Tom Isett
Analyst · Cantor. Your line is open
Sure, Mr. Barnett, and I'll say first. I mean, in terms of transparency. The premise there I, I would dare say I think we've been quite transparent. A lot of our peer groups, in fact, don't even have conference calls. We've put out frequent updates and I think versus many of our, many of our peers, we certainly attend to be quite transparent. So that that being said, with regards to stock options and compensation and some of the rest and also Bill [Ph] also mentioned with regards to transparency, when I came in with the company, we initiated our first conference call so iBio did not have those in the past. So we've certainly made the effort to be transparent forthright and when there's bad or and/or disappointing news to report like we have today, there's no doubt, we're extremely disappointed by how things played out with IBIO-202 and I'd like to talk about that a little bit more in a moment. And invite Martin to comment too. But as you've undoubtedly heard on previous calls, Martin has given updates each and every time on the portfolio, and we published around those in all of our documents. So that said, with regards to stock options, of course, that's incentive compensation for any executive in any company. And, we, we want to benefit from those. And if we're not adding value and driving things forward for our shareholders, well, then obviously, the stock price is affected. So everybody at iBio has been working very hard to transform the company, you're probably aware of its status back in 2019. And our efforts to move it forward and create a vibrant growing business, and bringing real value to shareholders, patients, and the rest is, is our focus. So we, we took an organization that was a, had a CMO business that did not generate much in the way of revenues, and made this attempt to go ahead and transform it, and move it forward. And with that, we started a couple of programs, we didn't have anything advanced in the clinic. So we decided to use some of the organization's capacity and capability to begin producing our own pipeline of products. And so or therapeutic candidates, I guess, I should say. So as those opportunities came forward, we invested behind them. In the case of just come back to the 202 to round out the response to your final question. We'll note that we had put ourselves in position to get in front of the FDA filed the pre-[Indiscernible]. We did somewhat unexpectedly; get feedback that require the challenge study back in January. And so if you'll recall, at that time, I suppose one could say, well, should the company invest it’s time, money and resources in a COVID vaccine when you had a couple of players out there already, in the form of a Moderna and Pfizer who were doing just fine, thank you. So I think a good case could have been made to say, well, why did we spend that money, it was a, it was a pretty daunting challenge. And the FDA was now requiring an extra step. And we had to try to move things forward with an animal model. That may not be ideal for what we wanted to do. But if you'll recall, that's a fair criticism. But if you'll recall, at that time, Omicron was raging, and it didn't look like and we still don't believe well, I'll speak for myself, I still don't believe that. It's the case that a spike, a frequently mutating spike vaccine is, is the greatest solution here. But nevertheless, our team was able to do, I think, really excellent work in a supply constrained environment. For contract research laboratories and some of the rest, we were able to quite quickly pull together a study that would allow us to test out our nucleo capsid antigen. And we thought that on its own, it can provide some of the protective effects. And quite honestly, in a primate or a human, it's possible that an N only vaccine could work. However, our data came back. And in the animal model in which we tested, we did not get the protective effect that we were looking for. So in as we signaled back in August, even if it had been excellent, if one takes a look at the requirements to go into the clinic, how the market is shaping up where the pandemic is, and the rest. Combined with the technical data that we got back, we needed to make a business decision on behalf of our shareholders in the company. And we're certainly very disappointed because we did see a nice opportunity, prospectively with government funding. There was a call, in fact for plant based vaccine manufacturers too. So I don't want to go on too long in response to your question, there was a lot in there, but just wanted to make the point that you we're making both business and technical decisions on behalf of our shareholders and unfortunately, sometimes the biology doesn't work out. And we have to make a tough call, which is what we did with 202. So I hope that addresses some of the points in your question and thanks for it.