure that performance expectations are being met compliance making sure that there is real growth in those businesses making sure there's real profitability in those businesses overall. We've done the bulk of that to your question from a Fuel for Growth perspective already, but there are a few stragglers here and there. The easiest decisions are when things don't meet performance and aren't particularly big and clients don't like it those are some easy decisions, but some of the other decisions come through as well when only one or two of those criteria are met. The bulk of that again as I mentioned have been done. What I would say is there's a second flavor, obviously, which is more typical right? So typical turnover in this industry which happens quite a bit. Just I'd ask you to think about your client base and how that turns over. We've been fortunate Janus Henderson that we had less than industry turnover across the board for us, but we have turnover nonetheless. Typically those things are retirements that are expected. Usually there is lots of time to manage that. And the great news is that because we have really great tenure and we have 330 investment professionals around we have long-standing processes that each of the investment teams hold to. We have risk overlays, we have portfolio construction tools, we have all sorts of other things that make the transition even more seamless let alone obviously a very clear succession plan in bench. We believe that these transitions will be somewhat seamless across the board. And again over and over again, they're going to be in our client led in every instance that we can deliver.

Thanks for that. I appreciate the color. And then another kind of clarification of your kind of longer-term view of one to two positive quarters over the next one to two years for flows. And so thinking about institutional being the swing factor and then having as we think about intermediary showing steadily improving in the US and still may be challenged in outside the US and direct kind of being stable just trying to think about how you think about that progression in that scenario of one to two positive quarters over the next one to two years?

Yes. So look just to clarify even further the -- remember that the first quarter of this year was positive and we anticipate one to two more quarters between this year and next year. We've established our strategic road map we're focused on the longer term. We're implementing that strategy with a revamped and a very focused team and the strategic plan has taken hold. To your point, we're seeing progress in these intermediary channel. We're seeing progress in institutional. We've had $9 billion of net institutional flows this year. Again, we can't -- don't want to project that going forward. There's a long cycle for those but certainly the signs are positive. In other areas, where we're focused like diversified alternatives we've seen 35% growth in the first part of this year. All those things are very much pointing us in the right direction. What I would say is, and you know this better than anybody right, this isn't going to necessarily be linear and we've said that before. So we can't yet promise consistent organic growth. We can see significant improvements certainly relative to last year. We believe, we're on our way to sustainable organic growth, but I don't want to overpromise at this point, given to your points on the challenges in EMEA and some of the lack of clarity at this point in the pipeline that we have on the institutional side.

Thank you. That’s helpful.

Our next question comes from Nigel Pittaway from Citigroup. Nigel, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks, very much. Just a quick question if I could on the comp ratio guidance. So obviously, you've had I think 50.1% first quarter, 45.6% second quarter, but you're still guiding to the mid-40s. So that obviously implies that it does come down a bit in the last two quarters, is that a reasonable assumption?

Yes, that's reasonable Nigel. The first quarter is always high given timings particularly in the US, but that guidance of mid-40s still applies.

Right. So, presumably that means, it's going to come through the comp expense, right because, your LTIP guidance really hasn't moved. So, is that the way I'm looking at it?

Yes.

Okay. Yes. All right. And then a similar vein, just on the tax rate, obviously, you're reiterating that at 24% to 26% even that it's 22.2% this quarter? And any reason why it was particularly low this quarter and reverts back up again?

Yes. It's really that how it's calculated. You need to exclude the NCI. If you exclude NCI, our ETR in the second quarter is 23.9%. So, it's basically at the lower end of our guidance of 24% to 26%. And again, I'd stick with that guidance of 24% to 26%.

Okay. Great. Thanks.

Our next question comes from John Dunn from Evercore ISI. John, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Good morning guys. You talked about EMEA and some of the drag there. But can you just talk about, maybe, where you're seeing gross sales overseas, both regionally and then strategy-wise?

Sure. So, look, we are seeing a significant pickup in institutional business overseas, particularly in actually the EMEA region. I mentioned earlier on large institutional clients in the insurance world entrusting us with their and their policyholder's capital. Hopefully we'll be good stewards of that. Similarly, very, very sophisticated sovereign wealth funds, for example in the Middle East have looked to us for help. We're very proud to serve them and their citizens. And we're finding also in Asia, some interest from the institutional side as well and also intermediary flows looking relatively better in those regions. The core kind of issue for us as we mentioned before is in the intermediary space. And again, we are setting ourselves up for when the wind is at our backs with increased activity, with great products, with fantastic performance, with great world-class service from our salespeople. Right now, the win is at everybody's space including ours. The good news is, even in that market, we're not losing share. In fact, I would argue we're gaining a little bit of share in that marketplace. So again, we're setting ourselves up for the future. But the macro headwinds are clearly there in the EMEA intermediary area and we just want to remind for that.

John, if I can add to that. If you look on slide 5, you can see the gross flows in intermediary are pretty constant at around $9 billion. So, as Ali said, we've seen very significant improvement year-on-year in the North American intermediary flows, which for Q1 and Q2 are basically flat compared to $3 billion and $2 billion out in the first couple of quarters of last year. And in EMEA, both in the UK and on the continent outflows. It is a tough market as Ali said. But again, we think we're at least holding and possibly taking a little bit of market share in what is a very tough market.

Right. Okay. Cool. And then, you have a lot of experience building in business, Ali and the JV is definitely a step in the right direction. Can you kind of frame, what you think the next couple of years of building that out could be?

Absolutely. So we are very, very involved as I've mentioned over the past several quarters and we saw each other live as well in the M&A landscape on private credit. I think, one has to make sure from an institution perspective from Janus Henderson perspective, what one’s skill sets are and what can do inorganically organically or through some combination of partnership. From an investment skill set perspective in the private world particularly -- in a private credit world, we do think, John, that M&A has to be part of the story. So we've been very active in the M&A landscape. I will suffice it to say, any deal you've seen occur big or small, we've looked at. The M&A team has been very active and very strong looking through this. And if we're not involved in the final culmination of a deal, it's because of our decision either on valuation or potential to grow or fit with our business from a cultural perspective or client need. And so we would expect M&A to continue to factor into growing our private credit business whether it’d be through partnerships like a Privacore or wholly owned businesses in private credit, but we have to make sure most importantly it's the right team to deliver for our clients. The flexibility we have just to remind everybody is very easy to see if you look at our balance sheet. So we have real ability to leverage our balance sheet to grow -- to acquire inorganically and grow in that way. And then, of course the value that we bring inclusive of Privacore, is our distribution capabilities to grow any M&A partners that we sign and targets that we bring on board both, in the retail channel in the US and globally as well as the institutional channel on a global basis. So, we would only buy things we think we can grow and we will only do it at the right price. And of course, of course, probably the most important thing I think I mentioned this a couple of quarters ago, we'll only do it if the cultural fit is there i.e. investment focus and client-led.

Thanks very much.

Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Henning from CLSA.

Thanks and good morning. I just had two questions. Firstly, thinking about your net flows, if we're thinking about gross sales versus redemptions in the past couple of quarters at a high level at least look like you've seen improving trends in redemptions. Is there anything deliberate that you've done in there or is that simply an outcome around of market trends et cetera? And going forward, how are you thinking about that?

So let me start and maybe pass it over to Roger. So, I think there are a couple of things that are going on from redemptions perspective for sure. One of them is we have certainly delivered better performance consistently across the board and better performance from a long-term perspective most importantly. And that is being recognized more and more as we talk to clients better performance over the longer term, yes or maybe expect the volatility across that and you may have seen that last year for example where it was quite a unique market with bonds and stocks going down to significant amounts. But over the long term we can deliver that performance and I think that's something that clients are seeing and entrusting us with. So, the short-term volatility and performance, Anthony, doesn't really impact the redemption as much. The second thing is that clients were waiting and seeing a little bit in terms of what the changes are at this organization and change is often a worrisome term for clients. But I think what clients are realizing is that the change that we're making here is for them. The change that we're making here for Janus Henderson is for our clients and we can certainly deliver stability, but I don't agree to any client to deliver stagnation because it's not good for them. So the changes that we're going about here I think are seeing very, very positively. The last thing I'd say before I hand it over to Roger is that our client service folks are talents that we have in the field that are interacting face-to-face with clients are thinking about our clients our clients’ clients are world-class and continue to be improved from a talent perspective as we bring more and more people in. I think that goes a long way to delivering on our clients' needs and thus curtailing some of the redemption. So I'd argue those three points performance, waiting on the positive change that they're now seeing and the client service personnel that we have and the upgrade that we brought to bear. Roger I don't know if you have more detail maybe to bring to bear to Anthony.

Yeah the same points, but as you said a little bit more detail. If you remember our small and mid-cap growth performance in the US was pretty challenged in ‘21 and bounced back very strongly in '22 and you can see that the strength of those numbers now. Flows take a little bit longer to term, but it's really pleasing to see small cap growth is positive in flows this quarter. Interestingly balanced, which is our biggest capability -- biggest single capability about $40 billion again, had a tough first part of 2022 perhaps. But again, as I said earlier is, now ahead of benchmark and right up there in top quartiles for 1 3 5 10 and even longer time periods for balance. That's still an outflow. Again, these things take a little bit of time to turn. So hopefully, that will also recover in the same way as we've seen with small- and mid-cap growth. And our European equity performance is also strong. And then as Ali said, it's really around activity and getting in front of clients. But I think, flows do tend to follow performance and that strength of performance that we've seen has certainly shown coming through in small- and mid-cap growth.

Great. Thanks for that. Can I ask also a follow-up question, just around your dual listing on the Australian exchange? It looks like currently, you only have about 5.5% of your shares listed on the ASX, which is a decline of around about 25% just four years ago. How you think -- how are you thinking about maintaining this dual listing? How costly is it for you to maintain this?

Yes. But the ASX listing has been a long and valued part of our ownership structure for many years. But yes, I think it's currently at a low point. But as I said, it's been a very valuable holding for a long period of time.

Okay. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Marcus Barnard from Bell Potter. Marcus, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Yes. Thank you. And congratulations on our upbeat, set of figures and an upbeat performance. I'm going to ask about your levels of cash on the balance sheet if I may, which looking at Slide 10 have reached $966 million. I suppose the question is, what's the right level of cash for your business? I think you've talked about acquisitions in response to John's question and perhaps we're expecting some small bolt-on acquisitions in the future. But where do we think that cash level will get to? And as a follow-on, when do you expect to start to increase dividend or reinstate the buyback? Thanks.

Thanks, Marcus. Yes. I mean, the first thing is, yes, we have a strong balance sheet and we don't make any excuse for that. It's something that positions us well to do some of those activities that Ali's talked about. They are things we want to do. And the Board and the company's capital philosophy, hasn't changed at all. We've taken an active disciplined approach to the management of cash. Obviously, -- we obviously, we're earning more on that cash now as well. But we have a hierarchy of needs in terms of the regulatory needs of the business, the working cap of the business and then how we invest both organically and inorganically in the business. And that's where we think there could potentially be opportunities for now, as Ali has talked about. So, the dividend we would still say is, it's a healthy dividend. But what we will continue to do is manage the balance sheet prudently, but in the same way as we always have we're not here to hold cash. If we don't have a better use of it, we will think about returning it. But at the moment, we see real opportunities to invest in the business as I say both, organically and inorganically and we'll support that with a strong healthy quarterly dividend.

Excellent. Thank you very much

And there are no further questions. I will hand back to the management team for any closing remarks.

Well, thank you, operator. Thanks Sam, and thanks everybody for joining today. Janus Henderson is clearly gifted, with a solid foundation. Our core team is nearly fully in place. The plan is in motion and hopefully, this is another quarter where you're seeing some of our clear progress based on those factors. Thanks, for joining and we'll talk to you a little bit.

This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.