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Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Mon, Aug 10, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good evening my name is Crystal and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Q2, 2015 Financial Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Mr. Michael Paxton, you may begin your conference.

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Welcome to this afternoon's call to review Intrusion's second quarter 2015 financial results and discuss of our business. Participating on the call today will be Ward Paxton, Chairman, Co-Founder, President and CEO; and Joe Head, Vice President and Co-Founder of the Company. Ward will give a business update. I will discuss financial results and Joe will give an update on projects. We'll be glad to answer any questions after our prepared remarks. We distributed the earnings release at approximately 3:05 p.m. today. A replay of today's call will be available at approximately 6:30 p.m. tonight for one-week period. The replay conference call number is 855-859-2056. At the replay prompt, enter the conference ID number 7223475. In addition, a live and archived audio webcast of the call is available on our website, intrusion.com. Please be reminded that during this call, including the question-and-answer session, we may make forward-looking statements with respect to financial results, business strategies, industry trends, and certain other matters. These statements are based on management’s current expectations and are subject to risk and uncertainties. We may be discussing our current based on our own internal projections for the current quarter and fiscal year 2015. Actual results may differ substantially from internal projections. Information in this conference call related to financial results, projections, forward-looking statements is based on current expectations and we expressly disclaim any responsibility to update forward-looking statements. Many factors could cause our projections not to be achieved, including the uncertainties and lack of visibility caused by current economic and market conditions and other factors which can be found in our most recent filings with the SEC, including our most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K filed March 2015 and previous 10Qs. Now I turn the call over to, CEO, President, Ward Paxton.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. Welcome to Intrusion’s second quarter 2015 conference call. It’s good to be with you today to discuss our second quarter results and our progress. We had a good second quarter and are making excellent strides in growing our business particularly noteworthy was revenue growth for our Savant product family, Savant is our advanced persistent threat detection product, Savant revenue reached $760,000 or 36% of total revenue for the quarter. $465,000 of this total was with a new major reseller, we’re optimistic that this relationship will grow in the future. Advanced persistent threats are the most wide spread breaches occurring today. Most of our Savant customers are large, non-government entities whereas most of our TraceCop customers are U.S. government entities. We expect this to division to continue. At this time TraceCop is our larger business and we expect Brad [ph] to continue near term, our TraceCop business has been relatively flat over the past two years as we have focused on starting our Savant business, in order to increased TraceCop business we have recently increased our selling activity for TraceCop and expect to see growth in this part of our business in addition to the expected growth of Savant. We will discuss our sales and products more a little later but now Mike Paxton, our Chief Financial Officer will review our second quarter 2015 financial results that we released a little over an hour ago. Mike?

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Okay, the second quarter financials from press release. Revenue for the second quarter 2015 was $2.1 million compared to $1.8 million in the second quarter 2014 and up from 1.7 million for Q1 201. Gross profit margin was 62% in the second quarter compared to 66% in the second quarter last year and 63% for the first quarter of 2015. The margins can be greatly affected by sales product and deliverables and quarter. In general our goal was 65% but like this quarter can be inflexed due to product mix. Intrusion's second quarter 2015 operating expenses were $1.3 million compared to $1.2 million for the comparable quarter in 2014 and 1.3 million also for the first quarter of 2015. Net loss for the quarter was $4000 compared to a net loss of $22,000 for the second quarter of 2014 and a net loss of 0.3 million for the first quarter of 2014. Thank you. Now back to, Ward.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Thanks, Mike, good report. Now Joe Head my partner and co-founder and Senior Vice President will discuss our products market and sales activities. Joe?

Joe Head

Analyst

Thanks, Ward. In the second quarter we showed some growth in Savant revenues with shipments rising to 760k or 36% of sales like Ward said of this 465k was through our second reseller. We have booked Savant business from five new customers in the second quarter, three were from our first reseller, one was direct and one was from our new second reseller. In the near term we have additional new customers who we expect to engage with new business. This quarter we expect to have about five new customers installing Savant through our original reseller. As I mentioned last quarter they changed their approach by pushing customers to engage with 90 day trials which are paid as 1/4th of the normal annual rate. With this approach their activity levels have increased, this was a good move for them as their activity levels have definitely increased this quarter. Next quarter the fourth we’re looking at seven new customers for Savant coming board with initial orders. Off these seven four are with a third new reseller partner, the other three are direct. As we have engaged with Savant sales our legacy TraceCop business has continued to be a steady source of revenue with old customers continuing to renew our existing projects as they come up for renewal. It hasn’t grown as Ward mentioned but it's remained flat for quite some time. Yes we have primarily focusing on chasing new Savant opportunities but that doesn’t mean that TraceCop opportunities are no longer viable this quarter we’re quoting one new TraceCop opportunity and have added another direct sales person to focus on this business, it started two weeks Monday. We’re excited about our hire and look forward to seeing new TraceCop business booked as we increase our efforts in this area. As I’ve mentioned last time it's also good that now we have a mix of customers which are direct and indirect for Savant so we can prototype new offerings and approaches without the inertia of a large partner using both approaches we can use our direct contracts to deploy new capabilities much quicker and then take those examples back to our partners to spur them to propose them, to propose us a to a bigger percentage of their customer base. Ward?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Thank you, Joe. We have a lot of new activity in both product areas and expect this to continue to grow. The new prospects are exciting, it's important that we keep the momentum going during the last half of the year and we are dedicated to achieving this goal. We thank you for joining our call today and look forward to our communications in the future. Mike?

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Okay. I will get the operator to remind everyone how to queue to ask questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And your first question comes from the line of Walter Schenker.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

On the -- I may come back to Savant, it's really why I queue on. TraceCop actually fell off sequentially and year-over-year, did you just lose a customer, you generally said that those people have been renewing with all the [indiscernible] problems and securities and the efforts to trace intrusions, I would have thought that the historic customers for TraceCop would be maintained at least.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

We haven't any lost any customers, we do from quarter to quarter see ups and downs due to just the patterns that our existing customer base places our orders and changes the amount of activity that they purchase from us but we haven't lost anything, we haven't gained any significant areas and it is the reasons we made the decision to increase our selling activity to take advantage of what we think have some opportunity there.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

So just for Joe, you in the past initiated that you’re optimistic that that could be a $2 million not a $1.25 million business which you want in the quarter, you’re just not getting the project -- it's really small numbers but still seems to be disappointing on this quarter.

Joe Head

Analyst

What we noticed Walter was that our existing sales guy has been running that area, he is fully consumed, he is going and see it and keeping existing customers with face time and as I put more and more of my efforts on Savant we just didn’t have any extra bandwidth to go talk to the new ones that’s when we brought on a new sales person who is quite good.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

And how much that you think you will add one customer, we will see that in the September quarter or by the end of the September quarter?

Joe Head

Analyst

Correct, we’re quoting one now that we think could come in this quarter certainly by the fourth and then we have got additional opportunities we’re chasing as well but I think those tend to take some time to get into the budget cycle so those are typically not quick hit but they are substantive as you know and they are typically 500k, 800k per year is an average one and I would expect to see those start filtering in early next year.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

So moving on to Savant which is really hopefully more relevant driver going forward, was your original partner was still unnamed, you still have the two original full year people?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Let me think about that, some of those have not renewed, some have. So we have had a spur of new ones coming on and old ones that try and move along. Let me think about the original ones, I’ve to think about that [indiscernible] Walter.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Okay, but as of the end of the June quarter how many distinct companies were you providing Savant to through the original partner?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

I would have to add it up but I think it was counting this next five, that aren't all in place yet.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Just go back, I just want to understand what generated $760,000.

Joe Head

Analyst

I don’t know the number, it's in the 7 or 8 range if I remember correctly.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Again Walter, as Joe indicated a big chunk of that was the new partner.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

I'm just trying to understand what the activity from the original partner is doing. So if the original partner [indiscernible] at the beginning of your presentation but if the original partner then we will be getting where you’ve sold directly with your new partner was 4 or 5 [ph] in the June quarter?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

It's probably closer to 3.

Joe Head

Analyst

It was 3 in the June quarter, [indiscernible]. One was direct and one was for a new one, for a new reseller.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Okay, and therefore in this quarter you have already gotten commitments for how many additional?

Joe Head

Analyst

I know we will have five from them by the end of the quarter and I don’t think any of those orders are actually in yet.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

And you’re expecting or they believe that that will continue to increase going through the fourth quarter?

Joe Head

Analyst

Correct. And then the seven in the fourth quarter I don’t have any forecast from them yet because they typically tell us during the quarter so it may have some upside there.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

I'm sorry, so how do you come to seven?

Joe Head

Analyst

Seven is basically just from direct and other resell partners do we don’t have visibility from our original one in the fourth quarter yet so we may have a little bit of upside there.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

So you had two resellers plus yourself at this point as you look forward?

Joe Head

Analyst

Two that have already placed orders and the third one that we expect to see orders in the fourth quarter.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Okay, is there a reason and those resellers are selling it as Savant?

Joe Head

Analyst

One, the original ones sells it as their own, the second one sells it as Savant, the third one will sell it as Savant.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

So is the reason you can't tell us who they are just selling it to Savant, since Savant is you?

Joe Head

Analyst

No I just had a range of release yet.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

It would be strongly appreciated if you let us know the names of who they are because it will truly add hopefully some substance to the names of the people you’re working with if we found out they happen to be in material in a large entities.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Okay, sounds good. I will work that, I have not worked it yet, it's a new relationship.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Okay. And within the new external people the new one who you did one time track for in the quarter just ended has indicated they expect to add more as told you they are going to add more? One guy is still doing that for--

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Yes.

Joe Head

Analyst

I would expect that new original partners have additional projects here this quarter.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

We’re engaging at a second place with them right now.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Third, again number three retailer will kick in the fourth quarter?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Correct. We have already being on customer calls to about 4 or 5 places with them and we expect most of those will turn the business.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

And historically we had a sense of what a Savant customer or was not as it turns out with the original white label partner these are $0.5 million contracts, $150,000 contracts, I realize I'm generalizing I'm just trying to put an order back to when they bring in, with one data center, with multiple data centers.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Yes so Walter, with the new push on 90 day trials, what used to be a bigger number is a fourth of that, so it varies from about a 100k to 400k for a quarter for a 90 day trial but the average of them is about 200k some are a bunch smaller than that, some are single sensor for 60k or something like that.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

But 400k, even 200k is multiple sensors?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Right. We’re in [indiscernible] for a quarter over a longer period determines that as well as how big the scope is in terms of the number of sensors.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Okay and just a couple of more just to tie this up. You had your own selling group, group meaning more than just Joe, selling direct have sold yourself not through one of these resellers, at this point how many customers?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

We have I believe three that are direct.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Okay, which no one else had anything to do with it?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Correct.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

And those would have somewhat higher margin because you’re not sharing the revenue with a resell?

Joe Head

Analyst

That varies a lot, sometimes the reseller is able to resell in a higher price that we would sell direct and so you can't tell for sure whether it affects our margin or not. It's been our experience that it doesn’t affect our margins that much that we see reasonably the same margin whether we’re selling direct or through a partner.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

Last question which usually isn't for me but we will the last for some on one call [ph], I can follow-up, therefore your current expectation between two resellers, the original reseller and yourself would be, that might be end of the year not all producing during the fourth quarter but by the end of the year if I add up everything we just put together you will expect round numbers 20 different entities would be paying for Savant usage?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

We will probably have 7 to 10 and the fourth and five in the third and four, yes close to 20. We don’t know what the renewal rates are yet Walter, so--

Walter Schenker

Analyst

No I understand it's end of the year, five months away so I'm just trying to put on the record. So your sense that in order numbers it's between 15 and 25 how is that?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Walter, one of the things that it's certainly different today than it was at the end of the last quarter is that the number of these different projects that’s actually in place before we had several work, now we have got several end place and they are getting installed with a much closer to delivery time than we have had before. So that’s a significant step up.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

And therefore in the third quarter, you forced me to do this, that’s why this third quarter you will have more people paying you revenue than you had in second quarters?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Well we hope so but we don’t know that yet.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

I just want to know your install.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

No it's five and five.

Walter Schenker

Analyst

But 10 to 30, we would expect that more people paying you and you’ve pretty good feel for that in the middle of the quarter than you had in June.

Joe Head

Analyst

I think we always expect.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from [indiscernible].

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This maybe my ignorance but I'm a little confused between what these numbers mean in terms of a trial or an actual system, an order for system and also what the annualized rate is of any of these things? Or all of these things put together.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

The trials are really a short term purchase, everything there is fully up and it's just our partner decides that they can do some good by selling a three month deal because of good prospects and in those cases it's estimated that it will turn into a four timer or a full year deal at the end of this first quarter deal.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So the five that you did this in this last quarter, three by the original reseller, one by you and one by this new reseller who you’re going to announce very shortly. Those five may or may not [indiscernible].

Ward Paxton

Analyst

That’s correct.

Joe Head

Analyst

Three from the first reseller were 90 day trials, the one direct was a year. It was 90 day as well and then the second reseller was just 90 day.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And then the five that you expect will all be trials or?

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Correct, they all will be 90 trials which is a fourth of the year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right, so by the end of the fourth quarter some of them maybe over and renew or over and over--

Ward Paxton

Analyst

We expect it to be a continuous plan so at the end of the night we expect the customer to negotiate a further run of either another 90 days or year or terminate, so you won't just drag along.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

If you can announce the reseller and you can announce then can you also announce when you actually make the sale like many companies do.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

I mean we make sales we just haven't announced the name of the reseller yet because we need their permission.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Can you make any announcements ever about who you’re selling to?

Joe Head

Analyst

Well it would be help to be able to but we have to get--

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Like a normal company.

Joe Head

Analyst

We won't be able to -- I mean we don’t have that authority right now.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Talk about anyone of them, any of them. Every single client that you sell to says I do want you to disclose the -- I bought the stuff.

Joe Head

Analyst

We don’t like to talk about being comprised in their networks.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

They just take their simply precautionary measure. The one or two the direct ones I expect will be friendly about letting us announce as time goes forward which is one reason to have some direct ones.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Because I’ve done a study of other security companies but I would say even before looking I would guess that all of those things, in some cases not in all cases are announced.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Right, some are, some are.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes some are, some are, in our case, none are. So if we change that some are, some are we will be like others you know regular public companies.

Ward Paxton

Analyst

Correct. We try it.

Michael Paxton

Analyst

Okay, operator at this time we will like to wrap up the call. Thank you for participating in today's call. If you need a copy of the press release or if you’ve further questions, you can call me at 972-301-3658, our email mpaxton@intrusion.com. Thanks again.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.