Marc Elia
Analyst · H.C. Wainwright
Okay. Thanks for that. Let me start, and then I know some others are going to weigh in. Okay. So on your first question, in some ways, you posed the considerations in what I think are a really interesting and important order, okay? And I'm going to go backwards in effect. In terms of what would be required for BLA, recognize that, that's a determination made by a small group of people who work for the federal government, and they make the rules and we all follow them. So we will all end up being in receipt of whatever it is, the U.S. FDA deems a positive risk benefit for the American public. We certainly, of course, expect a much better VE. We're certainly, of course, providing antiviral titers that we would imagine would carry much higher VE. But then I'll get to your other points. What is commercially viable? Well, today, there's $3 billion or so in U.S. revenue of something that would appear to not have a particularly impressive nor particularly durable VE. So your mileage may vary on that point. And in terms of what is clinically meaningful, I think actually, whether or not you mean it, of course, you are getting at the heart of the analysis we're providing here, which is the goal of clinical medicine and infectious practice is to keep people ground. And so I think the point we're trying to demonstrate here is just that it's -- we're all operating against a very high proposed bar of overall profile when we deploy these maps. We're looking for very, very high protection at a very, very low symptomatic penalty or tolerability penalty. That's our goal. But if you asked us what was clinically meaningful and you were talking to, let's say, a vulnerable person, and here, I'll just use myself as a fun example because I happen to be here and I'm speaking. I would be thrilled if I could routinely access something that is very low penalty modulated my risk of symptomatic disease. The reason I say that is because symptomatic disease is going to define, yes, my day-to-day experience. But typically, one would imagine that it is also a predicate for derivative follow-on benefits, right, such that if I don't get sick, it's probably unlikely I'm going to go to the hospital. If I don't get sick or go to the hospital, it's probably unlikely I'm going to die. So again, I would just point out, you actually did [Technical Difficulty] like all of these waterfalls of consideration that suggest to us, and we're very comfortable doing this, we are operating with the aim of delivering a very, very exciting new medicine that proposes to ask very little of patients or subjects in terms of tolerability and return something really, really meaningful, which would be relatively very high protection over a very long term. We think that is awesome. All we mean to point out is that indeed, let's say we were in a dialogue over time or in some point in the future with a group of people who have been designated in our social contract to decide whether or not these are useful objects. Remember what DECLARATION is first designed to do, I think we would argue, establish safety and tolerability relative to placebo. I say that because we all know the calculation of protection in VE is going to be dependent to some extent on infectious disease attack rate in the study, so on and so forth. That is a probabilistic thing. Again, as we've disclosed previously, we feel like we're in great shape and looking forward to completing the study. But it's critical people not lose sight of the fact that if we are able to generate a highly active anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibody that is scalable and highly safe, it's a really good thing for society through viewed through any one of those lenses you proposed. Now in terms of the single and multi-dose, I'll just remind everybody, we first embarked on a multi-dose cohort principally because the FDA asked us to demonstrate multi-dose safety, which is a perfectly reasonable request we're happy to provide. The reason we picked the increment of 1 month was to afford future subjects of these medicines the maximum reasonable flexibility in their dosing regimen, right, such that if somebody wished to take a medicine like this monthly, I suppose if we're so fortunate as to demonstrate safety and efficacy, and we're so fortunate to earn a BLA, they could do that on the basis of that multi-dose arm and DECLARATION. Now the only reason we didn't pick, for example, an increment of 1 day is because if one were to take VYD2311 monthly, given the antiviral potency we see now, that human being would be carrying around a fairly extraordinary quantity of antiviral power, not to suggest more couldn't be a tiny bit better. But there's a limit, I think, to how much somebody is going to end up wanting to sort of gigamap themselves on the way to maximum potential protection. It's not to say we couldn't have done a day. It's just that we picked a month because that felt like a reasonable quantum that affords some flexibility. In terms of expectation, what you're asking is really about the probabilities of study conduct in this regard, right? Meaning if we could run DECLARATION 10,000 times like a Monte Carlo simulation of outcomes, you would, of course, imagine you'd see some level of potentially low breakthrough infection in the single-dose arm and then some much lower level of breakthrough infection in the multi-dose arm, consistent with the modeling we provided in our correlative protection analysis that was -- that went into the literature just a couple of months ago. So the math ought to math as it were, as you go through these things. But of course, this is a clinical trial. It has its own contours, and we're all going to find out what the answer is together. I only lit we can't run it 10,000 times because I think we would all feel very, very comforted about by the mean outcome and then the tails. Nonetheless, as we're doing it in sort of real time and operational space, we still feel great about our progress and what we think we're going to demonstrate. Anyone else want to add to that or refine?