Good morning. Welcome to Iridium Communications' Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kenneth Levy, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thanks Kate. Good morning, and welcome to our Iridium's Q3 2020 earnings call. Joining me on the call this morning are CEO, Matt Desch; and our CFO, Tom Fitzpatrick. Today's call will begin with a discussion of our third quarter results followed by Q&A. I trust you've had an opportunity to review this morning’s earnings release, which is available on the Investor Relations section of Iridium's website. Before I turn things over to Matt, I'd like to caution all participants that our call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are statements that are not historical facts and include statements about our future expectations, plans and prospects. Such forward-looking statements are based upon our current beliefs and expectations, and are subject to risks which could cause actual results to differ from forward-looking statements. Such risks are more fully discussed in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Our remarks today should be considered in light of such risks. Any forward-looking statements represent our views only as of today, and while we may elect to update forward-looking statements at some point in the future, we specifically disclaim any obligation to do so, even if our views or expectations change. During the call, we'll also be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including operational EBITDA and pro forma free cash flow, free cash flow yield and free cash flow conversion. These non-GAAP financial measures are not prepared in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. Please refer to today's earnings release in the Investor Relations section of our website for further explanation of these non-GAAP financial measures and a reconciliation of the most directly comparable GAAP measures. With that, let me turn things over to Matt.

Thanks Ken. Good morning, everyone. As I'm sure you saw in our release this morning, we had a strong third quarter. As many of you know, we started the year on a record setting pace in January and February, and then were hit abruptly by the global lockdown in mid-March and April. With little visibility to understand how the industries we serve would respond we were comfortable with the steady month-on-month improvement that the second quarter delivered. Now, with the results of the third quarter in hand, it's clear that we've trended back to the fast pace that kicked-off the year. In light of our strong subscriber growth during the past quarter, and the momentum we're carrying into the final months of the year, we have greater visibility as to how we'll finish out 2020. This year, our businesses once again demonstrated its resiliency perhaps most evident by the surge in net subscriber additions, which reached a total -- a record 67,000 this quarter, more than doubling growth from the last quarter. With an ongoing thaw in the global business environment, Iridium's financial prospects have continued to improve and we're now on a glide path to end the year with better top and bottom line growth than we expected when we updated guidance on our second quarter call. Our prospects for free cash flow have also improved to approximately $200 million for the full-year as a result of these improved operating results. So what's driving our recovery from the effects of the Coronavirus? First, the service we provide is both important and unique and our satellite applications are often essential to the mission critical functions of our customers. Second, I think our offering particularly with our new constellation in place is second to none. We do mobile and remote connectivity…

Thanks, Matt, and good morning, everyone. I'll get started by summarizing our key financial metrics for the quarter and providing some color on the trends we're seeing in our business lines, which give us confidence in raising our full-year guidance. I'll then close with the review of our liquidity position, and capital structure. Iridium generated total revenue of $151.5 million in the third quarter, which was 5% higher than last year's comparable quarter. This increase was primarily attributable to strength in subscriber equipment sales and a contractual step-up in hosted payload. Operational EBITDA was $93.4 million, which was up 6% from the prior-year's quarter. Our EBITDA margin was 62%. On the commercial side of our business, we reported service revenue of $91.8 million in the third quarter, which was up 2% from a year-ago. This increase primarily reflected growth in hosted payload revenue, which more than offset a decline in revenue in our legacy voice business. During the quarter, voice and data revenue fell 4%. This decrease was predominantly driven by a fall in seasonal activations attributable to the ongoing pandemic, though not as severe as we initially feared back in April. While billable subscribers were down year-over-year, we actually saw an improvement in net subscriber additions on a sequential quarter basis. These trends continue to be better than our early expectations, when the impact of the pandemic was largely unknown. We continue to expect full-year voice and data revenues to be down from 2019. Commercial IoT has largely rebounded from the initial drop caused by the pandemic in March and April. Many markets that had slowed at that time seem to have rebounded and many retail outlets offering consumer-oriented IoT that closed temporarily have now reopened. The notable exceptions are the aviation, and oil and gas industries where usage…

We'll now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question is from Ric Prentiss from Raymond James. Go ahead.

Hey, obviously good to see the beat and raise on the actuals in the guidance. Question on COVID-19 and the visibility you mentioned, obviously, you're seeing some nice signs up there. Any concerns on second wave or lockdowns that we're seeing in Europe and some signs in the U.S. of what that might mean to the business?

Probably not for 2020, I mean because we're pretty well on a path, I think for this year. I mean, I'm -- I'm concerned that it will kind of continue well into next year. And so areas like aviation and maritime will still sort of stay at the same levels. I don't think there's a lot, I don't know about you what you think. But I don't think there's a lot of tolerance for sort of completely locking down businesses anymore. It seems like we've -- the global environment kind of learned to live in sort of a new normal right now. And the economy is as it is. But it means we're all not going to go to restaurants and have much fun at sporting events for a lot longer somehow. But I don't really think -- I think we're kind of in the environment; we're going to be in for a while here. And I'm sort of expecting that's going to last well into next 2021.

Sure. Okay. And then, obviously some nice improvement also on margins. Tom, as you think about the business and growing the revenues, and kind of the cost basis of the business, where could aspirationally margins go over time, when you look at your competitive universe out there?

So -- hi, Rick. So we've said this for a long-time that there's inherent operating leverage in this model, it's a network after all and so the variable costs to produce the incremental minute of uses is very small. So, when we started our capital cycle, we had margins in the high-40s and had said that when we exited, we saw 60%. And so we're now there. So there's really nothing stopping us. If you look at mature satellite companies that have been around longer than us, they'll kind of model as the same, they enjoy operating leverage, and they have EBITDA margins in the 80s. So as we grow our service revenues, we think it's accretive to the margins over time.

Understand. And I like to focus on free cash flow; we really like looking at that as well. What are the items when you kind of called out the EBITDA, good to see margin improvement continue there, interest expense, how are you thinking about the debt markets right now? Is there the ability? Are they open? What kind of rates are you seeing? Is it something you could actually improve free cash flow as you look at the interest expense?

Yes, I mean, our term loan B is trading very well. I mean, as you know, we can reprice the term loan B, if the market is there and we're keeping a close eye on that. A 50 bp reduction in the margin is 8 million buck for us, so that's directly benefits free cash flow.

And with the market stabilizing now sort of the debt market maybe being up and what we call as the trigger to enter the market then?

The appetite is just that it that -- that it would be a market clearing transaction for us to reprice and we and our bankers are keeping a close tab on that.

Okay. And last one for me, I appreciate the questions. You called out aviation a couple of times; I know that's obviously going to take a couple of years to recover. Could you walk us through and remind us again what that effect is on the ARPU side is on the IoT that we mostly see it right?

Yes. So we said it's the usage on commercial airliners for safety services, Ric. And we said that's about a $1.5 million a quarter headwind from our prior run rate, just because of planes aren't flying. So it's not -- we're not seeing the usage.

Right, and that when we do see usage come up that could suddenly maybe come back, but that's all we have to look, as Matt pointed out going to watch where aviation and maritime come back.

Yes, that’s right.

Yes, they would both come back. And plus, we'd also see potentially new installations for more higher speed terminals, which potentially also could drive additional ARPU on aircraft, if they take advantage of the higher speeds and more functionality as those products become ready in the next year or two.

Yes, and that's what you're talking earlier about the six new hardware and also getting into the safety side.

Right, yes and we're a big player in aviation today. And obviously, we're on a lot of long haul commercial aircraft right now. And those are the ones most affected right now because nobody wants to really fly long, long distance. Domestic is coming back a little faster. And but I think over the next two or three years, we'll see a recovery, our existing systems will then go back to normal growth, and we'll possibly see new, new additional installation then at that time too have the higher speed stuff.

It's not so much the in-flight connectivity, it's more the cockpit and the safety and other plug-in services you're not going to in-flight connectivity, per se.

That's right, we're really focused on cockpit communication safety services and that's where we've been, that's where our sweet spot is, and where we don't see as much competition really, either because we have a truly global product versus anyone else.

Makes sense. Glad to see the results guys. Glad to hear you're doing well. We'll talk to you later. Thanks.

Thanks, Ric.

Thanks, Ric.

Our next question is from George [ph] Burns from Sidoti & Company. Go ahead.

Good morning. The update on the FAA with Aireon, is that in any way changed the calculus of them raising capital paying the remaining hosting fees that they owe you, can just maybe just update us on the status there in terms of their financing? Thanks.

So, we view that, hi, Greg, we view the developments with the FAA as constructive to Aireon's financing obviously, but the slowdown in air traffic that's resulted from COVID is going to delay their ability to pay us the lump sum hosting fee and the buyback of the share. So we don't think that that happens before the end of 2022, when we're going to see how fast traffic comes back. As you understand that we view those payments as highly likely and the developments with the FAA only bolster that opinion of ours. But that, as you know, has no effect on what is our revenue, annual revenue that we use $39 million from them per year between hosting and data. Are they going to pay -- they're going to pay us that cash pay based on their updated financing outlook. So kind of the downside cases that this will be a delay in the lump sum payments -- lump size payments of the hosting and the share buyback probably beyond the end of 2022. But as I say, let me reiterate, we're highly confident that we will receive those payments eventually.

Great, thanks. And then in terms of the U.S. government consuming like Certus broadband services on top of their EMSS contract, do you have any visibility on when maybe they might start to do that or when there might be maybe some upsides to the contractual numbers you're seeing quarterly?

They're already starting to use some sort of not using our commercial gateway. So they've already especially our threshold sort of services and they're planning to, we're expecting to see more in 2021. So as we're seeing growth in terms of the potential kind of backlog and opportunities are increasing. Again, we'll primarily come through the commercial gateway, though we'll describe them as government -- government revenues. And then as their gateway gets completed sometime either later next year or early in 2022, then I think that will also spur incremental additional growth beyond that out into beyond that. But there's already usage already today and we're seeing progress. And I think it's going to be part of our Certus broadband revenues going forward.

Okay. So that would be reported as Certus and not as separate from the government line item that you report?

Yes, that's right. We're going to -- we're putting all that in our broadband revenues, government or commercial.

Okay. And the -- okay, great. And then lastly the 300 net activations on the broadband side, is that kind of the pace that you're still expecting for the foreseeable future?

I'd like it to go up from there. You know interesting, I had a meeting last week with one of our larger service partners there and I was asking them what kind of level of business that they see out there, and they said that they were particularly in VSAT installations, which was sort of a proxy to me of our LBAND installations that often go with them and whatnot, they said they were roughly about 70%, of where they normally would have thought that they would have been. And I asked them how much of that was a slowdown due to some of those issues I just described and how much of that was sort of due to the overall economy and that sort of thing. And they said they had record backlog. So it was almost all due to installation. And they have a global installation team. So they weren't really limited by some of the problems that I told you about. So I think it's mostly these challenges sort of COVID creates in terms of getting installers on ships and that sort of thing. I think as that starts recovering here and I don't know that that will happen in the fourth quarter or first quarter, even in next year. But I believe they're getting better and better at figuring out ways of getting terminals onto ship. And then I think we'll see the numbers grow. It's just hard to forecast at this point, how fast that they will.

Excuse me. Our next question is from Louie DiPalma from William Blair. Go ahead.

Congrats to you, and the Aireon, Iridium teams on the FAA contract announcement.

It's been longtime coming; I think for Don, I'm happy for him and happy for the FAA.

And on that note, can you provide a high-level more details in terms of what that expanded relationship entails for like the debate of ADS-B versus ADS-C and know how the FAA may be viewing those two technologies long-term. I know that you also provide ADS-B. But can you just at a high-level discuss that debate and what it might mean with the FAA?

Yes, well, that debate, ADS-C is a traditional every 15 minute sending a position report through a satellite connection like our safety service terminals that are on long haul airplanes. That has been sort of -- that is the baseline. And that is what's been done for a number of years. ADS-B is the sending not through a satellite network, but through a standalone transponder from every airplane a position report twice a second, and that been picked up in the past by ground transmitters but now by Aireon space-based ADS-B. ADS-B is ubiquitous, and it provides position information, but it's actually complementary to ADS-C, which is more of a communication technology and goes along with a number of other things that you can send through the satellite network. So we've always felt, as has Aireon, that the two technologies were complementary and would grow together. You're right, there was a debate with one other company that thought ADS-B, or that ADS-C was the way that you should go and that you should only install Satellite Systems onto airplanes, et cetera. So I think that debate is over. I think it's been over for a year. I think the view of not just the FAA, but of all the ANSPs around the world is that they're complementary and both will be utilized for both surveillance and communication and together -- taken together, they will provide higher safety, more efficiency, more accuracy, better travel times, fuel savings, and the like. So I hope that answers your question.

Yes, that was great. And in terms of the expanded relationship, is the expanding relationship more of, like an IT systems relationship in order for the FAA to like enhance its systems in order to be like integrated with Aireon or is it something different from that?

No, look, it's a -- the use of Aireon's data set in many more ways than had previously been quite limited. They have expanded the use of the data to use in a number of applications. It's hard for me to go much beyond that. I'd really rather frankly that the FAA and Aireon told you more about that. We're just pleased to report that that there's been a step-up, it's certainly not the complete potential of that relationship and where it ultimately can go in terms of size and revenue and that sort of thing for Aireon and the scope of use of the data yet with the FAA, but it's significantly greater than it had been before and felt it was worth kind of calling out because we've had this discussion for years about when and if the FAA would get more involved with Aireon and take advantage of it. And I think it's important to sort of say we see that happening now.

Yes, definitely. You guys have been talking about the FAA catalysts for at least eight years. So it's definitely great to see. One last question in terms of the increase in broadband ARPU, are you seeing a lot of your open port subscribers upgrading to Certus or more of the Certus or more of the broadband activations completely new subscribers?

There is both going on. I will say, based upon our expectations several years ago, open port has actually I think been holding up better, if you will less, less replacements and I think we were expecting or you could say potentially feared because if it's just sort of a one-for-one, we weren't really gaining market share. I'd say that open -- I think it probably goes along with the fact that it's difficult to get these new broadband terminals onto ships, it also means it's harder to get older technology off the ships as well. So, while the transition has not been happening, open port sales, open port customers, subscribers have been not declining that fast. And so I would say it's -- I don't know two-thirds, probably new sales and one-third, maybe something like that replacements, it's hard. That's a really rough number and not really relevant, maybe even more sometimes 50:50 is hard to tell exactly what that is. But those are new, new sales, they're at higher ARPUs of course, because of the higher speeds and higher usage. And that's why that the mix is still heavily oriented towards open port terminal still in our broadband revenues. So the ARPUs are going up, but that that will -- I expect would continue as the mix favors more and more higher speed Certus terminals.

Our next question is from Anthony Klarman from Deutsche Bank. Go ahead.

Hi, thanks. Two questions. First on the CapEx revision or the modest increase in CapEx? I certainly think it makes sense in the context of the $200 million run rate free cash flow you're producing; I guess maybe Tom, what should we think about in terms of returns or payback on that incremental CapEx spend? How do you – how should we think about it in terms of sort of future margin improvement or other kinds of benefits that you'll see from that incremental $30 million investment?

Well, I mean, if you just for example, if you look at how we're growing in personal communications, adding functionality to that could really accelerate that rate of growth and so the returns could be really very attractive, we think there's the shot that the growth could get there.

Got it. Thank you. And then all right, go ahead, Matt. Sorry.

No, well, that's, I think Tom covered it pretty well. I mean we have a long roadmap of things that our partners would like to see us do to fully exploit our network with a number of different transceivers and new products and incremental things. And we could continue to spend the same level and deliver those things over extended period of time, but what we're kind of doing is accelerating those earlier than they would otherwise be developed if we maintain that $35 million run rate. So it's generating revenues earlier for us in some ways which obviously have a positive overall rate of return.

Yes, maybe you just answered my follow-up, but I'll ask it in case there's any additional clarifying details, is it that the CapEx will be sort of $45 million for call it three years, but then maybe, rather than the subsequent years being $35 million, maybe they are sort of $30 million to $32 million? Are you literally just pulling future CapEx forward that would have been in that $35 million run rate and then also pulling forward the incremental revenue recognition or operational expense benefits?

No, we said, Anthony that the $45 million -- it's going to go to $45 million based on projects that we see it's going to bump to $45 million for three years, and we think it settles back down to $35 million. So the 10-year average if you will, which we had thought about as $35 million is going to be $40-ish million and is the only provider there is what we don't include is any launch of our ground spares because we've not made a decision to do that. We don't know whether we're going to do that. So that wouldn't be enough. But it feels to us like we got three $45 million and then the balance of $35 million so average $40 million for the CapEx holiday period, which we had previously thought of as a $35 million average; think of it as a bump.

Okay, understood.

You know, like the takeaway here is look, we just put up record subscribers right, we think we got to play to this trend is most notably this personal communications trend investors should consider what could be the penetration of Iridium into consider the number of smart phones in the world. And this personal communication is turning out to be accessory to a smart phone. And so additional functionality playing into that market, we think is could be very meaningful returns.

Yes, thank you and maybe a question on guidance. If I look at the $355 million, you're actually back to the original low end of guidance that you provided in February, obviously pre-COVID, which is pretty exceptional, I think when you think about what the impact is to the business and the leverage guidance is now back to the original leverage target of four times. But the service revenue guidance is still only about half of what the original guidance was. I was hoping you could maybe give us some additional color on the other benefits that you've seen maybe come back a little faster. Clearly, some of it is expense reductions, which you've talked about before. But could you maybe talk about what some of the other catalysts were there kind of getting you back to the original low end of the guidance range, despite all the impacts the business has seen?

So its expense reductions it’s travel, it's sadly incentives are down, right because we're not quite where we needed to be. And we're pay for performance kind of a company, so that's less. So we're getting natural expense reductions from slightly lower level of EBITDA production. And that's what's resulted in us getting to the very low end of our previous range.

And would you think, Tom, on those comments that if the world starts to normalize, maybe we'll use the timeframe Matt talked about in his comments of maybe it's not 2021. But maybe it's 2022 when we're a bit more normalized. Do some of those expenses have to creep back into the business, such that you're sort of more in a normalized state at some point in the future, and we shouldn't necessarily just run rate exit levels of operational expense here?

Yes, you shouldn't run rate exit levels because for one incentives will come back. So we'll pay at 100% for a level of performance in 2021. So you're going to see a year-over-year expense increase as to that. As to SG&A kind of, it's a new world. Let's see what travel winds up being, are we going to travel the same way we used to, and so we'll have to establish what the new run rate is in post-COVID how do we all work, how do we travel, it feels like it ought to be down from what it was pre-COVID but probably up from where we see 2020 we'll have to figure that out.

Our next question is from Hamed Khorsand from BWS Financial. Go ahead.

Good morning. So on the last call; you mentioned you were running promos. Did that generate the return you were looking for? Or was that just harmful to gross margins this quarter?

Well, we're always running promotions. You can see we had really strong subscriber growth. I don't think it was related really to specific promotions. I would say it was positive in that it continues to help encourage our positive activations and performance ongoing. But yes, I'd say it is definitely still continuing to be positive.

And then on the retail side, do you think the growth that you saw this quarter as far as the demand; do you think that was a pull in from the holiday season? Or do you think it's going to be resilient again, for the holiday shopping season?

No, I mean what I can tell I don't think anything's a pull in. I mean, I think people you might have seen, we announced a week or two ago, just a study we had done, where we had looked at state -- state parks, we looked at like the 10 top state parks in the U.S. and sort of looked at the usage of our network, and it was up something like 26% or something over last year. I think people are using these personal communication devices as they increasingly get off the grid during social distancing. So I think it was the strong summer usage of those devices, as people got out and they couldn't travel to exotic locations, they were certainly at least getting off grid. And it's also representing the fact that there's just more and more devices out there, both the existing partners like Garmin have more and more devices that are satellite connected, and we see a number of new partners that are showing some success particularly there's one called Zoleo. But there's a number of others as well that are offering consumer devices that people are finding attractive that they want to stay connected while they're away from cell phone coverage, which is still spotty in many places, and still only covers less than 15% of the planet. So I believe that was a complete summer activity and doesn't really forecast anything as to what will happen for Christmas season or any other kind of periods.

And lastly on the equipment revenue, can you help us to decipher how much of that bump in equipment was related to retail versus Certus equipment of the new installs?

Well, I mean equipment is broad-based. I'd say especially as it relates to margins, and that sort of thing, handsets is obviously is a high margin area for us. And the fact that we saw sort of a recovery based upon previous expectations of what handset sales would be because our voice business strengthened during the summer, it was a better summer season than I think we were worried about back in the second quarter, when everything locked down.. So we saw more handsets. IoT continues to be very strong across the board in terms of sending modems out, setting the devices out that go into all kinds of IoT devices. I don't think a lot of it is related to broadband because I don't think there is no --

Because our vendor sells Certus equipment.

That is really -- we just sell a radio and it doesn't add tons of margin when we sell the radio to our value-added manufacturers and then they turn that into terminals and sell those to fleets and ship owners and that sort of thing.

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question is from Mathieu Robilliard from Barclays. Go ahead.

Hey, good morning and thank you for taking the questions. I had a follow-up question on the equipment side. So obviously, you pointed to very strong IoT devices during the quarter. And in terms of the contribution to equipment and I was wondering if all of that is already reflected in IoT subscribers that are activated generating service revenue that creates a tailwind for good growth in IoT into Q4. So that was the first question?

Yes, so I mean equipment sales are more of a harbinger of the future, as opposed to current because it takes anywhere from three to 12 months for equipment to kind of get into service. So I think when -- it's fair to say, when you see equipment firming up and improving, it's really a sign that our partners are bullish about the future and have orders that they need to fulfill in future quarters as opposed to current quarters. The equipment that was used in the third quarter was equipment sold, several quarters ago probably in most cases for IoT.

Thanks, great. And then I have a question on Certus product on Aviation and maybe I didn't get everything you said in your prepared remarks. But in terms of the Certus product, when can we expect it to be ready to be marketed in aviation?

Yes, it's taken longer than I had hoped due to a variety of factors. I'm sure as it relates to the licensed terminal manufacturers who have licensed as I said, there's six who are working on terminals, we started to see as you could see in the last couple of months, some of them are starting to announce successful demonstrations and trials of their technology. I mentioned two who've been pretty public in this last quarter Collins and SKYTRAC but there's four others that are also at various stages, and starting to see some progress as we're seeing them come into the lab to test their designs with our systems. And so we're starting to get visibility that some of them are telling us that they believe that they'll be ready and certified at least one or two in 2021. And that's encouraging. And there could be more, but I think that they'll be coming online in 2021 and 2022 for the most part. Which is, I said, I guess while it's taken longer to see the aviation side of the business, which we think, we have a lot of advantages for given our global network and the smaller size of our antennas and the fit for the cockpit use et cetera in corporate and general aviation, in rotorcraft and other market segments. Frankly, the aviation downturn kind of gave our partners a little bit more time to get their products ready. And I think as we start to see those markets recover, they'll all be ready with very competitive and exciting new products to offer that space.

Our next question is from Chris Quilty from Quilty Analytics. Go ahead.

Hi, guys. A follow-up question on the CapEx which by the way, I mean nobody's happy when you spend more money. But I think it's a good decision in the context to get those products to market. And the question I had for you was, first of all, Tom, can you break that down into how much is going to facility consolidation versus new products? And the second part is on the new products, as you just mentioned recently, you've typically been moving towards a strategy of building modules that you then feed to your WANs. Are you allocating any of this development for actual finished product? Or is it a continuation of that previous strategy?

So I'll take the first part, Chris, the facilities is about three a year in 2021 and 2022.

So that covers that quickly. As far as the second question is broad-based effect, you could say, why are we doing this now in the third quarter part of is because we're budgeting right now for 2021. And we have so many things that our technology team wants to develop and for which our product management and partner management team has been requesting and it covers a wide range. Some of it has to do with even satellite developments and strong network efficiencies that would get a lot of performance, capacity efficiency out of our network and some -- and a big part of it still goes towards accelerating this roadmap of devices that are the foundation for more and more applications in all the different market segments that we are. And I will say we have some ideas for some additional finished products as well, that may or may not be in that category as well. But that's not really our strategic focus. For the most part, what we're really trying to do is continue to deliver more and more product because that is our growth model. We put more modules and devices and capabilities in the hands of more and more partners and more and more market segments. And that drives growth. And as the market recovers in 2021 or 2022, we want to be there with the best portfolio and the broadest portfolio covering all those additional market segments. So, like I said, I just looked at, I looked at next year and thought I have about at least $45 million, actually more than $45 million worth of demand for what we could be delivering right now. And while we could have probably slowed things down and done $35 million, it just seems to make sense at this time to really step on the gas a bit.

Understand. And a specific question, you mentioned that the U.S. government is buying Certus services off the commercial gateway, are they using commercial off the shelf devices?

Yes, yes, at this time, their revenues are using either Thales or Cobham Certus terminals. And primarily, I think we've even talked about some applications that have used Thales MissionLINK terminals in the traditional environment, but there's some sales in the maritime environment as well that will continue to expand into 2021. And then we're starting to see a lot of interest in what we call Ffx or the new Iridium 9770 modem. There's a number of different applications that they like the portability and not just them, but other many other applications on both the commercial and international side as well that will take advantage of that that new modem and ideas of other devices as well.

Okay. And is there an effort or a possibility of securing government funding for government specific product development?

Yes, and I mean, we've been very good at doing that over the years that goes into our engineering revenues, you saw this is obviously a good quarter in terms of sort of fulfilling contracts. Our number of contracts we have doing special development, whether it's developing things like the distributed tech communication system or new IoT applications or other specialized devices and modems that just, I think is expanding in some ways. I mean, it's not obviously, the area of revenue, that's the most strategic orientation for us, but it's all good, all good margin revenue, because it develops more capabilities as many times can be used in commercial applications as well. But yes, that continues.

Got you. One question on maritime, what's the status of GMDSS?

Very, very soon. It is in actually the beta trials are now completed, we're in sort of a final cleanup mode of the final, final barriers because that thing has to -- that service has to be absolutely bulletproof. And I believe it will be commercial literally within weeks at this point. And we're excited to see that date. It's a very comprehensive and end-to-end service products with lots of connections. We're completing all those connections with all the different safety service organizations around the world for navigational information and meteorological information and testing all those links and finalizing the absolute final bugs being cleaned up in the terminals and end-to-end systems but it's very robust at this point, and literally is within a few weeks of going commercial.

And you do expect to have some of your other partner products certified because I think right now you just got one standalone terminal with Thales?

Yes, that is going to be the primary vehicle for definitely the next few quarters. We're starting to work on the process of getting Certus terminals, a Certus service completed and certified that will still be a lot of effort, but there is activity around that front as well. And that will be the primary next phase, we won't see any other standalone terminals installed; it will be Certus based terminals after this.

Okay. And final question back to Aireon. What's the next step with the FAA like what would be the next announcement or the next milestone that the guys at Aireon will be targeting?

I think this is a major step. I mean, obviously the use of the data for broader, I mean it's still continued additional applications they could use in terms of the data in oceanic regions, and for domestic regions, and there's lots of other still applications that they can work with on Aireon. And I think that will be a focus for 2021 for the two of them to continue working on it. They're still in, I would say the development stage, they're doing a lot of development of the automation systems and that sort of thing and integrating them. So it will be really the usage of that to control traffic which is still to come yet.

Okay. And there is still an expectation that at some point, perhaps in 2021, that there's just a big long-term fixed price contract that the FAA signs?

Yes, I think that's a fair assumption, again I mean, our focus is I've been trying to actually defocus a little bit away from this. I mean, this is great news for Aireon and continues to be, but it really doesn't make that much difference in terms of our business. We're not waiting for anything like that in terms of our expectations of timing for getting hosting fees or dividends. I don't think it will really affect that time timeline. I think what Tom described in terms of our timeline is what we're going to see no matter what other announcements you see between Aireon and FAA. So it's probably not as important to focus on that anymore from an Iridium perspective. And I think the focus should be on really what Aireon and the FAA announced in the future going forward.

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to management for final remarks.

Well, thanks, everybody for joining us. It was a good quarter. And I think we now have visibility to the rest of the year. And we look forward to seeing you as we maybe sometime I guess in February for as we talk about the full-year and talk about 2021 at that time. So thanks all for joining us. Take care.

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