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Q1 2019 Earnings Call· Mon, May 13, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Julian and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the Intrusion Incorporated First Quarter 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Mike Paxton, Chief Financial Officer, you may begin your conference.

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Okay, thank you. Welcome to this afternoon's call to review Intrusion's first quarter 2019 financial results. Also on the call today are Ward Paxton, Chairman, Co-Founder, President, and CEO; and Joe Head, Senior Vice President, Co-Founder of the Company. Ward will give a business update, I will discuss financial results and Joe will give - will update new and ongoing projects. We will be glad to answer any questions after our prepared remarks. After the market-close today, Intrusion issued a press release announcing the financial results for the first quarter of 2019. A replay of today's call will be available starting tonight for a one week period. The replay conference call number is 855-859-2056. At the replay prompt, enter Conference ID number 4269625. In addition, a live and archived audio webcast of the call is available at our website intrusion.com. Please be reminded that during this call, including the question-and-answer session, we may make forward-looking statements with respect to financial results, business strategies, industry trends, and certain other matters. Forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risk and uncertainties. We may be discussing our current outlook based on our own internal projections for the current quarter and fiscal year 2019. Actual, results may differ substantially from internal projections. We are not responsible to update any forward-looking statements. Many factors could cause our projections not to be achieved, including current economic and market conditions and other factors, which can be found in our most recent filings with the SEC, including our most recent Annual Report, on Form 10-K filed in March of 2019 and previous Form 10-Qs. Now, I'll turn the call over to CEO and president, Ward Paxton.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. Welcome to Intrusion's first quarter 2019 conference call. It's good to be with you today to discuss our first quarter and our outlook for the future. Our revenue and profit had been - both had sequential growth again. Our revenue in Q1 reached $3.2 million, up from $3.0 million in the fourth quarter. Net income was a $947,000 in first quarter up from $851,000 in the fourth quarter of last year. Now, Mike Paxton our Chief Financial Officer will review our first quarter financials that we released a little over an hour ago. Mike.

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Okay. First Quarter 2019 financial highlights, revenue through the first quarter was $3.2 million compared to $2.3 million for the first quarter of 2018, and as Ward mentioned, $3 million for Q4 2018. Gross profit margin was at 60% in the first quarter compared to 62% in the first quarter of last year. Gross profit margin can be greatly affected by sales product mix of deliverables in the quarter. Intrusion's first quarter of 2019 operating expenses were $0.9 million compared to $1 million for a comparable period in 2018. Operating expense was $1 million and fourth quarter of 2018. Net income for the quarter was $947,000 compared to net income of $346,000 for the first quarter of 2018 and $851,000 net income in Q4 2018. Thank you. Now back to Ward.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. Now, Joe Head, my partner, Co-Founder of Intrusion and Senior Vice President will discuss our outstanding sales results for the first quarter and our opportunities for the future. Joe?

Joe Head

Analyst

Thanks ward. Good afternoon, everybody. In the fourth - third quarter of 2018, we booked $6.3 million, which $5.5 million was a single order for a new project. Then in Q4, we booked and additional $5.2 million which is mostly renewals, except for one $2.4 million we will talk about a new one. And as I reported last time, one of our $1.2 million a year customers issued us to renewal covering the next five years, so we expect this long term customer continue for quite a while. Because the annual nature of many of our contracts, the good news is that we booked ourselves full of business in the last half of 2018 and we spent the first few months in 2019 hiring people and settling in to making deliveries for our newest contracts. The large majority of our orders are for the 12 months of business at a time. So the big up uptick in new orders in Q3 and Q4 won't be up for renewal until Q3 and Q4 of 2019. So as usual, our new orders for the first half of 2019, is expected to be down quite a bit from this year in highs and bookings. But the increased revenue will ensure our profitability for 2019, as we continue the deliveries for these new orders. As we anticipated in our Q4 call, our Q1 bookings were zero since we had no contracts up for renewal. And all of our big new projects were booked at the end of 2018. But already in Q2, we have booked $2.3 million in renewals as the first ones have come up for renewal. In Q4, we entered an order for a $2.4 million for a new customer. And based on our performance today, this customer has decided to renew…

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Thank you, Joe. The first quarter was a continuation and the outstanding growth in sales and profits that we have had for the past six quarters. The significant orders that we received in the third and fourth quarters last year allowed us to begin the current year on solid footing. Our orders continue to be bumpy and we expect that to continue. We are currently adding both sales and engineering people to sustain and fuel our growth. I look forward to another great year and the opportunity to communicate with you regularly. Thank you. Mike?

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Okay. Operator, can you remind the participants how to queue up for questions?

Operator

Operator

Certainly. [Operator instructions] Your first question comes from Howard Brous. Your line is open.

Howard Brous

Analyst

Thank you. Ward, Joe, Mike, first congratulations on a great quarter, a year-over-year and Q over Q. I would like to, Joe, go to the cadence comparing last year to what you expect this year. Would you say that the cadence for new and renewed orders probably is the same?

Joe Head

Analyst

I would say so. So, I mean, obviously, we got two months or one. So I spent a little bit of time buttressing those and making sure they were happy. So the wandering around looking for totally new ones I didn't know diminished in the first quarter. But I've - but I'm on track now for - and seeing lots of guys who will be new ones for this quarter and next quarter.

Howard Brous

Analyst

You had mentioned in your fourth quarter conference call that you had a pipeline for the prospect for another $1.2 million TraceCop subscription. Was that the renewal that you got or is that in addition?

Joe Head

Analyst

That was a different one, and that one actually went flaky on me, so - but still working that same group.

Howard Brous

Analyst

Okay. In addition, so you're - the number of prospects in the pipeline for new orders has increased, if I remember correctly the fourth quarter to now from 9 to 13?

Joe Head

Analyst

That's correct. And I fudged a little bit because I want to count my 13, I was counting people, not necessarily proposals under the people and there was a couple in there that have four pieces. So I think - but that's in keeping we have done in the past.

Howard Brous

Analyst

And the size of these potential contracts and is it TraceCop, Savant or a combination of both? Could you give me some granularity, please?

Joe Head

Analyst

Mostly TraceCop. So there are - Savant has been nearly flat and zero forever. But I do have some Savants in here, not monster ones, we've got one for maybe, 40 of the boxes and lots of analysis, but it's not major yet. But I think in being a good communication - good communicator of what we're up to, I do see some growth potential in that, more so by leveraging commercial partners, which I'm in beginnings of talking to a couple of those now. So I think it's time that our approach is so much better than what the industry is suffering through right now. Don't want to squander the opportunity to find a partner to get to the commercial space. But we're seeing traction in the government sector, DoD world. And the fact is, we're able to find stuff that others cannot and it's therefore leverage of all.

Howard Brous

Analyst

You also discussed the opportunity for Savant in two states. Is that still active, that opportunity?

Joe Head

Analyst

It is, yes. Both of those are on my active list. And then that isn't in the 13 by the way, probably should have been.

Howard Brous

Analyst

Would you consider that third, fourth quarter this year?

Joe Head

Analyst

Yes.

Howard Brous

Analyst

And the margins in Savant, are they similar to TraceCop?

Joe Head

Analyst

They are.

Howard Brous

Analyst

All right. Just one or two more. When you talked about STA Savant Threat Analysis.

Joe Head

Analyst

Yes.

Howard Brous

Analyst

What type of size of contracts are you talking about?

Joe Head

Analyst

I would say, at a per customer commercial basis, those are anywhere from $200k to $400k a year for a STA enrichment of a basket of things for replace. And that's why we kind of see that as a sell-through opportunity with bigger partners. We've automated that to a huge degree and it's pretty scalable. But it's not something that I want to go fly around the country for $400k order. However, when you start considering DoD wide or army wide or pick the sector, it represents some pretty big numbers when you start looking at a few hundred or a few thousand locations, because each of those represents a pretty good chunk of change each.

Howard Brous

Analyst

So that's basically what you would call the military end of the market as opposed to commercial?

Joe Head

Analyst

Correct. But I think the adversaries are the same. When you start looking at…

Howard Brous

Analyst

No, I really don't.

Joe Head

Analyst

They're eating everybody and part of the patriot side of me I don't like to see our intellectual property every country getting stolen and used by our adversaries. So fits in, it's a good thing. But I don't want to imbalance that in terms of our talking today, the bulk of our orders this year will be for TraceCop related work. And I see this as a potentially good growing area, as we look over at the commercial side, as well as the Pentagon taking better stock on-on.

Howard Brous

Analyst

Good. I have just two more questions? Can you attempt to just define the size of the TraceCop market, DoD, military, if you will? I mean, how big or how much bigger could we be annually if you will, not looking at any particular contracts? Is this say $40 million $50 million dollar market or more?

Joe Head

Analyst

I don't know how far you take it honestly, the thing that I see it's an important piece is I think I sort of talked about in our long narration which is bringing a bigger chunk of the problem. Some of the times we run in the case where our customer would sort of like to do it, but they just don't know how. And so you see this sometimes in the early adapters of a market is you can't just say here, install a bunch of hardware and do something like this. They really, they really need you to do it for them instead of show them, you can't just tell them what to do and let them do it. And so I think, initially with some of our government customers, and we will move into sort of a system administration and installation mode to see that growth occur early. And then as you as you see it, but I think your numbers are roughly right. There's the fair license thing that's somewhere between four and 10 times where we are right now. But then when you said, hey, I don't want our adversaries stealing, our systems' access for whatever reason, military or stealing the plans for a new fighter plane, then suddenly you get to an immense market.

Howard Brous

Analyst

All right. Thank you. Last question. We've been discussing an IR firm for nine months to about a year. Where do we stand on that?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

We're making progress there. I think we're about ready to kick off opportunity there.

Howard Brous

Analyst

Could you define ready to kick off as the next month or two?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Whenever we decided to do that. Really, we've kind of decided on here we're going to work with and all out. And so it's matter of when it's the best time to start doing it.

Howard Brous

Analyst

All right. That's all I have for the moment. Again, Ward, Joe, Mike, congratulations on really, just a great quarter.

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Thanks Howard.

Joe Head

Analyst

Thank you.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Thank you.

Howard Brous

Analyst

You are welcome.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Walter Schenker. Your line is open.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Hi, guys. Great to make money you made before.

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Yeah, thanks, Walter.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

And I'm paying off Ward's debt which is good too. When you talk, Joe, about marketing and what you're doing, a lot of it keeps coming back to I'm doing this and I'm doing that. What are we doing to bring in, I know there are other people on your sales thing. But I know we've talked in the past about bringing in people at a higher level, who probably cannot be you but can take a more senior role in dealing with clients and generating sales.

Joe Head

Analyst

So we've got a couple of good candidates. We had one we thought was sooner but he's not here yet, had some complications, staying where he is. But yeah, it's a subject of ongoing work, find somebody that's good enough to matter. You need him Senior enough not to embarrass you, and also want to have connections at a place that we don't.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

And you got a different strategy for your Savant sales?

Joe Head

Analyst

Yeah. And like, yeah, like I mentioned before, though, my approach on Savant is to bring in, one to three commercial monster places that then add it to their commercial offering. And I think that'd be a lot more effective bang for buck. The good news is the senior people that it takes to work with a partner we already have. So difference between a large account salesperson and folks again, fully support every question that comes up, deployments and analysis and we do have that covered well.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Okay. And along it - again, the ability to leverage the data sets, you talked about trillions and billions and enormous data sets, which then you have a client who hopefully who want to become a licensee or pay you for. Are these data sets much broad - more broadly applicable across other non-DoD government security areas? I mean, we've talked in the past about, and you've never made any progress on it and then frustrated because they're happy to talk to you, but they don't sign on the bottom line. But there ought to be a bunch of other people through the government who are equally interested in some of the same thing The Department of Defense is. Do we need someone new to get us in those stores, or we've got enough on our plate at the moment trying to get a commercial partner, as well as further getting DoD type contracts.

Joe Head

Analyst

Yeah, good point. So one of the well, two of the three partners that I'm considering, both work in the government space as well and have strengths in areas where we don't hang out. And so I think your questions are appropriate. Yeah, there is. We do think there's some traction over there for the data sets and other parts of the government. And we think that's the most effective way to get there. Hiring direct guys to do all that isn't quite as effective as leveraging somebody that's already there with the contract vehicles in place. We think that's a pretty sound approach from where we sit right now.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Okay. And these will be different partners that when you first introduced Sawant, hopefully different partner?

Joe Head

Analyst

Hopefully. Yes.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

And just the last part of that question, I'm done. I'll see everybody Thursday. You still are optimistic, you can get something done on a partnership basis this year?

Joe Head

Analyst

Yes.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Okay. Thanks. See you Thursday.

Joe Head

Analyst

Okay.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Thank you Walter.

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Thank you, Walter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Howard Brous, Your line is open.

Howard Brous

Analyst

As I was listening to Walter, it just occurred to me. When I go back and look at last year's win rate, if you will. And that was a substance. Can I interpret a similar type of win rate, not necessarily on a contract by contract basis, but is that reasonable to assume?

Joe Head

Analyst

I think so. I mean, like I said earlier, I always judge myself by how do we get our renewals of stuff and we've got two monster ones, both are intending to renew. But I'd rather be nervous early than sad later. So I work extra hard to make sure they're happy. So we win most of the things that get a pretty good conversion rate as well as a good renewal rate. And we've got some additional new ones to bring online this year.

Howard Brous

Analyst

Joe, thank you. Once again, congratulations on the quarter.

Joe Head

Analyst

Thank you, Howard.

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Thank you.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Thank you.

Howard Brous

Analyst

Talk to you soon. Thank you.

Joe Head

Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions. I'll turn the call back over to the presenters.

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Okay, thank you. At this time, we'll wrap up the call. Thank you for participating in today's call. If you did not receive a copy of the press release or if you have further questions, my phone number is 972-301-3658 email mpaxton@intrusion.com. Thanks again.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.