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Innodata Inc. (INOD)

Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Sun, Aug 11, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Innodata to report Second Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the conference over to your host, Amy Agress. You may begin.

Amy Agress

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. Our speakers today are Jack Abuhoff, CEO of Innodata; and Marissa Espineli, Interim CFO. Also, on the call today is Aneesh Pendharkar, Senior Vice President, Finance and Corporate Development. We’ll hear from Jack first, who will provide perspective about the business, and then Marissa will follow with a review of our results for the second quarter. We’ll then take your questions. Before we get started, I’d like to remind everyone that during this call, we will be making forward-looking statements, which are predictions, projections or other statements about future events. These statements are based on current expectations, assumptions and estimates, and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially from those contemplated by these forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause these results to differ materially are set forth in today’s earnings press release in the Risk Factors section of our Form 10-K, Forms 10-Q and other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We undertake no obligation to update forward-looking information. In addition, during this call, we may discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures in our SEC filings, which are posted on our website you will find additional disclosures regarding these non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations of these measures with comparable GAAP measures. Thank you. I’ll now turn the call over to Jack.

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Thank you, Amy. Good afternoon. It’s great to be with you here today. We have several exciting updates to share on the financial and operational fronts. Innodata delivered another outstanding quarter, highlighted by the record revenue growth of 66% year-over-year. During the quarter, we significantly expanded our partnership with a Big Tech customer while also gaining traction with others. We take great pride in the foundation we have built to establish Innodata as a leading partner of choice to deliver reliable, complex generative AI training data. We believe we are uniquely positioned to capture what we believe to be an enormous market opportunity and to drive value for our shareholders. Given the strong organic growth we are seeing, we are raising our 2024 full year guidance to 60% or more revenue growth compared to the 40% growth we guided to last quarter. Also, as we indicated in the last quarter, in order to ramp up for our recent wins and anticipated growth, we invested in scaling our organization. Most significantly, we incurred $3.6 million in recruiting agency fees for a significant ramp in our workforce. As recruiting costs come down to a normalized level next quarter, we expect our third quarter margins to reflect strong unit economics and operating leverage from substantial revenue growth. Consequently, we expect Q3 adjusted EBITDA to be approximately triple to $2.8 million adjusted EBITDA reported this quarter. In a minute, I will describe some of the business we have won in some of the new business opportunities we are pursuing. Suffice it to say, we are seeing an increase in both the number and the magnitude of potential customer requirements, which we reflect in our increased guidance. Therefore, we’re taking steps to ensure that we have sufficient liquidity to accommodate working capital as our already…

Marissa Espineli

Analyst

Thank you, Jack, and good afternoon, everyone. Let me briefly share with you our 2024 second quarter financial results. Revenue for Q2 2024 reached $32.6 million, reflecting a year-over-year increase of 66%. On a sequential basis, we observed a 23% of the increase of $6 million from Q1 of 2024 revenue of $26.5 million. Adjusted gross margin for Q2 2024 was 32%, reflecting a sequential decrease from 41% we achieved in Q1 of 2024. This reduction is attributable to the $3.6 million of recruiting costs we incurred in the second quarter to support a substantial expansion for our organization to prepare to a significantly larger revenue base. When you separate these unusually high recruiting costs, adjusted gross margin in the quarter would have been approximately 44%. Similarly, adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $2.8 million, a reduction from $3.8 million in Q1 of 2024. But without the $3.6 million of recruiting costs, adjusted EBITDA would have been $6.4 million or 20% of revenue. There are three things worth noting. First, as Jack mentioned, we expect our adjusted EBITDA next quarter to be approximately triple the $2.8 million of adjusted EBITDA reported this quarter. Second, we have since enhanced our captive recruiting engine to enable us to reduce the cost of future larger scale recruiting. And third, we expect weak payback on recruiting costs typically within just few months and strong ROI. Our cash position at the end of Q2 was approximately $16.5 million, up from $13.8 million at year-end 2023. Let me also elaborate a bit on credit facility extension that Jack mentioned earlier. We are indeed very pleased to announce that Wells Fargo has increased on receivable back credit facility from $10 million to $30 million with an according feature that enabled it to scale up to 50 million…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We do have our first questioner. Allen Klee from Maxim Group.

Allen Klee

Analyst

Yes. Great job. This is just a clarification question. In your press release, one of the first things you say is you won large language model development programs and expansion with a Big Tech customer valued at approximately $87.5 million annualized run rate. Is that a new contract or is that as you talk about below the customer that you expanded with that you say has a total of $110.5 million? Thank you.

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Correct, Allen. Those were the contracts that were announced during Q2. So, that was a recap of what was won and announced in Q2.

Allen Klee

Analyst

Okay, great. And then some of the – some of these other new contracts, could maybe talk a little bit about the contracts you’ve announced, which ones are just generally, how many are fully ramped up or maybe what percent you expect to get a greater contribution in the future?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

In Q2, or generally speaking, going forward in the year.

Allen Klee

Analyst

Generally speaking, going forward, of the announcements you’ve made, are there certain ones that could you give us a sense of like?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Yes. So, there are seven Big Tech customers that were contracted now to perform generative AI work, and that includes the one that’s scaled very, very nicely. Of the seven, I don’t believe we’re fully ramped up with any of them. I believe that they all hold tremendous opportunity for us to expand into. And I think we’re going to be making significant process along that path over the next several quarters. The other thing I would add to that is we also anticipate, as I mentioned in my remarks, landing another couple of Big Tech customers, which similarly will have the opportunity – offer us the opportunity for significant potential expansion.

Allen Klee

Analyst

So, just following up on that, the guidance you gave today, does that incorporate any contracts that haven’t been announced yet that you may expect to win?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

So, I think the revenue from contracts that we haven’t yet announced but expect to win can certainly accrue to Q3 and Q4. When we provision our guidance, there are a lot of puts and takes. We’re making all sorts of factors into that, including new contracts. But again, if you take that in the aggregate, we’re comfortable that our guidance is conservative, and we think there’s opportunity to exceed it.

Allen Klee

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And then you mentioned that you’re bringing the recruiting in pounds, and that’s going to save money – – so do you feel that – or is it that you still have to recruit a lot more, or that you can just do it more efficiently than you’re saving the money and you feel comfortable about getting enough people to ramp up?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Yes. We’re very comfortable in our ability to recruit. It’s not that we won’t use external agencies anymore. I think we still will, especially for particular kinds of recruiting. But we’re very excited to have built an internal recruiting engine. Had we had that in place. We probably could have avoided the several millions of dollars that we had to spend in this quarter. But recruiting costs is – it’s an elegant problem to have. We recruit primarily reactively pursue it to demand from our customers. And we get a very fast payback on those investments with a very high ROI. So, it’s good that we’ve got a strategy now facility to lower those costs prospectively. But even without lowering them, the ROI and the payback is very fast and very compelling.

Allen Klee

Analyst

That’s great. You talked about a bunch of contracts that you’ve won recently. In terms of what you’re doing, is there anything different with them of what part of the adaptation and trading and monitoring? Are they kind of everything? Or is there a certain focus that customers are looking for?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

So, they’re a little bit of everything, but our strategy is very much focused on what I think of these three tiers, all of which are growth factors. At the foundational layer, you kind of the bottom tier, you’ve got the Big Techs and the ISVs we’re developing generative AI foundation models. In the middle tier, you have enterprises who were helping leverage generative AI. And then at the top tier, you have us building generative AI-enabled platforms for kind of niche industry use cases. So, in the things that I mentioned, there’s a bit of a sampling of all three tiers. The tremendous growth that we’re seizing on today is at that bottom layer. It’s the enablement layer working with the Big Techs, but we’re aggressively planting seeds and earning referenceability in the other tiers as well. And especially long-term, we see those as – if we do things right, and we’re planning the seeds properly today, we see those as enable our growth 3, 4, 5 years out from now.

Allen Klee

Analyst

Got it. Thank you. You talked about agility and adding CoPilot and the benefits from that. Could you – I don’t know if I caught everything. Could you expand a little about what the value-add profile it is and the opportunity you see on that growing agility?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Sure. So, in agility, just for a little bit of additional context. We have about 1,500 customers, $20 million of ARR, about 17% – 18% growth, I think, year-over-year, 70% adjusted gross margin. So, lots of operating leverage. We were performing very, very well. I mentioned that we doubled our bookings in the quarter with a sales force that I believe is about 15% smaller than it was last year. So, very high performing, operated very efficiently. The idea behind PR CoPilot was that you could disassemble the workflow of PR professionals, enable them to use generative AI at multiple points in that workflow to enable them to do more with less resources for their customers, to be able to do more for less money. And as I mentioned, we’re only 30% into the integration, meaning they are – we’ll call it, eight different points within the PR workflow that we feel we can creatively leverage these technologies. And we’ve only gotten through a couple of them. We are planning on making an important announcement probably within the next few weeks about another element of that PR CoPilot integration. We’re excited about that. And we’ve got every reason to believe that the improvement in the results that we’re now seeing will be further accelerated as we further integrate that road map.

Allen Klee

Analyst

Thank you. For Synodex, you mentioned that this is the first time you had a clinical application. Could you go into a little bit of what that means?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Sure. So, what we’re doing in Synodex is we’re extracting at a very granular, very detailed level, medical information from patient healthcare records. And the use case that we’ve been working with up until now has been primarily life insurance underwriting, and rent-related insurance underwriting too. Property and casualty and things like this. What we haven’t done is had the technology layer that’s sufficient to support clinical use cases. So, for example, analyzing patient medical records in order to make determinations about treatments or make determinations about things that would occur and decisions that would need – would be needing to be taken in a clinical use case, meaning hospitals and doctors and live patients. With this new win and in conjunction with the development we have been doing in our technology, we now see the opportunities now and down the road to increasingly target clinical use cases. And we are very excited about that, obviously, because that would represent an expanded market.

Allen Klee

Analyst

Got it. Last question, so you have mentioned that there is around $300,000 of recruiting costs that will be less in the second quarter – I am sorry, the third quarter. If I was just thinking about expenses overall, is there any way to think about – like do you try to like think about like the operating leverage and to what degree maybe operating expenses will grow at a lower rate than the top line?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Yes. So, I think the way to think about it is even if you just look at this quarter, our sequential revenue is up about $6 million, and our adjusted EBITDA net of that $3.6 million of recruiting costs was up about $2.6 million. So, that would be $2.6 over $6 million is about 43% flow-through to contribution. Now, obviously that won’t hold up or every quarter, there are puts and takes in any quarter, but I think it’s indicative. Now, if you look at operating costs, one of the benefits to executing as aggressively as we are in the Big Tech market is that it’s very concentrated. You don’t need a lot of sales and marketing in order to work these accounts. What you need primarily is great execution and that’s what we have been bringing to the table. So, as you think about that contribution margin, which in this quarter would have been 43% or so, absent the recruiting costs, you are not going to consume a lot of that in SG&A. Now, you are not going to – it’s not all going to show up as operating profit, but a lot of it will.

Allen Klee

Analyst

That’s great. Thank you and really fantastic quarter. Thank you very much.

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

We will now hear from Hamed Khorsand with BWS.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello everyone. Thank you so much for taking my question. This is Sarah calling in for Hamed at BWS. My first question is regarding the addition of the large tech company that you announced today, does this indicate that you are at all seven, magnificent seven companies?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

So, Sarah, first, thank you for being on the call, welcome, so led Hamed for me. So, we have – what we have talked about is that we are in seven Big Tech companies. And of those seven, five of them are mag seven companies.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And then…

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Under NDAs, we can’t use customer names, but it’s five of the seven mag seven, plus two others who are very important to notable customers in the Gen AI market, but they are not mag seven customers.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right. Got it. Thank you so much. My next question is, other than the one large tech company that has given you the $110 million worth of work. Where are you in the revenue recognition process with the other six large tech companies?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

I don’t have a number for you handy right now. But what I would say is we are at an early stage. We are seeing that accelerate, especially with a few of them pretty rapidly now. And I think we are going to see that acceleration through the end of the year on several. We believe, frankly, that all of the seven are going to grow with us this year. So, very early days, but very exciting. Our goal, of course is to replicate the success that we have had with this big one, which was earliest out of the gate with as many of the others as we possibly can. No guarantees, obviously, but we are competing against the same people, and we are bringing the same execution that is so differentiated us in this large account.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Thank you for that. My next question is regarding the previously mentioned, I guess increase in recruiting costs. Do you find that you are still needing to hire people, or are you at a good headcount figure? And I guess what is the timing of revenue to help offset the hiring and recruiting OpEx?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Sure. Great question. So, the timing is pretty fast. It’s really within a matter of a couple of months, and there is training that needs to go on. There is other things that need to take place. But generally speaking, it comes on very quickly, and that’s why as an investment, it’s as compelling as it is. I think you should think about the recruiting spend over time as one that will be reactive, let’s say, be a baseline spend that’s kind of always going on in a normalized growth mode, and then when we get big lands like we did in the quarter, $44 million win, our largest ever single win then there is going to be concentrated spend. I am hopeful that, that concentrated spend will be lower than it was this quarter by virtue of our captive recruiting capability that we have now put in place. But frankly, even if it weren’t, you are not going to ever find a better investment opportunity than that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right. Thank you so much. And this will be my last question. So, you are raising liquidity needs. Are you seeing extended net terms from customers?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

No, we are not. We are paid very quickly. So, nothing – nobody is stretching us out. All is good there. Now, when we do our modeling to determine our needs, we take a very conservative approach. If someone is paying us some 30 days, we will model it at 60 days. If someone is paying us in 60 days, we will model it 120 days just to provide that conservatism in our forecast. But no, we are paid well and we will always make sure of that. Thank you, Sarah.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is Tim Clarkson with Van Clemens.

Tim Clarkson

Analyst

Hi Jack. Obviously, I am thrilled with the results, great work. I am sure you and Mrs. Abuhoff are very happy with all the hard work over the many years. And maybe I am the third happiest person in the world about Innodata. But anyhow, getting into the business side, in terms of these big contracts, what’s the magic Elixir, that’s allowing you to get a contract of that magnitude versus the competition?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

So, I think there are several things. I think the – if there is one thought that I would ask you to kind of hold on to it, it’s that data and AI are inextricably linked. And that’s true with the Big Techs when you are training the models. It’s true in the enterprises when you are fine-tuning or customizing or implementing RAG-based solutions. Now, as you know, we have been in the data business for a long time. We have worked with the most demanding customers who are the most error intolerant in the world for years, and we learned how to keep them happy, and we were working across domains tax, regulatory, legal, medical, healthcare, technical, financial. All of that is repurposeable into this opportunity. All of that is what makes us. We have been told the number one provider for this largest account that we now have. Now, the good thing is that what we have learned and what we have developed as a platform is transferable. We are now engaged by these other accounts. We are bringing those same capabilities to the field and these other competitions, and we have every reason to believe we will be successful.

Tim Clarkson

Analyst

Right. Now, I suppose the corollary of this is that when your large customers work with companies that don’t have as accurate advantation, they don’t get the successful results. So, from their point of view, it’s very risky to do business with someone where the data isn’t as good as it should be.

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Yes, it’s absolutely right. garbage in, garbage out, bad data, trains poor performing models, of course. I think there are two aspects to it. One is the data quality. And as I mentioned, the challenge of creating high-quality data is only going to get more significant as we move into agentic RAG and these other applications, think about domain specific models and more complex models, the challenge of finding training data is going to be more significant, and then the challenge of getting it right is going to be harder still. So, that’s one of the differentiators that we bring. The other thing that we bring is just very reliable, very tuned execution. So, when someone is training a model, they are depending on getting that data payload on time when expected because they reserve the data center, they have reserved the GPUs for that – those training cycles. If the data is late, if the data needs to be reworked, those GPUs are sitting not being used, costing a ton of money. So, we think of that performance on essentially those two vectors data quality and data timeliness. And if we can execute well on both of those, as we have now, we have become a very important partner to very important customers.

Tim Clarkson

Analyst

Sure. Just kind of give a profile, what would be the typical background of an employee in the Philippines or India that’s doing this kind of work for you in terms of college degree, speaking English, how many years of experience? What would that look like?

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Yes. So, a couple of things there, Tim. Firstly, as you well know, our legacy has been in hiring people offshore Philippines, Sri Lanka, India have been locations of choice historically for us. Now, for this set of opportunities, we are hiring people in those locations, but we are also hiring a ton of people in other locations. We are hiring a lot of people here in the U.S., many hundreds of people here in the U.S. So, our footprint and our profile relative to who we are hiring is changing dramatically from what you recall. The other thing I would say is when we are building these teams, we are hiring kind of a pyramid of different skills and capabilities. At the base of the pyramid are people with very fine-tuned language capabilities, people who are linguist. We have PhDs and we have masters and bachelors in linguistics, computational linguist, externalist English language that we are working within is English. People need to pass significant batteries of tests in order to be qualified. We then measure their aptitude for this kind of work. And then, of course, we put them through a pretty extensive training and design. In partnership with our customers, the kinds of workflows that we can parse out to people and have them be effective very quickly after being trained. So, the good thing about that is we believe we can keep on scaling and not face an impediment in terms of being able to recruit and staff. We believe the platform is extensible and can keep growing to support the growing customer base and the expansions that we are anticipating.

Tim Clarkson

Analyst

Great. Well, look, I am speechless with how well things are going. I appreciate. Let someone else ask some questions. Thank you.

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Thank you, Tim.

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. We will now turn the call back to Jack for any closing remarks.

Jack Abuhoff

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and thank you everybody who joined the call. We really never felt more bullish about our business and more enthusiastic about the market opportunity, creating large-scale near-perfect data is a hard technical problem. It took us years of development and a ton of trial and error, but that’s why we have emerged as the preferred data engineering partner at our biggest Big Tech customer and why we are getting solid traction with other Big Tech customers. We believe large language models will not be built without training data. It’s a critical must-have. We also believe that our differentiating capabilities will be even more highly valued as models become more complex and require more complex training data. If you remember, back in the middle of 2023, we said we were executing on a transformational strategy. We also said that our training data would be the foundation of making LLMs valuable. You are now seeing that with your own eyes in our results. Today, we are focused on growing Innodata to be a larger and more valuable company. We believe there are exciting days ahead, and we are really thrilled that you have chosen to be part of our journey. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.