Warren Gardiner
Analyst · Jefferies.
Sure. Thanks for the question, Dan. So in terms of the third quarter, which I think is what you're referring to, yes, we were a little bit lower by a few million dollars. There were 3 real reasons for that. So first, -- and we mentioned this a little bit last quarter, was there was the roll off of -- the typical roll-off of inactive loans on MSP. That came in a little bit higher than we anticipated. But that said, active loans on MSP ticked higher for the first time in a few quarters, too. So there was a positive there on that front. And the second component of that too is, and you heard us talk a little bit this last couple of quarters, we did have some customers renew at slightly lower minimums than we had expected. But overall, we do continue to see the discount to prior minimums narrowing versus last year, and the percent of loans above the minimums are improving, which is helping our transaction fees. And then third, we did have some implementations in the fourth and the first quarter of next year, just really all based on customer needs. But as Ben noted, we just noted we had the best quarter of the year for sales across the platform. Not all of those, of course, hit in the current quarter and the fourth quarter, but certainly a good forward-looking indicator for the business as you think about next year. So all that together is nothing terribly significant on a stand-alone basis but did out to a couple of revenues coming a bit lighter. And that sort of impacts the fourth quarter from a run rate standpoint and also some of the implementations, too, that I noted have an impact on the fourth quarter as well. And then, of course, as you mentioned, Flagstar, that will roll off in the fourth quarter, which has an impact, but we had mentioned that before. In terms of PennyMac, I think the way to think about that is it's probably about 0.5 point of growth, but that won't be an impact for us until 2028. And to be clear, it's a 0.5 point on recurring revenue that, that would have an impact on. But -- and again, not until 2028, would we expect to see that.