Robert Matthiessen
Analyst · Noble Financial
Okay. Okay. Our strength in these businesses so far outside of semi is the fact that we're very adroit at semi-custom systems. We get that from our experience in the semiconductor world, which is entirely that way. Many of the thermal businesses -- the thermal companies that we are competing with on the outside are old line, rather large companies that have standard products. And to date, the model out there has been, in industrial thermal tests, for a customer to go to one of these big companies that make ovens or whatever, and say, "Here's what I have to do." And that big company says, "Well, we have this product. And if you modify your tests such and such a way, you can do this." We take the opposite tact. We say, "Hey. What do you have to do to test? We'll build the equipment to fit your product." This is a model that's not generally been used out there, because most of these companies we compete with are rather large. And so being small and able to move quickly, we can do that fairly well. And so we get these custom jobs to do. You were talking about the one with the nuclear industry. In fact, I cannot expand on that right now because of some rules we're under. We'll try to get some more information for you as time goes on here. But in terms of all these industries I'm talking about, no one or the other is bigger than others -- with the exception of medical pharmaceutical, and we have not done much there yet. We've had a few nibbles there, but that has not fed us very well. But certainly, telecommunications, anything to do with mobility, everything, every semiconductor -- a lot of the semiconductors that are built nowadays, are going into -- not just semiconductors but electrical products -- are going into hostile environments. That hostile environment can be your kid's pocketbook, for an iPad. As opposed to, most parts used to be going into desktop computers, which are a controlled environment and televisions, controlled environment. It's the portability that's driving a lot of the necessity for extreme thermal testing. And so, of course telecommunications is big in that.