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Q3 2013 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 18, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Ingersoll Rand Third Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now turn the call over to your host, Janet Pfeffer, Vice President, Treasury and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Janet Pfeffer

Analyst

Thank you, Stephanie. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Ingersoll Rand's Third Quarter 2013 Conference Call. We released earnings at 7:00 this morning, and the release is posted on our website. We'll be broadcasting, in addition to this phone call, through our website at ingersollrand.com, where you will find the slide presentation that we will be using this morning. This call will be recorded and archived on our website. If you would please go to Slide 2. Statements made in today's call that are not historical facts are considered forward-looking and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of securities laws. Please see our SEC filings for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to vary from anticipated. The release also contains non-GAAP measures, which are explained in the financial tables attached to our news release. A couple of things of note before I turn the call over to Mike. Similar to last quarter, we will be talking to adjusted margins during our commentary this morning, which excludes refinancing costs, impairment, restructuring and spin-related costs. Our news release and tables give you the reconciliation of GAAP to adjusted margins. This is consistent with how we've given guidance all year. As a reminder, earlier this year, we transferred a business line from Security Technologies to Residential. This was just about $20 million of revenue in the third quarter. There was no impact at the consolidated levels. And in the charts and comments, we'll focus on the year-over-year change in revenues and orders for those businesses on a comparable basis so that we're best representing the underlying performance. Now to introduce the participants on this morning's call: Mike Lamach, Chairman and CEO; Sue Carter, Senior Vice President and CFO, who joined us in September; Steve Shawley, Senior Vice President; and Joe Fimbianti, Director of Investor Relations. With that, please go to Slide 3, and I'll turn it to Mike.

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Thanks, Janet. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on today's call. We delivered growth and profitability above our earnings guidance in the third quarter, with solid operational execution across the company. Our revenues for the third quarter were up 4% versus last year, both on a reported basis and excluding foreign exchange, reflecting top line performance and top-of-our-guidance range. Revenues were up in each of the 4 sectors. Orders increased 7%, and we're up in all 4 sectors. Orders were up double digits in commercial unitary HVAC, most of which shipped in the third quarter, and residential HVAC. Recall that year-over-year comparisons for residential HVAC bookings are not that indicative given improvements in the order of ship cycle time as a result of the value stream work we've been conducting. Adjusted earnings per share for the third quarter were $1.16, that's $0.06 above the midpoint of our guidance range of $1.07 to $1.12. Better performance from operations and higher revenues delivered upside of $0.05. A positive $0.03 came from a gain on the sale of a security technology manufacturing site, which was closed as part of a footprint consolidation earlier this year. This is the same product line that Janet mentioned as being transferred from Security to Residential for reporting purposes. And the impact on operating income was $21 million, which was recorded in the security technology sector but after deducting the joint venture partner share and taxes, it was $0.03 of EPS. This is a result of the factory consolidation project we've talked about the past few quarters, and it's a great example of operational excellence in the company. We have known all year that we were going to have the gain within the year, but due to government approval timing, we were just not positive in…

Susan K. Carter

Analyst

Thanks, Mike, and let me add that I look forward to meeting many of you in a few weeks in New York. Let me give you a high-level summary and then dive into the details. Our bookings for the quarter were up 7%; revenues were up 4%; our operating margins without restructuring, one-time items and the gain on the property sale, improved 80 basis points; and we generated $474 million of available cash. Ingersoll Rand had good operating results in the third quarter. Now let's go to Slide 4. Orders for the third quarter of 2013 were up 7% on a reported basis and excluding currency. Climate orders were up 7%, global commercial HVAC bookings were up high single digits, transport orders were up mid-single digits, industrial orders were up 2%, with order growth in Europe, Asia and Club Car and flat bookings in Americas. Residential bookings were up 18% on a comparable basis. Commercial Security orders in the quarter were up 6% on a comparable basis. Now go to Slide 5, please. Here's a look at the revenue trends by segment and region. The top half of the chart shows revenue change for each sector. For the total company, third quarter revenues were up 4% versus last year on both a reported basis and excluding currency. Climate revenues increased 4%, with HVAC revenues up low single digits and transport revenues up high single digits. Industrial revenues were up 3%. Residential was up 6% on a comparable basis. Commercial Security revenues were up 5% on a comparable basis. I'll give more color on each sector in the next few slides. On the bottom chart, which shows revenue change on a geographic basis, revenues were up 4% in the Americas, while Europe, Middle East and Africa and Asia were up 5%…

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Sue, and please go to Slide 12. Some of the prior quarter's guidance for 2013 is on an as-is basis. It assumes the current Ingersoll Rand 4 current operating sectors was in place for the full 12 months of 2013. Subject to receipt of the approvals in the SEC and IRS, we expect the security spend to take place in the fourth quarter. However, consistent with our convention all year long, this guidance does not reflect the spend. Likewise, consistent with our prior guidance, we have broken out spend and restructuring costs from the core EPS guidance in order to give the best representation of the company without the impact of the impending spend. To give you an update on our market views, let's start with U.S. non-residential. Dodge construction starts and Put in Place trends have deteriorated somewhat since our prior guidance. The Put in Place outlook was lowered in Commercial and Industrial and institutional market segments. The Commercial and Industrial Put in Place forecast for 2013 went from up 9% to up 6%. Institutional markets are expected to be down for the year by 7% versus down 5% in the prior Dodge market forecast. The construction starts forecast for 2013 was lowered from up 8% to up 5%, mainly due to a lower outlook in institutional, which is now expected to have 7% lower starts than 2012. The prior forecast was for 2% lower starts. Starts is a longer lead indicator for us, so we would -- I think the impact would be greater in 2014 than in 2013. We continue to expect low single digit growth in North American commercial HVAC overall and flat to a low single digit decline in North American Commercial Security. We expect North American truck trailer markets to be fairly…

Steven R. Shawley

Analyst

Thank you, Mike.

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

So Steve, Sue and I will be happy now to take your questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Julian Mitchell with Crédit Suisse. Julian Mitchell - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: Just in terms of the productivity trends, you had about 30 bps of net productivity tailwind to your margin in Q3. That was after 50 bps in Q2 and 90 bps in Q1. So I just wondered if that reflected simply a shrinkage of the tailwind around materials or anything going on in terms of gross productivity, if there was just some slowdown in that as you approached the spin-off of Allegion?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Yes, Julien, this is Mike. And the short answer is no. The movement in the gap that we've been seeing has been really higher other inflation this year, driven by the benefit costs and wage increases, but the productivity itself has been fairly steady. The value streams, which would be the labor, productivity component, have continued to show excellent results, and sourcing is right on track, delivering the expected levels of productivity there. You can actually see that on the gross margins. We're up about 100 basis points. One thing that is shifting and it's shifting by design and evolution, is the amount of value analysis and value engineering productivity. And that has been last because, as you can imagine now, after 4 years of developing new products and more new products sort of being imminent, there's less need and less old product to go do VA/VE work. But the replacement for that is new product that hopefully higher market -- sorry, higher margins and higher market shares. So I don't think there's an issue here with the sort of runway in front of us, but the only maybe mix change is around that VA/VE component. As far as G&A areas, I still think we're in the early innings there on that. Clearly, we're investing more right now in IT system conversion than we're seeing in productivity, but that's a long process of getting kind of systems installed and obviously, productivity that results on the back end of that. But that's not a surprise to anything that we've been talking about now for the last couple of years. Julian Mitchell - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: And then on the top line, this is always the time of year when people try and get excited about U.S. Commercial construction recovering in the year ahead. It doesn't sound in your commentary as if you're seeing much change. I mean, you did push up the bottom end of your Climate market growth assumption for this year. But when you look across the equipment and the services and parts business in the U.S. Commercial, are you seeing much change? Or it's pretty much steady as it was at the beginning of the year?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Well, actually, service and parts bookings have been good. I mean, the surprise was this year, in the third quarter, was twofold, really in the Trane business, where we had much higher Unitary sales than we had anticipated, and that is going into a strong commercial and industrial market in North America. The other thing that was a bit of a surprise in the third quarter was our Applied business bookings, particularly in North America, were up. And they're up kind of high single digits in North America, and that really helps us relative to what we had expected in quarter 1, quarter 2, even potentially quarter 3 of next year. So it's a long lead delivery on those, but that was a nice sign. But with all that being said, though, we use a number of data points. I know you're familiar with most of these, and the one that we've seen a slip since the last time we talked has been that Dodge data, both the Put in Place and the starts coming down again. So we're somewhat muted in our 2014 view at this point in time as to calling a commercial recovery. We do love what we've seen in the certainly commercial and industrial space. And we do believe, both in Unitary and a small bit of Applied that goes into that market, that we've done very well in those markets.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Nigel Coe with Morgan Stanley.

Nigel Coe - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

And Steve, congratulations on the retirement. Very, very jealous. I'm about 20 years from that event, so very, very jealous.

Steven R. Shawley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Fair enough, Nigel.

Nigel Coe - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

So just going to pick up on that point. I mean, obviously, the bulk of your commercial exposure is retrofit and replacements. We've seen significant deferral of replacements, particularly within the applied markets. I'm just wondering, are you seeing the sort of the start of the elements of a replacement cycle? Are you seeing a pick up in cooling activity? Any color on that would be good.

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Well, I mean, there has been the launch of quite a bit of new applied product, but frankly, unitary as well that is more efficient, is more reliable. And in that regard, it's always better in conversations with customers when you're able to apply shorter paybacks on what we're doing. So about half the market, I think, is visible through what we see in Dodge, and half the market is the market we create through, I would say, owner direct activity, really pitching energy efficiency and retrofits in buildings. And so frankly, although the Dodge market is unimpressive, I think we continue to do well around energy efficiency, your replacements and to owners.

Nigel Coe - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay, great. And then switching to Europe, I mean, I guess Europe is a bit of a surprise with -- you've had commercial HVAC up mid-teens and upper single digit growth within Industrial. So can you just provide some color around what you've seen in Europe? I mean, is this just sort of a flush through in your comps? How sustainable is this kind of growth rate in Europe in your opinion?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Well, for the full year 2013 across the company, we see Western Europe is still down only slightly. The big pickup for us has been Eastern Europe. And then actually, from the way we consolidate that, the Middle East is in that number, and the Middle East has been up quite nicely, particularly in the HVAC business. So Western Europe, not fully recovered; Eastern Europe, doing very, very well; and the Middle East, of course, doing well, too.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Deane Dray with Citi Research.

Deane M. Dray - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Citi Research.

I was hoping you'd give some color in sizing the investment spending that you've done in Climate? And what type of investment you're thinking about in the next year or so?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · Citi Research.

Yes, Deane. It's not been a program. I think everyone knows that we've been measuring vitality across the businesses for at least 4, maybe little bit longer years now, and we've had sort of a steady influx across all of our businesses. Climate specifically has been a big benefactor of that, both in Commercial and in Residential. So we would continue apace. I mean, you might see the pace to be, incrementally, a little bit higher for 2014, although we really haven't put together yet the concrete plans for 2014 yet across those businesses. But some fantastic ideas around what we're doing there. And quite a bit of investment going on in the applied products, whereas the last 2, 3 years, we've seen that in the Unitary product. We're looking now at -- for many of the broader lines, historically high shares across the business. And that's indicative of really having put together, I think, the right product plans and have made the right deliveries. So there's actually quite a bit going on in terms of new product launches this fourth quarter and on through the middle of next year, particularly in the Trane and Commercial business. Actually, Trane -- Commercial, Trane res together. So yes, I can't give you a definitive number. I don't see a slowing down. The investments we made have been long term and programmatic. There've been really geared against a long term, multi-generation product plan. I'd add the same thing translates over to Thermo King, where we've continued to invest in next-generation trailer product, and we'll continue to do that in 2014 as well. So steady as she goes, maybe a little bit more incrementally. But so far, I think it's added to the top line margin expansion that we've seen.

Deane M. Dray - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Citi Research.

And on the residential HVAC side, can you comment on the mix at the lower end, Ameristar? How -- what kind of traction have they seen? And do you have a sense of any share gains in the quarter?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · Citi Research.

We are having good success with Ameristar. Ameristar is right on plan for us, no changes there. And relative to what we see, sort of in -- across sort of the board there, R-22 is certainly down, as I mentioned, about 10%. A little bit actually of a bit of a resurgence in the second quarter versus the trend line that we're on, I don't think enough to be a concern. But as some replacements were done really in the second, third quarter, just a bit more mixed toward R-22 than what we had projected. Not a big deal, but we were in position with a product and at the right price point to look at that. So it's really difficult to comment on residential HVAC shares on a quarter-to-quarter basis. I think what we probably do is similar to last year. We might give you sort of a more definitive answer to that question early next year, looking back on a full year. But we like what we're doing. We like the growth. The product, I think, is right. The margin expansion is what we thought it would be. So we feel pretty good about the execution of the team. And as I said in the earlier question, some very interesting product coming out for us in the fourth quarter and through the season next year that, I think, will be pretty exciting.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Volkmann with Jefferies.

Stephen E. Volkmann - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Jefferies.

Mike, I just wanted to make sure I kind of understand your thinking about the fourth quarter, because it feels like we had a pretty good sequential increase in orders this quarter and yet, we don't have a ton of growth next quarter. Is there anything we should be aware about, vis-a-vis, tough comps or onetime or long-term sort of orders or anything like that, that would help true that up?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · Jefferies.

No. It's the nature of what's booked. And maybe to give you just a little bit of color on that, if you take North America as an example, where we were up in HVAC 7%, half of that really is in the aftermarket parts and services. And so there's really no order that shipped there as -- as quickly as we get people on the street, parts shipped to the customer. 72% of the balance was Unitary and that's about 70% shipped in Q3. So we've got 30% of that portion left to ship. All the nice Applied bookings, though, really got extended out into quarter 1, quarter 2, and it's when the customer is fundamentally ready or the building is ready for shipment. So that's indicative of sort of our business here as between service and parts, and then you get into Unitary, which is very quick ship, turning ship for us. It really just takes that applied and moves it out a bit for us. Same is true, we had a nice growth in China air; we were up 8% bookings there, but all of that is 2014. In fact, even toward the back half of 2014 in the China air business. And actually, a product that we've launched and are developing in China for the Unitary HVAC business, a new product, was up 66%. But again, all that product is due for us in 2014. And I could go through each of these businesses, but as we go through that and we did our operating reviews on Tuesday of this week, we just didn't get any sense that there was something missing here between the translation of the 7% bookings and the fourth quarter midpoint estimate we have of about 2.5% growth. So, Steve, it does line up 2014, where we've got a little bit of backlog, we'll be able to take into 2014. That's probably the good news.

Stephen E. Volkmann - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Jefferies.

Yes. That sounds positive. And then I guess I'm also curious about 2014 directionally. When you think about the productivity potential improvements, do those continue kind of through 2014 at the current level? Or is there a reason for it to sort of move one way or another?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · Jefferies.

Well, we're not going to give guidance on 2014 productivity, but I'd just take you back. Lean for us, still early innings. Our global sourcing organization a little over 1 year old now. So that's still kind of early innings. We really have in front of us all of the functional excellence work that we want to undertake inside the company. Part of that enabled through the IT work and part of it enabled really just through organizational change that we might make there. So fundamentally, I don't see why we would slow down productivity in 2014. I assure you, our plans are to maintain that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research.

Jeffrey T. Sprague - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Mike, I just want to make sure I understood your message on restructuring. So the comment is that the plan, as it stands today is, for $50 million of restructuring. But as you go into Q4, you're looking for additional actions to kind of prepare Remain-co for separation. Is that the way to think about it?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Yes, Jeff, that's exactly right.

Jeffrey T. Sprague - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research.

And as we get into next year, is there a tail of restructuring activity associated with kind of new co, or you get that done in Q4? And is there any anticipated change to the way you restructure or the pace of restructuring or how you even incorporate restructuring in your guidance once we get into 2014?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Jeff, for now, think about that restructuring really about being sort of longer payback, sort of 1-year-type savings on that. So I don't think it's going to be sort of a headwind or a tailwind for us next year in the way you should think about 2014. It would certainly help the company sort of on a go-forward basis on that.

Jeffrey T. Sprague - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research.

But you'll get most of what you want to get done for '14 kind of booked in the fourth quarter, it sounds like?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Well, hard to know if we're able to do that. But certainly, we would like to be able to get on it as quickly as we can. And there's no doubt that some things that we do might take a little bit longer. But that's our focus at this point in time.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mig Dobre with Robert W Baird. Joseph M. Grabowski - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: This is Joe Grabowski sitting in for Mig. I wanted to ask about the Thermo King bookings. Last quarter, they were up pretty solidly mid-teens. Seems like this quarter, they've sort of normalized back to the mid-single digit range. Is that sort of the run rate we should expect going forward?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

We've had -- North America I think, is probably more what you're referring to. We've had a forecast for trailer of about 34,000 units and [indiscernible] had a forecast of about 37,000 units. And we don't see the 37,000, and if we stretch it, we might see it some between 34,000 and 35,000 units. And so I think it'll normalize back to our projections, which is really based on a deep understanding of actual truck customers that we're talking to and what their buying expectations and habits and patterns actually are for our business. So we think we've got the forecast right here. And there was a lot of sort of early-season booking this year. Certainly, we're delivering against those, the shipments as we speak. But I don't -- we don't see it as a 37,000-unit market.

Steven R. Shawley

Analyst

And remember, the first quarter was pretty flat for TK, certainly the TK North American trailers. So we're kind of catching up with that such as when we average out for the year, it's going to be about in the single digits. So... Joseph M. Grabowski - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: That makes sense. That's very helpful. So then, sort of the high single digit revenue gains you've been seeing there the last couple of quarters, though should also sort of normalize to more than mid-single digit range going forward?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

The only anomaly might be, as you think about the new precedent product, which is sort of the car plant now to a bore reg product, it's a more expensive product. So even on a same-unit volume, we mix up a little higher on that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Mike, can you talk about how you're thinking about price actions next year? I mean, it seems like we're in a pretty muted commodity environment and still demand environment. But what's your thought about kind of going out with price across the businesses?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Yes, Jeff. In a company that has as many products and channels as we have, that's a question that you can't answer in aggregate for the company; it really comes down to how we're thinking about different businesses, different competitive situations. And what I would tell you fundamentally here is that I agree with you, it'll be a muted environment. We do think that we'll see a positive GAAP again next year priced to inflation. And all the work that's going on relative to pricing for us now in 2014, has really been understanding relative competitive position and how to price the economic value between ourselves and competitors, as well as to a more surgical approach to stratifying channels to provide the right pricing to the right channel partners and business. So you'll probably see us have price next year again, even in a market where there might be muted inflation and not a lot of announced price agreements. We would still expect to have price -- some positive price gaps.

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Okay. And then looking at the orders maybe a little bit differently, in the inflector from plus 1 to plus 7, can you talk about if there's any -- just break out how you saw it differently from an inflection point between the regions?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Well, yes. I mean, certainly, Europe was stronger than what we expected really across-the-board. So that was probably a surprise, #1. And then I would say, just as the Unitary piece of this -- particularly, I would say bookings for Unitary in the last week or 2 of the quarter were a little stronger than we had thought. That would -- that's what leaves us with 30% you have to shift, because the cycle times there are very short in that business. So that was a bit of a surprise. And frankly, we were really not thinking about the applied market being that strong. So we had really nice strength in Asia, specifically China, and we had great strength in the Americas, in the Trane, Applied business. So when you part to the part, Europe is a geography, but I'd say Climate, HVAC, Asia and TK really is sort of the business drivers.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steven Winoker with Sanford Bernstein. Steven E. Winoker - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., LLC., Research Division: So, Mike, what percentage of the cost base is now covered on value streams? Where are you on that? And is SIOP, as part of that, in your view pretty much fixed, in good shape, given you're starting to see some of these more rapid orders changes?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Yes, Steve. Todd would say that, look, by the end of the year, we'll be at 40% next year. I think our plans right now will be closer to 60% at that point in time. SIOP is -- you're saying fixed. I mean, you're always trying to improve that. As you well know, Steve, in particular, just a bit of a background you had on lane [ph]. And so SIOP is a process, it's implemented. We've seen much better materials management. We've seen much better inventory control. We've seen much greater fill rates. We would expect continuous improvement in SIOP as it relates to what we're doing, and it's been part of the fundamental improvement in the company, along with all the other work going on. So SIOP has improved, working capital remains at really, I would say, top quartile levels around the diversified industrial peer group, and we have no reason to expect that, that won't continue to improve. Our expectations are to improve that. So there's this much more sophisticated work coming in, in 2014 and beyond, plan for every part, further work on stratifying our ABC materials analysis and different tools we're bringing into the organization as part of the standard operating system for the company. But we're executing a lot of that today. So... Steven E. Winoker - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., LLC., Research Division: Okay. And on Asia, you mentioned improving orders, but I know revenues were up just 2% x FX for the quarter. I mean, can you give us a little better sense of what the Asia mix is? Or where you're having kind of headwinds or just tailwinds in your business?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Oh, HVAC was really the very positive surprise on sort of what we've seen there, specifically in China relative to kind of where we were. So that's been a good story for us. And Air, it picked up in Q3. We think it'll pick up again in Q4, albeit those are typically very large, complex systems that are being pushed out 9 months, even a year for customer delivery in some of the locations. So we saw it across the board. I would say the Climate businesses have just generally been a bit stronger for us than industrial, which is still, we think, capacity-constrained and policy-constrained in China to a certain extent. So we see a recovery there, but it's somewhat muted relative to our HVAC performance, where we're having great success in things like health care and 4- and 5-star hotels. So the mix has moved away in HVAC from maybe industrial HVAC applications or from pharma or tech companies into hospitals and leisure. And in the Air side, it's still constrained a bit through some of the second-tier providers that we sell to, that would sell off to shipping and steel as an example.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Tusa with JPMorgan. Charles Stephen Tusa - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Just a couple of quick ones. First of all to say -- the details on Slide 9, you said HVAC revenues were up mid-single digits, but you said shipments increased by high single digits? So what was the difference between the units and revenues? Why would that be lower?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Looking at Slide 9, Steve, to see what's -- your talking residential? Charles Stephen Tusa - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Yes, because you basically said revenues were up mid-singles, but units are up high singles. So I'm just curious as to -- it doesn't seem like mix would be that massive or price. Or just curious as to what the difference is there.

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Mix and price, Steve, I guess I'd have to bridge what's left over exactly how much, but mix and price would be substantial in terms of the amount of '13 or '14 year business we're doing now versus what we used to do. So price has been a contributor for us as well. Price has been still very positive. So between the 2, I think that... Charles Stephen Tusa - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Well, I mean, units are higher than revenues. So if the mix was positive, wouldn't that be the opposite?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Well, the mix was lower SEER. Charles Stephen Tusa - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Oh, I got you. I got you.

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

[indiscernible] Right. Charles Stephen Tusa - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Why was it lower SEER?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Well, that's, again, the market moving there. And as you know, from the last couple of years, we've been trying to put product in that range. And whether it's Ameristar or Trane at new price points, it's been a focus for us to compete across the whole product -- over the whole 13 through 17-plus market. And we're selling more '13, '14 series mix, and that's -- mix is down for us in terms of price. And, of course, units are up. Charles Stephen Tusa - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Okay. And on the commercial front, clearly, a pretty strong number, and it looks like you're at least outperforming your peers like Carrier, who have called out things that are a little more negative. Is that just kind of regional differences? Or are you seeing traction on the new stuff that you introduced, the big booth at AHR last year? Is it kind of regional differences? Or maybe, do you really think you are kind of on the cusp of going on a nice run of taking share here?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Well, it's across the board. I mean, it's every single region of the world. Unitary is up nicely for us, and I could think about AP, EMEA and Unitary Americas, all had significant new product launches in the year that you saw at the HR show. So part of it certainly, I think, would be attributable to that. We've had really good success with the Unitary product within the marketplace.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Shannon O'Callaghan with Nomura.

Shannon O'Callaghan - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division

Analyst

Mike, just on this -- so on this kind of suprising pickup in Applied, now that you've seen it -- I mean, have you been able to kind of decipher a little bit more what drove it and how sustainable you feel it is? Sometimes things can be a little bumpy at this part of the cycle. I mean, does it feel like there's potential follow-on to that?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Shannon, I'd say I consider to think about it as being bumpy. The data we're looking at still is moving dramatically. And the Dodge data, 2Q to 3Q, particularly institutional, has moved down. So I mean, to me, it feels a bit lumpy. Again, it's been really great for us to see, particularly in applied, the large chiller business into the [indiscernible] business to look at our shares there, really again kind of approaching historic highs for the company. That's all well and good, but it's not really driven by Put in Place or starts getting us excited.

Shannon O'Callaghan - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And in terms of those share improvements, I mean, you guys are pretty active in new products. Have you seen any counter from some -- any of your competitors in terms of trying to launch against you with some new products of their own?

Michael W. Lamach

Analyst

Absolutely. I mean, it's a competitive business. We've got great, strong competitors. Nobody is sitting back on their heels. We're just working a long-term multi-generation product plan, thinking 3 to 5 years out. There's new technology that we're incorporating in new product development, so it's -- often times, if you think about new technology, it needs to be proven before you put it in new product development. So we're having, I think, some great success, where NTI work is now proving out to the point where it's being introduced into new product development. And that's created, I think, an advantage in reliability and in efficiency, which, I think, a great place is to compete. So that's really what's been happening. I could extend that to Thermo King, and I can certainly extend that to -- really, all of our businesses, I think, are following the same formula.

Operator

Operator

And I'm showing no further questions. I will now turn the call back over to Janet Pfeffer for closing remarks.

Janet Pfeffer

Analyst

Thank you, and thank you, everyone. We look forward to seeing many of you on November 12 in New York City. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. That does conclude today's conference. You may all disconnect, and have a wonderful day.