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Independent Bank Corp. (INDB)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 16, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Independent Bank Corp's Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions]. This call may contain forward-looking statements with respect to the financial condition, results of operations and business of Independent Bank Corp. Actual results maybe different. Factors that may cause actual results to differ include those identified in our Annual Report on Form 10-K and our earnings press release. Independent Bank Corp. cautions you against unduly relying upon any forward-looking statements and disclaims any intent to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether in response to new information, future events or otherwise. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Christopher Oddleifson. Please go ahead.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us this morning. With me is Rob Cozzone, our Chief Financial Officer, who will cover our financial results in more detail following my comments. We sustained our track record of delivering solid financial performance with a strong third quarter result. Core earnings came in at $18.6 million or $0.71 per share nicely above both prior quarter and prior year results. The quarter featured many positive trends, commercial loan activity was fairly robust with a portfolio growth of 5% annualized. Our loan pipeline remains pretty flush. Now the heated competitive environment has not eased at all, our pull through rate on origination is still pressured. Yet the positive here is that we are at the forefront of the deal flow and get a good look at a very large number of credits. Fee income generation has been encouraging with good growth in core areas such as deposits, interchange and mortgage banking in the third quarter. Investment management revenues have been tampered by the weakness in the equity markets, but it is most definitely the source of long-term growth for us. Liquidity is in great shape with core deposits at 88% of total deposits with a healthy demand deposit component, and this has served to keep our overall cost of funds at a low rate. Credit quality continues to be stellar with a loss rate of a few basis points this year along with non-performing asset levels [indiscernible] rates at very low levels. This is not a recent achievement, but a longstanding point of distinction for us as a highly disciplined lender. And we are certainly not naive to the ebb and flow of credit cycles and we know that credit costs have really nowhere to go up from here, but we do feel…

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

Thank you, Chris, and good morning. I will provide more detail on our third quarter results. Independent Bank Corp. reported net income of $18.6 million and GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.71 in the third quarter of 2015. This compared to net income of $17.5 million and GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.67 in the prior quarter. The prior quarter included a number of items that the company considers to be non-core, while the third quarter had no such items. When excluding non-core items, operating diluted earnings per share increased 4.4% versus the linked quarter, and year-to-date operating and diluted earnings per share have increased 12% versus 2014. As Chris mentioned, return on average assets and return on average equity were strong at 1.03% and 9.75% respectively for the quarter. In addition, return on tangible common equity was north of 13.5% in the quarter. Strong earnings results continued to drive growth in tangible book value per share which increased by $0.59 during the quarter and now stand at $20.81 or $2.15 higher than a year ago. Likewise, tangible common grew nicely to 7.9% in the quarter. Results for the quarter were largely as expected as solid new business opportunities continued. Total loans increased 1.2% during the quarter with a commercial book continuing to lead the charge. Within the commercial portfolio, typical seasonal utilization led to a 10.6% increase in the construction book, that increase was partially offset by 1.2% decline in the C&I book as business sale-related pay downs were on the rise. The home equity portfolio also continues to experience healthy growth as our direct mail offers continued to resonate with existing customers and in markets prospects. Our ability to penetrate acquired geographies with home equity product has steadily improved. As expected, the rate of decline in…

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Thanks Rob. So now we're ready for some questions.

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Mark Fitzgibbon of Sandler O’Neill. Please go ahead.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Good morning, gentlemen.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Good morning, Mark.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

The first question, I have for you. You guys have done a great job of sort of driving down your funding cost, but your cost of funds is pretty low compared to your peers today. Do you think you still have any room to kind of push on that side of the balance sheet?

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

Yeah. The remaining room is certainly pretty marginal on the deposit front, Mark. On the wholesale front, we don't expect to see a significant decline during 2016, but heading into 2017 we do have some wholesale funding that will [re-price] [ph] lower assuming no significant increase in rates before them. So I wouldn't expect much relief on the funding cost side over the next four quarters or so. As we head into 2017, we will see some [indiscernible].

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. And then given that it looks like rate increases could still be a ways off and your balance sheet is really asset sensitive. Are you doing anything to reduce the asset sensitivity of the balance sheet or are you going to hold the rate sensitivity position as it is?

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

Well, we continue to think the prudent thing is to do what we have been doing which is focusing on generating primarily floating rate assets, so certainly on the loan side of the book and we continue to anticipate doing that. However, we have not just recently, but over the last several quarters because of our asset sensitivity, have been comfortable putting slightly longer-term investments into our investment books, so some of the investments that we have purchased really over the last couple of years have had a longer duration than maybe we would've done on an historical basis. So that's given us some flexibility to take on a little bit of duration risk there, but from a lending perspective the plan is to kind of stay the current path. And just a follow-up to your first question, Mark, you should have noticed on the balance sheet that we had a wholesale repurchase agreement that paid off -- matured during the quarter and that will have a benefit to our cost of funds heading into the fourth quarter to the tune of about a basis point.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. And then lastly, I think you said previously that advertising expenses would drop in the fourth quarter. If you take that into consideration, should we expect non-interest expenses to be sort of flattish overall with the third quarter, do you think?

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

No, you should expect them to be lower.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Lower, okay. Great, thank you.

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Laurie Hunsicker of Compass Point.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Yeah, hi, good morning, Chris and Rob.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Good morning.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Just a follow-up on Mark's question on advertising, so I know in June you were a $1.9 million in advertising expense versus March you were around 800. What was the number in September? Does the number vary and the other…

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

It's about $1.5 million.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

$1.5 million, okay. And approximately where does that drop to in fourth quarter? Is that back to that 800 run rate or…?

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

I don't remember the exact number for the fourth quarter, Laurie, but you should expect to see in total [indiscernible] expense at least $1 million decline heading into the fourth quarter.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Okay. And then, is the advertising going to sort of be a seasonally up number in June or September or was that just more in conjunction with the closing of the PEOP?

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

Historically, those have been the most active periods for us for advertising.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Okay, great, thanks. And then accretion income in the quarter, what was that?

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

That was pretty consistent with last quarter at about $600,000.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Okay, so that's roughly 4 basis points or so of your margins.

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

Yeah, 3 to 4, yeah.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

3 to 4, okay. And then, I noticed your investment management income is down slightly. Where are assets under management and how do you think about that going forward?

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

They are currently at $2.5 billion so rounded we’re down $100 million versus last quarter and that is entirely market driven. As I said in my prepared comments, the new business flow is strong. We're having a lot of success in our Boston office and all the assets are growing nicely, and the pipeline looks good. So we expect new business volumes to continue at strong levels like they have been over the last couple of years. One thing that’s happening a little bit though is that all asset classes are down and some asset classes down even more than equities and so that's causing the drag on the total portfolio.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Okay. And would you all look to do an acquisition in that area to build assets or how do you think about that?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Laurie, we would love to do an acquisition in an area and we've actually over the years sort of gotten to know the market. The difficulty in sort of that space is cultural integration, as you know profoundly different, when you are thinking about integrating IRAs versus integrating banks. And the one acquisition we made back in 2007 the principals were clearly ready to retire due to sort of age and health reasons, and so the more junior principals had worked in the bank years ago, so they integrated very well with our culture. The IRAs, they are typical of the size that we would be interested in purchasing, very, very entrepreneurial and very sort of firm on their view on their approach and integration is difficult. So I’d say, yes, but it's a lot tougher to do it in the bank space.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Okay, then Chris, I guess last question to that point, how do you think about bank acquisitions? Now that Peoples is digested, how are you looking at that landscape?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Well, we have had a great track record in acquisitions, when you take a look over the last decade, it actually is very important in terms of our where we are today, the scale [they have] [ph], our ability to cover some of the increased regulatory expense, so I'd love to do more acquisitions, but the banks are sold not bought, and as Board of Directors decided that's something that I want to explore I hope - hoping [indiscernible].

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

And just to that point, geographically, will you refresh us on directionally how far outside of your footprint you would consider expanding?

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

I will cover for now Laurie. What we have said is, we certainly like eastern Massachusetts as you know the vast majority -- the economy is within eastern Massachusetts for all of New England we’re comfortable going out west as far as Wister probably not further than that, north as far as southern New Hampshire and Southern Maine, so maybe into Rhode Island we already have obviously a loan production office and an investment management office in Providence, but no branching currently in Rhode Island. So that's generally the geography that we are focused on and comfortable with.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

We're fortunate that we're sort of smack up in the middle of the economic centroid of New England, so thinking about expanding sort of in concentric circles from where we are now a little more north, a little more south, little more west. Try not to go into ocean in the East, is sort of a logical thing for us. It's been quite successful for us in the past.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Thanks, Laurie.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. The next question comes from Collyn Gilbert of KBW. Please go ahead.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, guys. Can we just talk a little bit about your construction portfolio? I know you'd indicated that you know there is some seasonal uptake that you see in the third quarter. But just in general, I know you guys, I think in the beginning of the year, were talking optimistically about your opportunities within construction, just sort of give us an update on where things stand and what you think you could do into next year within that portfolio?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Well, the increase, as I said in my comments, [imbalances] [ph], so outstandings was pretty much all driven by drawdowns on existing lines that had been booked in previous quarters. Heading into the fourth quarter call and as you might expect that tends to reverse, so we wouldn't expect a further increase in the construction book in the fourth quarter. In terms of a longer-term view, certainly there continues to be a lots of activity within our footprint and especially within the Greater Boston area, some of which makes us a little bit nervous and we're not interested in participating in. So we've been pleased with the discipline growth that we've had to-date. At the current time, we expect to have a similar trajectory over the next several quarters [indiscernible] for both the seasonal changes. But there certainly is some concerning signs within construction and within commercial real estate in general, within the Greater Boston area.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Okay. What are the types of projects where you are feeling comfortable underwriting to and pricing that you're seeing on some of those types of projects?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

It's really no change. It’s been our standard bread-and-butter that we've been involved in all along. A lot of it is multifamily, it's not the premium luxury multifamily priced towers you see going up in Downtown Boston, but at the smaller units you know that still have attractive price points. There is mixed used commercial development in there. So really no change in what we have done historically. The loan sizes are a little bit larger on average than what we've done historically, but [indiscernible] very consistent from geography perspective, it's pretty well spread out across our geography. Certainly the deals within Greater Boston are larger, so they tend to make up a higher percentage of the dollars, but not to a great extent.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful.

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

In terms of pricing, pricing is very competitive, and we've been able to hold the line for the most part. In construction you do get a little bit of the premium over general CRE. It's nice -- it tends to be floating rate, so that's good too.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. And then just thinking about the trends again a little bit longer-term within the swap income line. What are you guys seeing with your borrower behavior? What are you anticipating going into the year? Is there any fallout from what we've seen globally with what your borrowers are -- the confidence that some of your borrowers have, I guess when we’re looking at the Beige Book, I think it indicated that refinancing started to slow overall for the first time in many years. So just trying to see how that translates into what your customers are thinking and doing?

Rob Cozzone

Analyst

We've been pretty successful with refinancing some of our existing swap book, so that generates a new swap fee when we are able to do that and that's attributed to the fact that rates are in many cases lower today than they may have been when the original swap was put on. So some of the activity we've seen is related to that. Borrower perception can vary significantly. We have a segment of our borrowers that recognize that rates are at historic lows, they are not interested and may be gambling with rate increases, [indiscernible] very comfortable with the low fix rate that they can get and so we'll swap their loans all day long to get that longer-term fixed rate. Other borrowers that may be a little bit more sophisticated have been paid to sit by and float, and so they pay close attention to what's happening with interest rates and what interest rate expectations are, so they are often comfortable staying non-swap at a floating rate. So it varies pretty considerably. We have a pretty good pipeline of loans [indiscernible] swap heading into the fourth quarter, but quarter-to-quarter that number will continue to be volatile.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. And then just one last question on credit, Chris, I know you, you know in your opening comments, you'd indicated your awareness of the credit cycles and you guys certainly are -- credit quality has just been super strong. Is there sort of a range that you are all thinking about where that provision goes or range of net charge-offs, just trying to see the recognition that we're at a low level and it inevitable is going to need to go higher, but how are you thinking about that into next year?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

We're not ready to sort to give direct guidance for next year, but I'll say this that the skies look really clear. I mean they look really good as far as we can see. But being folks who have lived through a few cycles that by definition makes you nervous. So we can't point to anything or see anything anything on the horizon, but we do know the business cycles probably have not been repealed.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Okay. I'll leave it there. Thanks guys.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Coll.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Okay. So there are no more questions.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Well, thank you very much everybody and we look forward to talking with you in the year 2016. Thank you. Bye.