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Innovative Aerosystems, Inc. (ISSC)

Q2 2020 Earnings Call· Thu, May 14, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to Innovative Solutions and Support Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded.I would now like to turn the call over to Geoffrey Hedrick, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead sir.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Good morning. This is Geoff Hedrick. Welcome this morning to our conference call to discuss our performance for the second quarter of fiscal year 2020, current business conditions, and our outlook for the coming year. Joining me are Shahram Askarpour, our President; and Relland Winand, our CFO.Before I begin, I would like Rell to read the Safe Harbor message. Thanks.

Relland Winand

Analyst

Thank you, Geoff and good morning everyone. I would remind our listeners that certain matters discussed in the conference call today, including new products and operational and financial results for future periods, are forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially, either better or worse from those discussed, including other risks and uncertainties reflected in our company's 10-K, which is on file with the SEC and other public filings.Now, I'll turn the call back to Geoff.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

The coronavirus pandemic is reshaping the way we live and work including the lives of our many dedicated employees of IS&S. As the business deemed as essential, we have managed to safely keep our operations open to meet our obligations to our customers, which includes markets that are vital to the nation's safety and security such as the military, as well as cargo air carriers, who are playing an increasingly crucial role in getting medical supplies that are needed throughout the country.And we recognize the challenges early on. We took aggressive steps to protect the health and well-being of our employees, our families, our customers, and our partners, as well as immediate and remedial actions to minimize the impact to our business.The results of these efforts have been rewarding. All 100% of the IS&S team members have complied with the new safety procedures and have come to work, my personal heroes.These past three months resulted in a quarter-over-quarter revenue growth and the sixth quarter in the last seven in which we have generated sequential revenue growth. We generated strong cash flow and has one of the strongest quarters of new business backlog has increased to nearly $10 million highest in years. The margins were impacted by period cost fluctuations in the quarter. We expect them to rebound the prior levels in subsequent quarters.We will deliver production -- we will deliver production quantities of our Autothrottle to the OEM this quarter, which would represent the second major OEM contract in the general aviation market. The Autothrottle has been six years in development, culminating with the FAA Certification of OEI upset protection and adoption into a major OEM production.The general aviation market and Autothrottle, we believe provides an excellent, excellent opportunity and further inserts us into a market both in terms of…

Relland Winand

Analyst

Thank you, Geoff and thank you all for joining us this morning. Revenues for first quarter -- for the quarter of fiscal 2020 were $4.8 million, a 15% increase over second quarter of 2019 reflecting increased product demand, as well as increased customer service revenue, which was over $1.2 million in the quarter. There continues to be engineering revenue associated with the F5 development contract.Gross margins for the quarter were 47.5%. That is down from last quarter as well as a year ago due to product mix, an increase in warranty costs and higher labor expense as we stamp up ahead of future production demands. We fully expect margins to return to levels recently achieved as these expenses normalize.Total operating expenses for the second quarter of fiscal 2020 were $2.2 million, down from the first quarter and little change from a year ago, so that normalized expenses remain relatively stable despite the revenue growth we are experiencing.Research and development expense was up slightly from a year ago reflecting an increase in the amount of internally funded R&D which is expense as incurred in contrast is funded R&D which is charged across the goods sold. With the wind down of the F5 development contract, funded R&D has been significantly reduced.Selling, general and administrative expenses were essentially unchanged, as we work hard to keep cost under control.Interest and other income added $75,000 to the bottom line this quarter, which is a little less than last quarter, mostly due to the decrease in interest rates. Due to loss carry backs we recognize the $309,000 tax benefit in the quarter. A loss carry back resulted from the Coronavirus aid released an economic Securities Act or CARES Act which has been signed into law. The CARES Act amends the net operating loss provision, allowing for the carry back of losses to each of the two taxable years preceding the taxable year loss.We reported quarterly net income of $438,000 or $0.03 per share more than doubled the same quarter a year ago as well as sequential improvement from $332,000 or $0.02 per share in the first quarter. So the first half of the year, net income is more than twice that of the first half of fiscal 2019.The company remains in a strong financial and generated positive cash flow of $500,000 from operating activities in the quarter. At March 31, 2020, we had $22.6 million of cash on hand and no debt. We believe that the company has sufficient cash to fund operations for the foreseeable future.Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Shahram.

Shahram Askarpour

Analyst

Thank you, Rell, and good morning, everyone. It certainly has important, exciting and challenging first six months. As Geoff explained, and as an essential business, we have remained open over the course of Pennsylvania's shelter in place director.Our first priority was the safety and health of our employees. So we acted swiftly to enact a plan that met and went beyond Federal and State guidelines, while maximizing the productivity of our workforce.Additionally, production crews during the month of April, were split into two different shifts, with each shift, one week on, one week off, but paid for both weeks. Although, short term productivity was reduced as a result of measures taken, we believe the overall results of this quarter will not be significantly impacted.We are currently meeting our delivery deadlines, and in fact, we are now hiring to staff up to meet the increasing production requirements.As heard from Jeff, we expect to start shifting production overthrow units over again, this order. This is an encouraging endorsement of our Autothrottle technology from a leader in the general aviation industry.As we have mentioned in the past, the ability to incorporate VMCa mitigation in our Autothrottle provides a tangible competitive advantage to twin engine aircraft. And it seems OEMs want to capitalize on this advantage by incorporating the technology into the new production aircraft.It offers a great selling point to prospective buyers as it offers potentially lifesaving rollover protection for twin engine aircraft. And VMCa mitigation technology is a standard part of our Autothrottle.We have been in fact anticipating an influx of orders throughout production orders and while it may not be a year of big Autothrottle shipments. It is shaping up to be the beginning of a ramp up, we believe a significant potential.Once again, quickly reviewing the program's, driving current results.…

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Thank you, Shahram. Well, current conditions make it particularly difficult to forecast future sales with a real degree of certainty. We're confident that the prior progress we've achieved today has positioned as well to prosper over the longer term.I want to turn it over the operator for lines for questions-and-answers now. Thank you.Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]And the first question will come from David Campbell with Thompson Davis & Company. Please go ahead.

David Campbell

Analyst

Hey, good morning, everybody.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Good morning. How you doing?

David Campbell

Analyst

Thank you for all the good news.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

We're happy to give to you. It's been a good time. It's an interesting time.

David Campbell

Analyst

Yes. It surely is.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Especially with a massive downturn in commercial air transport, I guess, is down 95% hard to believe. We just sent somebody out to Wichita. I think he said, there were only about 20 people on the airplane. Although, he said, -- on the one of the flights, there was a woman that was in completely wrapped in plastic with whether her wrist and ankles taped and ventilating for breather.

David Campbell

Analyst

She didn't want to take any chances.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

But what it speaks to interestingly enough is there's a hell of a lot more interest in flying from in charters and business jets, where you could control number one, the people that are going to be on boarding the airplane with you. And number two, you don't have 100 people show as an example, we had some friends down in Palm Beach, with charter of and eight passenger citation to bring them back up. And when the price was distributed among the eight passengers, was about the same as our first class ticket.So it's interesting that we may even actually see a strengthening in that market. We're delighted that we've established our sort of foot in the door. Just by the way, David, I did some looking, if I look at the three production programs, what we call the ongoing OEM type production programs, their revenue at the end of next year, will be equal to some street programs will be equal to our revenue last year -- total revenue last year, and that'll be in just those three ongoing programs. So it's -- it's a problem. It looks very promising. The problem is we're on -- on spectacularly successful

David Campbell

Analyst

Yes. I know that. Thanks for the comments. I just wanted to ask a sort of technical question about the taxes. The CARES Act provided us some tax benefit in the second fiscal quarter. Well, that's the only quarter though, will the third quarter go back to the normal tax rate?

Relland Winand

Analyst

Right. I mean, yes, the effect of the Cares Act and going forward is in the past quarters, we have done well. We really haven't had any tax expense. So I don't expect that expense.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

The truth is David, this quarter, this past quarter attended to mitigate the periodic fluctuations in period costs. So what kind of level goes out this coming quarter, they will be there, but we expect it upturn in both volume and margin. So it will all balance out for a change. It works with us rather than against us.

David Campbell

Analyst

So assuming there's pre-tax income in the third and fourth quarters, there shouldn't be any charges for taxes?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Yes. Yes.

David Campbell

Analyst

Okay, great. Well, what about the rest of the business? The flat panels growth in the cargo conversion market that's likely to continue because the passenger market will probably stay down for some time. And they'll be using these passenger planes for cargo.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

So very good. That's a very, very accurate observation, David. The reality, I mean, think of it, you're an airline or a carrier, and you got a whole hell of airplanes, specifically five sevens and six sevens, which you don't need now because no -- there isn't anybody to carry and I don't expect to have large markets for several years, because people, myself included might be apprehensive about going to Europe or traveling.So it's going to be down those areas redundant, so the obvious thing is that you convert to package carriers. The other thing that we've learned in this last three or four months is that people rely far more heavily on Amazon and alike. And you can even see deliveries in that area, the online ordering, I understand has gone up by about 25 or 30% just in the last, and I expect that people are getting use to it. I certainly I’m getting use to it.Very nice. So we can probably expect more and more and take a look at the aggressive action that Amazon which was to essentially build their own fleet of airplanes, I mean, obviously, they’re -- a lot of them are on charter, but they’re committed to that -- to the Amazon operation. And I think they’re over 80 now, and it’s very reasonable that they could be up to several hundred committed cargo aircraft, and they all would be converted from five sevens, six sevens presently in service.

David Campbell

Analyst

It's amazing to me that these five sevens and six sevens all have old technology…

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Well, they -- defensive five sevens, six sevens at the time, it was very advanced. That was the good news. Literally, there are other airplanes that were in production at the same time, the three sevens and five sevens really were analog airplanes were the five sevens, six sevens were substantially a sort of a digital airplane. So they were a transitionary airplane and that's -- and so they’ve got a lot of life schedule and they’re a very efficient way of moving cargo. The six seven has a lot of box space to move a lot of packages.

David Campbell

Analyst

Right. Thank you very much, and good…

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

I’ll tell you -- when you look at deliveries now, I was looking something this morning, and they say, you can't well deliver it in an hour. Why would you want to start your car and drive to the store, wearing a mask. I mean, I want to do that. So anyway, I'm sorry to get carried away. You go ahead.

David Campbell

Analyst

No. I'm just saying thanks for the comments. And thanks for doing such a good job, building the business. And I'll talk to you soon. Thank you.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Thank you for your support. Go ahead.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from Michael Frederick, investor. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning, everyone.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Good morning.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning. Hey. I have a question, a follow-up question from the last call. You haven't been able to announce the new OEM partner yet. Is that been pushed way back? Or is that still on schedule for maybe the next quarter?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

The simple answer is I don't know.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay.

Relland Winand

Analyst

Up to the…

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

I mean, we have obligations under agreements that don't allow us to divulge certain things. And that's all. And there's nothing very dramatic about it to be blunt with you. And it doesn't really affect our business in any way. But you're right. It is a little odd, I would say.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yeah. And I’ll be honest with you…

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Hopefully, understand that it is odd. And don't come to their senses, we’ll see.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes. And I'll be honest with you; it's not really hard to figure out who it is, but anyway.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

But I…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes. I won't say any more. But anyhow, another question I had for you. You said that you had three OEM programs. Is that the PC-24, the tanker and the new OEM? Are we talking about? Or just two OEMs…

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Yes. Yes. That's exactly what it is.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Okay.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

No, that's exactly what it is. And they're all solid programs. Obviously, the tankers solid, the PC-24 has been a spectacular success as an airplane, they keep raising their brakes, and we're adapting our manufacturing to accommodate as much as double the rate. So we're stronger. And the third the OEM that we don't talk about is quite frankly, we couldn't be more pleased with their cooperation and support and the realization that this is a significant safety feature for their aircraft and will be unique to them for that aircraft in the world, a real lifesaver, so.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That's fantastic. That's fantastic.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

It’s nice -- we've got good pointers. And I think the prospect of a lot of business.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Great. So you -- just real quick, you had said that you thought that by the end of next year that the three OEM programs would exceed, you say, last year's revenues?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

That's right.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. So, all right. Great, great. And then one --- yes, and then one quick -- one more quick question. The backlog, so for something to make in the backlog are we to assume that that's something that's going to be delivered and what the next two quarters or what's on the qualification and…

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

I don’t think interim that. It's just remember the backlog really doesn't reflect all the potential business as an example. Any OEM make may agree to put their equipment basic on the airplane, let's say standard. They’ll only give you purchase orders for the next 20 years, they only release purchase orders and over a six-month period separately. Boeing did it kind of a double standard, they will release a six-month group of, so the only thing we ever see in our backlog are those that six-month period. The total -- if you took at the total over the next 10 years of the program would be obviously orders of magnitude larger.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. But to make it the backlog, you're essentially saying you need a purchase order?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

These are orders with a defined payback schedule. Is that right? Its sound right, yeah.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And ballpark, I mean, how much time we’re talking about that. Although, we delivered over how many months?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

I can't answer that. I don't know.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, guys, great report. Just doing great. Appreciate it. Take care.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Thanks for your support.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from George Marema with Pareto Ventures. Please go ahead.

George Marema

Analyst

Hey, good morning, guys. That was a fantastic new order number today. To follow-up on that. Approximately out of this new orders, how much of this was new OEM Autothrottle business versus the retrofit markets? And just in general, how is the retrofit market for the auto sense, Autothrottle performing

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Well, the business for the Autothrottle is starting to really blossom now. We're getting a lot of interest. We -- so we've been doing PC-12 and now we're doing King Air as well. So the retrofit opportunity is orders of magnitude larger than the OEM business. To gives you some idea, there's probably in just one airplane, there's a total market of over 5,000 opportunities, so that's huge. And we're looking at other airplanes that we're working on now where they built over roughly dying 1,000 of the airplanes.And this Autothrottle has gone from being a cruise control to a lifesaver and a multi-engine airplane. As you're aware of the Addison, Texas scenario that we saw on the news, where the airplane just generally roll-on over on its back and into the warehouse is not enough, sadly an uncommon terminal scenario. Our system has been certified to prevent that.

George Marema

Analyst

Right. Are you guys in discussion with additional OEMs on this autosense Autothrottle?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Yes, we are.

George Marema

Analyst

Okay. So on the new orders, I'm assuming that some of that is from the Autothrottle business, correct?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Look it’s all very -- no, this is also happening in the last couple months. So refining and trying to understand what is your means as relevance? It's, I think, premature, I think we have to kind of say things are maturing well. In light of the pandemic and all the other crap that's been going on. We're pleased -- just think about it under pretty adverse conditions, we were able to expand our business and grow it toward the future. If we could just keep our heads down and work hard. Hopefully, we'll keep that going.

George Marema

Analyst

Okay. As you look out into the back half of this year into next year, do you expect the gross margins in terms of product mix to sort of stay in this normal zone you've had in the last couple years or and do you see any longer..?

Relland Winand

Analyst

It will go up. There are bunch of fixed costs associated with them. Obviously building and things like that, that don't need to be expanded and therefore the gross margin should go up. Remember, I do remember is that been around a while, the year that we did over $60 million returned $18 million in profit and cash, 30% net after tax. I don't expect to do that again, but that gives you an idea of how sensitive the margins are to volume.

George Marema

Analyst

Okay, already. All right. Thank you.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Roger Goldman [ph], Investor. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. And I'm an investor. You guys knew my dad, who was a long-term investor and he died a couple of months ago and now my sister and brother and I are investors and thank you very much for the good results and a good report. A quick question about your cash. Are you guys getting in the banking business? That's a theoretical question, of course, but you got a lot of -- you got a lot of cash on the balance sheet and questions, are there any interesting opportunities out there to do something with it in a low interest rate environment?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Well, we're looking at that. I'm reminded about two seconds. It was serendipitous, that in a time when the Federal government felt that it had to loan money to the industry to keep it alive. And so they would have cash flow and wouldn't go out of business. Our business is needed and had that reserved in place. So I will make any apologies for.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

No, I wasn't expecting you to.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

And one other thing. Yes, we're going to look at how we best use that. The company has now transitioned into a position, we believe that will generate cash ongoing in the future and that will change the equation. So, we will look at that. I would…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I mean--

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

The company and I always enjoyed your jazz. If I remember right, he was 95, but I still remember him saying to me, I got a third of my net worth in you guys, so get going.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That's right. But he died peacefully with all his marbles in January and basically told me, I'm the Executor basically told me don't you dare sell that stuff.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

He is a good man.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, thank you. Thank you.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

How old was he?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

97 with all his marbles.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

97 with all his marbles and he came in the [indiscernible] from Jersey?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That's correct. Well, hopefully runs in the family. Anyway, thank you so much. By the way, I wasn't asking for anything specific in terms of how you use the cash except there's going to be lots of bargains out there. Asset values of a lot of companies are going to be dropping and cash becomes King as you know in this environment, having to those--

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

And we obviously are mindful.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I'm not asking you to disclose anything, but just wanted to comment on it.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Roger, I think we're okay. Trust me, we discussed it constantly.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That's good enough for me.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

What are you doing with the money? So anyway…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Now, okay. Well, I'm looking forward to meeting you. We're in Palm Beach in the winter and actually, your comment about chartering is spot on. That's how we're getting North.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

It's a sensible way to do it.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

[Indiscernible] and you actually don't even have to land in Philadelphia International in fact…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Well, we're going to fly right into Westchester.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

If you are in the right kind of airplane, you can land in Westchester and places like that with...

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Actually, we're going right into Westchester.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

You know our plans here?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Where?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Westchester, New York HPN or Westchester PA.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Well, I'll come visit you.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Where you in New York or Pennsylvania?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

No, we're summer in Western Massand winter in Palm Beach.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Okay.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Pretty good life.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Yes. I grew up in Westchester County. Anyway, you have a good day.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

And we're doing our work and you enjoy with your family.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Well, thank you and the best is yet to come.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Bet you.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Steve Rudd with Blackwell. Please go ahead.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Hi, guys. First, I'm very grateful that you are coming into work and organizing things as well as you have. And happy to hear everybody's voice on the call. We talked about the delivering production quantities of Autothrottle this quarter and if I remember correctly, the units can rent up to $50,000 per units, so how many units are we talking about for this quarter?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Couple of dozen.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

A couple of dozen?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Yes.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Okay. So that would be then a significant impact on revenue.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

I hope so.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Okay, all right. That sounded different than what we had and my numbers are about…

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

To be honestly, I'm great. I'm just really pleased that we're that our customer has committed themselves in such a terrific way. It's been a hold of good partner and the program is starting along exceedingly well. They're even -- the simulators for the aircraft are even and being built as we speak. And they'll be training people within a couple of months. So the program is moving along very well.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Okay. So the incremental revenue could be as much as $1 million or more?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

We don't really, we're not going to estimate that.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

I was just trusting my math.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

The best thing we can do there's a lot of a lot of moving marbles right now.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

All right.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

We're trying to keep them together.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Okay.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

We're just focused, we'd like to explain what we think is general opportunities and we'll work hard to try to make the best out of realizing those opportunities.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough. I didn't note that our gross margins were 47.5% I think they run higher on Autothrottle, so that incremental -- those incremental sales, I'm assuming our sales, we take a base of $4.8 million for this quarter, we're going to be running up higher than that with a given that our margins in Autothrottle are a bit higher than that. It should be average gross margin of greater than 47.5 for this for this quarter we're in.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Honestly, when you get in gross margins in the 45%, 50% range. You don't want to expect a hell of a lot more you can get them and we've had times that were over 65%. But if you try to run a business with that as a target, you're probably not going to grow the business very fast. So it's -- the last density of the curve, it's sort of disappears when you get into those levels.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Okay. That makes sense.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

The only people that you can maintain those kind of margins is Heidi Fleiss.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

All right. I won't take -- I won't go for that too much more in a Me Too movement and I'm not among those who are Me Too in any negative way. So let's talk about the Care Act, remarkable comment. Let's talk about the Care Act. What is the magnitude of the benefits that we're going to get on the tax benefit because I somehow that blew past me.

Relland Winand

Analyst

Yes, the biggest benefit was for us was just the carry back. As you remember, we’ve signed into law a year ago or so, you couldn't carry -- the change in law was carry back losses you can only go forward. So this new March, whatever the exact date was late March, but it allowed companies to do is to carry back losses. Now, for us since we're a fiscal two years, I mean, I assumed the point was cash, right?

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Correct.

Relland Winand

Analyst

So you file it. If the company can get some cash carry the loss back and is another way of funding some company, so that's the benefit we received from it. Now we just..

Steve Rudd

Analyst

What's the dollar amount that we should expect to get back as you're talking for refund, right?

Relland Winand

Analyst

Yes. Is about $309,000 refund.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Okay, very good. And we get to take that in from an accounting point of view, do we then take that into income or it gets, we have to restate the prior years, what happens with that?

Relland Winand

Analyst

No, no. It’s a now thing, so in our Q2, you'll see a tax benefit of $309,000 in the P&L.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Okay. So that'll give us, from the just a number point of view, it'll give us a nice presentation, just to that point. Very good. The new order number that we had for, that was stated in the press release, is it I take it as corrected. None of that new order number is Autothrottle or does it include that the roughly two dozen that we just talked about or what amount?

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

It doesn't include.

Relland Winand

Analyst

It doesn't include it

Steve Rudd

Analyst

It does include. I'm sorry, say it again.

Relland Winand

Analyst

It doesn't include Autothrottle.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Okay. So it includes the unit's we just chatted about?

Relland Winand

Analyst

Yes.

Steve Rudd

Analyst

Okay. All right, terrific. Listen, all of you take good care of yourselves and your employees and hats off to you. You're in the business of saving lives and we really, really appreciate what you're doing.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

Thank you for your support.

Geoffrey Hedrick

Analyst

I guess that wraps it up. Thank you for your attention today. Thank you for coming and thank you for supporting our company.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect