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Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 28, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Immersion Corporation Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2012 Earnings Conference Call. During today’s presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, the conference will be opened for questions. (Operator Instructions) This conference is being recorded today, Thursday, February 28, 2013. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jennifer Jarman of The Blueshirt Group. Please go ahead, Jennifer.

Jennifer Jarman

Management

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today on Immersion’s fourth quarter and fiscal 2012 conference call. This call is also being broadcast live over the web and can be accessed from the Investor Relations section of the company’s website at www.immersion.com. With me on today’s call are Vic Viegas, President and CEO, and Paul Norris, CFO. During this call, we may make forward-looking statements which may include projected financial results or operating metrics, business strategies, anticipated future products, anticipated market demand or opportunities and other forward-looking topics. These statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Accordingly, actual results could differ materially. For a listing of the risks that could cause this, please see our latest Form 10-Q filed with the SEC, as well as the factors identified in the press release we issued today after market close. Additionally, please note that during this call, we may discuss non-GAAP financial measures. For each non-GAAP financial measure discussed, a presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure and a reconciliation of the differences between the non-GAAP financial measure discussed and the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure is available in today’s press release. With that said, I’ll turn the call over to Chief Executive Officer, Vic Viegas. Vic?

Victor Viegas

Management

Thanks, Jennifer, and thanks everyone for joining us this afternoon. 2012 was a year of strategic accomplishment for Immersion, as we made significant progress in executing our strategy of; one, creating new haptic technologies and user experiences; two, focusing on the haptic technologies and experiences that bring maximum value to OEMs, developers and consumers; and three, monetizing both our innovative software solutions and our strong patent portfolio. The success of our strategic initiatives in 2012 has established a solid foundation for growth in 2013 and beyond. Our software licensing business is profitable and expanding rapidly particularly in the mobile market where our OEM customers have shipped over 550 million TouchSense-enabled smartphones and tablets. In 2012, we expanded our mobile market presence in important new geographies including Japan and China. We provided our OEM customers and content developers with powerful tools that make it easy to integrate rich haptic-enabled user experiences into their products. And we strengthen the ecosystem for haptics by working with key industry partners such as chip suppliers, actuator companies, and driver vendors to bring new technologies to market. At the same time, as we’ve been enhancing the value of our TouchSense solutions, we’ve also been investing strategically in the expansion and enforcement of our intellectual property rights. We achieved a significant milestone in our Basic Haptics patent enforcement initiative last November when we successfully resolved our patent infringement litigation against Motorola by entering into a settlement and licensing agreement with Google and Motorola, covering our Basic Haptics IP. More recently, our January 2013 agreement to expand our license with LGE Electronics to include Basic Haptics patents further underscores how the most powerful players in the mobile ecosystem, not only are embracing our advanced software solutions, but are also recognizing the strength of our patents. We are continuing our Basic Haptics litigation against HTC and feel confident regarding the strength of our case. The hearing in the ITC action is scheduled for late March with an initial determination due in June and a final determination in October. By gaining recognition for the value of our IP portfolio, we are preventing low-cost infringing alternatives from competing unfairly against our software solutions, establishing fair pricing within the haptic ecosystem and setting a baseline for future touch technology innovations. We’re pleased with how we’re progressing, not only through the litigation process as we seek to enforce our IP rights, but also on our ongoing licensing negotiations with existing and new customers. In a few minutes, I will discuss our recent business developments and expectations for 2013. But, first, I’ll ask Paul to provide a detailed review of our financial results for the fourth quarter and fiscal 2012. Paul?

Paul Norris

CFO

Thanks, Vic. Revenues in the fourth quarter of 2012 were $8.9 million, up 15% compared to revenues of $7.7 million in the year ago period. Revenues from royalties and licenses of $7.6 million were up 12% compared to revenues of $6.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2011. Revenues from product sales were $837,000, up 21% from product sales of $691,000 in the fourth quarter of 2011. While revenue mix per line of business is expected to fluctuate on a quarterly basis due to seasonality patterns, for the fourth quarter of 2012, a breakdown by line of business as a percentage of total revenues was as follows; 46% from mobility, 21% from gaming, 23% from medical, 6% from auto and 4% from chip and others. These percentages are based on total revenues including revenues from royalty and licensing, product sales and development contracts. Gross profit was $8.5 million or 96% of revenues compared to gross profit of $7.3 million or 96% of revenues in the fourth quarter of 2011. Cost of revenues in the fourth quarter was $386,000 compared to $342,000 in the fourth quarter of 2011. Excluding cost of revenues, total operating expenses were $8.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2012, compared to $7.1 million in the fourth quarter of 2011. This includes non-cash charges related to depreciation and amortization of $647,000 and stock-based compensation of $800,000. Excluding these non-cash charges, OpEx on a non-GAAP basis was $7.2 million during the quarter compared to $5.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2011. OpEx in the fourth quarter of 2012 included litigation-related expense of $1.9 million. Net loss for the fourth quarter of 2012 was $200,000 or $0.01 per share compared to net loss of $270,000, also a $0.01 per share, in the fourth quarter of 2011. As you…

Victor Viegas

Management

Thanks, Paul. In recent months, Immersion has taken significant steps forward in establishing the value for our intellectual property and software solutions. The successful resolution of the ITC action against Motorola combined with the expansion of our license agreement with LG Electronics to include both our Basic Haptics IP and our TouchSense software demonstrates the heightened value of our technology in today’s touch-centric mobile market. We’re pleased to know that our technology is valued and in demand throughout the mobile market. While we will continue to protect and enforce our IP rights in 2013, we are looking forward to working with our partners to develop and implement solutions that will enable richer, more realistic, and more compelling haptic experiences for mobile device users around the world. I’d like to take this opportunity to give some visibility into the status of our negotiations of a new license with Samsung, the current license having expired at the end of 2012. When we last renewed our agreement with Samsung several years ago, the world of smartphones was much smaller and the primary value for haptics was button conformation where it saw limited adoption in the mobile space. At the time, we had developed some innovations in our TouchSense embedded level software, but our solutions addressed a limited use case. By contrast, today our TouchSense solutions offer powerful new ways for users to communicate through touch and enjoy tactile effects in games and other media. We offer OEMs a suite of integration tools designed to enable them to easily customize the haptic environments of their mobile devices and the value of our Basic Haptics patents in the mobile space has been validated. As a result, we believe the value of our IP and solutions has substantially increased. Given the recognized importance of our software…

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Charlie Anderson with Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead. Charlie Anderson – Dougherty & Company: Vic, my questions – I wanted to start out first with, you guys are on some Samsung devices that will continue to ship, I’d imagine, or are shipping still in 2013, I wonder are you still getting paid on those devices as is that embedded in the guidance? And then I’ll ask my follow-up after that.

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

Yeah, Charlie, I’m really not at liberty to discuss the current Samsung agreement. Charlie Anderson – Dougherty & Company: I guess, what I will ask is, to what degree, Vic, is that self-inflicted in terms of – could you have gone forward with the economics that you had? And then another thing I was wondering is there I believe that you’ve been adding content – adding more content in their more current devices and I believe that I always felt like you’re getting paid more for that extra content and were there mechanisms to earn more or they just simply not sufficient in your mind?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

Yeah sure. Over the last few years, we clearly have been adding additional capability to the TouchSense solutions. And we have been receiving additional compensation for those extra – that extra value that we created. So, yes, it has been an increasing growth in our ASPs in our revenue base. In terms of the status of the negotiation, I think as I stated in the script, over the last few years, the value of haptics has grown dramatically. The number of devices using the TouchSense solution, as well as Basic Haptics has grown dramatically. We think that the value of this solutions and the IP has increased substantially. So, it was not a matter of accepting terms consistent with the prior agreement. It really is a matter of us establishing substantially higher payments for the increased value of the IP and the solutions. So that is – that’s what we’re trying to achieve. Charlie Anderson – Dougherty & Company: And is there any direction you can give us in terms of qualifying what do you mean by substantial?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

At this point, no, I am not in a position to be able to do that. Charlie Anderson – Dougherty & Company: I think, historically, you guys have talked about the bottom line performance in the annual guidance. So, I’m wondering maybe if you could address that or at least maybe talk about where you expect the expenses to shake out for the year.

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

Sure. As we said, we’re not in a position to provide the annual EBITDA or profit guidance. We are evaluating all of our options with regards to our relationship with Samsung. And so we can say that we do expect to increase head count modestly. We expect to maintain appropriate cost controls on all of our expense areas. So I would think that you won’t see anything dramatically changing there. But depending on the path that we take, there could be a substantial change in some of the OpEx categories. Charlie Anderson – Dougherty & Company: Got it.

Paul Norris

CFO

And, Charlie, this is Paul. I would add as I think we indicated, once we have a little bit more clarity on the Samsung situation, we’ll come back with a necessary updated guidance and bottom line guidance, as well as top line guidance. Charlie Anderson – Dougherty & Company: Do you guys have a sense of how long it will be before you have to make a decision on that?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

We have put plans in place. We’re evaluating a handful of options. But in terms of the timeframe, that’s not something we can share with you just yet. Charlie Anderson – Dougherty & Company: Got it and I think...

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

When we make a move, you will be aware. Charlie Anderson – Dougherty & Company: Yeah. And you guys I think last year on your guidance, you embedded the potential for settlements and did you do that at all in this year’s guidance?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

This year’s guidance is based on the existing customer base, some of our more recent license arrangements and anticipated growth in the business. But it is absent anything related to a Samsung renewal or new relationship. Charlie Anderson – Dougherty & Company: Okay, perfect. Thank you so much.

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

Thanks, Charlie.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Jeff Schreiner with Feltl & Company. Please go ahead. Jeff Schreiner – Feltl & Company: Yes. Thank you very much for talking my questions, Vic. I wanted to understand basically the tone that I’m assuming here is that, if things don’t go the way that Immersion would like in negotiations with Samsung, is Immersion then willing to pursue litigation?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Jeff Schreiner with Feltl & Company

Jeff, we’re not going to try to predict what we’ll ultimately end up doing. We just are currently evaluating our options and I’d like to leave it at that. Jeff Schreiner – Feltl & Company: You recently, obviously, had the success of negotiating with Motorola and Google. And thinking back about other agreements you have with either Nokia or Samsung, I’m just trying to understand if any of these agreements might have a most favored nation clause which could be triggered if someone is giving a lower rate than someone else?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Jeff Schreiner with Feltl & Company

To my knowledge, I don’t believe we have used the most favored nations clause in any of our agreements. So I’m not aware of any limitations we have on entering into new agreements.

Paul Norris

CFO

Jeff, I don’t think we’ve talked too much about specific terms in contracts today that we might have. But as you can imagine, we generally try to avoid any kind of most favored nation limitations that would impact other relationships based on an initial relationship. Jeff Schreiner – Feltl & Company: Thank you. Just wondering as well as you’ve been talking about a strategy of working towards settlements. Now, it was kind of what I think Mr. Anderson was saying in terms of the embedded revenue you had for the last year, if settlements came and those were with possibly people that you’re either litigating with or not litigating with yet and you might be able to reach a settlement. Is the current Samsung situation going to possibly have a negative impact on any other potential negotiations as others may wish to see what Samsung chooses to do?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Jeff Schreiner with Feltl & Company

I don’t know the impact that it would have on any of our discussions or future business. So it’s hard for me to predict what impact it might have. I think that the use of haptics is growing. The value is something that is growing in user experience. So I believe the people that we’ve worked with in the past, they appreciate that value. They continue to launch and ship new products. So I don’t believe it’s going to have any measurable impact on our ability to enter into agreements going forward. I think kind of by implication, you’re talking about recent agreements. May be I’ll just clarify that we are able to, in many cases, negotiate and settle difference as we did with Motorola. We have captured payments that they have made for prior shipments that was treated as a contra G&A expense item, so you would not have seen any impact on the revenue for that deal. The LG Basic Haptics agreement was entered into during the first quarter of 2013. We’d expect the impact of that to begin in 2013. And I’m not aware of really any other agreements that would have been impacted by the prior guidance that we gave for 2012. Jeff Schreiner – Feltl & Company: Okay and there is also – I guess I left it out too, there is a third bucket and I’d like to understand if there’s possibly negotiations outside with maybe non-litigants or non-prior licensees. Are there ongoing negotiations still for the company in that bucket?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Jeff Schreiner with Feltl & Company

Yes, absolutely. There’s a full Basic Haptics licensing strategy we’re engaged with a number of parties that are not existing licensees or litigants and we continue to make progress. And, again, the momentum created with the Motorola settlement and the expansion of the LG license has given us great momentum and given us confidence we’ll have success with the others as well. Jeff Schreiner – Feltl & Company: And just one last question for me, gentlemen, thank you for your time. Given the experience I’ve had in the past in IP litigation and things that can happen, what is the risk to Immersion that going to trial with HTC, and if you lose to HTC that, that could negatively impact, let’s say, just at least your recent agreement with Motorola and Google?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Jeff Schreiner with Feltl & Company

Again, this requires some hypothetical analysis and I’d say we feel so confident that’s not a possibility that I am prepared to even imagine. We feel good with our case at the ITC level and we expect to win. Jeff Schreiner – Feltl & Company: Okay. Thank you, gentlemen.

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Jeff Schreiner with Feltl & Company

Thanks, Jeff.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from the line of Krishna Shankar with ROTH Capital. Please go ahead. Krishna Shankar – ROTH Capital: Yeah. Can you elaborate on your recent agreement with the Chinese handset companies and also the Japanese companies and how you’d work with chip companies in terms of your licensing and royalty agreements?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Krishna Shankar with ROTH Capital

Sure. The agreements in Japan are primarily focused on utilizing our TouchSense 3000 and our TouchSense 5000 solution. We’ve had quite a bit of success and they have had success growing their market share using TouchSense as a way to differentiate their products. So, we’re very pleased with the relationship that we have with all of our companies in Japan. We’re also happy with the relationships we have in China. We have, in the past, made our TouchSense 2000 solution available through chip partners such as Atmel, Cypress, MTI as well as Imagis. And they have been quite active in promoting this solution to a number of Chinese OEMs. I mentioned three, ZTE, Huawei and Xiaomi. All three have launched products using a chip-based solution under license from Immersion either purchased through TI or Imagis primarily. And they have also had great success in the marketplace, such that they are now working with Immersion directly to utilize our advanced TouchSense features in our TouchSense 3000 and TouchSense 5000. So we would expect to continue those discussions and those activities, ultimately leading to those companies launching products with our TouchSense solutions. Krishna Shankar – ROTH Capital: And going forward, as you look at the smartphone and tablet market, is there sort of subset – is there a subset of that market which will find your solution re-applicable? Or how do you sort of view your served available market for your solutions and what segments of the smartphone and tablet market do you think that you would be going after in terms of licensing and royalty?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Krishna Shankar with ROTH Capital

Well, I think all smartphones and all tablets are made substantially better in terms of the user experience with advance haptics from Immersion. So, I think all categories whether they are the high-end, the mid-range or the low-tiered phones would benefit. Because of certain cost constraints, I think we found ourselves to have a lot of success in the upper and mid end range of smartphones and tablets. At the lower end range, we’re having success with our chip-based partner solutions as well as our IP initiatives with Basic Haptics. So, in some of those lower-tiered phones, where cost savings for reduced actuator capability, is something that they are using to reduce their costs. They are using the Basic Haptics solution and typically those are under license from Immersion. And if they’re not, then those are the subject to some of our enforcement actions. Krishna Shankar – ROTH Capital: Okay, thank you.

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Krishna Shankar with ROTH Capital

Thank you, Krishna.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Richard Marshall with SunWest. Please go ahead. Richard Marshall – SunWest: Hi, Vic. How are you guys doing?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Richard Marshall with SunWest

Hi, Richard. We’re doing just fine, thanks, Richard. Richard Marshall – SunWest: We’re all just got back from Barcelona, so we saw basically a ton of phones employing your technology, especially in the Android universe. Just to clarify, are Huawei and ZTE currently licensees?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Richard Marshall with SunWest

Huawei and ZTE are currently not licensees, but they’re using a licensed solution from either Imagis or TI. Richard Marshall – SunWest: Okay, so they are on site in terms of using your technology?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Richard Marshall with SunWest

Yes, yes, absolutely. Richard Marshall – SunWest: Okay. Yes, bunch of their phones.

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Richard Marshall with SunWest

Yes, and they feel great. They really are – it’s a great product. Richard Marshall – SunWest: Yeah. And the HTC phone was quite nice too. Unfortunately, they’re not saying but it’s a quite a nice product. The Samsung discussions, now, will you characterize it as active or did it sort of just lapse and the agreement lapsed and they have been slow to get to you?

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Richard Marshall with SunWest

I would say that the agreement expired at the end of 2012 and the discussions were quite active even very recently. But at this moment as of today, we want to make sure we’re providing the right expectation, the right guidance. And so, at this point, we’re as I said (inaudible) continuing to explore and consider other options. And those options could include a very favorable and amicable resolution which is always what you hope for or could include other kinds of activities. But very active discussions up until today and we’ll see how we move forward with our various alternatives. Richard Marshall – SunWest: Well, I would just like to say as your largest shareholder that we encourage you to stand fast in these negotiations with Samsung and make sure you get paid what you deserve for the technology. We’re in it for the long haul and we’re in it for the big win. We think this is a major differentiator when it comes to mobile devices, your touch technology. And it should not under any circumstance be sold short or too cheaply. So, whatever you guys decide and you got to do, what you got to do to get paid and paid fairly for this.

Vic Viegas

Analyst · Richard Marshall with SunWest

Richard, I appreciate that feedback and someone who really understands the story and who’s had a good recent experience at Mobile World Congress with all of the activity. I really appreciate that comment and that’s exactly how we feel and that’s exactly how we’re operating. Richard Marshall – SunWest: Good to hear.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we have no further questions in the queue. I’d like to pass the call back to management for closing remarks.

Victor Viegas

Management

Well, thank you everyone for being on the call with us today. We look forward to updating you, again, in our next quarterly call. Thank you and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the Immersion Corporation Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2012 earnings conference call. I’d like to thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.