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Independent Bank Corp. (INDB)

Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 17, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Independent Bank Corp First Quarter 2015 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions [Operator Instructions]. Please also note, this event is being recorded. This call may contain forward-looking statements with respect to the financial condition, results of operations, and business of Independent Bank Corp. Actual results may be different. Factors that may cause actual results to differ include those identified in our Annual Report on Form 10-K and our earnings press release. Independent Bank Corp cautions you against unduly relying upon any forward-looking statements and disclaims any intent to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether in response to new information, future events or otherwise. I’d now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Christopher Oddleifson, President and CEO. Please go ahead sir.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. I’m accompanied by Rob Cozzone, our Chief Financial Officer, who’ll take you through our financial results following my comments. Following a terrific 2014, we carried the momentum into the current year with another solid financial performance. Core earnings for the first quarter came in at $15.8 million or $0.63 per share. While the harsh winter in New England did put a crimp on general business activity, we held our own in generating good bottom line results. The key drivers on a year-over-year basis were operating revenue growth of 6.8%, solid core deposit growth, strong double-digit increase in investment management revenues, continued stellar credit quality, and rising capital levels. While loan growth and deposit fee income were negatively impacted by the weather in the first quarter. Our commercial loan growth was also influenced by competitor pressure which I will address in a few minutes. I’m delighted to say that our completion of the People's Federal acquisition went according to plan. We have historically managed the integration process well. I can't remember a smoother one than this. All systems and branches were converted without a hitch on the first weekend and we’ve hit the ground winning. And importantly from our new customers’ perspective, they continue to be served by branch management and staff they know. We are also fortunate to regain several key executives from Peoples, Maurice Sullivan, former Chairman and CEO joined our Board. Jim Gavin, the Peoples senior lender joins our commercial lending leadership team and we welcome Chris Lake, the Peoples CFO, as a Director of Risk Management. Peoples with its eight branches helps expanding Eastern Massachusetts franchise by linking our legacy South Shore network with our more recent Northern presence. The Greater Boston market is where…

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Thank you, Chris and good morning. I'll now review our first quarter in more detail. Independent Bank Corp reported net income of $9.5 million and GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.38 in the first quarter of 2015. This compared to net income of $16 million and GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.66 in the prior quarter. Both quarters included items that the Company considers to be non-core including $0.25 of mergers and acquisition expenses in the current quarter and $0.02 of M&A expenses in the prior quarter. Excluding those and other minor non-core items, operating diluted earnings per share were $0.63 in the first quarter, compared to $0.69 in the prior quarter. As indicated previously, due to seasonal factors such as fewer days and higher employee benefits expense, our first quarter results typically are well within the late quarter results. In addition, the quarter just ended also included impacts from weather related reductions and customer volumes, unusually low net charge offs and an inflated interest margin due to early pay offs of the acquired loans, all of which I’ll discuss in more detail momentarily. On an operating basis, the return on average assets was 0.97% and the return on average equity was 9.33% for the quarter. As Chris mentioned, the Peoples Federal acquisition close on February 20, and the branches and systems were fully converted that weekend. The integration has gone very well and cost savings targets have already been achieved. As a result, we’re on track to deliver immediate earnings accretion. Within the press release you will see a summary of the assets and liabilities acquired, as well as an additional schedule to help you better understand organic loan and deposit growth rates for the quarter and year. Fair value basis, the Peoples loan portfolio were 60%…

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

[Technical difficulty] Rocco, we’re ready for Q&A.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Mark Fitzgibbon of Sandler O’Neill & Partners. Please go ahead.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Good morning, gentlemen.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Hi, Mark.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

First question, you had said that the pipeline was larger. I wondered if you could put some numbers around that.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Yes, the commercial pipeline Mark, end of the quarter to $175 million and if you recall last quarter we did not have a pipeline number available for the call. The subsequent we did get the number on $125 million at the end of the year. So an increase of $50 million.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. And then secondly, I heard your guidance about the full-year for the margin, but I wondered if you could help us think about in the second quarter. I know you had some unusual dynamics in the first quarter.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Yes. So the enhancement in the loan yield due to some payoffs of acquired loans had about a 4 basis point impact on the margin. So we don’t really expect that to repeat in the second quarter. And then the deployment of liquidity versus the fourth quarter also had a 4 basis point impact. So if we didn’t have those two items, we’d have been flat about 342 versus the fourth quarter. We do expect good deposit growth in the second quarter, but we also expect good loan growth in the second quarter. We don’t anticipate that our cash position will change too much from the first quarter to the second quarter and so the most significant impact in the second quarter versus the first quarter will be the 4 basis point reduction due to purchase accounting acceleration.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Is there -- is all of sort of the restructuring of any assets or liabilities from the Peoples deal that you plan on doing? Is that already done?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

That’s all done, Mark. And actually we didn’t do any restructuring held on to their home loan bank advances. They had fairly short maturities and so we just going to let those run off. We do, however, as I mentioned, prepaid a sub-debt in the first quarter and so we will get about additional basis point of benefit on the margin by not having that for the full quarter in the second quarter.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. And then there has been a lot of new capital that’s come into the market there in Massachusetts second steps and de-mutualizations [ph] that kind of thing. Is that having much of an impact on loan pricing?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Sure its.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

It is?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Margin [ph].

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

And then, finally with -- consumers in business is continuing to migrate to online channels. I’m wondering of your view on, your branches and the structure of your branch system has changed at all?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Mark, our view hasn’t changed markedly since the last time we talked about this, but it certainly has changed over the last several years. Interestingly research shows that even folks who are heavy users of digital channels choose a bank for local presence availability. So, we believe that our branch presence is actually a key factor to our success going forward. Now the nature, sort of what the branch network is going to look like going forward, that’s the interesting question, and one that we are diligently sort of looking at, and consider in fact we have invested in some capability in terms of analytical capability and executive talent that has experienced arena, and we will sort of look at options and begin testing different formats and ways to structure balances, network branches, physically network branches and staff branches over time.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Thank you.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Thanks Mark.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Bishop of Drexel Hamilton. Please go ahead. Hello, David your line is open sir. All right, I will go to our next question. And our next question is from Collyn Gilbert of KBW. Please go ahead.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, guys.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Good morning, Collyn.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Just a couple of questions, first on expenses. It looks like your census came in a little bit lower than what we are expecting this quarter. Is that something that’s sustainable? Do you kind of have an outlook there for where you see that trending and then obviously keeping and taking into consideration the saving from Peoples et cetera?

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Yes, a couple of things did benefit the expense line item in the quarter Collyn that will be reversed in the second quarter. First of all some hiring has been delayed. Second, our advertising campaign which I mentioned that did kick off at the end of the first quarter is not fully ramped as of yet, so we’ll be spending additional advertising dollars in the second quarter as we typically do, and then some consulting engagements that we have planned or delayed in the first quarter as well. So, we’ll take an uptick from those items, but we’ll obviously see a reduction in snowplow expense which was $1.3 million in the first quarter -- in the second quarter, and we’ll see a reduction in some benefits expense, federal taxes, that sort of thing. But we’ll also see the impact of a full quarter worth of Peoples expense.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Yes, okay.

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Kind of combing all of those on a co-basis, we’ll have an expense increase heading into the second quarter, but nothing out of line of what we had anticipated at the start of the year.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Okay, that’s helpful. And then just on the loan derivative income, I mean should we assume that that was really a function of the rate environment or how are you thinking about that business line going forward?

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Yes, I wouldn’t suggest its necessarily a function of the rate environment, it certainly is impacted by closing volumes which were significantly lower in the first quarter than in the fourth quarter last year, actually any other quarter last year because of the weather. So we expect closings to pick up given where our pipeline is, and so that should benefit the swap line. But also you have borrowers that have that loans on the books with swaps for a number of years and maybe looking at extending those transactions and starting to re-swap some deals. So I expect this to be a low point for swap income for the year, and we’ll start to see that to increase with both activity as well as likely some more incentives potentially for borrowers to swap transactions that they’re having in the past due to maybe a higher probability or [technical difficulty] we see at some point.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Yes, okay. Actually did that point on the notion of potentially higher rates? Your NIM guidance is that assuming a rate increase?

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

It does not.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

No rate increase, okay. That’s helpful. Okay, and then just a final question, what do you guys think would need to change either from a macro or a micro perspective that would cause you to see sort of your pull through rate increase. Is it a pricing issue, a structure issue? Just trying to sort of get a pulse on where, what catalyst you see need to occur for that to sort of change?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Yes, I think both of us will comment on that. First of all I want to sort of emphasize given the expense that is on our franchise and our coverage that we accomplished over the last few years. We are seeing a lot of deals. Our senior lender sort of is, says that we’re seeing the vast majority of potential deals out there, taking a look at. So that’s the really good news and as we said the pipeline is up. At the end of the day, I think what we’re going to need to see is a little movement on interest rates from the Fed, the signal folks that forward, maybe rates aren’t going to be down here for a long time, because what appears is, happening out there that people are making a bet that interest rates are going to be down for a while, and so far they have been right and we have not bee right. But its most prudent is in a position for sort of rising rate environment. I think when we see some indications that that is going to I think going to sort of help us.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Okay.

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Yes, and also that the pull through rate is obviously being impacted by the competition and Mark commented on new capital that is in Massachusetts and being actively deployed at what we view as pretty aggressive levels and so in total there’s a little bit more rationalization there and we will have that impacting our pull through rates.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Okay. Are there any pockets of geographies where you were as not as competitive, where you’re seeing better pricing and better structure?

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Both of us will answer that too. I think there are two theorem, first of all we actually given our size have a nice, a sweeter spot and sort of loans between roughly $10 million and $20 million, so that is a good area. Also how we have expertise in ABL, which is helpful too, and we have been a long-term construction lender. So I say -- I would say it’s less about the geography Collyn. I mean obviously every bank wants to be in Boston, and that’s where the economic growth is. That’s where the vast majority of economic activity in Massachusetts and a large percentage of economic activity in New England is, so everybody wants to compete in Boston. But there’s also a lot of deals in Boston. So the availability of deals relative to the number of banks is probably consistent with the rest of our footprint. And so I wouldn’t say any geography in particular is more competitive than another geography, but we are able to be more effective on the types of deals that Chris described.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Okay, great. That’s helpful. Thanks guys.

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Laurie Hunsicker of Compass Point. Please go ahead.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Yes. Hi, Chris and Rob, good morning.

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Good morning, Laurie.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Good morning.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Just a couple of things here. On sale of securities, I’d say that’s not separately broken out, did you have any this quarter?

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

We did not.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Okay, great. And then, just in terms of Peoples Federal, now that it’s successfully closed, can you just remind us how many branches were closed both yours and theirs? And generally I guess your M&A opportunity going forward?

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Just on the first, we didn’t close any branches. We retained all eight of their locations. We didn’t have rarely any overlap with their locations far one time and that time of the locations were pretty far apart. So there were no closures with that acquisition. And our M&A appetite I would sort of characterize as, that we would be delighted to talk to any board and management team that is, decided that maybe a better option for the future would be sell their franchise to somebody like us. So, we’re in talk, no question about it.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Okay. And just to remind us geographically, how far Western Massachusetts where you had.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

We’ve talked about heading to Worcester, and but much further of that, and that is really not in our strategic view at this point, and there’s a lot of activity out to Worcester in general, so we’d be very comfortable moving in that direction. But once you get past kind of that on the western part of the state there’s not a whole lot of economic activity of growth -- inner growth.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Okay, great. And then, just back to your branches for a minute, pro forma I was looking at the branches of UR versus TOT combined and you would have been at 91 and obviously you finished at 86. So did you close some of your own branches in the last quarter or am I just looking at dated information?

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Yes, I think that might be dated information. We have not closed any branches. We’d be happy to give you a full listing, if you would like.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Okay, perfect. And then one last question, assets under management. Where does that number stand and any general thought for this year?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

So, it’s at about $2.5 billion -- it’s about 100 plus. I wanted to say $2.5 billion but I guess rounded its $2.4 billion.

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

It’s almost – it’s heading to around at $2.6 billion, I think what Chris meant to say. So we’re a healthy $2.5 billion and we were a weak $2.5 billion at the end of the year. So we saw good growth in assets under management, assets under administration. Sorry Laurie we missed that follow-up.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Yes, any thoughts generally on how this year is going to unfold? Any new plans, any …

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

For investment management?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

I just want to make a couple of -- we have a really great model in our asset management. We have grown this over the last 10 years from about $400 million to $2.5 billion. And the vast majority of that has been organic. We did one acquisition I think about $150 million of AUM. And the vast majority of the organic comes from our branch network and our commercial lending relationships. We really have cracked the code in and how you combine a great asset investment management group that is very much, that are oriented [ph] staff with people from your industry and how you combine that with the relationships that we have within our commercial lending and our branch banking. With the acquisition of Peoples, Peoples did not have any investment management capability. So we think that that is a really great opportunity for us to provide no extraordinary value to all of Peoples customers and our new customers that we earn in that market. More over we -- as you recall opened up a Boston office and that’s doing well. We have a full staff there. We’re looking for more and we’re slightly ahead of our plan. So, we think that over time what we’re going to see sort of growth consistent with what you’ve seen in the past. Is that fair?

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

It is fair.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Yes.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Thanks Laurie.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Bishop of Drexel Hamilton. Please go ahead.

David Bishop

Analyst

Yes, it’s David Bishop actually Drexel Hamilton, I’m not sure how they got Trez [ph] Capital, but I’ll take it. Good morning, gentlemen. Hey, Rob actually can you update us on the interest rate risks positioning of the company from the Peoples merger if it changed materially following the integration of the balance sheet.

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Yes, actually it hasn’t changed material at all, David. The Peoples – and I’ve mentioned this previously. But the Peoples loan portfolio was largely made up of 5.1 arms for both their residential book and their commercial book which is atypical of the converted thrifts that we had acquired in the past. So maybe we’re more asset sensitive than your typical converted thrifts and therefore, and also given the size of their balance sheet less than $600 million that didn’t have a big impact. And the deposit book was largely core as I mentioned the 70% of their deposit base is core, and so it had a minimal impact on our asset sensitivity position.

David Bishop

Analyst

Got it. And then just on an organic basis, it looks like you had nice inflows on the DDA side, anything driving that particular this quarter? Any sort of seasonality?

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Yes, not seasonality. It’s actually atypical for us to see that much DDA growth in the first quarter, and typically we start to see that in the second quarter. I think a little bit of that might have been kind of pre-funding of the seasonality that we do typically see in the first quarter. But we also saw and maybe it was weather related lower attrition in accounts that we typically see in the first quarter. So, not sure if that will catch up to us or not but it did have a surprising impact on the first quarter balances.

David Bishop

Analyst

Got it. And then just, a question for you both in terms of you have hearkened back to 2006, 2007. Any similarities or in terms of underwriting frothiness or just loosening standards. I’m just curious that there’s any parallels you’re seeing there I mean specifically maybe draw some of the parallels what you’re seeing now compared to then relative to 2006, 2007 period?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

When you said specifically, you said you sort of phase out, so we didn’t sort of hear that. But let me just comment, you can follow-up. Clearly we’re not seeing anything remotely like the residential underwriting sort of phenomena we had in 2007, that has really tightened up and that’s sort of a non-issue, so don’t mean to sort of imply anything along those lines. What we are seeing tough is, personal guarantees, more cash outs, higher LTVs, lower pricing on the commercial side.

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Yes, lower debt service ratios, and we’re seeing some what we would consider poorly structured asset base deals being done. So, on the commercial side we are starting to see a little bit of the behavior that we experienced in ’06 and ’07. But certainly the consumer side of things has been really tightened up.

David Bishop

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Sorry, no further questions. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I’d like to turn the conference back over to our speaker for any final remarks. End of Q&A

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Well thank you everybody for joining us today and we look forward to speaking with you again in three months.

Robert Cozzone

Analyst

Thank you. Bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you everyone for attending today's conference. Today's conference has now concluded. You may disconnect your lines and have a wonderful weekend. Thank you.