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Janus International Group, Inc. (JBI)

Q2 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 10, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Hello, and welcome to Janus International Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Currently, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Mr. John Rohlwing, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A. Thank you. You may begin, Mr. Rohlwing.

John Rohlwing

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining our second quarter 2023 earnings conference call. We hope that you have seen our earnings release issued this morning. Please note that we have also posted a presentation in support of this call, which can be found in the Investors section of our website at janusintl.com. As a reminder, today's conference call may include forward-looking statements regarding the company's future plans and prospects. These statements are based on our current expectations and we undertake no duty to update them. It is important to note that the company's actual results may differ materially from those anticipated. Factors that could cause actual results to differ from anticipated results are contained in the company's latest earnings release and periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and we encourage you to review those factors carefully. In addition, we will be discussing or providing certain non-GAAP financial measures today, including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted net income and adjusted EPS. Please see our earnings release and filings for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures. I'm joined today by our Chief Executive Officer, Ramey Jackson, who will provide an overview of our business and give an operations update; and our Chief Financial Officer, Anselm Wong, who will continue with a discussion of our financial results and outlook before we open up the call for your questions. At this point, I will turn the call over to Ramey.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. The momentum we established to start the year accelerated in the second quarter, resulting in record financial results that position us to deliver another year of outstanding performance across the platform. Customer demand for our products and solutions continue to be robust as the long-term bullish fundamentals we see across our end markets show resilience against an uncertain economic backdrop. Specifically, the demand from facility owners, driven by high occupancy rates and fundamental shifts in their customers' behavior, continues on both the New Construction and R3 side of the business. Our backlog and visibility into our end markets gives us the confidence to once again raise our outlook for the year and positions us to achieve our longer-term goals for revenue growth and margin. I would like to thank all of our employees without whom our continued strong performance and success wouldn't be possible. Now turning to some specific thoughts around the quarter. Janus' record second quarter operational and financial results included solid year-over-year gains in revenues, dramatic margin improvement, further deleveraging and solid cash generation. The fundamentals inherent throughout the industry that fuel investment decisions by our customers to add much needed capacity are happening both through new construction and conversions and expansions. Our Noke Smart Entry system had another strong quarter, as we continue to ramp our capabilities and expand our market penetration. We ended second quarter with approximately 230,000 total installed units, representing nearly 39% growth year-to-date. Our Smart Access Solution, headlined by Noke, represents the best our industry has to offer, and we are excited by both the accelerating adoption of its use and the future it has in store. Now shifting to the financial highlights for the quarter. We delivered consolidated revenue of $270.6 million, an increase of…

Anselm Wong

Analyst

Thanks, Ramey, and good morning, everyone. In the second quarter, revenue of $270.6 million was up 9.2% compared to the prior-year quarter. New Construction led the way and was up 33.9%, while R3 was up 7.6% and Commercial & Other was 9.3% lower versus the prior-year quarter. We continued to show a good mix and diversity and stability from our offerings as evidenced by our revenue mix for the quarter, which continues to be well balanced across our three sales channels. Now diving deeper into the sales channels. Our overall strength in the quarter came primarily from New Construction, which was up 33.9% year-over-year. This improvement was a result of the combined impact of commercial actions taken in 2021 and early 2022 that offset inflationary pressures on many of our key inputs, as well as volume growth. This quarter, we saw catch-up spending by our customers who experienced permitting delays. Our R3 segment grew 7.6% in the quarter, bolstered by continued new capacity additions in the form of conversions and expansions, and the positive impact of commercial actions. The availability of idle brick-and-mortar retail is helping our customers focus on rapidly adding new capacity to meet persistent demand, which continues to drive growth in our R3 offerings. Additionally, our customers continue to retrofit and upgrade their facilities for their customers and to stay competitive in the marketplace. In Commercial & Other, we came up against difficult comparisons to a particularly strong 2022 quarter, which resulted in a year-over-year decline of 9.3%. As we've discussed before, during the pandemic, we stocked up on steel, which allowed us to take advantage of quicker lead times and increase our market share at a faster pace than anticipated. As markets have begun to normalize, we have seen a shift in demand for certain product…

Ramey Jackson

Analyst

Great. Thank you again, Anselm. The focused efforts of our entire team and the strength in our end markets helped us deliver financial results for the quarter that once again exceeded our expectations. Our backlog and pipeline remain solid, a continued testament to the resiliency of our business model. We believe we are in the early innings of a strong multi-year demand environment, one that should continue to drive solid revenues, robust EBITDA margins, and strong cash flow generation, while all maintaining a fortress balance sheet that affords us a broad range of strategic options. I'd like to once again thank the entire Janus team for their unwavering focus and relentless execution as we continue to build long-term value for all of our stakeholders. Thank you again for joining us. Operator, we can now open up the lines for Q&A, please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst

Hey, good morning, guys.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst

Hey, Jeff.

Anselm Wong

Analyst

Hey, Jeff.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst

Good morning.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst

Maybe just to start, can you just speak to -- qualitatively to how backlog is trending, what you're seeing from an order activity standpoint, just given some of the more mixed results from some of the big self-storage customers? And it sounds like you had some catch-up in new construction. So, I'm just wondering how that impacted backlog. Thanks.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst

Yeah, great question. Look, I think, as you know [Technical Difficulty].

John Rohlwing

Analyst

Sorry about that. Go ahead.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst

Sorry, Jeff. Yeah, look, our top 10 accounts represent less than 15% of our total revenue. I think there was some decent print with our customers, they had a good quarter. As it relates to our dashboard, everything looks great, notwithstanding the -- like I mentioned in the opening, the kind of economic backdrop, we're certainly conscientious to that and we're optimistic around kind of what we're seeing with our internal data. So, you are correct, there was some kind of pent-up demand from a permitting perspective and timing on new construction, and the same applies for R3.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe just unpack the product mix comment. I don't know if that's just simply that R3 and New Construction was stronger versus Commercial, or if there was something else within that, that drove the better margins? And maybe just speak to the normalization dynamic into the second half, along that line.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst

Yeah, I'll start. But, yes, so when we talk about product mix, yes, less revenue in Commercial, as you know, the margins are slightly dilutive. And then kind of our internal components on some of the New Construction with the hallway systems and things of that nature tend to be higher margins. So that's really the product mix we speak of. Anselm, do you want to...

Anselm Wong

Analyst

Yeah, that's exactly right, Ramey. So it's two mixes; it's that commercial mix of the total, and then the product piece. We just had a really tremendous quarter of products that are higher margin in the self-storage side that should normalize a bit in the second half. Not a lot, as you can see, what we're forecasting, but just a little because of that.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst

Okay. Just last one. Leverage, great job delevering quickly here, you're kind of at the low end. Just wondering at what point you kind of turn the attention back to M&A or consider buyback to take out some of the Clearlake shares just given the strong free cash flow and where the leverage is? Thanks.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst

Yeah. Appreciate it. We worked really hard. I think we've done a great job deleveraging. Can't really comment on the Clearlake. It certainly is not up to us, it's their shares, but I think you saw some movement last quarter. And as it relates to M&A, Jeff, you know the situation here. It's part of who we are and we'll continue to find assets that add value to the shareholder base. So again, when you look at the balance sheet, it gives us a lot of optionality into what triggers, what levers we want to pull, so to speak.

Anselm Wong

Analyst

Yeah, and I agree with, Ramey. I think the big thing is we're definitely actively looking for targets that are accretive to the business. We're proud of where we landed on the net leverage. But again, this company was built on a lot of M&A. So, we want to make sure that we continue to find targets that are accretive for us.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Anselm Wong

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brad Hewitt with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Brad Hewitt

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Hi. Thank you, and good morning.

Anselm Wong

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, Brad.

Brad Hewitt

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

So, obviously, from a top-line perspective, very strong results in New Construction in Q2. Obviously, some catch-up from customers who had experienced permitting delays in prior quarters. How do you think about where we are in the cycle for New Construction and the outlook for industry square footage adds?

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, I think when you look at our metrics internally, it shows a tremendous amount of strength in adding capacity, but we really don't dictate that, right? It can come, kind of, R3 with conversions and expansions or new construction. So, I would say, nothing has changed from our backlog and pipeline perspective, we're still very optimistic there. I think when you look at the growth rates quarter-to-quarter, it's really around timing.

Brad Hewitt

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, that's helpful. And then maybe switching over to mix. Obviously, you mentioned that mix was favorable in Q2 and is expected to normalize in the coming quarters. Would you be able to quantify the mix benefit that you saw in Q2? And then how should we think about the puts and takes driving kind of the implied deceleration in margins in the second half, given the deflation we've seen in steel quarter-to-date?

Anselm Wong

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. The way I would -- again, I wouldn't put a number, we haven't disclosed anything like that, but I just think about that high-level mix between self-storage and commercial, that will be kind of your easier way to kind of do a calculation. When that normalizes a bit more, you'll see kind of that piece. And that's why we said, if you look at what we printed in Q2, it's not a really drastic change into the second half in terms of margin rate point of view. I think in terms of looking at kind of how it will play out for the rest of the year for the mix, I think it will normalize a little. And again it's time, like Ramey said, we perform and we deliver to what our customers need from a timing point of view. So, it wouldn't surprise me if we had some time where the mix changed and stayed where it is here, but again it's timing. We can always predict exactly how they want us to deliver the solution for them.

Brad Hewitt

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thank you.

Anselm Wong

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Daniel Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Good morning. Congrats on, obviously, great progress. Maybe just a little bit of color. The customers in New Construction, I think you mentioned a little bit in R3 too that are experiencing some catch-up. Do you expect that to spill into Q3, or is that largely -- customers largely been caught up from those prior permitting delays?

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

No, I think the permitting issue is something that we'll have to deal with the rest of this year. I think you hear some of our listed customers speak to that issue. So I really don't see it going away anytime soon. But as it relates to New Construction, you've heard us say in previous quarters that it's still strong as it relates to the prints that we have coming in that we call our pipeline and then our backlog as well.

Anselm Wong

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, I think, Dan, just a reminder, if you look at what obviously our REIT customers printed, they all still had occupancy rates in that low 90%-s, which is again significantly higher than what [indiscernible] say, 85%. And so, again, we still have to build out to actually get that back down. But again, I know they had some comments about a bit of slowdown, but again, the data they provided, they showed all pretty much in that low 90%-s range for occupancy rate this quarter.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. And one more comment there is, most of our listed customers deal in the top MSAs. And as you know, we're everywhere. We're in the secondary markets, tertiary markets. So when you hear information from them quarter to quarter, it really is, Dan, those markets that are outside the top MSA.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Helpful. Anselm, any color, is there any discernible cadence that you expect in terms of operating margin, Q3 versus Q4, embedded in the adjusted full year guide? And as we think about kind of that full year '23 margin, is that a good jumping-off point for fiscal '24?

Anselm Wong

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, I think that's kind of how I would lay it out, the way you just said it. There is a decent jumping-off point, the full year, kind of, looking and what is implied for the second half rate. I think, again, what we'll see is that we'll see some normalization on what the mix of products they buy, as well as the commercial self-storage. So I think what you see, what we're implying in the forecast is pretty good for it to use.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

And nothing -- no discernible difference between the quarters and just kind of thinking about seasonality, if there is any?

Anselm Wong

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, we don't disclose it. But I would say, your assumption there is probably a valid one in terms about there. I think, as we said before, in our business, the only quarter that has a bit of seasonality is Q1 because of January, and all the other ones are a bit more consistent.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Very good. And, obviously, good to see penetration continue to increase on Noke. Any color as to what types of customers are increasing adoption? And any color as to conversations that you may be having with maybe your top 10, 15, 20 customers? Thanks again.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, look, we're very proud of the growth. I think it's a testament of the investments that we've made. We've really shore up the back end. We're investing a lot there to continue to make it robust. In terms of the customer profile, what I'll say there is, you'll see -- you're seeing customers expand their existing portfolio, you're seeing new customers come in. And I think it's really -- you've heard us talk about in the past, the pandemic put it at center stage, this type of access control, the smart access control. But what we're seeing right now is the shortage of labor and the nuance around labor productivity is really forcing our customers to get smart on trying to minimize that. And so you're seeing acceleration on interest, and not only interest but sales because of that issue.

Daniel Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Very helpful. Appreciate the color again.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Dan.

Anselm Wong

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Dan.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Reuben Garner with Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Reuben Garner

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Good morning, everybody.

Anselm Wong

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, Reuben.

Reuben Garner

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

So, I hate to beat on the same drum as others, but a couple of clarifying questions here. The mix impact is specifically the commercial versus the self-storage space, is that specifically a gross margin comment, meaning the gross margins are higher in the self-storage than commercial and they kind of net out to the same place from an EBITDA or operating standpoint, or are the margins in storage now higher altogether?

Anselm Wong

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

No. It's the first that we said, the gross margin for commercial has always been slightly lower than self-storage, leading to the EBITDA margin to be slightly lower. I think it's always been there. I think it's improved, but it's always been lower.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. Just to follow-up there. It certainly has been improving and will continue to improve, but it's more of a product sale on that commercial segment, Reuben. On the self-storage, you have the value-added proposition that we have with detailing, design and installation that should enhance margins on the self-storage side.

Reuben Garner

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And then the R3 deceleration, I guess, in growth, is that kind of a one-off -- was the deceleration on the -- I know the convergence, which is technically new square footage is within that R3 base. Was it just the mix between conversions and new construction was different this quarter and the growth rates will kind of revert to more normalized as the year goes along?

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, I think they will. I think you'll see normalization therein. And more than anything this quarter, it's timing, right? We don't -- like Anselm mentioned, we don't really dictate in terms of when sites are ready, but we have no concern with the growth in R3. I think we talk about our listed customers, they are all talking about beefing up the spend regardless if it's remix or CapEx into redevelopment and things of that nature. So we're still very bullish on the R3 sector.

Reuben Garner

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. I want to sneak one more in if I can. So going, kind of, beyond this year, G&A, is that where the most opportunity for kind of leverage and margin expansion would come from, now that gross margins have kind of recovered and reached the levels they are today?

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

I wouldn't say they are the biggest opportunity. But Anselm, if you want to...

Anselm Wong

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. No. I think, like we said, volume leverage, obviously, is an opportunity there, but I think there is -- this business has a nice productivity management in terms of constantly looking at our product lines and how to improve and get more products out there. So I wouldn't say it's only one major lever, I think we look at everything. So I think there's opportunity everywhere.

Reuben Garner

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, great. Congrats on the strong results again, guys and good luck going forward.

Anselm Wong

Analyst · Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Reuben.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Stanley Elliott with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thank you for the question. Hey, turning back to Noke, are you seeing this more right now existing customers retrofitting it, or your existing customers adding it to new units? Any color there would be helpful. And then also you guys have done a lot of work on the back end. Do you feel like you're in a place now where you can continue -- I think you said 39% growth, which is great, but continue to scale at that and maybe even higher levels on a go-forward basis?

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. So -- yeah, the first part, the best way to describe it, it's a good mix of new construction and renovation. Obviously, when we get a new construction project and that customer has an existing portfolio and they have success with that new construction, what we're seeing is kind of adoption among the existing portfolio. But in terms of the breakout, it's around 50-50. And then on the back end, look, it's -- that's ever-evolving. We will continue to refine and enhance the back end, but as you know, you've heard us talk about, we are still in the very, very early innings of this opportunity. Yes, we're happy with the growth rates, but we're certainly not satisfied in terms of what the total opportunity is and where we think the market is ultimately going long term.

Anselm Wong

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. I think the only addition I'll add there is just, I think the back end, as we've talked in prior discussions, is really to make sure we have the system that can scale for the future volume for it. What I don't want is not to be able to deliver a mission-critical solution to our customers without the proper back-end, so that's why we've kind of focus our investment and make sure that we know that -- based on our backlog [indiscernible] that we know the growth is going to be there. So we want to make sure that our customers get the robust solution that they have -- it should be.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Great. And then the industry is seeing some larger M&A deals here recently with some of your larger institutional customers. Does that improve your forward visibility all else being equal?

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, I think it does. Yeah, it does. But not -- yes, specifically on the R3 side. Obviously, there's rebranding opportunities that exist. Not going to comment or quantify, excuse me, what that looks like, based off of the acquisitions, but it certainly -- look, there are customers, they rely on us for our solutions. And we really just stand ready to help them, whichever direction they go with either running dual brands or consolidating into one. We certainly don't have that information, but stand ready to help them with the R3 side of the business.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Then lastly, utilization is coming down at the industry. Does that allow you'll to accelerate your R3 position kind of given the age of the fleet? And how have conversations gone with some of your existing customers around that?

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

That's a great way to think about it. Look, I think when new construction -- look, I think the peak of new construction was 2019. We continue to print great growth in spite of that. I think when folks -- they have a tendency, when they are less busy with new construction to focus on existing portfolio. With a lot of the new capacity coming online, there's a lot of competition. And so they are smart and they are going to renovate, they're going to stay relevant. They save and invest money into that -- into their existing portfolio. So that's a good assessment.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Great, guys. Thanks so much and best of luck.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Stan.

Anselm Wong

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from John Lovallo with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Spencer Kaufman

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Hey guys, good morning. This is actually Spencer Kaufman on for John. Thank you for the questions. Maybe the first one, you guys have a pretty broad exposure to different end markets in the commercial side of the business. Can you just provide a little bit of color as to what you're seeing from your various end markets there, which ones are doing better, and which ones are a little bit more challenged?

Ramey Jackson

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, we don't have great visibility in terms of where the product is going other than the feedback we're getting from our customers, is the lion's share of their revenue is in the R&R space. So that's a good data point for us. There are some segments within the commercial sector that have pulled back or should I say, normalized that were kind of pandemic darlings. So when you think about outdoor sheds and outdoor carports, that segment of the business is starting to normalize. So, we do have some visibility on to that, but just the sheer fact that the R&R is most of their revenue is very comforting to us. And from here, it's a market share play for us.

Spencer Kaufman

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Got it. Good to see you guys refinance the term loan, which now matures in 2030 I think. Should we expect you guys to continue utilizing excess cash to voluntarily prepay some of that debt earlier, or how should we think about the capital allocation side of that?

Anselm Wong

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, I think that's one of the options, but -- if I put it probably like Ramey said earlier, we wanted to make sure that we're still proactively looking, which we are in terms of meaningful acquisitions that are accretive to the business. So, I think thinking about it is, yes, we have a lot of optionality here, but if I were to prioritize, I think we've got ourselves in a good position from the debt side and the leverage side, priority would be to get an acquisition if we could that's -- out there that's accretive for the business.

Spencer Kaufman

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Makes sense. Good luck, guys.

Anselm Wong

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Ramey for closing comments.

Ramey Jackson

Analyst

Great. Thank you everyone for joining us today. We appreciate your support of Janus International and look forward to updating you on our progress. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.