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Innodata Inc. (INOD)

Q1 2012 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 26, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. And welcome to the Innodata Isogen First Quarter 2012 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Amy Agress. Please go ahead.

Amy Agress

Management

Thanks, Sax. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. Our speakers today are Jack Abuhoff, Chairman and CEO of Innodata; and O'Neil Nalavadi, our CFO. We’ll hear from Jack and O’Neil, and then take your question. First let me qualify the forward-looking statements that are made during the call. These statements are based largely on our current expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, including without limitation that our Innodata Advanced Data Solutions segment is subject to the risks and uncertainties of early-stage companies, the primarily at will nature of the company’s contract with its content services segment customers and the ability of the customers to reduce, delay or cancel projects, continuing content services segment revenue concentration and eliminate number of customers, continuing content services segment reliant on project based work, inability to replace projects that are completed, canceled or reduced, depressed market conditions, changes in external market factors, the ability and willingness of our customers and prospective customers to execute business plans, which give rise to requirements for digital content and professional services, a knowledge processing, difficulty in integrating and driving synergies from acquisitions, joint ventures and strategic investments, potential undiscovered liabilities of companies that we acquire, changes in our business or growth strategy, the emergence of new or growing competitors, various other competitive and technological factors, and other risks and uncertainties indicated from time to time in our filings with the Securities Exchange Commission. Actual results may differ significantly. Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Jack Abuhoff.

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Thank you, Amy. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us this morning. I will review our first quarter 2012 results and share with you some of our 2012 strategic priorities. Revenue in the first quarter was a record $25.1 million, which was a sequential increase of 6% over fourth quarter 2011. Our gross margins held at 36% and our pretax earnings increased from $2.2 million in the fourth quarter to $3.7 million in the fourth, so by all measures a good quarter. 2012 promises to be an exciting year. We are -- we see ourselves as very much participating in the digital revolution and we are motivated to help a wide variety of companies harness the power of digital data within their businesses. The appetite for consuming and analyzing through digital data is just emerging, and I believe that we are proving that today’s Innodata and tomorrow’s Innodata can pay a profound role in this transformation. As this is the first quarter of the year, I will indulge in a bit of table setting. Let’s first take consumer content, eBooks and content delivered over Kindles, iPads, iPhones, and other dedicated eReaders, multifunctional tablets and smartphones have become part of most of our lives. Sales of eBooks sold in 2011 and experts predict significant continued growth over the next several years. But we are only at the very beginning of this transformation and we’ve only seen a glimpse of what the future holds in store. Today, we may read a New York Time bestseller on an iPad, but for the most part what we are reading is little more than a portable version made somewhat a lot like printed book. But tomorrow’s eBooks which we are privilege to be working on will bring immersive multimedia experiences and a high level…

O'Neil Nalavadi

Management

Thank you, Jack. Good morning, everyone. Thank you once again for joining us today to review our financial results for the first quarter 2012. We had another great quarter with revenue surpassing $25 million and net earnings of $3.4 million or 14% of revenues. This strong performance in the first quarter is the result of solid growth in bookings at targeted margins in FY 2011, higher than anticipated volumes of eBook services and the positive impact of operating leverage. I will review with you the details in our financial statements and compare the performance in the first quarter of 2012 to our performance in the fourth quarter of 2011. I will then spend a few minutes discussing our capital expenditures, working capital and foreign exchange hedging program. Starting third quarter of 2011, we reported number separately for our 2 segments, content services and our newly formed Innodata Advanced Data Solutions business, which we also refer to as IADS. Starting this quarter, we will report the numbers after elimination of any internal segment profits. Our total revenues were $25.1 million in Q1, compared to $23.7 million in Q2 2011, a sequential increase of 6%. Approximately $600,000 of this increase of $1.4 million is attributable to an initial test engagement for a major global bank in our Advanced Data Solutions business and the remainder was in content services, primarily attributable to an increase in demand for our eBook services from a key client which was partially offset by lower revenues from other clients. Our top three clients contributed 56% of revenues in both the quarters. Our eBook services accounted for 47% of total revenues in the first quarter, of which a significant portion of the revenues from a key customer. The soaring consumer appetite for eBooks has enabled us to build strong…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we’ll go first to Joe Furst with Furst Associates.

Joe Furst

Analyst

Just 2 quick questions, one on income statement, you have this line it says loss attributable to non-controlling interest, which in this case is a gain. Can you explain exactly what that is?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

The losses relating to the minority interest of the IADS business as we have discussed previously, the Innodata’s interest in the advance data solutions business is approximately 77%. So to the extent that the IADS had losses, the portion that relates to the minority interest is shown in the income statement.

Joe Furst

Analyst

Got you. Okay. And the second question was, you talked about getting $600,000 of revenue from IADS segment on basically a pilot program. And my question would be, what’s -- how is that pilot program going? Is it proving that it works? What’s the status of that?

O'Neil Nalavadi

Management

It’s going very well. I think we’re ultimately able to show this institution and others like it, that by being able to manipulate digital data in a different way than they’ve been able to in the past and to be able to capture information from services of quasi-digital data like images and two, to utilize that data in their businesses. They can reduce risk and they could better manage portfolio. So we’re very encouraged by the work that’s being done there.

Joe Furst

Analyst

How long do you think, it will take, if you can tell me whether this will be an ongoing program or a source of new business?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

It’s hard to say. I’m confident in that it will. And as I said we’re seeing a significantly developed in the pipeline for IADS business generally. What we lack at this point is historical data to help us predict sale cycle. So that makes it very hard to put a number on the quarter or even a number on the year for IADS. But based upon the interest we’re getting and the amount of business that’s pipelining and then further being able to factor that by some referenceable engagements where we’re making real difference for companies. We think there is a significant opportunity there for us.

Joe Furst

Analyst

Okay. I was talking about this one specific program. That is pilot program that you’re talking about. I assume that’s to see if this really worked. And if it does work than they would follow-on with the contract I would think. And that’s what specifically I’ll just talk about.

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Sure, Joe. I appreciate that. I think it’s our policy to always talk at little bit higher level than any single client engagement for the combination of competitive reasons but also being sensitive to individual client references. So again, everything I said about the environment, the opportunity generally is also consistent with the opportunity that we see within the client, based on the pilot.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll go next to Charlie Pine [ph] with Van Clemens.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

I would like to follow up just a little bit on some of the activity in the IADS segment. The additional referenced opportunities that you refer to in the pipeline, I think, is it docGenix or does that have to do with the other segments, Synodex and I noticed you didn’t really reference anything specifically regarding Synodex area. So just I’d like to get a little bit more color on that. And then I have a follow-up?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Sure. We’re seeing opportunities on the Synodex side as well and if you take a step back from Synodex which is geared to digital healthcare information and docGenix which is more focused on financial services information and using the power of digital data in the context of helping financial services from this managed risk. Both of these are very similar plays in essence. From a pipeline perspective, we’re seeing significant opportunity in Synodex as well. And we’re very excited about that. We also have pilot programs that are going on there. And early reports from these pilot programs are equally encouraging.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

Regarding those pilot program, are they -- are you getting any sort of reference dollars from them or are they still in very much -- to the point, we are not getting -- you're not billing any numbers from those yet?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

That’s correct. The pilots that we are doing right now for the most part are not paid pilots.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

And then my follow-up is, you also announced this morning, an intent to file $70 million shelf. What do you need $70 million for?

O'Neil Nalavadi

Management

The SEC rules seriously limit what we can say about our intended shelf registration until we actually file it. Pretty much all we can say is already in the brief press release that we issued today. And we’ll be happy to read it aloud on this call if you’d like us to. But until we file, there is very little that we can say.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

Do you have any time frame as far as when you anticipate actually filing it?

O'Neil Nalavadi

Management

We expect to do it within the next one month or so.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll go next to Tim Clarkson.

Timothy Clarkson

Analyst

Yes. Just getting back to this shelf offering, without getting into the specifics of it, Jack. I mean, obviously if you sell stock and there is dilution that’s a negative, what’s the potential upside of -- you got a company with $25 million or $23 million in cash. What would be the logic of needing more cash. I assume there is some opportunities there that would open up, that would more than justify the additional dilution?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Sure. I guess, again mindful of the rules that are imposed upon us by SEC, we can’t talk in detail about the shelf for reasons that -- I mean I just said. What we can do this is, kind of, take step back from the shelf and talk about how we view opportunity and how we view the importance of being ready to act opportunistically and strategically to make the most of where we are. We’re doing several things. And I think the very important and that could be very influential and very remunerative to our shareholders. The role that we’ve got in the world of eBooks is -- I think enviable. We’ve worked hard to earn the trust of several very large players in that world who are going to be very influential in helping create what it is tomorrow. We see significant opportunities there to continue to be helpful. We just talked a little bit about -- in answer to Charlie’s question about IADS. We see some very significant opportunities there. What we lack is the ability to very accurately predict timing on things. That said, what we’re wanting to ensure is that we have adequate access to capital and access to resources in order to mobilize resources to make most of the opportunities that come our way. We’re very mindful that we are accumulating cash. We’re doing that very intentionally in order to be able to fund opportunities, in order to be able to show a strong balance sheet, which is very important to some of the new kinds of clients that we’re prospecting for. We’re also looking into other kinds of financing which we would probably tap significantly, prior to looking to do anything that would dilute equity. That said, we do believe that there is a best practice relative to being resource enabled and we believe that it’s important for us to try to emulate that best practice.

Timothy Clarkson

Analyst

Right. I assume when you’re talking about on the context on Innodata, it’s a $100 million company with $23 million in cash. If you’re talking about raising potentially $30 million, $50 million more dollars or $70 million more dollars, I mean, that is obviously on the other end pretty large revenue opportunities that would justify needing that kind of capital?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

That’s right. We’re seeing some very significant revenue opportunities, and we want to be poised to be able to react very quickly and with a great level of commitment to those opportunities as they emerge.

Timothy Clarkson

Analyst

Right. I assume that you’re not looking at typically at acquisitions. I know, you’ve always been careful -- been careful about acquisitions?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Yes. We’ve been careful and there is one list of things that we passed on, even recently. But we are continuing to look and we do even today have a list of things that we’re interested in. It could be additive to and supportive of our strategy in the different areas that I’ve mentioned and we’re going to continue to look at this.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll go next to Vincent Colicchio.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Few questions from me here. Was the significant eBook client this quarter the same as the previous quarter?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Yes. We’ve got a couple of significant clients. I think the answer to that is yes. I’ll have to go back and see exactly what you’re referencing from the past. I think the answer is yes.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Okay. My question refers to the -- what was the client that was a key growth driver on the eBook side, the same as the client that was a key growth driver last quarter?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Yes.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Okay. And then, in your prepared remarks, it sounds like, you’ve got an improving pipeline for content services with other clients outside of your top 2 or 3 clients. Is that correct?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Yes, it is.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Okay. And back to your IADS business. This $600,000, that was a pilot. So what was that fee -- how does that fee relate to the pilot? Is that some fee that you can get on other pilots? How does that work?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Again, we don’t have a lot of history to rely upon because we’re talking about new businesses. So what we do see is if you think about this, you got big banks and big, big companies that in various ways touch healthcare and the notion that in this day and age, you can run critical processes, on non-digital information is becoming essentially untellable. There you can’t search, you can’t downstream information to risk systems and a host of things. So there’s a lot of opportunity to help these companies rethink that. And when you think about the magnitude of the sectors and the magnitude of the large companies that populate those sectors, even a pilot can be a lot of money.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Question about -- a couple of question about capacities. So you’re adding some capacity in Asia for both the lines of business. You just mentioned a shelf will be helpful if opportunities came your way. What is your capacity utilization so to speak today for your content services business? How long does it take you to add substantial capacity in terms of timing?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

I’ll start that off and then I’ll pass the ball to O’Neill and Amy. I think what we -- the exact dollar revenue capacity is hard to nail down because it depends on the kind of a business we’re doing. So as the business shifts, the revenue, particularly, the revenue potential of the infrastructure as it exists changes. That said, when we look at expansion, we see that we’ve got a pretty good formula. We’re able to add new facilities very quickly, in the matter of months. And what we see is that based on the capital that we’ve put it, our new -- India based facility that has roughly the potential to generate about $25 million of annualized revenue. O’Neill, what would you want to add to that?

O'Neil Nalavadi

Management

I think in terms of the business model and then just add a little bit of color to what Jack said. We try to manage our business between 85% to 90% capacity utilization. And we’ve pretty much got our business model in terms of growth in a modular fashion. Typically, it takes somewhere between 3 to 6 months for us to get a delivery center up and ready. And we’re talking that in terms of lease premises. In terms of CapEx, typically for, adding incremental revenues somewhere in the order of about $25 million, we’ll fully need to spend between $2.5 million to $3.5 million on an average. So that’s the metrics in terms of utilization and cycle time to get it ready.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

And question about revenue visibility, you have been providing the number of $21 million for the low end of sort of guidance for -- each sequential quarter going? Is that number based on books business and any kind of excess would be from business that comes in the short-term?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

No. The number includes, while it’s book business plus in some cases very late-stage pipeline, where -- we feel very confident in the late-stage pipeline maturing to a booked piece of business within the quarter and that booked piece of business turning to revenue.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Okay. I’ll go back in the pipeline.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we’ll go next to Jay Harris.

Jay Harris

Analyst

Jack, given the fact that you are now going to be reporting on 2 segments, can you say anything about the level of losses or profitability in the IADS business in the next quarter or for the reminder of the year?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Sure, Jay. I think from a modeling perspective, we can expect that the IADS business will be as profitable as other aspects of our business and potentially more profitable. I think strategically the opportunity that the IADS presents is a larger -- progressively larger marketplace and high quality revenue that gives us much, much greater forward visibility, and as we know, that would have great value in term of our product mix. In terms of being able to put a number on it and forecast it, we’re not going to try to do that, for external purposes at this point, because the swings could be too dramatic. And again, to reiterate what I said before, we are learning what the -- the sale cycle and win rates associated with this business are likely to be until and until we have a really good handle on sale cycle, it’s virtually impossible to predict what the revenues in any period there.

Jay Harris

Analyst

What can you say at this point that the losses won’t be any greater in the June quarter or could they’ll be greater?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Could they’ll be greater, they are not forecasted to be greater if we were to begin ramping up for very significant revenue opportunities that are booked. Then depending upon timing of billings versus ramp up you could have greater exposure. So I am not going to say that they won’t be, but I will say is that they, if they are, it’s a good thing.

Jay Harris

Analyst

Are there any other, as you change -- as you have been changing the focus of product line, are there any other new businesses that are likely to ramp up either this year or next year, which could have a short-term negative impact on the P&L statement?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

It’s possible, Jay. We see a number of other opportunities that are either similar to the things we are now pursuing in IADS or relate to consumer content, which I’m referring was to eBooks. And we may the making further investments in those things as well.

Jay Harris

Analyst

Is there a more detail explanation of what your programs or delivery on the IADS business. From what you said on this call, I don’t understand what that bank and the pilot program is receiving nor do I fully understand what the -- what the array of programs can deliver to the perspective customers. Do you have some written materials on your website that describe this better?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

We’d be happy to, we’ll send over a couple of things to you. When we recently – in the past few months we did press release or 2 on docGenix specifically and I think there we described the benefit that our program can have to -- a financial servicing institution. I’ll look around and see we’ve got other things that we could send you to help, round that understanding.

Jay Harris

Analyst

On your more traditional businesses, is the 41% gross margin that you realized in the recent quarter sort of a peak number?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Is it peak number? I think it’s beyond what we would be targeting from a modeling perspective. That said we’re -- we’re always looking to beat what we are targeting.

Jay Harris

Analyst

Last year you sort of said mid-30s.

Jack Abuhoff

Management

And I think from a modeling perspective mid-30s is the way we think about the business right now, the way I encourage you to think about as well.

O'Neil Nalavadi

Management

And Jay, I think the -- we kind of discussed those and maybe 2 or 3 calls ago, in one of the calls last year, this quarter we benefited handsomely from, essentially the operating leverage, when revenue grows beyond what we have planned then we significant percentage of that drops to the bottom line. So from modeling perspective, we should looking at approximately 35% and an EBT of 10% is what we are targeting within that, because we are still aiming for long-term growth. We should be prepared for the company to make some decisions on a quarter-to-quarter basis for making investments in production capacity particularly for our IADS business.

Jay Harris

Analyst

When you are coming back to the more traditional businesses, when you run gross margins significantly above mid-30s, do you have to add more staff? Do you have to spend money with outside consulting firms to build more substance to your offerings? How should one look at this?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

I think like O'Neil is saying the -- there is a lot of operating leverage in the models. So as revenues grow and we are able to accommodate those revenues within the existing physical infrastructure but also within the existing -- variable or quasi-variable spend in management and things like that, then you see a tremendous amount of contribution margin falling to gross margin line and then -- and to the earnings line. And that’s really what’s going on -- it doesn’t involve having tap into external consulting or anything like that.

Jay Harris

Analyst

Going back to the IADS business, since it’s -- the basis proprietary software which you developed, should we assume that as that business comes into its own that it’s perspective gross margins are higher than what your traditional businesses are capable of generating?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

I think it will depend upon the mix. The software component is indeed we are selling licenses to particular pieces of software, but likely could be higher gross margin. But when we are selling the software as a component of our overall service, I think the margins will probably be again consistent with the margins that we are targeting on modeling basis.

Operator

Operator

We’ll go to Marsh William [ph].

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

Actually my questions has been answered.

Operator

Operator

We’ll go to Joe Furst again.

Joe Furst

Analyst

Just to follow-up on this registration thing. Again, given the amount of cash you already have in your history of not really want to make acquisition, is there reason we’ll assume that one other reason you might want have the shelf offering is because some of these potential customers in IADS would give you large enough contracts that they want to see you have more capital available to able to meet their requirements.

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Joe, we haven’t heard, articulate that way by any customers at this point, they -- people that we are working with have looked at who we are -- they’ve looked at the way we’ve manage the balance sheet and they seem happy with what they see. I think what we are thinking about is, less having to create a more substantial balance sheet and more being able to cease opportunities.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we’ll go to George Melas [ph].

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

Quick question on the non-eBook content business, you said it’s been roughly $14 million per quarter relatively flat. Is there much change within that $14 million or some programs or some particular work that you do growing and others declining would that have been sort of daily consistent revenue from daily consistent costumers?

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Sure, George [ph]. It’s a combination. We have brought in new customers that we’ve substituted for some of the existing customer programs within that $14 million decreasing, so new customers are being brought into that. As we said in our more -- emphasized more in our last call, one of the great accomplishments even within that $14 million has been to substantially improve the margins. So as we finished projects and we’re bringing new projects in, we were bringing them in, in a way where the margins were much more clearly aligned with our target margins, that was a great accomplishment. Last year, we also did quite a bit, it was a transformative year for us in terms of -- do a lot of work on our sales force and are more general toward the end of the year we’ve got market strategy. And I think and revitalizing our marketing program as well. So I think this year, I’m very excited and very optimistic that the work has been done transformatively last year is going to start to resulting some good traction there. And I’m hopeful that we will be able to report to you that we are breaking through that $14 million barrier in the course of the year.

Operator

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn it back over to Jack Abuhoff.

Jack Abuhoff

Management

Thank you, operator. So I guess just to recap a bit. Quarterly revenue gross margin, net margins were all up sequentially and year-over-year. Revenue this quarter was at historical high. We’ve got a solid strategic plan in place for this year. In terms of eBooks we’ll be substantially extending our capabilities, in the remaining content services segment we’ll be progressively migrating from often commoditize kind of test based services to progressively more transformative services that have in many cases product like attributes. On the IADS front we will begin to capitalize our investments by driving revenue. So there is, across those markets, there is a lot of good we can do helping companies reinvent their products and their operations for a digital future. We’re excited by that. So thanks everybody again for joining us today. I’ll look forward to sharing with you our continued progress as we move further into 2012.

Operator

Operator

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