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Inter Parfums, Inc. (IPAR)

Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Wed, Mar 13, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Inter Parfums Fourth Quarter 2012 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Russell Greenberg, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer for Inter Parfums. Thank you. Mr. Greenberg, you may begin.

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Thank you, operator. Good morning, and welcome to our 2012 fourth quarter and year-end conference call. Following the financial review, I will turn the call over to Jean Madar, our Chairman and CEO, who will share some business highlights and then we will take your questions. Before proceeding further, I want to remind listeners that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements, which involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to be materially different from projected results. These factors include, but are not limited to, the risks and uncertainties discussed under the headings Forward-looking Statements and Risk Factors in our Annual Report on Form 10-K and the reports we file from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not intend to and undertake no duty to update the information discussed. In addition, Regulation G, which is codifications for the use of non-GAAP financial measures, prescribes the conditions for use of non-GAAP financial information in public disclosures. We believe that the presentation of the non-GAAP financial information included in this presentation is important supplemental measures of operating performance to investors. The information required to be disclosed for the presentation of non-GAAP financial measures is disclosed in our Annual Report on Form 10-K, which has been filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. This information is available on our website at www.interparfumsinc.com. When we refer to our European-based operations, we are primarily talking about sales of Prestige Fragrances conducted through our 73% owned French subsidiary, Inter Parfums SA. When we discuss our United States operations, we are generally referring to the sales of specialty retail and mass-market products, and more recently, Prestige labels, Anna Sui and Alfred Dunhill, as well as travel amenities. Specialty retail products are typically sold at namesake…

Jean Madar

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Thank you, Russ, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for your participation on today's conference call. 2012 was a great year for Inter Parfums. It bears repeating that despite having had no major launches, the momentum of new products introduced in 2011 propelled our sales and earnings to record levels. We reached an agreement with Burberry, that as Russ noted, has transformed our already strong balance sheet into a very powerful resource for investing in new products and brands. We are attracting more and more brand partners, and the reason goes beyond our big pockets. Brand owners respect our track record and reputation for establishing fragrance brands where none existed before. They also see what we have accomplished for brands that are underserved by the fragrance licensee. The latter scenario is exemplified by the addition of Alfred Dunhill and Karl Lagerfeld to our brand portfolio. In December, we entered into a 10-year worldwide license agreement to create, produce and distribute fragrances under the Alfred Dunhill brand, which begins in April of this year. As you will read in our 10K, we are paying a license entry fee of approximately $1,900,000. Dunhill is a premier British brand. We've rooted it in back to the late 19th century, inspired by traditional craftsmanship and possessing a strong reputation for luxury and elegance across a range of men's products. We see a highly compelling opportunity to building the Alfred Dunhill fragrance enterprise into a major aspiration of fragrance brands. Our rights under this agreement commence this April and we will initially market existing products, introducing a new line under this brand in 2014. The Alfred Dunhill brand is owned by Richemont, which happens to also own the Montblanc brand and also the Van Cleef & Arpels brand. And that fragrance business, I'm talking about…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Joe Altobello of Oppenheimer.

Joseph Altobello

Analyst · Oppenheimer

First question is on Burberry. I think in the past, the rest of you had said that you expect Burberry sales in the first quarter to be about EUR 50 million to EUR 60 million. Is that still the case at this point?

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Yes, that's exactly the case. There was actually, the transition agreement with Burberry put a cap of approximately EUR 60 million for the first quarter during the transition period. So we certainly expect it to be somewhere between, in that neighborhood, yes.

Joseph Altobello

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Okay. And then in terms of the A&P spending, if you go back a few years, your A&P spending prior to your new structure was about 15% of sales. In the last couple of years, it's been 20% of sales. Going forward, without Burberry, what do you expect that line item to kind of look like? Is it going to be close to 20% or more like the 15% historical?

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Well, I can't really discuss the future of specific line items, but you're correct. Historically, it was actually anywhere between 16% and 18% depending upon the types of new product launches that we had. It did go up over the last couple of years mainly because of the creation of InterParfums Luxury Brands here in the United States, where we took over our own distribution. With that, of course, we took over all of the advertising requirements that we used to share with our United States distributor. That's one of the reasons why the percentage went higher. Without getting into specifics, I think it will be higher than the historic 16% to 18%, but certainly lower than what we've recently seen because I don't think you need to spend the type of money on some of the other brands that we did on Burberry.

Joseph Altobello

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Okay. And just one last one, if I could, in terms of the opportunities for new licenses. You obviously, you have announced Dunhill and Lagerfeld and seem to have a good relationship with Richemont. What is the opportunity right now for new licenses? Are you getting a lot of calls these days from people who are looking to the partner with you?

Jean Madar

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Yes, we are getting, I will say, we have been getting calls on a regular basis because we are part of the people who are consulted when someone wants to launch a fragrance. And we -- I wouldn't say that we see more calls than before, but there is always 2 or 3 subjects that we are talking to. It's either a brand that is not in the fragrance business or a brand that has original licensing and seems that we can do a better job than the actual licensee. So there is ongoing discussions like the one, like it has always been in our recent history.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Linda Bolton-Weiser of B. Riley.

Linda Weiser

Analyst · B. Riley

So on your cash flow performance for the year, the operating cash flow being so strong, I had anticipated it would be kind of strong, but it was even bigger than I thought. Can you give some quantification, Russ, as to how much of the Burberry working capital was monetized in 2012? And then -- because I had more of it kind of in 2013. And so I'm wondering just how high to kind of forecast the cash flow going forward, if you really monetized a lot of it in 2012? So if you could give some numbers, that would be helpful.

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · B. Riley

The only thing that I can really say here is there is very little of the Burberry working capital that was monetized, mainly just a little bit than half -- were monetize in 2012. It was very little because it might have a little bit on inventory, but we are in a transition period. So we are continuing -- we continue to ship merchandise to our customers. They would still pay their receivables in the ordinary course of business, we still needed to buy inventory and to have inventory at the end of the year in order to sell it during this transition period. And the -- that $61 million of cash flow from operating activities excludes anything relating to payments received from the termination of the Burberry license. So there's really very little. The only thing that's going to happen, and it's a little bit unfortunate, but in the first quarter or actually in April, we will have to pay the taxes, all right, on this transaction. And that's going to actually show up as a use of cash from operating activities come April 2013.

Linda Weiser

Analyst · B. Riley

Okay. And then can you just -- I mean, I think your results are real good and the 50% increase of the dividend is nice, but your stock is trading down today, and I'm just wondering if being that you raised the guidance for 2013 in January to account for the inclusion of the Alfred Dunhill, and yet you've produced a pretty big upside surprise here in the fourth quarter versus your own guidance. So then essentially, you're sort of lowering the EPS growth rate versus what you would've had in January going forward. Do you understand what I'm saying? I mean, so is it that something has changed about your outlook or that you're just kind of being conservative? Or in other words, why not raise guidance again by at least a little bit to account for the upside in the fourth quarter?

Jean Madar

Analyst · B. Riley

I can try to answer, but Russ, if you want to start first?

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · B. Riley

Yes, I'll start, and the main rationale is that we increased the guidance. I believe we did it when we announced our sales results. And with that, we indicated that for 2012, we expect to exceed our earnings guidance. As we move into 2013, we specifically put in a range of earnings, nothing really has changed for 2013. The fact that we beat our results or achieved a higher net income in the fourth quarter is, a lot of that is a function of the fact that the sales was also a huge beat, which we announced back a month ago. Jean, did you want to add something further?

Jean Madar

Analyst · B. Riley

Yes, I would like to say that the outlook, we are lying in the middle or almost at the end of the first quarter. And the outlook is very positive and very strong, but we cannot change our guidance every month. So we will review that, I will say, when we release our first quarter which is in May, I guess.

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · B. Riley

That's correct.

Linda Weiser

Analyst · B. Riley

Okay. And yes, yes, fine. Can I just sneak in one more?

Jean Madar

Analyst · B. Riley

Of course.

Linda Weiser

Analyst · B. Riley

Just on the use of the cash and everything, I mean because your cash flow is so strong, you have even more cash than we anticipated you would have. So what is your thinking on timing of how long you just want to kind of sit there with your pockets full of the cash? Because obviously, you can work on deals, but you can't control externalities. A deal will either happen or it won't. So can you talk about timing of when you might return that cash to shareholders? And just what your thoughts are and have your thoughts changed at all on what types of things you would look at? Because a lot of these fragrance things you've acquired and taken on in recent years have been relatively small. Are there any big properties you're seeing out there? Or would they all be just a compilation of smaller things?

Jean Madar

Analyst · B. Riley

Russ, you start and I will continue.

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · B. Riley

You're correct. What we've seen and what we've actually even acted upon is still relatively small. I mean, even Karl Lagerfeld, which required approximately $25 million cash outlay, doesn't really make all that much of a dent in a balance sheet with the cash on hand of over $300 million. Those are the kind of deals that we have been seeing, even similar to what we did with Dunhill, which requires a very, very small capital outlay. As far as what we're going to -- what we're looking at currently, and what we're looking at in the future, Jean, why don't you go on and give a little bit more light on that?

Jean Madar

Analyst · B. Riley

No, I would like to say that there are 2 types of acquisitions. There are the ones that do not cost a lot, like the one that we have done before. But we can and we are looking at other things where you want to buy companies with existing business, with existing sales and earnings. And of course, that's where we can put the money that we have at use. But we have now, for this year, we are looking to do over something like $480 million. This is our latest guidance. We could -- there are not too many, but there are 1 of 2 targets in the perfume industry that will necessitate us to use the cash that we have on hand. We are not against it. We however, as we said before, the idea is not to -- the idea is to keep the money to grow the company. And if we see towards the end of a year that we are able to buy something else or something and not use all the money, some of this money could go back to shareholders, but right now we are really looking at using this money to grow the business.

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · B. Riley

Correct.

Linda Weiser

Analyst · B. Riley

So you would make a decision about returning to shareholders, did you say, sort of by the end of the year, towards the end of the year, something like that?

Jean Madar

Analyst · B. Riley

Yes. We will look at, we will -- yes, we will revisit it towards the end of the year, absolutely.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the next question comes from Rommel Dionisio of Wedbush.

Rommel Dionisio

Analyst · Wedbush

I wonder if you could just update us on how, maybe a brief early preview on how the Flash by Jimmy Choo and Desire by bebe? I know they debuted in the marketplace. And I wonder if you could just comment on how the initial rollout has gone and consumer suction thus far that you've seen?

Jean Madar

Analyst · Wedbush

The first indication that we have from the market is very good, very strong in the markets where Flash has been launched. Actually, we are way over our internal projections, so we're expecting a very strong first quarter for Jimmy Choo. And your second question was about the bebe Desire. bebe Desire just happened to ship and we have also some very good reaction in the list [ph].

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Joe Altobello of Oppenheimer.

Joseph Altobello

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Just 2 quick follow-ups for Russ. First, just going back to Linda's question about the monetization of the Burberry working capital, could you help us to quantify how much of that you expect to monetize into the first quarter?

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Oppenheimer

The only thing that's going to get monetized there outside is as to the use with respect to the, as I mentioned, the taxes -- which won't even be the first quarter; that's actually going to happen in the second quarter -- are the inventory levels. I expect the Burberry inventory levels to be down at the end of the first quarter to somewhere around the $15 million to $20 million level. That's probably a $30 million or $40 million -- $30 million below where it is at year-end. Other than that, it's really difficult to quantify with respect to exactly when the payables are going to be paid and so on and so forth. But I would imagine maybe $20 million to $30 million reduction of inventory related to the Burberry, and then that's going to be offset by the payment of taxes come April 2013.

Jean Madar

Analyst · Oppenheimer

So I was going to think in general terms that the money, which we're going to get from the inventory and receivable of Burberry, the cash that we get is going to be offset by the taxes that we'll have to pay, come April 15.

Joseph Altobello

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Will more than offset, right, because the tax is $80-plus million, it looks like?

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Oppenheimer

No, the taxes -- well, yes, the taxes are 36%, as we have mentioned, and -- but keep in mind, too, you also have the payment of the payables. So you have the payment of the taxes, you have your ordinary payables, which will be paid in the ordinary course of business. So the payables will pretty much offset the receivables. So then you have this $20 million I mentioned of inventory reduction. That's going to be -- that's going to offset some of the taxes, that will be offset by some of the taxes that will have to be paid later in the year.

Joseph Altobello

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Got it, okay. And then secondly, the effective tax rate in the quarter, I haven't tried to calculate this but it looks like on an adjusted basis, I came up with about a 27.5% effective tax rate versus the 35-or-so percent you guys have been reporting in the past. Is that correct or...

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Oppenheimer

It is correct, it is correct. The fourth quarter sales of our distribution subsidiaries are much higher in the fourth quarter than they are at any other time during the year. So what typically happens is you have losses in these distribution subsidiaries, which we cannot take the tax benefits of. And then all of a sudden, those losses reverse themselves in the fourth quarter, all right? And then so basically, you have this profit with no tax expense, all right? Because you're basically offsetting the losses that you didn't book a tax benefit from, all right? That will typically lower your tax rate a little bit, come the fourth quarter. And this year, it was a little bit exaggerated because business was phenomenal in this particular fourth quarter. And the profitability of the distribution subsidiaries was much higher than expected.

Joseph Altobello

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Okay. So going forward, you're looking at 35% to 36%?

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Oppenheimer

On an ordinary basis, you're looking at 35% to 36%, correct.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Tuknekah Noble of Citi.

Tuknekah Noble

Analyst · Citi

I was hoping you can give us a quick update on the travel amenity business? Have you signed in any deals? Is there anything out there that's attractive or do you have any prospective deals you're looking at?

Jean Madar

Analyst · Citi

So as we mentioned in our last conference call, we started shipping to a chain of hotel called Sofitel. And again, the first indication that we have are higher than our original forecast. We are waiting to -- right now, we are shipping only to Sofitel. We'll look at opening more hotels towards the end of the year.

Tuknekah Noble

Analyst · Citi

Okay, great. Well, I was wondering if you can provide us additional clarity on royalty payments now that you don't have the payments to go to Burberry?

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Citi

Well, royalty expense has typically been approximately 8.5% to 9% of sales. One of the things that keeps royalty expenses down is our Lanvin brand, is a brand that we own the trademarks. So we don't pay royalties to third parties on that particular brands. So with Burberry out of the picture, I would venture to say you're going to see a little bit of a decline as a percentage of sales, the royalty expense.

Tuknekah Noble

Analyst · Citi

Okay. A point or 2 or more or are you able to give us more clarity?

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Citi

I really am not comfortable with giving specifics on that. But I certainly think it could go down at least by a percentage point.

Tuknekah Noble

Analyst · Citi

Great. And finally, you mentioned in the past that you expect the operating margin can get to about 10% this year. And I think that was prior to the extension of the Burberry deal into the first quarter. Can you comment on what you expect operating margin to do this year going forward?

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Citi

With the guidance that we've put out, our operating margins are slightly above that 10% level. They're probably closer to 11%. As time goes on and as we continue to build our sales base, we are hoping that the operating margins can expand even further. If we're not somewhere between a 13% and a 14% operating margin in the next 2 to 3 to 4 years, I think we'd be a little bit disappointed.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Linda Bolton-Weiser of B. Riley.

Linda Weiser

Analyst · B. Riley

Just a follow-up on the sales performance. In the quarter, I guess, Burberry actually did a little better than I would've thought. It was down, but not down as much, and it was up like 96% or something in the prior year. So I'm just curious how it did versus your expectation? And I mean, you won't have it going forward, but it plays into the growth that you're kind of -- that's kind of implied for the rest of the business for 2013 because I think you had said 15%-ish for the rest of the business, but with Burberry having done better, you remove more and it kind of means the rest of the business has to be up more in 2013, if you follow what I'm saying?

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · B. Riley

The current guidance that we have out implies a growth of the business outside of Burberry. It's somewhere around 15% to 16%. That's what we have said before. That's -- we still are at that level. And if you pull out your estimates for 2013 with respect to Burberry, you're going to come up with the same numbers. That's as far as we can go right now. Jean just mentioned that as we moved into the first quarter, we were talking about Jimmy Choo. Sales are better than we expected internally. We're going to evaluate that guidance that we have out. As we move closer to the end of the first quarter, we can have a little bit more visibility. And we will adjust at that time if we see the need to.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions in the queue at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for any additional remarks.

Russell Greenberg

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Thank you. Again, thank you all for your participation on this conference call, whether you're on the call live or listening via our webcast. As always, if anybody has additional questions, I am always trying to make myself available by phone. Thank you, and have a great day. Bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.