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Ingles Markets, Incorporated (IMKTA)

Q2 2012 Earnings Call· Mon, Apr 30, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Ingles Markets Inc. Second Quarter of Fiscal 2012 Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the conference over to Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Ronald Freeman. Please go ahead, sir.

Ron Freeman

Management

Thank you. Good morning. Welcome to Ingles Markets Fiscal 2012 Second Quarter Conference Call. With me today are Robert Ingle II, CEO and Chairman; Jim Lanning, President; and Tom Outlaw, Vice President of Sales. Statements made on this call include forward-looking statements as defined by and subject to the Safe Harbors created by federal securities laws. Words such as expect, anticipate, intend, plan, likely, goal, seek, believe and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions, which are difficult to predict. Therefore, actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed on this call. Ingles Markets Inc. does not undertake and declines any obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. For a description of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from that anticipated by forward-looking statements, you are referred to the company's public filings, including the Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended September 24, 2011. In accordance with the long-standing company policy and in recognition of the extremely competitive nature of our industry, this call will not address individual competitors or Ingles' marketing strategies other than what is included in the company's public filings. This morning, I'll provide you with a summary of our second quarter and 6 months results, followed by additional comments. After that, we will be pleased to take your questions. Our press release was issued this morning and is available on our website at www.ingles-markets.com. We expect to file our 10-Q for the quarter later this week. It will be available via our website as well. We'll begin with our second quarter results. Net income for the second quarter of fiscal 2012 totaled $6.5 million…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Emily Shanks, Barclays.

Jonathan Kahnowitz

Analyst

This is actually Jon Kahnowitz filling in for Emily. I just wanted to ask on your CapEx plan. It looks like you're now looking for CapEx a little bit towards the higher end of the range previously laid out. Can you give us a sense of what areas account for that increase, if that's more maintenance or if that's more toward the distribution centers?

Robert Ingle

Analyst

It's both, actually. We have expanded some of the things we're going to have in our distribution center from the original plans, and we are continuing with our store interior improvement program.

Jonathan Kahnowitz

Analyst

Okay, perfect. And then my last question is on the gross margins, looking to the back half, it seems like the comparisons maybe get a little bit easier. Is there anything else we should be thinking about in terms of the gross margin, or you think we might start to see a little bit of moderation in the gross margins?

Ron Freeman

Management

Well, don't think we'll see quite the volatility that we've seen. Inflation seems to be kind of easing off a little bit but we're still getting hit in some areas. So I'd really hesitate to make that kind of projection at this point. Yes, and gas, of course, who knows?

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Damian Witkowski, Gabelli & Company.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Ron, inflation, however you define it, whether cost inflation or what you're passing on, what was it running in the quarter?

Ron Freeman

Management

Let's see here. I'm going to have to flip to the page [indiscernible] you for that. We're showing for food and beverages, it was 1.3% for the 3 months ended March and 3.3% for the 12 months ended in March. So from that measurement, we had a little bit lighter quarter compared to the last 12 months.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

And this is your cost?

Ron Freeman

Management

No, these are the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay, because I'm trying to look at your basket size and the transactions continue to be positive, but the average size, obviously, declined. And considering the inflation that I think you have in the industry, I'm just trying to figure out what the consumer is doing. Are they simply trading down or buying fewer units?

Robert Ingle

Analyst

Well, I think you've got to recall that the quarter that we just finished was unusual in a lot of respects. And I think that affected not only overall sales due to the mild weather, but it certainly has some effect on transaction size and basket size, excluding gasoline. Now if you look at the 6 months, we're positive on sales, transaction count and basket. So again, this past 3 months was pretty unusual for us.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay. So you don't feel like there's a change in consumer behavior, and the second quarter is more of a trend versus looking at the -- maybe the first half of the year.

Ron Freeman

Management

I'm sorry, say that again, please?

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

So you don't feel like there's a change in consumer behavior in the last quarter, meaning that gas prices went up, are -- you don't think it's that they're simply shopping less. It's more to do with weather and having a lot less snow that affected the basket size.

Ron Freeman

Management

Yes. And again, just -- but there is certainly an effect that when gas prices go up, there's a little bit less money to be spent inside the store.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

And then Ron, on gasoline, did you -- I know you -- obviously, gross margin is lower because you have a higher price and you work towards pennies earned per gallon. But was the actual pennies earned per gallon lower than a year ago?

Ron Freeman

Management

Yes, it was.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay. And is that -- you don't actually say how much you earn per gallon, right?

Ron Freeman

Management

That's correct, we don't.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay. But is it a significant -- I mean, it's obviously a response to what you're seeing locally on a competitive level.

Ron Freeman

Management

Well, again, that was one of the factors that we mentioned in our overall gross profit being down. We got less of a contribution from gasoline the March quarter this year versus the March quarter of last year, primarily because prices were a lot higher.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

And then if I look at your operating and administrative expenses -- obviously well controlled here in the second quarter, but if I look at the remainder of the year, is second quarter more of the run rate or should I look at both first and second quarter?

Ron Freeman

Management

I would look at both first and second quarter, but keep in mind that when the distribution center opens, especially in its early months, that's going to have a pretty big impact during that ramp-up time.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay, so if you look at the DC, how long do you think before you realize the full savings from it? I mean, is the ramp-up stage about 3, 6 months, or how long do you think it'll be?

Ron Freeman

Management

Easily 6. I mean, we won't even be distributing all the products and having all the functions in the warehouse until towards the end of the calendar year.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay. And then just lastly, capitalized interest expense in the quarter, do you have the number?

Ron Freeman

Management

I do not have that number in front of me, but again, we are capitalizing interest on the bonds. They're $99.7 million in principal, and the interest rate is a little less, somewhere around 2.25%.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Bryan Hunt, Wells Fargo Securities.

Kevin McClure

Analyst

Ron, this is Kevin McClure standing in for Bryan. Following on Damian's question, can you quantify for us the financial benefits of this DC in terms of what it would do for your supply chain and when you expect the payback to be realized?

Ron Freeman

Management

Well, we haven't talked about precise numbers of payback and contribution ever since we announced the plans to build a distribution center. So it wouldn't really be appropriate for us to do it now. But suffice it to say, it is a long-term asset. And there are benefits from a number of different areas that are going to accrue to the company as a result of opening this distribution center. But beyond that, we really haven't publicly disclosed our expectations on a payback period.

Kevin McClure

Analyst

Fair enough, okay. And shifting to the stores that you plan to open in 2013, are you willing to give us a number or a range for modeling purposes?

Ron Freeman

Management

Well, we've got a couple in progress right now, and we really need to get a little bit further into the year to know what the timeframe's going to be there. So we'd generally stick to the current fiscal year at hand and then when we'll do the Q -- the K this fall, we'll talk about our plans for 2013.

Kevin McClure

Analyst

Okay, great. And then lastly for us, it sounds like you've made progress on the remodeling front. How many stores are you planning to remodel or have you remodeled? And what's the average cost that you're spending in the stores?

Ron Freeman

Management

Kevin, there's not an average cost because what's done in any particular store could be a good bit different based on the age of the store, the size of the store, its current market condition. So there's not a cookie-cutter plan that we execute in every remodel. But we will have easily, by the time we finish this process, have easily touched dozens of stores.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our next question from Jason DeRise with UBS.

Jason DeRise

Analyst · UBS

So just wanted to see if you had any comments about the competitive environment in the quarter, if you're seeing price actions from both traditional and nontraditional investors? And then apologies if I missed this, but did you quantify the weather impact in terms of basis points?

Ron Freeman

Management

I'll answer the second one first. We can't exactly quantify the weather impact. And again, recall that we're here in the Southeast, so it's going to be a little bit different than it's going to be in some of the colder areas of the country. But if you look at January of 2011, we had a significant snow event at least 3 times during the month, with kids out of school for multiple days. So with just a normal bad weather stocking up yet, you've got kids eating at home rather than having one or 2 meals at school. And it was a good bump for us. And we had absolutely no bad weather. I think maybe the kids here in Asheville missed one day, maybe half a day for school. It makes an impact. And as far as your first question, as we said right at the call, we don't comment on the activities of our competitors. We try to pay attention to our own business and doing well what we do well.

Jason DeRise

Analyst · UBS

Could you comment on how you performed in terms of your market share, how you track it in the quarter?

Ron Freeman

Management

I don't really see those numbers, so I can't comment on it.

Jason DeRise

Analyst · UBS

And maybe just one last chance. Is the weather impact, do you think, if you had to guess, it's above 100 basis points or below?

Ron Freeman

Management

I can't quantify that for you, sorry.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And Mr. Freeman, there are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the conference back over to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Ron Freeman

Management

All right. Well, thank you very much, and we appreciate everyone who joined the call today. And again, we will file our 10-Q later on this week, and we look forward to speaking with you again in about 3 months. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's presentation. Thank you for your participation.