John Plant
Analyst · Bank of America
Okay. IGT is a big subject at the moment, a big subject for us for sure and trying to, I'm going to say, feel our way through to the right outcome for the company. It's clearly an opportunity to deploy capital for increased organic growth. At the same time, we just want to make sure that we're not getting ahead of ourselves. And we do see a continuing bright future for it such that we don't end up with a period of overinvestment and over-capacitization because that would not be a good outcome for us. So what we've been doing is to truly understand as best we can the market dynamics of what the hyperscalers are really needing and paying close attention to build-out of data centers and just the underlying growth anyway, excluding AI, which is just a function of just fundamentally a huge increase in data and data storage required around the world. And then on top of that, the increased use and use cases for the application of artificial intelligence, which is you know there's a huge amount of money, maybe $700 billion being invested this year. I am trying to assess when all of that is required and what capacities will need to be brought online. And indeed, what are the alternatives for electricity production as we go through the next few years. Our assessment is that natural gas is fundamental to that build-up because of the, I'll say, ability to have fast acting and to underpin any form of renewable energy and also as a baseload provision as well. So we're confident that for the next 3 years, 5 years that, that growth is clearly there. The tick up of investments by the hyperscalers. I mean you see numbers, let's say, going from maybe Microsoft saying they're going to go from $125 billion to $185 billion or then Google matches it, then Amazon talks about $200 billion. And so clearly, the amount of investment is enormous and probably still not yet reflected in the current demand pattern that we're seeing through our IGT customers. At the same time, for us, we have to consider what happens to 2030 through the balance of this decade into the following decade and having really detailed meetings with those large IGT customers of what turbines that they expect to make and that -- which they want to invest in new products compared to making more of the same, which is a very live topic at the moment. And indeed, what their own capacities are and what the demand pattern looks like through, let's say, 2032, 2034, et cetera. And so -- and while we're evaluating all that, we're also looking at the smaller and midsized turbines, which are also required because sometimes data center installations cannot get electricity sufficiently from utilities or indeed from their own large-scale gas turbine availability. So banks of smaller and midsized turbines are required. And so evaluating all of that and then also the fact that it's probably likely that insufficient electricity production will be provided in the, let's say, the decade as we see it beyond 2030. So for major industrial complexes, we see stand-alone microgrids being required for, say, small- and medium-sized turbines. So again, a very healthy demand pattern. And everybody, basically the word of the -- I was going to say, month, quarter, you could call it year, the answer is more. And so we are trying to meet that demand, not necessarily trying to add everybody's demand together and say because everybody expecting all of it to result in those market shares but also to invest at a rate that makes sense to us and also underpin that with commercial agreements, again, which makes sense and trying to provide, I'll say, corridors of security for the Howmet investors. So there's a lot going on. You've seen the kickup in capital expenditures. I mean, if we were, I don't know, $450 million, plus or minus last year. We've talked about, I think, the last earnings call, a midpoint of $470 million, but trending towards the top end. We're seeing more like now this year, $500 million of CapEx, and those increases really do reflect the increased investments that we're making in the gas turbine market. And my current expectation is that 2027 is going to go higher. But at the same time, we're not spending this money and trashing our cash flow at all is that we have already guided to a higher CapEx and a higher cash flow number and still maintaining our long-term commitment to that 90% conversion of net income. So we're trying to do everything. And I think I maybe said something quite bold on the last call, which is we're trying to do it all. And at the moment, I say we do have the cash flows to largely do it all between maintaining really a great leverage position, increasing our CapEx and also meeting the -- some of the exciting parts of the market demand picture of which gas turbines is particularly active at the moment. And you heard me say on the call earlier in my remarks that we've now reached agreements with 6 of 7 major customers and -- with one more to go, which is a very significant customer to -- so hopefully complete during the balance of the second quarter. So it's interesting, exciting, but at the same time, we're not trying to get carried away and do something which would not put us in a good position. And we've been very clear on that in the discussions with our customers.