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Hut 8 Corp. (HUT)

Q2 2019 Earnings Call· Mon, Aug 19, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Hut 8 Mining Second Quarter Filing Conference call. My name is John and I will be your operator for today’s call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please note the conference is being recorded. And I will now turn the call over to Andrew Kiguel.

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Thank you very much and welcome everybody to the Hut 8 Q2 conference call. As per previous quarters, the call is being recorded and will be posted on our website as well joining me here is Jim Vaiopoulos, our CFO who will review the financials and then we will open it up to questions. For second quarter, just to get right into the highlights, we recorded record quarterly revenue of $28.3 million and adjusted EBITDA of $17.3 million. Remind that, the most Bitcon that we ever mined in the quarter at 2,816. Our net income for the quarter including the revaluation was $33.7 million which works out to $0.43 per share. That included a gain of $22.4 million under reassessment of our Bitcoin inventory as most people on the call would know part of our value proposition is to retain our Bitcoin inventory and for that quarter, we were able to benefit from the price of Bitcoin increasing throughout the quarter. We were also successful in decreasing our corporate overhead which reduced to $637,000 from $747,000 in Q1 to $994,000 in Q4 of 2018. As well, we are quite proud that we were able to reduce our various initiatives to reduce our cost per Bitcoin to $2,757 per Bitcoin as compared to $2,950 in Q1 and $395 in Q4 and Q2 and our working capital has also increased. So, just maybe with that, I will turn it over to Jimmy and I will make some closing remarks.

Jim Vaiopoulos

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew. This is Jim Vaiopoulos speaking CFO of Hut 8. Before continuing, I would like to remind you that all amounts in the financial statements and discussed on this call are in Canadian dollars unless stated otherwise. This is a record quarter for Hut 8 we ever expect, including revenue, subsequent mines, lowering of operating expenses and overhead, cost per Bitcoin, adjusted EBITDA and net income. This quarter started strong as the Bitcoin price began to significant rally on April 2, 2019 when Bitcoin increased by 18% in 1 day. Over the quarter, the Bitcoin price increased 160%, while the net worth difficulty rate increased by only 24%, allowing for an increased overall mining profit margin of 63% for the quarter. In the second quarter of 2019, Hut 8 mined 2,816 Bitcoin resulting in revenue of $28.3 million compared with the same period of the prior year of 786 Bitcoin mined with revenue of $7.8 million. The reason for the difference year-over-year was because Hut 8 increased the number of Block boxes under operation to 85 in Q2 2019 from 17 in Q2 2018. We continue to focus on the optimization of electricity allowing for the decrease in operating cost by 18% from $12.6 million in Q1 2019 to $10.4 million in Q2 2019. Hut 8’s cost per Bitcoin for Q2 2019 was $2,757, a 30% decrease from the prior quarter in Q1 2019 of $3,950. In a quarter where network difficulty increased by 24%, it was an achievement for Hut 8, but the cost per Bitcoin decreased by nearly $1,200. During this time of improved Bitcoin mining economics and increased margins, we stayed focused on maintaining our lean cost structure as the overhead expenses continued to decrease quarter-over-quarter steadily. Expenses, excluding non-cash compensation for Q2 2019 were $637,000 compared with $747,000 in Q1 2019 and $994,000 in Q4 2018. Our strategy of mining and holding Bitcoin have paid off as there was a $22.4 million gain on the re-measurement of Bitcoin holdings in Q2 2019. The gain from re-measurement in this quarter was larger than the losses related to these re-measurements in all of 2018 combined and was a result of the consistent strategy to retain the most amount of Bitcoin’s operations adjusted EBITDA was $17.3 million for Q2 2019 which nearly equals the adjusted EBITDA for the full 2018 year of $19.3 million overall in the second quarter net income was $33.7 million and earnings per share which was around $0.43 per share. The increase in Bitcoin price in Q2 2019 also strengthened the balance sheet Hut 8 as adjusted working capital as of June 30 2019 was $38.2 million a large increase from the march 31 2019 adjusted working capital deficit of $497,000 I will now pass the call back over to Andrew.

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Yes, so just some closing remarks again the strategy paid off for us in Q2 we continue to see that the strategy we think will continue to payoff in Q3 where we value the Bitcoin at the end of Q2 is roughly where it's trading today. The only key difference is that through Q2 the average price of Bitcoin was around $7300 through the quarter and it has been fairly consistently in the five figures so far in Q3 so, while the quarter is just a little bit over halfway down we would anticipate that revenues for Q3 would be higher as a result of that. And again depending on should see how it goes We continue to focus on the same strategy, which is we're the only one to mine Bitcoin we want to be the lowest cost produced out there and continue to strive for that of fact had we as I said in my quote had we sold off a bunch of our Bitcoin at the end of Q1 as a lot of people were suggesting we would have missed it on that game we continue to monitor it We view ourselves partially as managing that inventory we continue to monitor it and be strategic as to when we sell we trying to make sure even the financing fiat cost that we try and time when we're selling. And so far this quarter we have been very successful in doing that so despite where you might see the price of Bitcoin at every given moment generally we have been selling at higher prices and taking advantage of the peaks that we have been seeing my last comment just respect to correlation between Hut 8 price and the price of Bitcoin correlation is historical looking figure so, one…

Operator

Operator

Thank you we will now begin the question and answer session [Operator Instructions] and our first question is from Deepak Kaushal from GMP Securities

Deepak Kaushal

Analyst

Hey guys good morning. Thanks for taking my questions pretty straight forward quarter following your pre release earlier in the summer. Andrew you mentioned that you are strategic on when you sell your Bitcoin so by our math I kind of noticed your fiat cash balance is going to be increased in the quarter does that imply that you guys sold more Bitcoin when you needed to recover your costs and if so, what kind of rational behind that.

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

So, its never selling more when we need to cover our costs but like there was a period of time where the Bitcoin was trading well over $13000 so we can make the choice to say okay, do we sell some additional Bitcoin here to cover two months of fiat expenses or three months of fiat expenses so we know that that’s locked in provide additional safety what we think is a pretty good price relative to what some other companies do which is we just mine it and just sell it as soon as the mine it so you are not able to capitalize on that so would not say that we are mine we are selling more than when you do but is strategic to say we know what our costs are going to be over the next like four weeks, eight weeks, twelve weeks and so we are capitalizing our most higher prices to make sure that we have that we have that fiat on call so if the price of Bitcoin was to drop to $9500 as it did early last week last week we are not forced to sell I mean unfavorable environment in order to finance our fiat costs.

Deepak Kaushal

Analyst

Got it okay. That makes sense. So on that vein by my math roughly you guys sold forward between may be that’s not the best term but between 600 700 Bitcoin is that $5 million is that math correct or within the range or?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

I mean it sounds like it’s in the right range and one of the things we have done again you have to wait to see but we have subsequent to Q2 it is significantly what I would say is improved the balance sheet and so again we were able to take advantage of some of those peaks in order to continue to make the company stronger and so one other things that I would hope seeing in the next quarter is an improved cash balance improved balance sheet file less payables and overall since getting in here we want to keep the balance sheet as and as stable as possible and so we will continue to strive towards that.

Deepak Kaushal

Analyst

Okay speaking about the balance sheet in terms of debt I know that you have debt with Galaxy and Bitfury. And historically. it’s been tough to get financial services as a crypto currency company have you seen changed in that any options to find a lower debt cost at this stage?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Yes you know we are always talking to various providers in going out to seek if there is ways to refinance what we have better rates there is advantages and disadvantages to two pieces of debt that we have we are talking to people that we haven’t at this point seems something that is significantly more attractive so for example you can find better rates on the coupon but it comes with other strengths attached by a lot of third party vendor to hold all your Bitcoin and play around with it. We don’t deem that’s necessarily is being a good risk trade off because you are taking substantial counter party risk obviously we are always looking we are always in any stage of Hut 8 since inception we are always in discussions with various capital providers to see what is been done we haven’t issued any equity or done anything on that side since the company went public and that excuse me we haven’t seen anything attractive and so we will keep our cards in play.

Deepak Kaushal

Analyst

Okay that makes sense and it is helpful so excess Bitcoin selling only to pay forward some OpEx only to pay for it some OpEx and trying to maintain a strategic balance sheet still considering on debt side how do you expand your capacity your mining capacity from here? Are you kind of in a pause mode until capital market is a bit better?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

We are definitely not in a pause mode we are always in conversations so there is a few things that obviously can’t disclose material on public here on the call but I think given our current Bitcoin balance or current cash balance we would be in positions potentially to do incremental steps to increase capacity that could be done without jeopardizing our significant amount of our Bitcoin balance or balance sheet position.

Deepak Kaushal

Analyst

Okay great. I just have one last question great cost controls just from a forecasting perspective I guess the run rate of roughly 650 or quarter in cash OpEx is that something we can continue to expect going forward or is that there is some seasonality in there and then same on the non-cash side on the stock base cost side? What can we expect?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Yes I mean we still like I am guy who likes looking for apart from the big picture but I also like looking for nickels and dimes in the corners something that’s not reflected as we went in to the city medicine hat and we are able to renegotiate our land lease cost and decrease it by about 89% that’s something that will be show up it’s somewhat significant it can get about a $160,000 a year we continue to negotiate you know all of our contracts received it what we can do better we have recently moved into a new office and while we had very cheap break before even the been able to even lower that further and so we are always looking for ways to decrease but I don’t see that a mess there is something out of the ordinary I don’t see that our overhead would be increasing with respect to the mining operations we continue to find ways to optimize in the net better the one imponderable there is just the difficulty. And this is on difficulty this is on the call as difficulty goes up inherently that means that we are mining less Bitcoin and as a result our price per Bitcoin goes on because our costs are somewhat fixed so, we continue again to look at every single aspect of the operations and see where can we reasonably reduce our costs and continue to deliver value to shareholders.

Deepak Kaushal

Analyst

Okay great. Well thanks for taking my questions. I will pass the line.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Matt. Please go ahead. Matt your line is open for your question. Andrew our next question is from Dan Weiskopf.

Dan Weiskopf

Analyst

Hi Andrew Dan Weiskopf here. Good quarter. Thank you. So last quarter I think we touched on electric cost volatility may be my term is not exactly correct have you seen a lot of spikes in that area again it is an art to manage it so you make any comments on how you are managing the volatility in your cost in that area?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Sure so I would divide it into what I would say 3 different areas so about half of our electricity purchases are somewhat locked in and that’s due to 10 year agreement with the City of Medicine Hat and that's been very successful while it is not a 100% locked in at a price it is fairly predictable and our view very low cost on a not just on the Canadian basis but on a worldwide basis on the balance there is two areas so we would buy some additional electricity in the city of medicine hat we have been able to do some as I have mentioned before we always look at in terms of very large metrics the price of bitcoin versus the price of electricity and in some areas it makes sense for us to curtail our use of electricity and sell it back into the grid and so we finally can make money there in some situations where the price of bitcoin is been lower that the price of electricity spikes on the grid we are actually able to make more money in those instances than actually mining there is another piece of it which we call so this is very interesting again we continue to improve upon this and so far this year we have done a good job and we continue to improve but because what we are doing like Hut 8 is not running a hospital or a manufacturing intensive process we are able to shutdown our operations within two minutes and start them back up within two minutes. so we have found is without actually having to curtail so that without actually having to shut anything off the utility provider will actually pay us for the ability to potentially turn this off for a limited periods of time and so there is been periods throughout this summer where again we have not curtail it but they come to us and said we will compensate you or lower your price just for the potential ability to shut you down for a period of time completely at our choice but they will pay us for that and so the initiatives we done around managing our electricity prices have been very successful and continue to get better.

Dan Weiskopf

Analyst

Alright thank you and one another question and may I probably see this in the filings but it looks like you personally brought stock was that exercise or options or did you buy it in the open markets or are you awarded shares I'm seeing it on Bloomberg. I don’t know?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

That was part of my RCU package?

Dan Weiskopf

Analyst

Okay thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] and we do have a question again from Matt. Please go ahead. Matt your line maybe on mute.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello.

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Hi Matt just came through.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Can you hear me?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

We can.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay thank you so we just my question was around the Bitfury partnership where they have been able to give you some financing to do the expansion of the infrastructure do you have a flexibility and the right Bitcoin environment where you could pay off those types of loans n Bitcoin if you wanted to then expand down the road?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Yes. The loan agreement we have with Bitfury has no prepayment penalties no security a lot of flexibility it is a very attractive loan from our standpoint because that loan is so attractive I think we deal less incline to repay it but we absolutely have the ability to pay off the loan in Bitcoin as well as our monthly expenses in Bitcoin to Bitfury.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi and then just a follow up to that Do you foresee and again we don’t know with Bitfury do you see a potential where they would have a a nanometer shrinkage with their ASIC chip where say hypothetically 12 nm 10 nm is that something you envision that due to the presence of the network hash very difficulty going up over time with Bitcoin you proceeded that’s potential I mean I have no issue with what you guys have done you have done an excellent job with the operations but let’s say 6 months to 12 months down the road do you think Bitfury may potentially release a new die shrink of their ASIC if you can speak to that enough?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Yes so again we have various types of chips from Bitfury the purchase that we did was our most possible and our best performing piece of hardware I think if we were to do anything with them it would have to be at least at that level or better they are very large company they are continuingly looking for ways to make the chips more sophisticated and more efficient and absolutely if it’s a little bit of an interesting quandary which is we can invest money to upgrade the efficiency today by selling a whole bunch of Bitcoin potentially the appreciation on that but the existing equipment even our oldest equipment with our least efficient chips still showing very strong profit margins and so from our perspective I think if we were to look at doing something like this we would look to first to upgrade the oldest equipment although it is still profitable but we want to wait and see what happens with the haven coming up what happens with the price of Bitcoin but it would never be our intention to operate chipsets that are not efficient or not providing profit for shareholders.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So I think from my perspective because I looked at the sector from crypto start to lot of other ones in the space and you ever think that only real group that can pay some cost on Bitcoin and you are stacking set so I congratulate you guys on that I think more shareholders like myself are pretty happy with that and I guess my last, last question would be in Alberta do you guys still have allocation for power capacity that you could expand there with those partnerships and that will be it for me question thank you?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Yes so we are looking at a bunch of different potential sites for expansion we haven’t locked anything down I think if a lot of it depends on to build out a new site so I think in medicine hat currently there isn’t much room for expansion there they are in the process of building another turbine there that would add potentially allow us to expand by 42 megawatt and that will be contagious to what we are set up now but that’s probably 24 months away from being built or longer we are in discussion with various other potential sites in Alberta Quebec the United States so the question there is there any availability of capital that should be been limited in the past and what can we do something that is accretive to shareholders we don’t want to be in a position that lot of other people are in are in where you're just issuing a bunch of cheap equity and then having to suffer for that later on it is important for the management team to keep that the balance sheet or the capital structure somewhat cleaning I think from a warrant perspective and an options perspective we are extremely clean compared to lot of other small caps and other guys who are in this space.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from [indiscernible]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning guys great quarter I had a I want to see if you could comment on the any changes on the comparative landscape because the Blockstream stuff recently announced that they have a 300 megawatt capacity in Quebec and maybe you can comment on some changes in the industry?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Yes I saw the Blockstream stuff and they announced an affiliation with Fidelity. I I can’t seem to find any information as to whether or not they have raised any capital having access to I could put out a press release later this afternoon that says we have access to 300 megawatts we have sites and things already the issue is building out the sites requires a lot of capital we preferred to air on the side of being conservative and until we are able to actually finance and build the site announcing that we have availability of megawatts driven shouldn’t actually mean very much to people Blockstream seems like a credible company but again I haven’t other than they have access to this capacity in Quebec we speak to Quebec all the time and there is certainly potentially availability there comes down to what’s the price I think they announced that they have access to power at $0.06 I would say that’s about 30% 40% higher than what we are paying now and our electricity and until we sort of see announcement that they are able to raise capital order the equipment in the timeline is to when that is going to be build to me it’s just promotional rhetoric. But again, we keep an eye on them, we keep an eye on all the other publicly listed miners and some of the privately listed miners but there is good company’s so competition I do that as more as the difficulty because the competition is worldwide from a public market standpoint there is some good companies out there, there are some companies with challenges we are trying to focus on us making sure we run the operations as best as we can.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Doesn’t make sense for you guys to have your own maybe solar or wind hardware?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

We have looked at it solar is not very efficient the problem with wind and solar is you are never going to get a 100% up time and so solar we have not seen prices actually more competitive we have seen it is more expensive we have looked at when we are looking at a bunch of wind sites the issue is that you can get some very low cost efficient powerful wind but if the wind isn’t blowing you can’t operate your equipment and so that’s a bit of risk so the things we are looking at is there a way to do combination of wind and when the wind is not blowing can you buy your balance of the grid we are looking at all strategic different alternatives but, like I said we wouldn’t be building our own wind we are focused we know what we can do wow and where we don’t have expertise so we wouldn’t be building our own solar assets we are working with several utilities clean energy utilities, to see if there's something that make sense so far we haven’t found anything that make sense again because solar seems to be more expensive and not reliable and wind is definitely attractive pricing but you have this the math needs to work and if you can only run your equipment 65 or 75% of the time your IRR in return on that project is not going to be very strong despite the price of electricity.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Nice, thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Deepak Kaushal from GMP Securities.

Deepak Kaushal

Analyst

Hi guys thanks for taking my follow up just a quick one Andrew last quarter you commented on the constraints you saw in the supply chain for new chips via TSMC and what’s kind of update on that and what’s your thinking today on hash rates which seem to be rising again that’s it for me?

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Yes I think the commentary remains the same we are constantly evaluating different forms of equipment that that’s out there and when you go to that large Chinese manufacturers what’s mining Canaan and Bitmain, if you websites and we try look at the equipment it all says sold out that’s because they did not manufacture a lot of it and it says they will begin shipping in November and so we certainly seeing that the hash rates increasing I think that’s probably just a bunch of older equipment that’s being turned on I think there is been some influence of new equipment but the question remains for people that are if you are lucky they are able to get the manufacturing done on time you can get on the priority list but its been shipped out in November I think that tells we rather go to people on the priority list for them how fast can we get that up and running and so my view is that we could see the hash rate increasing here do you want to invest in whole bunch new expensive equipment that may not necessarily pay off certainly I think when we look at the Bitmain and the other stuff right there the price per tera-hash is highly efficient equipment to the extent you can get it, but the price for tera-hash is high so you got a way at this point I suspect people will still be waiting another 6 to 7 months between but when they receive it and then there is going to be time in putting it up this is a very fast moving industry like what happened between now and then I think one of the advantages we have is that Bitfury does have chips available they also have legacy sites available that can be upgraded so our ability should we choose to allocate our capital in that direction or able to raise new capital we could probably the up and running at near and around the same price some more efficiency but we wouldn’t have to wait until 2020 in order to get up and running you could probably be up and running within 2 weeks but incremental capacity.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay that’s helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] and I have no further questions at this time.

Andrew Kiguel

Analyst

Okay great thank you very much everybody.

Jim Vaiopoulos

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen that concludes today’s call thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.