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John B. Sanfilippo & Son, Inc. (JBSS)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 27, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the John B. Sanfilippo & Son Inc. Third Quarter Fiscal 2016 Operating Results Conference Call. My name Whitley and I will be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Mike Valentine, Chief Financial Officer. Please proceed.

Michael Valentine

Analyst

Thank you, Whitley. Good morning, everyone and welcome to our 2016 third quarter earnings conference call. Thank you for joining us today. On the call with me is Jeffrey Sanfilippo, our CEO and Jasper Sanfilippo, our COO. Before we get started, we want to remind you we may make some forward-looking statements today. These statements are based on our current expectations and they involve certain risks and uncertainties. The factors that could negatively impact results are explained in the various SEC filings that we have made, including Forms 10-K and 10-Q. We encourage you to refer to these filings to learn more about these risks and uncertainties that are inherent in our business. Starting with the income statement, net sales for the third quarter of fiscal 2016 increased by 3% to $215.7 million compared to net sales for the third quarter of last year of $209.4 million. The increase in net sales was attributable to a 6% increase in sales volume which is measured as pounds sold to customers. Sales volume increased for all of our major product types except almonds, snack and trail mixes and walnuts. The sales volume increased in all distribution channels except the export channel. Sales volume increased in the consumer channel came entirely from increased sales of our branded products. Sales volumes for Fisher recipe nuts was up 25.6% mainly from competitively lower prices at retail, new distribution gains and increased Easter holiday promotional activity Sales volume for Fisher snack nuts and peanut butter was up 55% due to increased promotional activity at retail and new distribution gains. Sales volume for our Orchard Valley Harvest and Sunshine Country produce products was up 23.4% mainly from new distribution gains. Sales volume also increased significantly for Fisher Nut Exactly snack bites due to distribution gains secured after…

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst

Thank you Mike, good morning everyone. It was a record third quarter in topline sales as we experienced significant growth across our Fisher, Orchard Valley Harvest and Sunshine Country branded products. In respect to pound sales at retail, these brands showed strong performance in the quarterly comparison according to markup data from IRI. Our sales, marketing and customer solutions teams have done a great job expanding distribution, optimizing increased promotion on advertising spending and servicing our key retail partners. As I mentioned in the previous quarter's earnings release, we are facing significant decreases in commodity cost for walnuts and almonds. Consequently continuing to drive meaningful sales volume growth as we did in the current third quarter will be a critical factor in generating increased net sales and gross profit in future quarters. We have strong success stories with our brands to take to retailers and I believe we are well positioned to continue to gain new distribution and market share. Mike already commented on the declining gross profits mainly attributed to walnuts. As was the case for the entire walnut industry, we began our third quarter with a larger than normal walnut carryover at high prices. Now that we have sold that inventory, the significant decline in the acquisition cost of the 2015 walnut crop to put us in a strong position to fund promotional spending to drive sales volume increases for Fisher recipe nuts and to improve gross profit margin and gross profit for walnuts in future quarters. Turning to sales reviews by channel year-to-date, in the first 39 weeks of fiscal 2016, net sales in the consumer distribution channel increased by 5.8% in dollars and 1.9% in sales volume. The sales volume increase was driven entirely by increased sales by brand and products. In the first 39 weeks…

Michael Valentine

Analyst

Great, thank you Jeff. At this time, we will now open the call to questions. Whitley, can you please queue up the first question?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Francesco Pellegrino with Sidoti and Company. Please proceed.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

Don't want to harp too much on what happened with walnuts, I thought you explained it pretty well in the press release. What I do want to touch on was - you say walnut profitability was down $3 million, but walnuts represented just 8% of net sales. And I know 8% of net sales is obviously a dollar figure, it's not insight into your volume, it represented just 11% of net sales in the year ago period. You mentioned that walnut volume sales were down this quarter, lower walnut volume sales this quarter and lower shelling of walnuts reduced the walnut shelling absorption benefit. I'm just left here wondering, if maybe you might have lost money on walnuts given that they represent such a - one of the smaller product types in regards to sales where the business - even though you are vertically integrated for walnut.

Michael Valentine

Analyst

No, Francesco. We did not lose money on walnuts. It simply was a decline in gross profit margin.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

When you think about how you spend trade spending during the quarter, was more of it allocated to walnuts?

Michael Valentine

Analyst

Jeff, you want to take that?

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst

Yes. I would say Francesco that a lot of it was, I won't say the majority was, but there were some promotional activity focused on walnuts.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

Okay.

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst

There is a percentage - yes, go ahead.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

No. If you have anything left on walnuts, I was going to move on.

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst

Yes. I don't know what the specific percentage is or what that trade spend was, but I would say, it was pretty diverse across all the nut types.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

With everything we just saw with walnuts, walnut prices down a lot. We're seeing a market for pecans that is still relatively elevated. Why is - is there a reason why with what we just saw with walnuts won't necessarily happen with pecans or could it happen with pecans going forward? And you are vertically integrated for walnuts. So the concern is if what it just happened for walnut happens with pecans? Watch out because it looks as if you might start to eat a lot of gross profit dollars in trying to push this - this three-nut product out to retail.

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst

So the answer to question on vertical integration, Francesco, we're - it's very consistent and there are vertical integration with pecans versus walnuts. So there is no differentiation there. We are seeing the reverse on pecans where the market is actually going up and not coming down like it is so dramatically on walnuts. So a little bit different scenario there. To tell the opportunity with walnuts now is to gain market share and build that distribution back up again. We saw some consumption declines in wallets over the last couple of years because of the higher prices at retail. And so we anticipate once retailer start reflecting lower prices on the shelf, which they're just starting now. We haven't seen a lot of it, but we are just starting to see it. We'll see that consumption grown.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

Okay.

Michael Valentine

Analyst

Francesco, let me just add to that. The big difference is that the recent rise in pecan prices to near record levels is actually being driven by a very small pecan crop. And we actually have bought significantly lower amount of pecans this year than we have in prior years. So the risk of us having a carryover really beyond November and what could potentially be a falling market is pretty remote.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

So you just said that you're not necessarily long pecans, but the overall crop for pecan is relatively small. So it seems like it's more of a supply issue. So then based upon everything that you're saying, I think you can make the reference that pecan prices could remain elevated or even trend higher. If they start trending higher and you're short in pecan inventory then you're going out on the open market, buying more expensive pecan.

Michael Valentine

Analyst

Right.

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst

If it's possible - yes, go ahead Mike.

Michael Valentine

Analyst

I was going to say that of the quantity of pecans we bought based on our forecast should cover as well into next fall as the new crop comes in.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

Okay.

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst

And I would also add, Francesco, you're going to see such a big gap between walnuts and pecans this year, price wise and the shelf year. We almost can guarantee or anticipate you'll see some consumption stress from pecans to walnuts.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

Okay. So walnut could actually start becoming a greater percentage of your next sales given just as the discrepancy in pricing? Okay, so I asked you about trade spending during the third quarter, help me understand – what's trade spending looking like during the fourth quarter right now? Is it in line with last year or are you more aggressively trade spending for certain nuts?

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst

With the lower decrease in walnut pricing and walnut acquisition costs, we do anticipate pretty strong promotions in the fourth quarter from a promotional spend for walnuts.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

Why do you need to increase trade spending? I would think that lower pre-nut prices should always sell themselves when consumer see that they are able to buy twice as much walnuts at this point in the year as they were compared to a year earlier. I would think that almost that psychological barrier would sell itself instead of having to push this into customers faces?

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst

Well, part of the goal of the promotional trade spend is to get more distribution and get more products on the floor, so increase our shipper displays, increase places in the retailer, that’s where it goes.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

Okay. So the issue with the walnuts this year was obviously just due to how much inventory you had built up. I noticed in your press release that you stated that the average weighted cost per pound of input stock and I think that's raw input stock was down about 16.3% from a year earlier. In your 10-Q I see that the filing although your overall inventory is down about 9.2%, your raw material input stock is actually up 3%, so if I take this 3% that your raw materials are up, and I think that the fact that your average cost per pound is down 16.3%, is it fair to assume that you’re sitting on about 20% more volume in raw input stocks than a year earlier.

Michael Valentine

Analyst

I don’t know if the math works exactly like that but we’re certainly sitting on more walnuts than we were a year ago. Now it’s just because we’re getting a bit of a late start on shelling the 2015 crop.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

One of the things that - you just said that you were sitting on more walnuts, you didn’t get a walnut shelling benefit this quarter, walnut prices are down approximately 50%, is it fair to say that the walnut shelling absorption benefit that you receive in the fourth quarter and in fiscal 2017 should actually be greater than what it has been in prior years and especially in the fourth quarter because you didn’t do that much walnut shelling in the third quarter. So a lot of it is going to be occurring last quarter of the year?

Michael Valentine

Analyst

It’s like probably more like Q1 of next year because we’re going to finish up later than we normally do.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst

Okay. I will jump back in the queue but I got a couple more questions, if someone else is in line so.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Brett Hundley with BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Brett Hundley

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Hi, thank you, good morning gentleman. Thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to follow on that line of questioning with promotional efforts in walnuts and I ask this question respectfully, I just - am curious if that’s the right strategy given the competitive dynamic in the walnut space here in the United States where it’s very mature, very consolidated. There is a fairly large private label component and so why choose the promotional route? I understand you're looking for more distribution but I would expect that your competitor is going to push back pretty hard on share and so my concern is that when you have all this margin upside potential just from your commodity declining, why not aim to hold price and manage for margin, why manage for the volume push?

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed.

So it would be one thing if there wasn’t a long inventory of walnuts in the industry that strategy would work but because there is still a long position with a lot of manufacturers in the industry, the DMC has got to move the inventory of 2015 crop now. So if we just held pricing in margined up which we plan to do in some respect you wouldn’t move that big inventory. And so there is kind of accommodation of supply demand that we need to continue to move more inventory up walnuts. You’ll see that reflected but as I mentioned before the comp price will be so much higher than walnut's, I think you're right, naturally we will see an increase in consumption but there is still a large inventory in the industry of walnuts that need to be moved.

Brett Hundley

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Okay. That's fair. And as you think about margin targets, I apologize if you've given us previously but as you think about your strategy and the overall industry's strategy to move product, do you yourselves have gross margin targets for your business or even gross margin targets for your walnuts business. Are there any other certain level where you could say, you know what, we’re going to push on promotion, we need to move this crop, but we really don't want to drop below a 12% or 13% or 14% consolidated margin. We want to keep X margin on our walnut business, 7%, 8%, 9%, 10% margin on our walnut business. Can you talk to that at all?

Michael Valentine

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Brett, this is Mike. Generally when we see significant changes in class and as we plan out our pricing strategy, the goal is to increase gross profit dollars not necessarily lowering or raising margins.

Brett Hundley

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Okay. That's good to hear. And then just one other question for me, can you describe to me in the sense within the marketplace of desire for additional assets? If indeed shelling assets were to come up for sale do you or others view them attractively? Do you believe that there is a marketplace for those assets? I appreciate it.

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed.

You’re talking about actually vertically integration shelling operations, walnut, almond, pecan?

Brett Hundley

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Yes sir.

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed.

So we would not be – I won’t be part of our strategic focus to expand our shelling operations. We've got great facilities in Texas, California, North Carolina, Georgia. Their corporate headquarters is Arlington. They are not at capacity, so that would not be a priority for us at this time.

Brett Hundley

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Okay. Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Francesco Pellegrino with Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

All right, back again guys. One thing - maybe just a follow up on Brett's questioning in regards to the level of appeal for vertical integration to you guys. Brett and I both cover some producers in the poultry phase and what we are seeing right now with retailers like Cosco, as Cosco becoming vertically integrated for poultry production. When I think about just a long term plan for JBSS, it seems that it would be very attractive to a larger industry player that would like to get into maybe private label although the private label business didn't really – didn't do that well without [indiscernible]. Is there a level of appeal that maybe a retailer would look to maybe look at acquiring business like you to roll up into a lot more of these retailers look to become vertically integrated for fresh produce?

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

So Francesco, we haven't had that call yet from anybody. So it's hard to say. We have seen Cosco as a vertically integrated getting into more packaging and manufacturing themselves for different products for their current signature brand. We have not seen anything roll up or any questions come to manufacturers like ourselves in that respect.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Okay. Just want to touch back again on your inventory position. So when we last talked, raw material and supplies are up 3%. Total inventories are down 9% but your work in process in finished goods were I think a majority of the concern would be with investors if you’re having any more exposure to old walnut harvest which obviously you claim you have already cleared, or maybe high price almond from the last harvest. Work in process is down 20% year-over-year. Could you just give us a little bit more color in regards to what work in process and the finished good is looking like, maybe I know you won’t disclose the volume but maybe the composition blends are you more weighted towards walnuts which I wouldn’t think you would be because you have much of that already off of the balance sheet from the old harvest. Just what your working process is looking like?

Michael Valentine

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Francesco, this is Mike. At this time of the year we tend to see our finished goods and work in process shipped away from recipe nuts and more towards snack nuts.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

And when it moves more towards snack nuts what type of pre-nut composition are we looking at?

Michael Valentine

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

It’s going to be mixed nuts, cashews and peanuts and 12 mixes.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Okay. So the only nuts that you are vertically integrated for would be peanuts, so we’re not seeing that much peanut pricing volatility. So it's fair to assume that pricing - that your work in progress inventory isn’t that much of a concern like it was a couple of quarters ago with walnuts?

Michael Valentine

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Right.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Okay. Almond, another market that’s been quickly free falling. Could you maybe just talk over the past couple of quarters where your purchasing patterns have been for almonds as you try to put more almond on - into inventory where you would press it when they were down 10% because I think now just based on some of the almond shellers that I have been talking to prices are down 45% to 50% year-over-year. If you were aggressively buying maybe when almonds were down 10%, maybe looking back now doesn't look as if it would have been that great of a decision, maybe you weren’t that aggressive. Just where were your almonds purchasing patterns over the past couple of quarters?

Michael Valentine

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Actually over the past probably 2 or 3 years we basically have been covering one quarter at a time, just because of the volatility. And I believe we're going to continue to do that.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Is there a price point that you guys might get a little bit more aggressive at given how much almond prices have been coming in?

Michael Valentine

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

No, we’re getting pretty close to that. Some of the prices on some of the grades I’ve been told are starting to approach our growers cost of production which in our minds is probably the bottom. And as we knew that on certain grades, we will extend that coverage out. Keep in mind that the crop here is going to end at the end of September, so there really aren’t that many more months left in the crop year to cover.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Okay. When you just think about all the dynamics in the treenut and peanut space, average strong prices per pound should be coming in, average costs per pound should be coming in and looks as if you have some really strong volume growth in the quarter to maintain - I guess gross profit dollars, you’re going to need to sell more volume and I know you guys were the industry leaders at least in my opinion when it came to packaging initiative, moving the industry away from canisters and more towards standup packaging. So really get this volume growth onto retailer shelves and I think it might mean you have to talked about this little bit offline, you’re going to need some larger packaging, if walnut costs are going to be down about 50% year-over-year that means that the consumer can almost buy twice as much walnut poundage as they could in an earlier period. I would think that your packaging initiatives are going to be changing pretty drastically?

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Yes Francesco, this is Jeff, I was just going to still add that we already are starting that. We have implemented that actually a couple of months ago looking at different larger pack sizes for walnuts specifically and the potential is there for almonds too to upsize some of the almond packages with lower acquisition costs. So we already started that process.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Is there any pushback with besides like for example, if you are selling one pound tubs of walnuts and you moved to two pounds, I’m sorry not tubs - but one pound standup packages of walnut and you moved to two pounds standup packages of walnut. Obviously you can fit your packages on the shelves basically at possibly the same price point that you were selling those walnuts at a year earlier and that you might not get as much velocity on those shelves as you would like?

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Well because of retail prices potentially could be very similar to where they were last year, but your - consumers are buying an extra pound in some cases. I think you'll also see that velocity is fairly strong. And then I mentioned earlier the merchandising is so important to get more pounds on the floor so even though you might not have two-pound bag on the shelf everyday and the retailers at special promotional prices would make room somewhere on the floor with those special promotions.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Just from - help me out a little bit with modeling. When I look to model your business, one of the things that I've noticed over the past couple of years is you keep very little cash on the balance sheet. And due to the fact that whatever excess cash that you have used to pay down your revolving credit facility, which is obviously very seasonal. When we move into this period of time in which you have these three nuts across the board pricing just collapsing, the historical trend of not keeping a lot of cash on the balance sheet it's sort of hard to keep that trend going forward because your revolving credit facility, the amount of money you got to put on that is a lot less because you're financing it with on the lower price commodity product. So - model elsewhere I think there are some significant cash bills. I know, Jeffrey, last quarter you discussed the opportunity to acquire some brand. Obviously, you guys have been increasing the size of your special dividend since you initiated it five or six years ago. What would you guys like to do with some of the excess cash that you could potentially be putting on your balance sheet?

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

We're always, Francesco, looking at acquisitions. There's has been a couple of companies that we have looked at. Nothing has made complete sense for us, either from a pricing standpoint or from a strategic synergies, but so acquisitions are always out there. And obviously dividends are important, we believe, for our shareholders, so it's something that we're going to look at again in the future. Those will be the two areas.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

I know you guys have relatively low shares outstanding based - shares repurchases, something you visit, consider?

Michael Valentine

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Francesco, we actually as a Board did review that about two years ago. And we came to the conclusion that, because our public float is so low, it's a little over 8 million shares. To reduce that any further, I would probably restrict volume and consequently have a negative impact on our share price.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

That definitely makes sense. When you consider levering up the balance sheet to may be significantly increase the size of the special dividend in a specific year could we potentially see a quarterly dividend being initiated, something equal to like some of the commodity players issue special dividend equal like one third of their net income on any - in any quarter in which they're profitable. Can we almost interpret the annual special dividend that you guys have been issuing as may be indicative of where maybe a quarterly dividend could come into the thinking of the Board going forward?

Michael Valentine

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

I wouldn't rule out paying more than one dividend per year, but it is critical for us to make that decision near the end of the summer as a Board. When we have good visibility as to how many nuts we're going to buy, especially peanuts, pecans and walnuts and what they're going to cost. So that basically takes top priority and how we use our borrowing availability. And then lately in second place would be dividend. So the timing of what we've been doing in recent years is pretty critical in that respect.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

All right. And my last question was, Jeffery, you had mentioned that you're always considering acquisitions. Your treenut and peanut business expanding with some of your branded products like Fisher Nut Exactly. I might have asked this in the past, but how comfortable are you of sort of going out of the core business? And look when you think a couple years ago, you had Hershey's acquired Krave Jerky. Would you consider a potato chip? Would you consider a beef jerky? Or is this just a free nut and a peanut story? And you would javelin some of maybe the other snacking category, new snacks for you at least.

Jeffrey Sanfilippo

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

Sure. A big question, I would say that we are mainly focused on nut-based snacking and ingredients. That would be our first priority. I wouldn't say we are not looking outside of our snacking outside of a category for nuts. If it's close enough in to the snacking consumer that we already know about wouldn't be completely unheard of. But first priority would be a nut-based either snack or some kind of component that has a nut or peanut in it.

Francesco Pellegrino

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed

All right, perfect. Thanks again guys.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions in queue.

Michael Valentine

Analyst

Okay. Since there are no further questions, at this time, we're going to end our call and we thank everyone for their interest in JBSS. And please have a nice day. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.