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Ingredion Incorporated (INGR)

Q4 2014 Earnings Call· Fri, Jan 30, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Ingredion Fourth Quarter 2014 Earnings Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Later there will be an opportunity for your questions and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the conference over to Heather Kos, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.

Heather Kos

Analyst

Good morning, and welcome to Ingredion's fourth quarter 2014 earnings call. Joining me on the call this morning are Ilene Gordon, our Chairman and CEO; and Jack Fortnum, our Chief Financial Officer. Our results were issued this morning in a press release that can be found on our Web site ingredion.com. The slides accompanying this presentation can also be found on the Web site and were posted about an hour ago for your convenience. As a reminder, our comments within this presentation may contain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially from those predicted in the forward-looking statements, and Ingredion is under no obligation to update them in the future as or if circumstances change. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed during today's conference call or in this morning's press release can be found in the Company's most recently filed annual report on Form 10-K and subsequent reports on Forms 10-Q and 8-K. Now I'm pleased to turn the call over to Ilene.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Thanks, Heather, and let me add my welcome to everyone joining us today. We appreciate your time and interest. I’ll go deeper into the fourth quarter in a moment, but first I’d like to look back on 2014. Clearly the year was not without its challenges. However, we ended the year with modest growth and adjusted operating income and adjusted EPS and generated strong operating cash flow of $731 million. Volumes grew 2% overall and our higher valued specialty ingredient volumes grew by 5%. We are expanding our higher value specialty ingredient portfolio by capitalizing on sustainable fast growing consumer trends like health and wellness, authentic ingredients and gluten-free. In the regions, our operating results were mixed. Two of our four regions were up year-over-year. North America increased volumes in the U.S and Canada, but results were impacted by adverse weather in the first quarter. Despite a good second and third quarter, higher than expected net corn costs caused margins to compress at the end of the year. Volumes of specialty sweetener products including crystalline dextrose continued to grow. Overall, our Mexico business performed well for the year, including double-digit specialty ingredient volume growth in every quarter. However, the pesos rapid devaluation at the end of the year resulted in lower than expected returns on our Co-Products, which contributed to the regions margin decline in the fourth quarter. In fact, the Mexican peso devaluation impacted our performance below the line as well, given the higher taxes we recorded as a result of the currency driven gains on our dollar denominated net assets. Jack will talk more about this later. For the year, North America delivered operating income of $375 million down about 6% from the year before. South America as we’ve consistently communicated throughout the year remains in the grip…

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Thank you, Ilene. Good morning, everyone. Let me start by covering the highlights of our -- of the income statement. Sales were down $131 million for the quarter. The effects of foreign exchange and lower-priced corn, which is pass-through in our selling prices were partially offset by the solid volume growth. Gross profit was down $19 million, as a result of unfavorable currency, primarily in South America and modest margin compression in North America from higher net corn costs. Adjusted operating income was lower than last year by $8 million as the decline in gross profit was partially offset by a reduction in operating expenses. Reported operating income was lower than adjusted operating income by $35 million. This reflects $33 million from a non-cash charge of goodwill impairment in Southern Cone, given the political and economic volatility and continued uncertainty. In addition, we incurred $2 million from the acquisition costs related to the Penford transaction. Our earnings per share reported and adjusted EPS were $0.83 and $1.30 per share respectively. For the quarter, our adjusted earnings per share was $0.05 lower than last year's earnings per share. Moving on to the sales bridge, our sales of $1.4 billion are lower than last year by $131 million. Volume growth contributed $44 million, but was more than offset by $74 million of foreign exchange headwinds. Approximately two thirds of the foreign exchange impact is attributed to South America, with over a half of that amount from Southern Cone. The remaining reduction in net sales is largely due to lower pricing from passing along lower corn costs relative to last year. As we look more closely by region, you can see foreign exchange headwinds affected us across all four regions, however, most prominently in South America. Good volume growth in North America, Asia…

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Thanks, Jack. As we said a few times this morning, our business model which is reflected in the strategic blueprint is working. In spite of economic challenges and slowing economies, our underlying business is doing well. Our balanced geographic footprint, broad product portfolio, and focus on higher value specialty products are expected to drive growth and minimize risk. North America is well positioned to return to growth. South America continues to manage through its challenges. And Asia Pacific and EMEA are projecting modest growth in the face of currency headwinds from a strengthening U.S dollar. We continue to demonstrate a track record of good stewardship of shareholder capital. As I mentioned earlier on the call, we’re excited about the Penford announcement. This expand our higher value specialty portfolio addressing growing consumer trends including nutrition, gluten-free, food textures and sustainable green solutions. Excluding one-time costs, we expect this to be $0.08 to $0.12 accretive to earnings during 2015. And in 2016 and beyond, we expect earnings accretion to be even greater. This coupled with attractive dividends and significant share repurchases demonstrates our ongoing commitment to shareholders. And as Jack said, with the benefit of our strong balance sheet we continue to explore other M&A opportunities that will accelerate our growth. We continue to look for ways we can broaden our portfolio, as well as expand geographically. Taking together, we’re confident that we will continue to deliver excellent shareholder value. And now we're glad to take your questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Brett Hundley with BB&T Capital Markets. Go ahead please.

Brett Hundley

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, everyone.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Good morning.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Good morning.

Brett Hundley

Analyst

I’ve three questions. My first one is regarding your Mexican business. Specialty continues to perform really well there and that's clearly a focus for you guys. I'm curious Ilene, if you can give some color on your view specific to the Mexican business as to how you see that performing overall over the interim, just given the specialty strength and then maybe some of that lingering pressure on the core?

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Okay. It’s interesting. Mexico as you’ve seen the forecast, the GDP there actually right now according to the IMF is 3.2%. So overall the Mexican economy is looking pretty good. Now as we’ve talked about before, our core business continues to be able to serve the sweetener market as well as some of the brewery market and some of the other base business and our specialty growth is very much focused on this -- focus on obesity taxes that we expect to continue when we had a lot of success there and what we’ve done is we’ve taken recipes and formulations from other regions and brought them into Mexico and Mexicanize them. And this is not only for the Mexican taste, but we actually have been able to show our customers how we can take cost out of their formula. We call it save money or value matters. And in fact in things like spreads, low-fat spreads we can take use our modified starches to reduce vegetable oil and reduce some of the costs in those formulations. So it's not just lower calories, but its lower formulations that have been very exciting. And so I’ll turn it over to Jack to see if he has any other view on the Mexican market. But in general, we think between the GDP and the way contracting went and our growth in specialty, we’re excited about our position in the Mexico market.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Yes, Ilene, I think the only thing I have to add really is, in terms of the core it’s fairly stable down there and we see the growth in the brewery sector continuing and being fairly stable and even with the sugar, with the lower corn prices, we’re fairly competitive with sugar in general. So I think that the market is very positive markets for us. I’ve always been impressed by our operations down in Mexico and we’ve three very efficient facilities down there.

Brett Hundley

Analyst

That's helpful. I appreciate it. My second question is just -- you guys have alluded to North American contracting here and there. And as we understand it, pricing across sweeteners looks to be pretty favorably contracted across North America. I am wondering if you can give us a picture globally into your modified starch business and just talk may be qualitatively about what pricing trends look like there in 2015? I think some of us struggle to understand the margin dynamics there, how they flow year-to-year. And I think it might just be helpful to understand qualitatively how pricing went across modified starches?

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Okay. This is Ilene. I'll start out and then Jack will add some comments. If you take a region like Europe, which we talked a lot about, where we’re very much focused on a specialty ingredient market. Our specialty modified starches have continued to perform very well in Europe and a lot of that is due to capacity that we’ve added for some of our strong products that are physically modified with heat, rather than enzymes and are particularly attractive to the trends in Europe in terms of clean label. So we’ve been able to demonstrate success with modified starches in Europe. Asia would be another example. Take a place like China where I’ve talked about -- that our business there is largely specialty food with modified starches and again we’ve been able to grow our position there and deliver value to customers. South America is an early modified starch market. We do have capacity in several plants and have been the leader there. And again I think I said in the last quarter call, that it’s interesting to see how the dairy segment in particular had started to grow in South America with the demand for healthy products dairy. And our modified starches have done well and delivering value there to customers and for our shareholders. And then you come back to North America, and again when you look at the three different countries and our modified starch capabilities in a number of different places, again we are delivering value and able to grow. And it's interesting that modified starch business in North America is in a more contractor type environment whereas the other markets are much more spot markets. And so, it moves very similar in terms of the flow of the year with the North America contracting of the core products. And again, the raw materials are a lower percent of the total cost. We talk about our specialty margins being 2x the core and so we’ve been able to create value for customers and that has manufactured itself in appropriate pricing. So Jack, I’m not sure what you would add.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Yes, Brett, I think just in terms of even modeling and things, if you think about how we sell our modified starches, it's principally a value pricing where you know its what value are we bringing to our customers, which then is not as much correlation to the raw material input and as Ilene mentioned, they’ve significantly higher margins. Gross margins will move a little bit with the raw material input, but fundamentally it's based on the value we bring to our customers versus on the core business, its more correlated to a cost plus type of marketplace. So I think that may help you in terms of how you’re looking at it.

Brett Hundley

Analyst

Yes, exactly. Thank you. And then, just quickly my last question, I just wanted to go back into South America and I'm just curious what you're seeing from a new plant build competitive stance in South America. You guys have long been the leader in the majority or all of those markets and you talk about your desire to take pricing to recover some of these currency headwinds. So I’m wondering if you could give us an update on what you're seeing from a competitive standpoint there and what you think gives you competitive advantages longer term. Thank you.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Okay. I'll start out and see if Jack wants to add anything, but if you look at Brazil as you’ve probably seen in the press, one of our competitors there Cargill has opened up a second plant and obviously has a portfolio of different customers there. You know that we have six facilities there in South America with different product portfolio, and so we’ve been a leader there for many years. And of course we talked about building capacity ahead of the growth in terms of being able to serve customers and of course building these plants takes many years and so we’ve added capacity for the brewing industry and other food industries in the Northeast as an example, which has been growing and we will continue to have some opportunities. It’s interesting, because there has been a drought as you read about in Brazil this year and certainly in the Sao Paulo state, which has been causing some issues to some of the manufacturers, but we’ve managed very well. In fact, in the Northeast where we added capacity recently, there hasn't been a drought. It's been a kind of a more normal summer. And so, I think that in Brazil it will continue to be a very good place to be operating with again the future growth in GDP, looking over the five years. In Argentina, we have two facilities there, and there is competition and occasionally we do see some people adding capacity. But again, as Jack said it’s a tough economic environment, but we believe in it long-term. And in Colombia where we have a number of facilities, we haven’t seen any local capacity being added, but of course with the free trade agreement there’s always an opportunity for people to ship in from the outside. Anything you would add, Jack?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

The only thing I would add Brett is, particularly on the core business which most of South America is, we continue to drive our cost per low delivered cost, and we have a network of plans throughout the region, and we try to drive our low delivery cost throughout the region. And that really gives us the ability to at least be the low cost producer in the marketplace, and these are from estimation. And we continue to look at our entire network of facilities to say okay, how do we improve them? How do we drive continuous improvement through them? And how are we actually utilizing the network very similar to what we did in North America from a total network optimization perspective to drive the low delivery cost thought process.

Brett Hundley

Analyst

I appreciate it. Thank you.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

You are welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Robert Moskow with Crédit Suisse. Go ahead please.

Robert Moskow

Analyst

Hi. Thank you. A couple of things about looking at the first quarter; I was just wondering Jack and Ilene like, some of these issues like the co-product values related to currency, the price mix pressure in Asia Pacific. I wanted to know, to what extent is that just isolated to fourth quarter or are you going to have to live with that into 2015? And then secondly, with the way I’m modeling the business, North America really has to carry the load for 2015, and I imagine with the price increases that will be -- it can happen. But North America really hasn’t done that great for the last two years, and the volume continues to be under pressure for macro issues. Is the volume getting better and once you take all these price increases, do you still expect the volume to hold up? Thanks.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Let me start. I think, let me talk first about co-products in corn for just a moment. We mentioned that, with the sudden devaluation near the end of the quarter particularly in Mexico, we couldn’t adjust our prices. Our prices stay in the market there for a few weeks actually, and it takes a little bit of time to adjust them upward to U.S. dollar equivalencies. And so, that problem is it basically should be corrected now, really it was really a fourth quarter -- late fourth quarter issue from my perspective, and where we’ve seen that collapse. I also mentioned the Canadian corn crop was an issue where we’ve seen some run up in basis, and as well as the quality of the corn. And really, if you think about North America in total, it is abundant corn this year, and so we can source corn from other locations. I think it was just the timing of it. We didn’t realize the quality of the crop wasn’t as good and we had to source it from further away, so it added to our cost as well. And so, and from North America, I would say from a co-product perspective and in a corn perspective, it’s primarily a fourth quarter issue. Obviously these are competitive products. It depends on how the market moves plus or minus. But I expect with the abundance that corn, corn to be relatively stable in the current year. So, I don’t see many major issues there. You had also asked about APAC and EMEA, and it is reflected in our guidance accordingly, is some of the strong U.S. dollars and how we can get our prices up in those regions. One of the things that we look at and it’s factored into the guidance, and that’s why the guidance might be a little bit lower than some people’s expectation, versus the fact that we are having some currency issues in APAC in terms of getting our prices up. And that’s largely because if you think about the dollar strengthening it impacted all currencies including Europe. And so, if we’re seeing competition it’s probably coming under the European market versus a local market at this point in time. So, it’s probably a little bit more challenging. It may take us a little bit longer to get our prices up in those regions. I think that those things have all been factored into our goals. But as you know, EMEA and APAC both have specialty products and they sell more for functionality as well. I’m going to pass it over to Ilene to see if she has anything to add.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Well, on that North America question Robert, I think that we feel good about North America and our prospects for 2015 and beyond. And I think you got to remember when you talk about the last year, we’re starting to lap the bad weather from last year. So, we articulated specifically that impact it had on our business. So, I think obviously that one will be a positive. But I think more importantly to the long-term outlook is growing our specialty business, and again I talked a little bit earlier about Mexico and the GDP growth and the desire for healthy eating. But even in U.S. Canada, when you look at the food companies, while there are some challenges there, they continue to want to develop new products and the consumers really want food that is healthy, low in calories, has good nutritional value, and we are the go-to texture guys to help them formulate, so we’re working with all the major companies. And with the GDP growth for us U.S. forecast to be 3.6% for 2015, and lower gasoline prices, consumers are going to have more disposable income, and they like to eat, they have to eat, they like to go to restaurants. All of that boards very well for our ability to grow with the demand for food products.

Robert Moskow

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

You are welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Ken Zaslow with Bank of Montreal. Go ahead please.

Kenneth Zaslow

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, everyone.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Good morning.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Good morning, Ken.

Kenneth Zaslow

Analyst

Just couple of questions; one is, on a philosophical question it is -- look, over the last several years Ingredion has done, made a conservative effort to increase Ingredion products and reduce the volatility, and then this North America number comes out which again I don’t think anybody kind of expected that. So philosophically, it seems like all the work you’ve been doing is like look, you should be taking down this volatility, but yes the volatility seemed very high particularly in the business that should not be as high. Can you just talk to that? That just seems again, I saw a contrast to what your strategy has been for the last several years.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

What I would say Ken, and it’s a good question. We’re in the middle of the story, which is what we said at our Analyst Day in November. In that, as we reposition the company, first we had the National Starch acquisition which brought on specialty products, we’re in the middle of getting ready to close on the Penford acquisition. So, we’re using our strong balance sheet to focus on specialty products with modified starches and other nutritional focused products. And so, as we reposition the company, we said that actually we were 24% in revenues for specialty products for 2014, and our five year outlook was to grow that to 28%. So we’re making progress, but we’re not -- we’re still in the middle of the story. So clearly, our strategy and our blueprint is moving in the right direction, but our intent is, as we’ve said is to use our strong balance sheet and look at other M&A opportunities to broaden the portfolio and build on the specialty products that were more important to our customers, and at the same time use our excellent R&D and product development capabilities in our idea centers around the world to work with customers to build our specialty business organically. So, those two together organically and using balance sheet to grow M&A should put our wealth growing in our specialty and smoothing out some of that volatility. And Jack, you want to add something to that?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Yes, Ken, I guess, I agree with you to a large extent. I think we’ve made significant strides in terms of keeping our core relatively stable as well. It wasn’t, what I will call a noisy quarter, and you might highlight North America where we have seen corn prices going up, some product comes with our co-products, and a lot of this happened very late in the year. Some of it was exchange related. Some of it was actually just even the crop related that which surprised us a little bit. That’s not usually. We are fairly comfortable there. We have got a good business model. We utilized grain related pricing on half of our contracts and fixed pricing on the other contracts. They try to stabilize the risk associated with our business. So, I do think we have made some good, I’ll say movements in terms of the -- keeping our quarters stable and things. I think that this was a fairly noisy quarter, that’s all I would say. Well a lot of the different things happen simultaneously, that kind of negatively impacted the business.

Kenneth Zaslow

Analyst

Yes, I think, I mean, most [indiscernible] to me, I mean everything else seemed reasonably within range. North America seems really out of whack. But if I continue to [indiscernible] if you did not have the steep devaluation in the back, last couple of weeks of the quarter, where do you think that penalized you?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Well, I guess, if I look at Mexico itself, and I will start below the line first, because that one is very evident to us, is because we have the monitory -- U.S. dollar monitory assets in Mexico, and for tax purposes they are considered actually a gain in pesos, but that actually impacted us about $0.10 negatively. And then we also got a benefit because we now had this incremental tax payable, so at a pause of $0.02 type of thing. So net-net it was about an $0.08 hit there. It’s much challenging to understand the impact of the devaluation pertaining to both the co-products and things because it’s really just chasing the market a little bit. And you don’t know how much is the market, and how much is the exchange in those market places. And so, there I would say that it’s at least another $0.05 type of range just in Mexico itself. And so, I would put it into that framework that, those last few weeks probably cost us about $0.13 just for Mexico itself. Ilene, I don’t know if we’ve kind of talked about the issues. Do you have anything to add?

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Well, I would say that down the other part of the exchange noise that we talked about in the script was the Canadian exchange that sometimes we take for granted and that was an unusual movement at the very end of the year, and so that pricing of co-products had a squeeze there and so we said that, that was a couple of cents, and then of course we talked about the exchange in Asia also. So, yes, by the end of the year we had to deal with that, and -- but you’re right Jack that Mexico was the biggest impact.

Kenneth Zaslow

Analyst

Okay. And I will [indiscernible] one more point, but if I take out the adjustment for the weather, adjust for the fourth quarter; you probably have at least $40 million of loss profits throughout the year, just on that. But yeah, you’re only calling for double-digit growth in 2015 even though you have really strong pricing. So, this was truly one time in nature. I feel like the guidance on the North American business again seems light and I feel like I’m missing something more than what you’re saying. And again, I’m not trying to be difficult, it just seems …

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

And if I could just add a couple of comments on that though; one of those things that we talked about the $20 million in terms of the cold. During the remaining portion of the year, we did a lot in terms of our controllable cost within North America as well. And our plants ran very efficiently and effectively causing us to be able to satisfy the volume needs as well. So, we were able to offset some of those numbers in the year as well. So, I don’t think that -- I think in the prior year we said that we would come back from the drought with some incremental dollars. But our teams do an excellent job in terms of actually trying to minimize some of the impacts throughout the year, and they do offset some of those costs. So, it’s not totally additive in nature.

Kenneth Zaslow

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll go next to David Driscoll with Citi. Please go ahead.

David Driscoll

Analyst

Hi. Good morning.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Good morning.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Good morning.

David Driscoll

Analyst

So, just a quick statement. So, Ilene, and this -- maybe this is a little tough luck here, because it’s a great company. But you said a number of times that the business model is working. I mean, EPS was down 10% in ’13, and it grew just 3% in ’14 on what should have been an “easy comp”. I think when you make this kind of statement that your business model is working, it’s considered to work, if you’re growing 10% to 12% kind of per year outline, and I certainly recognize the five year track record is better. But you guys are still a bit more optimistic than I think what the actual results are. So, two quick questions, I just follow-up on this fourth quarter issue. The $0.20 miss was pretty big. I mean, that was a large number to us. I mean, there was too much to play from the time of your last call, November and December. So, it sounds to be Jack, its $0.10 for Mexico, Asia contributes a few cents, and then other miscellaneous. Is that the $0.20 reconciliation relative to where your consensus was?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Yes, and I would say that there’s probably a little bit more in the exchange in South America as well David, from what we expect.

David Driscoll

Analyst

Okay. Good picture is ’15. This range is enormous. I mean, it’s enormous. I mean, Ken just gave like this very optimistic view that everything you’ve given is low. But I mean, your initial guidance this year was $5.35 to $5.70, you’re coming at $5.20. So, I get the optimistic side of it, but obviously there are some factors out there that have been hard for you guys to call. I really think it would be helpful to people just to talk about, what is going to -- what shows up in the numbers if you produce $5.40 in earnings? And what shows up in the numbers if you produce $5.90, because again, an enormously wide range. I mean, its what, 4% or 3%, have the 13% growth, there were 14% growth, I mean, the range here is quite huge. And I think in any of us trying to explain this to investors in the coming months, we really need to hear kind of the details as to what drives low and high end?

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Well, David, I’ll start out and when you -- I appreciate your comment. And when I talk about the business model working, I have talked a lot about our global footprint being a strength. And being in a lot of different economies and being in 40 different countries has been a positive, when you look over five years to be able to take advantage of the different global trends with the rise of the middle class, the focus on consumers wanting healthy food, lower calories. And so, it’s a positive, but of course you have to take the headwinds in a company like ours when you have this foreign exchange at the very end of the year that really goes against us in most economies. But our job is to really deal with that and build shareholder value over the long-term, and that’s why I feel that our company and our people are focused on the right things in terms of growing with the right formulations in R&D and product development not just waiting for M&A to happen, so that we can serve these consumers and our food companies over the next five years. So that’s what our job is. And in the meantime, when there are headwinds you got to focus on continuous improvement, so we have a very good six sigma process that we’re implementing especially in South America when you have this kind of low in the GDP. So, that’s when I say our business model is working that we got to contemn with that over the long-term. Now in terms of the range, and then I’ll turn it over to, Jack. Its interesting because while they maybe 4% above and below, and he’ll talk about what could drive that. The reality is, is that it’s a lower number than when we were giving our ranges back in a much lower EPS world. But there is some volatility, and we don’t like to miss our numbers. So, we like to deliver on our commitments and we feel that from a shareholder value point of view and return on capital employed, we’re delivering on our commitments, but clearly we didn’t in terms of the guidance. So, Jack, why don’t you explain the different parts of the range?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Yes, let me first of all start with the higher end of the range, because I think that, that is the one that I would like to focus on first, and maybe you might say its optimistic, David. But I will tell you the -- if you look at the higher end of the range, that’s really driven by the fact that as we have some of these devaluations, how hard will it be to get pricing in these markets when the economies are operating at relatively slow levels? And so, usually it’s about three to six months. We’ve seen Argentina that gets stabilized, but we haven’t seen the same recovery rates as we anticipated and so it’s been elongated out there. And so, will there be something that we can really start to drive some of these price increases to offset the exchange and this is happening in both. EMEA is very challenging from that perspective, it’s potentially a specialty market, and so therefore you’re selling in euros, and so therefore it’s much more challenging to get the exchange out. So, can we still get pricing through there? And APAC is basically the same, is will we get the pricing out of our APAC region to offset some of the exchange differences. If we do, then we’re going to hit the top of the range, and included with that, if some of these economies start to pick up or start to see volume growth as well in these regions. The other piece is, is and Ilene has commented on it quite a bit in terms of what's hitting on the top end of the range. Can we really execute on our continuous improvement programs particularly in South America where we have changed from a growth environment to a low…

David Driscoll

Analyst

Jack, at current exchange rates can you put a figure on this pricing number, I mean, sometimes I don’t even think that the rest of us on the outside know what you’re talking about. I mean, are you talking, you need five points of pricing in ’15 in order to recover 10 points of pricing. What's victory to get to that $5.90?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Well, I think it’s different in all markets. I don’t know whether I want to put very specific points, because it’s different in some places like Korea versus Thailand versus Argentina. So, I don’t know whether I would want to quantify it that way.

David Driscoll

Analyst

That’s why you get paid the big bucks. So, definitely any guidance you can get to at this time, next time, I’ll tell you what, it’s greatly appreciated, because it’s a hard thing. I mean, certainly we’re dealing with these currencies that are going haywire and trying to think about how much pricing you need to both catch up from last years issues and the forward year issues, its hard. I mean, its hard -- I mean, I get why the range is wide, but kind of putting some points on what it takes to get there I think is very helpful for the street itself, but I’ll leave it right there. Thank you.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Thank you.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll go next to Farha Aslam with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Farha Aslam

Analyst

Hi, good morning.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Good morning.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Good morning.

Farha Aslam

Analyst

Discussion about North America, and in particular your guidance; is it really just the recovery of what you think the first quarter loss is due to the weather? Could you quantify that roughly that what we should add back into numbers?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Well, Farha we disclosed that the cost was around $20 million. And as I indicated that, some of those costs were made up during the course of the year, so it will be something less than the $20 million. But that’s a good number in terms of our -- the cost that the cold actually impacted us.

Farha Aslam

Analyst

Right. And then in terms of contracting, how did the contracting season go? We’re all talking that it went well, but did you feel like it went well? And about what portion of your volumes in North America are really solid and contracted? And what portion can be impacted if all the ethanol crush plants swing out of ethanol because that’s barely breakeven and swing that capacity into sweetener and starches products?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Well, as you know we contracted for volumes as well as pricing at the beginning of the year. And so, if you’re looking at the sweetener market where most of that swing capacity would move to, that is virtually all contracted at this point in time, and I think it met our expectations in terms of contracting. There’s always some variability on the spot market but we don’t do very much spot marking -- spot market in the sweetener business. In some of the other businesses more than some of the specialty businesses, that there is always a little bit of business, some of it as Ilene mentioned is fairly much contracted during the contracting season. But there’s always a lot that goes through distributors and things like that, that is more of a spot type of business, because they’re going into smaller manufacturers as well. And that would represent probably 20% of our specialty business in that category. So, there’s always some spot business but in general. And then in Mexico we always have 10% to 20% of our business which is spot business in North America just by the nature of how some of that -- not everybody contracts down in Mexico.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

And the other thing I would say is, we talked about capacity utilization in the industry, and I think last year it was something like 86% and then with some of the actions that we’ve seen in terms of that being tightened up was very positive. And so, the thresh utilization is expected to be in the high 80’s during the year. But in terms of ethanol, we -- and again we haven’t been in that business, and the piece that will come with Penford is a very small kind of cost optimization model. So, in terms of people switching over, as Jack said the contracting has been pretty much done for the year and did go well given those dynamics that I just talked about. So, we don’t see a lot switching over in the short-term.

Farha Aslam

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Akshay Jagdale with KeyBanc. Go ahead please.

Akshay Jagdale

Analyst

Good morning.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Good morning.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Good morning.

Akshay Jagdale

Analyst

So continuing on North America; can you give us a sense of what your net corn costs are likely to be? I mean, just looking at the future strip, it looks like flat to slightly up when I take into account current co-products. Is that -- can you give us directionally a sense of what your net corn cost might be this year?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Yes, Akshay, we don’t really even disclose our net corn cost anywhere. I think you can look at the strip like we can and kind of say okay, where is the market right now? As you could see, it was interesting in the fourth quarter how we’ve seen the increase in corn cost after what was a phenomenal harvest really. And so, the cost did go up kind of saying here is the true value of corn I guess, is the only way I could interpret that. So, it partly depends on when you’re buying the corn? When you’re -- how you’re laying out your co-products, and where your facilities are located a little bit? So I don’t think we really ever give those type of numbers.

Akshay Jagdale

Analyst

Yes, you report gross corn cost percentage change in your filing, I’m just directionally trying to get a sense, is 2015 it seems like its going to be relatively stable from a cost perspective on corn, correct?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

I would agree with that. I would say that, if you think about, there’s abundant corn in the market place, so the supply and demand balance is nothing that’s going to be driving any usual anomalies that we can foresee today. Now the one thing, I having been in this business for a long time, I also have to highlight that there’s always huge little nuances that happen in the course of any year that could even drive it, that we didn’t expect. But at this point in time, I don’t see anything that’s going to make it volatile.

Akshay Jagdale

Analyst

So, then the next part is on the other side of the equation on North America. I’m still trying to understand how I come to your net sales guidance for North America being flat. We’re seeing -- we’re hearing pricing off double-digits on these contracts and volume trends despite what you’re seeing in Mexico in ’14 were positive. Now I know there is, you’re probably thinking of some elasticity as you take prices up, but how do we get to flat net sales growth in North America. I mean, even if I assume a 4% FX headwind, with pricing expected to be up significantly, I’m not sure how we should be thinking about flat sales growth?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Well when you say pricing up significantly, the corn numbers as you indicated are relatively flat year-over-year. And when we’re talking about margins, that’s a small percentage of the actual numbers, and so I don’t -- I’m not too sure that I follow your thought process, but pricing should be up significantly from that perspective. I guess, as we’ve gone through contracting it does, it varies directly with the corn prices. But I’m not too sure why you would see that, there being such a large increase in the price as a percentage of the total.

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

And I think -- okay, so on the operating income, which is really what we do in terms of the profit. How do we drive profit improvement in terms of contracting went well. We’re looking at a better mix in terms of specialty products, delivering that higher margin product, and then wrapping the cold weather. I think that, that’s how we’re looking at improving the business, and then getting the benefit of some of our cost reduction investments even in North America.

Akshay Jagdale

Analyst

Yes. I was just trying to get granular, but the bottom line is, in terms of the EBIT growth estimate that you have out there for North America or guidance, its obviously double digits coming from a year that you had, I mean, still pretty good. But why shouldn’t -- is there a possibility that it could be better. I mean, I’m just looking at the overall industry and I don’t know when the last time you had close to 90% utilization levels, but I think, I would say 2012 would be the most comparable year. So in that year your EBIT was up 20% plus. So is there a possibility that North America could be better than what you’re projecting?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

I think what we’re trying to do with our guidance is put it right down the center as best as we can in terms of the pluses and minuses that we see. So North America obviously it could be up of everything, brakes [ph] well for them. But on the other side, there could be also some headwinds that are there as well. And so I think we’re in a pretty good spot with respect to guidance from that advantage point. Obviously, if we -- if there is positives, it may be still in that upper end of the guidance range, I would say.

Akshay Jagdale

Analyst

Okay. And just one -- last one on South America. A lots going on, there is lot of moving parts. Where did we end up in terms of EBIT in the Southern Cone? Because I think you had given some guidance on that early in ’14. And more importantly what -- you took an impairment charge, but what’s your view -- latest view on sort of normalized EBIT in that region? Thanks.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Yes, let me give you a little bit of how we ended the year, because in the past I’ve commented very specifically on the Southern Cone. We said that we will be in that $27 million, $28 million, $29 million range, and that’s exactly where we came in for the year. So that was one of the areas that actually hit very close to where we anticipated them to. If you looked at going into next year, one of the issues we’re seeing is that some of the same issues are still persisting particularly within Argentina, which really drives the Southern Cone results. And we’re forecasting a relatively flat type of number, because we're not anticipating a significant devaluation or anything until after the elections in the fall, where it could impact 2016 more. And so, I guess, what we’re looking at for the Southern Cone even we still expect it to come back over the course of a number of years. But one of the reasons we took the impairment is the fact that we’re seeing that the business -- while it’s still profitable and a good business, if the recovery up to that $60 million to $70 million that we’ve talked to in the past has been elongated out there for probably until past 2016, and so when we’re discounting it back at a very high discount rate, it really didn’t justify keeping the goodwill on our books. But we still think that Argentina from a fundamentals perspective, it has low corn costs and it has a -- we have two good facilities there. I would say that in the longer term we’re still very bullish on it.

Akshay Jagdale

Analyst

Okay, great. I’ll pass it on. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our final question will come from Adam Samuelson with Goldman Sachs. Go ahead please.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

Yes, thank you. So I guess a longer term question and just goes back to the Analyst Meeting in November where you laid out the medium-term kind of growth, the new growth path tends to double-digit EPS growth. And certain -- and most of your guidance range for this year really doesn’t [indiscernible] came in below the range for ’14, but the ’15 guidance most of the range would fall below that growth path. It really just the incremental FX pressures or what -- how is your -- if at all your long-term thinking changed relative to November that would get your most of your plan below kind of the trajectory you thought you’re going to be few months ago?

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Yes, Adam. No, we’ve not changed our long-term outlook. We feel that its very -- the algorithm is exactly what we said in November. And that looking long-term, we see the ability to grow in our specialty products driven by the rise in middle class and the other consumer trends for healthy eating. So that we think we should be able to drive two thirds of the low double-digit EPS growth from our organic capabilities around the world and that the other one-third would come from using our balance sheet including M&A. And that pipeline remains very robust and these bolt-ons that I’ve talked about before, we continue to work those just because we announced Penford and we're working on that process. We continue to work that equation and have -- again, having generated $731 million in cash flow, having a great balance sheet, we continue to look at this M&A around the world and places that can add value and broaden our portfolio and geographic expansion. So we believe in that algorithm that we laid out in November.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

Okay. I guess, I would just -- I just commented the -- it's hard to -- it’s difficult to reconcile that with the reported results and really the reported results on last two years were you fell below the guide path that you laid out a couple of years ago. And now already kind of trailing what was the expected path that you laid out three months ago. So I just -- I think there is -- I presume there is an expectation for an acceleration at some point to get back there and I’m still struggling to see how we get there. And just -- a couple of quick clean-ups. How much did the EPS in the fourth quarter and the full-year benefit presumably from lower incentive compensation accruals, if you missed your initial 2014 targets? And then, the reduction in the accretion expectation for Penford, is that really just a function of timing as to closing later than you thought, or is there lower contribution from ethanol which I presume the margins in ’15 will be lower than what Penford has actually realized in the LTM [ph] that you saw in September?

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

I’ll start and then I'll turn it to Jack. But on the Penford, we had -- when we modeled the accretion we hadn't given a huge margin to the ethanol knowing that once we get in there we’re going to try to figure out how to optimize that. So we’ve not changed the Penford equation at all. We haven’t close, so we’ve no new information and the change that we put in was purely the timing. We expect to close in the first quarter and we’ve the shareholder vote that they approved and we're working through the regulatory. So that purely was just the arithmetic on the timing. And I’ll let Jack address the incentive that we obviously lowered.

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

Yes. Just to reiterate, we're still looking at $20 million of synergies out of the Penford acquisition and that really have a year's synergies that we are looking for and then prorated it over the 12 month -- the 12 month period to close. So it’s more or less in line with what we’re saying. In terms of compensation, I think it depends on how you're looking at it. If you're looking at it year-over-year, our compensation has been reduced in two years primarily, because last year we didn't hit our targets and this year we didn't hit our targets as you pointed out. And so effectively you're not seeing a big swing in our compensation numbers year-over-year. Obviously, as we look at our guidance, we're anticipating hitting all our targets and that's one of the reasons why we are saying there would be some increase in our operating expenses as we move forward because of the fact that the variable compensation will kick in and we will pay it accordingly.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

Any way to quantify that, and what's the incremental on the guidance?

Jack C. Fortnum

Analyst

No, we don’t really break that out.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

Okay, all right. Thank you very much. End of Q&A

Ilene S. Gordon

Analyst

Thank you. So before we sign off, I just want to reiterate our confidence in our long-term outlook and the long-term view of our business. And we remain keenly focused on shareholder value creation and we’re committed to deliver shareholder value. That brings our fourth quarter 2014 earnings call to a close. Thanks again for your time today.

Operator

Operator

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