Yes. So I think it's important, first of all, to put maybe the segment, and I'm going to talk about the segment of Food & Industrial Ingredients U.S./Canada because that's the segment that has the largest aspect of industrial starch that goes into box manufacturing, corrugating box manufacturing as well as paper making. Just to put the segment's performance in quarter 2 into perspective, first of all, and I'll answer specifically your question regarding industrial. It's worth remembering that quarter 2 2024 for that segment, was a very strong quarter. And this past quarter, of the $19 million decline, approximately $10 million, again, can be considered a one-off related to the challenges at our Argo facility. The remaining shortfall was due to weaker beverage volumes and softer industrial starch sales for the corrugated box market. And again, if it's worth noting that if you excluded the $10 million one-off impact of Argo, the business is still operating at greater than an 18% operating income margin. Now for the second half, we're anticipating stronger industrial starch sales based on what we've heard from our packaging customers. Some of them, which have seen some reduced demand outlook for box shipments, rebalanced some inventories for industrial starch in quarter 2. From what they are telling us and what they have said publicly, we anticipate box shipments to increase. Now that all being said, that's against the backdrop of uncertainty regarding the impacts of tariffs, not all of which are still settled and clear. And so that's kind of how we're looking at the industrial starch market. We have a great market position. And long term, we feel very optimistic about our position as a leading supplier of highly functional strength additives and coding additives for packaging and paper making, and that's been reinforced by the investment we're making in Cedar Rapids right now that will actually give us growth opportunities as that market recovers, which, again, listening to our customers, what they're saying is the second half, they're anticipating volumes to pick up.