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Icahn Enterprises L.P. (IEP)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 6, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. And welcome to the Icahn Enterprises L.P. Q3 2015 Earnings Call with Jesse Lynn, General Counsel; Keith Cozza, President and CEO; and SungHwan Cho, Chief Financial Officer. I would now like to handover the call to Jesse Lynn, who will read the opening statement.

Jesse Lynn

Management

Thank you. The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 provides a Safe Harbor for forward-looking statements we make in this presentation, including statements regarding our future performance and plans for our businesses and potential acquisitions. These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that are discussed in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including economic, competitive, legal and other factors. Accordingly, there is no assurance that our expectations will be realized. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements should circumstances change, except as otherwise required by law. This presentation also includes certain non-GAAP financial measures. I will now turn the call over to Keith Cozza, our Chief Executive Officer.

Keith Cozza

Management

Thanks, Jesse. Good morning. And welcome to the third quarter 2015 Icahn Enterprises earnings conference call. Joining me on today’s call is SungHwan Cho, our Chief Financial Officer. I would like to begin by providing some brief highlights. Sung will then provide an in-depth review of our financial results and the performance of our business segments. We will then be available to address your questions. Net loss attributable to Icahn Enterprises for Q3 2015 was $440 million or $3.40 per LP unit, compared to a net loss of $355 million or $2.90 per LP unit in the prior year period. Adjusted EBITDA attributable to Icahn Enterprises for Q3 2015 was a loss of $32 million, compared to a loss of $2 million in Q3 of 2014. Our investment fund had a negative return of 10.3% in the third quarter of 2015, compared to negative 5.3% in the prior year period, Q3 performance was negatively impacted by losses from some of our long equity positions with significant exposure to the commodity sector. Year-to-date through September 30, 2015, the funds had a negative return of 2.8%. In our Energy segment, CVR’s petroleum subsidiary had another solid quarter. The petroleum business benefited from favorable product margins and had combined refinery crude throughput of over 200,000 barrels per day. The Fertilizer business results were affected by lost production associated with the scheduled plant turnaround, as well as downtime due to several outages caused by third-party equipment failures. In Q3 the Fertilizer business announced an agreement to acquire Rentech Nitrogen Partners. The acquisition will create an expanded MLP with a leading position in the U.S. nitrogen fertilizer industry, a more diverse production base, enhanced margins through cost savings of the combined entities and is expected to be accretive to distributable cash flow per share. In our Automotive segment, Federal-Mogul reported sales of $1.8 billion, an increase of 7% in constant dollar terms. This increase was due to sales generated by the engine valve business acquired from TRW earlier this year. Federal-Mogul continues to make progress integrating the significant acquisitions made over the last couple of years consisting of TRW’s engine valve, Honeywell’s brake and Affinia’s chassis businesses. This was the first full quarter of sales from IEH Auto, which was acquired by IEP in the second quarter of this year. Third quarter net sales were approximately $189 million. Our Railcar segment had strong margins for railcar manufacturing and railcar service operations in Q3 and we continued to build our lease fleet with over 44,000 railcars at quarter end. In our gaming segment, Tropicana had another solid quarter, with improved operational performance at a majority of the properties. Tropicana Atlantic City experienced higher gaming volumes, as it has benefited from significant capital investments made at the property, in an addition to the closure of certain competitors. With that, let me turn it over to Sung.

SungHwan Cho

Management

Thanks, Keith. I will begin by briefly reviewing our consolidated results for Q3 2015 and then highlight the performance of our operating segments and comment on the strength of our balance sheet. Net loss attributable to Icahn Enterprises for Q3 2015 was $440 million or $3.48 per LP unit compared to a net loss of $355 million or $2.90 per LP unit in the prior year period. Adjusted EBITDA attributable to Icahn Enterprises for Q3 2015 was a loss of $32 million compared to a loss of $2 million in Q3 2014. As you can see on slide five, most of the decrease in EBITDA net income from the prior year is tied to the performance of the investment segment. I will now provide more detail regarding the performance of the individual segments. Our Investment segment had a loss attributable to Icahn Enterprises of $479 million in Q3 2015. The Investment funds had a return of negative of 10.3% in Q3 2015 compared to a return of negative 5.3% for Q3 2014. Long positions had a negative 24.5% return for the current quarter while short positions and other expenses had a positive performance attribution of 14.2%. Since inception in November 2004 through the end of Q3 2015, the Investment fund’s gross return is 221% or 11% annualized. The Investment funds continue to be significantly hedged. At the end of Q3 2015, net short exposure was 26% compared to a net long exposure of 14% at the end of ‘14. IEP’s investment in the funds was $4.2 billion as of September 30, 2015. Now to the Energy segment. For Q3 2015, our Energy segment reported net sales of $1.4 billion and consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $236 million compared to net sales of $2.3 billion and consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $144 million…

Jesse Lynn

Management

Operator, can you please turn the call over to questions please?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Daniel Fannon of Jefferies. Your question please.

Daniel Fannon

Analyst

I would like to start with a question around the investment segments. I understand the positioning of the portfolio is net short at this point. Can you talk about previous periods where you have gone net short and the length of time that you have generally stayed there, or any other color around that as well please?

SungHwan Cho

Management

Sure. Hey, Dan. I would say at net negative 26%, this is on the shorter side, but it reflects the, I would say our views on the macro environment in general on a number of different fronts from high yield debt and credit kind of that we are in a credit bubble, potential impact of interest rate rises and the fact that we just don’t really see a tremendous amount of growth in earnings, we see a lot of kind of manufactured earnings in some of the more popular or broader S&P 500. And so the portfolios positioned to take advantage of I think trade -- with the market trading down. Compared to historically, this is a little bit more short than we probably have been but there have been some periods, whether it be inter quarter or at quarter end where we have been net short and I think, we adjust -- we tend to adjust based on the facts and circumstances and changes in our outlook on the macro environment.

Daniel Fannon

Analyst

That helpful. And then related to that, are you able to provide any color on given that the markets are rebounded very strongly here in 4Q, where the portfolios stands or any update there, in terms of performance?

Keith Cozza

Management

Yeah. We’re not going to do inter quarter updates on performance, that goes with the lawyers so.

Daniel Fannon

Analyst

Yeah. I know that. Fair enough. I was just checking giving the short reversal in settlement between 3Q and 4Q? I guess, my next question is just kind of around the larger portfolio in general. So that the non-market value companies once where you basically hold 100% of the stake, that portfolio continues to grow, how should we think about that longer-term? I mean is it in terms of the exit strategies there, is there potentially a better use of the capital where maybe some of the stories there are longer term in terms of the turnarounds looks better than like get rid of them now and allocate that capital elsewhere or how should we be thinking about that?

Keith Cozza

Management

I think the right way to -- I would referred -- historically the way we think about it and I think we’ve said this, we’ve been pretty consistent about this is, where potentially buyers and/or sellers in any particular one of our segments, right. The way we manage the business -- we manage the businesses on an ongoing basis with the assumption that we could potentially own it forever and we want to increase value, right. So we take actions and hope management accountable for increasing value of ours portfolio companies over the long-term. But at some point, markets get hot, multiples get high and you can look over the last 10 or 15 years, we’ve sold casinos at large profits. We’ve sold oil and gas properties at large profits over the years and when things get cheap we tend to be buyer. So you saw some things that we obviously think are cheap and you saw some new tuck-in acquisitions and mining and our purchase of IEH Auto earlier in the year that we think are on the cheaper side and we’re going to work to grow and create value there. But it really just depends. What we’re focused on though in the short-term is making each portfolio company, making the property investment and that could be acquisitions as well to ultimately increase the long-term value. But it wouldn’t surprise me if you looked at it five years from now. You’d see bunch of activity of segments may not be there and you probably see a few new segments.

Daniel Fannon

Analyst

Thank you and that’s helpful. And then maybe other question, you guys continue to maintain a healthy dividend yield. How should we be thinking about that maybe a little bit longer term in terms of is it primarily driven by kind of what’s going on in your high cash flow businesses, I mean, like the Energy business and stuff, because the $50 per quarter, well, its provides a fantastic yield, it’s been stable now for almost two years now?

Keith Cozza

Management

Yeah. I think the way we -- so I’d say two things, we listen to our investors and they’ve made it crystal clear that dividends important for them and that we’ve made a concerted effort over the past, I think, we originally really started increase in the dividend about three years ago to maintain that dividend and grow it overtime. However, in this market environment, so we certainly maintain that dividend as far as and our hope is to grow it overtime. So but that’s going to be a correlation of performance on the underlying businesses and it’s particularly the Investments segment, which is going to drive a lot of the liquidity in the overall portfolio. But as far sustainability, we think it’s very sustainable. We have significant cash outflows from a number of portfolio companies such as CVR Energy, ARI and our Real Estate segment and so the dividend is important and we hope to grow it, which will be performance based.

Daniel Fannon

Analyst

Thank you. That’s it for me.

Keith Cozza

Management

Thanks Dan.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from Jon Preizler of RH Capital. Your question please?

Jon Preizler

Analyst

I just wanted to understand where you’re going to commit? What platforms do you think will attract the most capital for you guys? I know you’ve been putting money into Automotive and Energy. Are those two most likely candidates in the future or is there another existing segment or you could see that expanding materially?

Keith Cozza

Management

I would -- well, I would say that the first comment I would make is that we do endeavor to maintain each operating portfolio with its own standalone capital structure. And whether it’d be access to the capital markets through debt, bond, bank offerings that type of stuff. So each company we do endeavor to have their own capital structure but as far as -- we obviously have a lot of capital at the parent level. And if for some reason they needed more capital for the right opportunity, I think we’d be willing to commit it. I would tell you that we honestly are looking at -- I mean, we’re looking at potential acquisition in four or five different segments because we think they can create value in long term. And so I don’t think right now we’re in a position where I suppose it’s an embarrassment of riches in the sense that we don’t -- we have enough capital to support all the segments. And we haven’t been pushed to make the decision of this opportunity or that opportunity, if they’re both very compelling highly double-digit return profiles. We’ve been lucky enough to be able to do both. So I think we -- we are very active in a number of the segments. So I don’t think it’s hard for me to say which one will ultimately lead to the most capital allocated to it.

Jon Preizler

Analyst

And those acquisitions that you are looking at, would those be more bolt-on or materially larger?

Keith Cozza

Management

I mean, it’s a little bit of a hybrid. The acquisitions we’re looking at are all bolt-on with respect to various segments that we are already in. But some of them could be material bolt-ons, if that makes sense.

Jon Preizler

Analyst

Sure. Also, could you -- quarter over quarter Q3 versus Q2, did you guys increase the short exposure in the -- I think you have the notional or the S&P and the credit default swaps?

Keith Cozza

Management

Yes. We increased our net short position quarter-over-quarter.

Jon Preizler

Analyst

That’s all I have. Thank you.

Keith Cozza

Management

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] I currently have no more questions in queue.

Keith Cozza

Management

Okay. Thanks everybody. We’ll be talking to you early next year for the full year results.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect. Good day