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ImmuCell Corporation (ICCC)

Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 14, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to ImmuCell Corporation Reports Third Quarter September 30, 2024, Unaudited Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Joe Diaz of Lytham Partners. Please go ahead.

Joe Diaz

Management

Thank you, Wyatt, and good morning and welcome to everybody on today's call. As the conference call operator indicated, my name is Joe Diaz with Lytham Partners. We're the Investor Relations consulting firm for ImmuCell. I thank all of you for joining us today to discuss the unaudited financial results for the quarter ended September 30, 2024. Listeners are reminded and cautioned that statements made by management during the course of this call include forward-looking statements, which include any statements that refer to future events or expected future results or predictions about the steps the company plans to take in the future. These statements are not guarantees of performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results, outcomes or events to differ materially from those discussed today. Additional information regarding forward-looking statements and the risks and uncertainties that could impact future results, outcomes or events is available under the cautionary note regarding forward-looking statements or the safe harbor statement provided with the press release and the Form 10-K that the company filed last night, along with the company's other periodic filings with the SEC. Information discussed on today's call speaks only as of today, Thursday, November 14, 2024. The company undertakes no obligation to update any information discussed on today's call. Please note that references to certain non-GAAP financial measures may be made during today's call. The company included definitions of these terms as well as reconciliations of these figures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures in last night's press release in order to better assist you in understanding its financial performance. With that said, let me turn the call over to Michael Brigham, President and CEO of ImmuCell Corporation, after which we will open the call for your questions. Michael?

Michael Brigham

Management

All right. Thanks, Joe, and good morning, everyone. I'm excited and I say that for a few reasons. First, I say that because someone told me that my voice does not always demonstrate that. Please judge my -- judge me by my words and our disclosures. I'm excited to have a really difficult period largely behind us. Best evidence of that is that we have not had another contamination in our production process since the first half of April of 2024. We have a great opportunity to increase 2024 sales over both 2023 and 2022. We can see the potential of achieving FDA approval of Re-Tain around the corner after all these years of investment and we are here to find out what the market thinks of our new novel product. We are fortunate to be experiencing strong customer demand for the First Defense product line, but the significant investments in facilities, equipment and staffing necessary to double our production capacity have been challenging. Despite delays in the installation of certain equipment, we completed these capacity expanding investments around the end of 2022. Around the same time as we began to operate at this higher output level, we began experiencing production contamination events that became more frequent during 2023 and continued into April of 2024. We have investigated these events thoroughly. We are optimizing raw material mix to maintain acceptable bile burden levels while also maximizing yields. We also believe that some of the contamination was caused by equipment and processes that were not adequately optimized to run at a higher level of production output. These new remediation steps implemented during April of 2024 in response to the most recent contamination events appear to be very successful so far because, as I said, we have run without contamination since then…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Joe Diaz

Management

Michael, this is Joe Diaz. I did have a question while the queue start filling up. With regards to First Defense, the business has been strong. What do you attribute that to?

Michael Brigham

Management

The product works. I mean efficacy rules. I mean we just have great customer demand for this product. We're competing very effectively against alternative technologies, primarily vaccines, vaccines that are either given to the mother to try and I'll say, somewhat unsuccessfully improve her production of antibodies in the feed is given to the newborn. We compete extremely effectively against the vaccine that is given directly to the newborn calf with its naive immune system and I would say limited ability to respond to that vaccine. So just great work by a sales team with a product that is pretty well known for its efficacy and providing that value to the customer to keep those newborns healthy. But thanks, Joe. Good question.

Joe Diaz

Management

Leveraging off of that, how do you see the backlog working out here over the next three to four quarters?

Michael Brigham

Management

Well, I would say this, Joe, if the customer demand weren't so strong, it would have worked itself down quite a bit more by now. So I always say backlog is a problem but it's a good problem, especially compared to the alternative of having product on the shelf with expiry dating issues. But -- so the more direct answer to your question is we will just have to see because it obviously depends on the volume of incoming orders. But with this new production level that we -- the output level we've reached, we're making progress on that every day. And it's a matter of months, not -- certainly not a year. But we're getting into peak season here. So it's a little extra challenge to clear the backlog right now because this first quarter here, December-ish into March, April is the highest demand for us. So we'll just keep working at it and you'll see quarterly how we work that down to 0.

Joe Diaz

Management

All right. Thank you. I will get out of the queue. Wyatt?

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from George Melas with MKH Management.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management.

My question about the gross margin and I appreciate all the detail you put in the Q to try to help us understand it. If I go back to certainly late '21, early '22, when you had similar revenue levels, in two quarters, December '21, March '22, revenue was $5.4 million and $6 million, which is exactly what you had in the last few quarters. The cost of goods sold was significantly lower. I think probably it was $2.9 million and now it's on average, the last few quarters is $4.3 million. So the delta is like $1.4 million of added costs. And I think we talked a little bit about inflation. We talked about yield issues. But is there a way you can help us understand a little bit better the increasing the cost of goods sold? And do you have more batches going through the process with lower yields? But I guess on the cost of goods sold, you probably can have pretty good granularity about every aspect of that cost. So maybe help us understand that, if you could.

Michael Brigham

Management

Yes. Certainly, an important question, George. I think you almost asked it and in part at least answered it but I'll repeat. And thank you, I do use the Q to try and get into some of this detail because I think -- I know it's important. I know you and others are curious. I know we are curious and concerned. It's critical. We spent the better part of basically '23 so laser focused on contamination. That was just such a critical event. It'd be nice to report to you, we fixed the contamination and we're right back to our old gross margin. Well, I can't. But I do think you talked on the -- touched on the key factors or variables. Yes, I think if I remember, you were comparing sort of '23-'24 to '21-'22, yes, that is -- those are two different periods for a lot of reasons. But again, the first one in contamination, those costs are just written off as we go. When we were losing those batches, that was -- there was, I guess, expensive write-offs of scrapped inventory that certainly weren't in our gross margin budget. But you also touched on yield, and I think that's right. Coming out of this period of contamination, it would be nice if we could just say we jumped right into the higher output level and have the same yields, but we don't. So there's a lot of work we're doing on yield. It's a very tricky biological process. Little things make a big difference. I feel like we are addressing a lot of factors that are going to positively impact the yield going forward. But that's the key -- I think that's the number one key goal or initiative going forward is -- yes, you said yes,…

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management.

So that means that essentially if you compare to a period of time roughly two years ago or two, three years ago, when you had similar revenue levels, now you have more batches. So that is one of the factors in the high cost?

Michael Brigham

Management

Yes, more batches, but also -- more batches total to increase the output but more batches per dose to get the Tri-Shield, 2:1. So that's definitely a factor. Yes, I think -- yes. And I think -- I mean we even had some 50% margin back in the days when we had a bolus or capsule business of about $10 million in sales. That's -- it's the same company, but it's a different business when we started doubling that over to $20 million plus adding in the Tri-Shield. It's a very different look. It's a very different look for the staff, for the equipment, for the facilities. And we've got to work it in -- as I said in the Q, I don't expect to get back to 50%. It's a different business, but we're growing the sales and growing the gross margin dollar even at that lower 35%, 40% level – target.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management.

Yes. Quick question on the P&L. Some of the costs were down, especially product development but you explained that. Sales and marketing was down a little bit as well. Is there a way to explain that?

Michael Brigham

Management

It's a big ask. We're asking the sales team to do two things; grow sales and save money. So it's a balance. But the team is consistent as far as headcount, so no increase, no decrease. We've managed programs that we'd like to spend and fund the ones we have to spend. Because when you're in that cash crunch, when you're in that contamination period, we look at all levers to reduce cost. So yes, it's that simple. We -- there are some selling expenses that our VP of Sales, Bobbi Brockmann has done a great job of managing and controlling and reducing, at the same time, not cutting anything critical to fuel that growth. So good expense management by the sales team. And yes, the product development is kind of very different now. All the inventory we want -- need for this control launch has been produced. We simply don't need to produce more inventory so we can reduce costs, but we can't have chosen not to eliminate those costs because we want to stand ready for an FDA inspection in a plant that we call aggressive idle. So it's ready to be brought into -- back into service. It's not mothballed, but it's not actively producing inventory, and that is simply to save some money.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management.

Okay. Great. And then power question you also discussed and I appreciate that very much, the increase in the debt. But then you have section, where you talk about a possibility of having a spray product that would actually reduce that -- I think that it's lower cost, it's slightly different product and it would be a way to absorb the [WIP]. Can you talk about that just a little bit more?

Michael Brigham

Management

Yes. It's a really interesting upside for us. We haven't realized it yet. It's in development. We have processed some material. We like the look of it, the initial batches. And going into '25, we're going to get that to market and see if that is a less expensive but different format way to use up some of that [WIP] that you're talking about. I mean the inventory of hyper-immunized raw colostrum, frozen raw colostrum. So it simply is different. We spend a lot of time and thereby money to get a lot of antibodies into a capsule or two. This is a pretty different approach with the same overall objective of our antibodies are very effective at preventing newborn calf disease. So rather than focus on concentration, this is going to be more of a bulk product. It would be more for a different customer, a large calf ranch, say, that's mixing bags of feed rather than a capsule of First Defense or two of First Defense. So I'm kind of excited about it, but it's unproven. But we're trying to be creative and just find new customers and new sources of revenue.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management.

I see. So it’s a spray that you spray on the feed rather than give it separately to the.

Michael Brigham

Management

Well, no, George, the spray refers to the production process. So you got your liquid colostrum. You either run it through the cheese and all the filtration process for the concentrate, those antibodies to a small dose and then we lyophilize it. That's freeze-drying it. This new -- potentially new format would be skipping all those process steps, taking the raw colostrum and spray drying it. And so it's a powder that will be added to a batch of milk to be fed to calves. So the spray refers to the one of the key production steps. The application would look like a capsule, only it takes a lot more capsules because we haven't concentrated down to that 4 gram level for the current First Defense capsule. It'd be the -- a bulk feed powder.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management.

Got it. Okay. Interesting. And then on Re-Tain, any possible update on your contract manufacturer and then getting through that inspection process?

Michael Brigham

Management

Yes. The best update is that I don't have an update. And what I mean by that is it hasn't been delayed and it hasn't been accelerated. We are confident that they are working very diligently towards resolving these answers and we'll have their -- they've made progress submissions along the way. But the final-final is still on schedule for December and that's been consistent that -- as I said, hasn't moved forward, hasn't pushed back. The issue is what does the FDA do with that submission. Because as soon as that submission is cleared, we can get through what I said was the non-complex response on our side on the -- what's called the CMC or the manufacturing Technical Section.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the next question comes from [Jane Lindenman] as a private investor.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Michael, it's Bruce. Congratulations on getting all that stuff behind you.

Michael Brigham

Management

A little bit of progress. Thank you.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

We're just curious, about how many shares were sold? And are you going to continue -- do you need to continue the ATM?

Michael Brigham

Management

Yes, that's fair. So for the specific or the detail, I would refer you over to the Q. I've got a subsequent event note in there and I've got a detailed description of the specific shares and -- shares issued. But at a high level shoot, I wish I had my notes right in front of me.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I'm just looking for an approximate number.

Michael Brigham

Management

Yes. I think we went from like -- it was like 1.1 million. We went from 7.7 million to 8.8 million shares outstanding.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Is that -- do you think you're finished for now?

Michael Brigham

Management

With this ATM, what we do is -- and this is across the board with all public company ATMs is the specific disclosure is historical and quarterly as to what happened and we leave a little flexibility into what will happen as far as Board discretion. But at the cash levels that I mentioned to you, take me off the sort of the super-hyper-concern level to, yes, we can work with this. And then -- because the answer really -- the future really depends on what are our capital needs, what do we need to spend money on and also as far as price. So at a higher price, you could raise some money and do some big things at a lower dilution. So I'm a little vague on the future but the Q is very specific on the year-to-date.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. I was just curious because it seemed like you got the cash balance to a decent level so that it's different to sell stock at [3.5 or 4] as opposed to higher levels.

Michael Brigham

Management

Exactly. That's true. And you can see that just if you compare the nine month numbers to the subsequent event, it very significantly sort of lowered the big volume, was back in the third quarter.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. Well, good luck. We're looking forward to the launch.

Michael Brigham

Management

Great. Appreciate you, Bruce and Jane, for your patient following.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Long over 20 years.

Michael Brigham

Management

Is it 20?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Before Pfizer, right? Was it before Pfizer?

Michael Brigham

Management

My goodness. Isn't that amazing? Time flies. Wow, thanks for reminding me of that. Holy cow.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Michael.

Michael Brigham

Management

Be well. Thank you, Bruce.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Joe Diaz for any closing remarks.

Joe Diaz

Management

Thank you, Wyatt, and thanks to all of you participating in today's call. We look forward to talking with you again to review the results for the year ending December 31, 2024, during the week of February 24, 2025. Thank you and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.