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Hertz Global Holdings, Inc. (HTZ)

Q1 2008 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 25, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Hertz Global Holdings first quarter 2008 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) The company has asked me to remind you that certain statements made on this call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of performance and by their nature are subject to inherent uncertainties actual results may differ materially. Any forward information relayed on this call speaks only as of this date and the company undertakes no obligation to update that information to reflect change in circumstances. Additional information concerning these statements is contained in the company’s press release regarding its first quarter results issued yesterday and the risk factors and forward-looking section of the company’s 2007 10-K. Copies of the 10-K are available from the SEC, the Hertz’s website or the company’s investor relations department. I would now like to turn the conference over to our host Lauren Babus.

Lauren Babus

Management

Good morning and welcome to Hertz Global Holdings first quarter 2008 conference call. You should all have our press release and associated financial information. We have also provided slides to accompanying our conference call. You can access these documents at www.Hertz.com/InvestorRelations. The slides can be found under the webcast presentation link. In a minute I will turn the call over to Mark Frissora, Hertz’s Chairman and CEO. Also speaking today is Elyse Douglas, Hertz’s Chief Financial Officer. In addition, we have Joe Nothwang, Executive Vice President and President Vehicle Rental and Leasing the Americas and Pacific; Michele Taride, Executive Vice President and President Hertz’s Europe Limited; and Gerry Plescia, Executive Vice President of Hertz with us for the Q&A session. Today we will use certain non-GAAP financial measures all of which are reconciled with GAAP numbers in our press release posted on our website. We believe that our profitability and performance is better demonstrated using these non-GAAP metrics. Our call today focuses on Hertz Global Holdings the publically traded company. Results for the Hertz Corporation differed only slightly as explained in our press release. Now, I’ll turn the call over to Mark Frissora.

Mark P. Frissora

Management

As you saw in the press release, Hertz delivered a solid performance this quarter matching our results for first quarter 2007. We more than overcame challenging US economic headwinds which impacted our car rental and equipment rental business. Historically volumes in the first quarter of the year are at the lowest and we work harder to cover fixed costs. This year the first quarter was also characterized by soft volume and pricing pressures which we were able to offset with a strong focus on cost control and efficiency improvement. Please turn now to Slide Five as I review our quarterly results. We achieved total revenue for the quarter of over $2 billion an increase of $118 million or 6.1% across our businesses with good growth in both car rental and equipment rental. On a currency adjusted basis revenue grew 1.9%. Corporate EBTIDA of $235 million in line with Q1 2007 represented 11.5% of revenues. Adjusted pre-tax income improved 6.2% year-over-year while adjusted net income of $6.5 million was slightly higher than 2007 and adjusted EPS of $0.02 matched the prior period results. Levered after tax cash flow [inaudible] for the last 12 months was $197 million compared to $462 million for the same time span ending March 31, 2007 primarily due to the increase car rental net fleet equity requirement. This relates to the change in the risk composition of our fleet mix in 2006 and timing issues in the international fleet. When we transitioned to the lower costs sale and lease back fleet financing facility in the UK in December we knew there would be an adverse impact on corporate cash flow for the first quarter which would reverse itself in the second quarter. This offset the cash flow benefit we derived from improved earnings and working capital. I…

Elyse Douglas

Management

I will focus my remarks today on the operating environment and outlook for car rental and equipment rental and will be referring to our first quarter 2008 operating data in the press release. I will begin with US rent-a-car on Slide 11. Hertz’s domestic rent-a-car pricing in the third quarter as reflected in RPD finished below prior year by 2.9% for the quarter driven by a decline in airport RPD of 2.3% and an off airport RPD of 2.4% and the impact of different growth rates in the two sectors. Transaction day growth in the US was 2% reflecting the strong off airport rental activity. The pricing environment was generally mixed in the first quarter with some improvement as the quarter progressed. By March, RPD was about flat with prior year as the industry benefitted to some degree from the shift of Easter in to late March. The airport pricing erosion experienced by the industry in Q4 07 carried in to January however, Hertz and others attempted to raise pricing throughout the quarter with mixed success. The pricing outlook in the US is improving however. Over the last two weeks most of the industry began to support higher pricing for the May forward time frame. Hertz in particular raised prices this week and so far the response has been mostly positive. Looking at another important operating metric, average rental length in the US increased by 5.6% in the first quarter with growth across all major customer categories. This reflects the shift away from traditional booking sources to online leisure rental sources, strong growth from international in-bound customer and growth in the off airport sector particularly in insurance related business. As we pointed in earlier calls while rental rates are lower for online leisure and off airport rentals they are profitable…

Mark P. Frissora

Management

To sum up the first quarter we were challenged by US macroeconomic factors and pricing pressures as fleet supply exceeded rental demand on both of our businesses. However, in spite of these we beat all of our internal business plan targets. Volume growth for the reduced pricing impact profitability as fleet and other costs increased throughout the flow through from higher RPD or equipment rental rates. Our revenue stream diversification and our global footprint enabled us to achieve growth despite the slowing US economy. By executing on our cost and efficiency initiatives, by staying disciplined and focused we were successful in generating strong results during the quarter. I’m fairly encouraged with the future pricing trends in the US RAC industry going forward. Fleets continue to tighten industry wide helping to optimize yield management. For the full year, 2008 we are reaffirming our guidance. We expect improvement in all of our guidance metrics as shown on Slide 18 based on current economic conditions. We are forecasting total revenues to increase between $8.9 billion to $9 billion with car rental revenue growth of 2.5% to 3.5% and equipment rental revenue growth of 3% to 8%. Corporate EBITDA is projected to improve as well to $1.575 billion to $1.675 billion. We expect adjusted pre-tax and adjusted net income to also increase year-over-year and should be between $725 million and $750 million and between $450 and $470 million respectively. Using the notional tax rate of 34% and 325.5 million shares, the number of diluted shares outstanding as of the year ended December 31, 2007 adjusted earnings per share is expected to grow to between $1.38 to $1.44 per share. These earnings projections are weighted toward the back half of the year based on the seasonality of our businesses and our expectation of slightly less…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Christopher Agnew - Goldman Sachs. Christopher Agnew – Goldman Sachs: In terms of advanced reservations you’re seeing in RAC in the second quarter, is there any color you can share in terms of mix? Specifically commercial versus leisure? Or, if you’re not able to get that granular maybe share some of your expectations.

Mark P. Frissora

Management

I would tell you that leisure which represents roughly 40% of our revenues in the US is in fact showing positive trends. Commercial has continued to be under some pressure in the first quarter. I’ve seen that in to the second quarter but soon the new business will kick in. But, in general businesses travelers a lot of CEOs have cut back on T&E, travel and entertainment so we’ve seen some contraction on that. In terms of going forward we feel pretty good about what’s going to happen in the future base on the advanced reservations backlog as a whole. Christopher Agnew – Goldman Sachs: You mentioned that fleets continued to tighten. What’s your flexibility there? Say advanced reservations are misleading and commercial and leisure suddenly slows down going in to end of second quarter, third quarter?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

I think that in general when you look at advanced reservations, I should be explicit here we’re not seeing double digit growth rates in advanced reservations. I don’t think the industry is going to respond by adding amounts of fleet. In general we see industry conditions as tightening of the fleet all the way through the third quarter. I think most of our competitors from what we see on the lots and what we’ve experienced, what we’ve heard in the trade has said that this is going to be a year where most rental companies are going to tighten their fleet. They’re feeling the pinch of the economy in general and that provides for good pricing going forward in the year. Christopher Agnew – Goldman Sachs: Off airport, you grew it 14% with insurance replacement business, maybe could you just comment what competitive response that’s drawing? And then also in the off airport business since you’ve been talking to low double digit rates but I thought that applied to the whole business and I think on the last call you mentioned there were a couple of factors in December that saw deceleration to 6% growth for the whole off airport piece. 1Q, we saw a continuation of that 6% growth, is there anything in particular we need to bear in mind that happened in the first quarter?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

The only thing we saw in the first quarter was continued expansion we think of our share in to the off airport insurance replacement segment. So, that’s a third of the market of off airport. The other two segments which were commercial as well as leisure, those two segments suffer from the same issues that we saw in the general US airport. In general it was a good quarter; a solid quarter and we see that continuing going forward with double digit growth rate on transaction days in the insurance replacement segment. Joe, do you want to add any color to that?

Joseph R. Nothwang

Analyst

Chris, you’re correct we did report some weakening in December but very positively all off airport business popped the middle of January forward and producing the 8.5% growth that we reported. In terms of your question on a rationality on pricing in this market, I would say that’s a good description of it. All competitors particularly Enterprise and Avis Budget whom we compete with on the insurance replacement have rational pricing strategies as we compete for these big accounts.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Unidentified Analyst - Lehman Brothers. Unidentified Analyst – Lehman Brothers: On your full year 2008 guidance in terms of the assumptions you were taking in to account with respect to maybe – you gave a little color on the pricing trends and hopefully the positive trends there continue, I was wondering in terms of maybe your assumptions in employments in the US what are you factoring in the for the second half of the year? And, are you baking in there maybe some more contribution from your international operations that should offset maybe any potential US weakness that we might see given the uncertain economic environment we’re in?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

On employments we’re expecting very modest assumptions baked in to the back half of the year. I would say that the US, when we look at our revenue assumptions we’re probably assuming no more than a 1% improvement year-over-year on employments. In Europe we’re a little more bullish there. It’s probably going to be in the neighborhood of 5% to 6%. So, those are the assumptions baked in to the way we do our revenue guidance. Unidentified Analyst – Lehman Brothers: Maybe just with respect maybe Joe can answer this but with respect to the used car market and you did a good job in tightening up the first quarter trends, maybe you can help us understand again what trends you’ve seen in the past with respect to a softening economic environment, how that tends to affect the used car market out there for the car rental age specifically.

Joseph R. Nothwang

Analyst

First I’d like to clarify that even in the current environment the capacity to sell is no issue at all. We’re very strong on capacity and we could sell literally tens of thousands of cars if necessary. The advantage for us in accelerating our movement to risk cars is that we control the timing of when we bring cars to market. If there is pressure on certain models we can delay the sale of those models. We have seen an improvement in the trend in March because we are managing the make and models that we take to the market and we believe that trend is going to continue into the summer overcoming any overall macro economic impact of the market. This cost climate no question of that but we believe we’re managing it exceptionally well.

Mark P. Frissora

Management

I’ll just add to that we have seen I want to emphasize this, positive residual trends. That wasn’t really stated in the script that we just took you through but we’re seeing positive residual trends and in fact our ability to manage in a tough environment again is accentuated by the fact that we do business with more OEMs than anyone else in the industry and it’s been a very laser focused strategy of ours and we’ve got 11 OEMs to deal with and in the US we’re very, very balanced into deciding which make and model we’re able to sell based on timing issues, residual issues by make and model. Unidentified Analyst – Lehman Brothers: On the Hertz side with respect to your overall outlook especially on the fleet age, at what level do you get your fleet age where you decide now it’s time to reduce that, how far can you stretch that and for the full year should we expect margin contraction to continue on a year-over-year basis at least on the Hertz side?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

In general aging of the fleet our biggest competitor is at about 39 months. We think we can go to 34 or to 35 months without having any competitive disadvantage and that’s what our target is. We did say in the script that we are going to improve our utilization in the back half of the year. We’re seeing that right now and we feel very confident that we’ll have significant movements in the way our fleet utilizations right now will tally in the back half of the year. That will obviously help our margin contraction issue as well.

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

On the fleet age, you’re absolutely right, we have plenty of room there even beyond what we expect to age this year. Also related to the margin we expect to have the same activity we had in the first quarter. We actually went to auction to sell some earth moving that impacted our margins where we continue to right size that fleet. We don’t expect to have that level of activity going forward because we’ll be more balanced as we move and also some of the efficiencies we’re building in at the international expansion will help us improve margins. We’ve built in a forecast for the weaker US activity and the growth from our specialty equipment fleet balancing and international operations should improve our position in the fall in quarters without the same headwinds on selling used equipment in the first quarter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Christina Wu - Morgan Stanley. Christina Wu – Morgan Stanley: We talked a little bit about your employment expectations, I was also wondering if you could provide some expectations for non-residential construction spending, industrial growth, some of the larger segments on the Hertz side of the business?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

Just in general on the non-res construction activity we baked into our forecast for revenues this year about a 6% contraction year-over-year versus what was the run rate last year which was already contracted. I think that we’re going to certainly see that as we go forward. Gerry, do you want to expand on some of the other parts of the question she asked.

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

Related to the construction side, again we talked about our base business contracting lower to mid-single digits within our forecast and that’s backed up by Dodge and some other components that are forecasting slower growth. I think we’ve already seen that occurring in the industry within our business based on the US construction decline. We believe that will continue and we built into our forecast improvement in the industrial sector, improvement in some of our fleet specialty lines. The industrial sector you’ll see forecasts that say it’s going to be flat to slightly negative. Most of that is related to the big surge of ethanol plants and ethanol plant activity that happened in ‘07 so although the forecast is flat we believe there’s plenty of opportunity in the petro-chem area for us to still take market share and grow that sector. We are forecasting stronger growth continue in ‘08 even though the overall macro is about flat and then also building in some of the decline in the construction market offset by the other initiatives that we have. Basically continuing to see what occurred in the first quarter. Christina Wu – Morgan Stanley: Pricing has declined over the past couple of quarters, has that been across the board? You just described a great growth environment in the industrial segment, for example, are you getting pricing increases in some of the segments?

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

Yes, overall just because of the slower non-res construction market there is some pressure on pricing. We’re not seeing steep declines in that area but what’s offsetting some of that weaker demand are better pricing in the most active industrial markets in North America. Christina Wu – Morgan Stanley: Is part of your strategy to proactively decrease the prices or has your pricing decline really been more of a response to the competitive environment?

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

We’re very selective about that response, but the answer is the latter. We are reacting to the competitive environment in certain markets in certain places where there is an excess fleet on the Hertz side or the industry side where we are participating very selectively. The rest of our strategy is to try and increase prices where we can where utilization is higher and where there is a stronger industrial base.

Mark P. Frissora

Management

We do a weekly detailed pricing review and I would tell you that looking at by category of equipment and then even by market segment we are improving and increasing our prices year-over-year in every category we can. We continue to try to be the price leader, if you will, in the category. But it’s a difficult environment obviously on the what I call the construction equipment side of the equation. We felt pretty good about a 1% decline year-over-year wasn’t bad given some of the macros in the US on non-res construction environment. Christina Wu – Morgan Stanley: Shifting gears for one last question, you had commented that in Europe you’re seeing longer rental lengths, I think it was up 7.9% year-over-year, I understand the shift in the US because you’re going to the off airport market or focusing on leisure, what’s causing that shift in the European market?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

Yes, some very good things actually, very profitable things. Michel Taride is on the call, Michel why don’t you just talk through the strategy that we started probably a year and a half, two years ago on vans and trucks and some other things in leisure that’s driving that.

Michel Taride

Analyst

That’s right. We have length increases in all our key segments. We are developing very strongly the mostly rental business in all segments and that’s true for both commercial and leisure. So that’s one big part of the explanation. The second part is that as Mark just mentioned we are also growing our vans and trucks business in Europe a lot of which certain countries is what we call long term rentals meaning three, four month rental. That’s very true for example in the UK or in Germany and it’s a significant portion of the business whereas it’s about 15% of our revenue and growing actually faster than the car rental business itself, double digits right now. That’s what is explaining the increasing lines which is indeed significant. Christina Wu – Morgan Stanley: It sounds like it would be the smaller businesses. Is that your target customer for the monthly rentals?

Michel Taride

Analyst

What do you mean by smaller businesses? Christina Wu – Morgan Stanley: Is it a business client or is it more, it’s probably not going to be a leisure client.

Michel Taride

Analyst

It is indeed a commercial client. It’s business absolutely.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from William Truelove - UBS. William Truelove – UBS: You mentioned about the leisure travel rental car business picking up. Is that picking up just in transaction volume or also in prices?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

Just in terms of transaction volume we’re saying that business has a stronger trend line to it than let’s just say the commercial segment that we’ve seen and when we look at advance reservations again that’s what we’re seeing. William Truelove – UBS: Are you getting much back on price?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

No. Pricing in general what you’ll see is that pricing in general improves obviously and leisure often times faster than it does in commercial accounts. The reason for that is in commercial accounts you have contracts and they’re for one year, sometimes two year periods depending on the customer and those contracts are renewed every month. They’re annualized. But leisure pricing you get a quicker bang for the buck if you get tighter fleets quickly. William Truelove – UBS: Just to go back to the point about the US residual values, you mentioned that maybe you didn’t focus so much on the positive residual trends, but on your Slide 14 you do say that the residual values are under pressure year-over-year and down 89 basis points and talked about flexibility and what you could sell based upon the residual values you’re receiving so my question was twofold, one are you changing the mix of what you’re selling and that was why you only did 89 basis points. Would it have been worse if you’re not changing the mix and two what exactly do you mean by positive residual tends given that it’s still down year-over-year? Can you just clarify for me those two points?

Joseph R. Nothwang

Analyst

Two factors and you touched on one of them. We are managing the mix of what we sell and then we are taking advantage of the flexibility of a risk sweep and we are extending the average age of the cars and we did so by approximately one month. So instead of selling at about 13 months our average age of car sold was about 14 months.

Mark P. Frissora

Management

Just so I’m clear with you on this, on a normal residual when you sell an optimized, if you will, your pricing and the way the maintenance cost, etcetera occur on a risk car versus a program car you always sell a risk car and hold it longer than you do a program car. Program cars sometimes you’ll turn back in the way the depreciation schedules are set up with the OEMs after nine months and so our fleet has gotten a little older as we moved to higher risk mix. And that’s helping obviously in terms of managing fleet costs for us as well. The outlook on residuals is less negative. I don’t want to make you think that it’s going to be some big positive number going forward but it’s much less negative than it was, let’s say, than what we saw in the first quarter and in the fourth quarter. Okay?

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Brandt Sakakeeny - Deutsche Bank. Analyst for Brandt Sakakeeny – Deutsche Bank Securities: I was wondering if you could provide a little bit more color on what you described on the Hertz segment in terms of lower proceeds on sales of used equipment. Is that more a function of the mix of used equipment that’s being sold or how the equipment is being disposed of?

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

The quarter was highlighted by the fact that we did sell more earth moving equipment, mid to large size earth moving, and we went to auction with a slightly greater percentage than we’ve done historically. It was more of a factor of the quick sale aspect of how we sold the fleet which really put some pressure on the net proceeds. Normally we’re selling more of a quantity at retail or wholesale which is a more orderly sale which keeps the residuals up. That was the biggest factor in the quarter year-over-year. Analyst for Brandt Sakakeeny – Deutsche Bank Securities: In prior releases you’ve provided us the direct operating expenses by segment as a percentage of revenue. I was wondering if you could give that to us?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

We can follow up on the call. I don’t know why we didn’t provide it. We were down 200 basis points when we throw all costs together year-over-year on an adjusted basis. So the number is 200 basis points lower looking at DOE, SG&A and what we call the interest expense associated with the fleet. That’s the total. I’ll have to call. Lauren will follow up with you and give you some break outs. Okay?

Lauren Babus

Management

If it’s in the release we can work with you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Emily Shanks - Lehman Brothers. Emily Shanks – Lehman Brothers: Just a quick question for you on [HERC], I know you made the very tiny acquisition here in the US in the Northeast and then you also referenced the acquisition you made in Spain. I know that in the past you’ve really focused on growing that business organically. Has your overall operating model changed? Would you consider more acquisitions, simply larger in size at all in that business?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

No, not larger acquisitions. Small acquisitions has always been part of our strategy. Right now it’s opportunistic to pick up some of these companies as everyone is trading at lower EBITDA multiples and there’s a little bit more pressure in some markets. We’re also trying to shift, if you will, our profile into industrial and power generation and so again it’s opportunistic for us to be able to buy some of those companies in today’s environment. It’s really part of what has been a strategy on an ongoing basis although recently because of some of the pressure we’re able to buy these companies in a way that’s accretive very quickly and help us offset any issues that you have in the non-res construction market here in the US. Gerry, do you want to expand on that at all?

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

Just the fact that one company was an aerial based fleet component, the other was power generation as Mark said. It serves two purposes, quicker into the market and also helps to diversify at the same time into those fleet lines. Emily Shanks – Lehman Brothers: Elyse, I wanted to make sure I caught your comments at the very end of your script correctly. Am I to assume that the uptick in the ABL draw was a result of the increased advance rates required for the international fleet? What I’m trying to get at it is understand if that increase ABL draw was as expected or it just looks a little high to me on a sequential basis.

Elyse Douglas

Management

Actually it relates to the timing issues that we talked about in the international fleet financing. So that if you were to quantify those it’s about $300 million. We didn’t borrow under the fleet financing for that $300 million which is really a timing issue and actually it was funded under the ABL. Emily Shanks – Lehman Brothers: And just to follow up, that has since worked out?

Elyse Douglas

Management

That’s correct. It was just a timing issue and we expect normalized advance rates going forward. Emily Shanks – Lehman Brothers: Is there any way to break out what your expectations are around or at least on CapEx specific to Hertz? I think during the prepared comments you said that now you expect net cutbacks to be less than $150 million. I was really looking for color around maintenance rose and then fleet proceeds?

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

The biggest component of that would be approximately $300 million we would call maintenance CapEx and the growth in this scenario is essentially negative about $150 or so on the growth CapEx.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Michael Millman - Soleil Securities. Michael Millman – Soleil-Millman Securities: On HERC given some headwinds you’ve discussed why is the acquisition still double digit acquisition gross?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

You mean acquisition you’re referring to when you see the 12%? That’s the year-over-year fleet size I think is what you’re referring to. Keep in mind that that large number is foreign exchange impacted so about 30% plus is because of the fleet sizes in our foreign operations. That’s just a year-over-year comparison. The actual fleet year-over-year is only about 7% to 8% in apples to apples dollars. It’s affected by where we’re making investments than in the foreign exchange difference year-over-year is really inflating that number. The actual fleet from the end of December to the end of the first quarter is down over 2% in total worldwide HERC. Michael Millman – Soleil-Millman Securities: And that’s adjusting for the foreign exchange?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

Yes. Michael Millman – Soleil-Millman Securities: On RAC, why is an increase in holding period improving residual value?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

I don’t know if I can answer that question. I know that our overall fleet costs as you knew were up 2.4% and you’re asking the question about residual values and whether or not that is impacted by the fact that we have longer depreciation. Michael Millman – Soleil-Millman Securities: There was a comment that residual values were helped by a lengthening of the holding period.

Elyse Douglas

Management

What is does affect is just the gain or the loss itself. So for instance we depreciate a car over a straight line basis. If we sell that car in 12 months versus 14 months it affects the magnitude of the gain or loss. Michael Millman – Soleil-Millman Securities: Wouldn’t the residual value move in line with the age?

Elyse Douglas

Management

When you buy a car the actual market value is not really straight line. So until you get to a certain period of time do you really hit that breakeven point? Michael Millman – Soleil-Millman Securities: So the longer you hold it, the better off you are?

Elyse Douglas

Management

I think right at the point when we can talk about it a little later but the residual value on a 12 or 14 month car is not going to be as impacted dramatically. The slope will change. It will flatten out and that’s the point. Michael Millman – Soleil-Millman Securities: On current conditions, you’ve indicated that you’re seeing some improvement in the leisure market, couple items on that. One is related primarily to seasonality. Two you didn’t mention much about April I think you said was flat and March, I was wondering about April and regarding May we’re seeing some improvement in leisure pricing. Can you give us some idea as to what that is?

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

Let me respond in two ways. On the improving trends, let’s look at the reservation growth as well as the pricing. On the reservation growth we have positive reservation growth for all dates forward. The real turning point is about May 11. That’s where we see the improvement of the trend and we get into solid single digits as we move into June and July. On the pricing we haven’t we haven’t commented on forward pricing previously and I’ll refer to what Mark said. We raised prices this week and we are seeing reasonably good competitive response. Michael Millman – Soleil-Millman Securities: And can you give us what prices were in April?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

No. No, we can’t yet. Sorry.

Operator

Operator

Ranjeet Batra – JP Morgan: Could you comment on the trajectory of volume growth and pricing in HERC during the first quarter? I think you addressed that in the Rent A Car segment. Just curious about the same trajectory in HERC.

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

It actually improved throughout the quarter. March was from a volume perspective particularly in North America the volume was at its lowest point in January and we had progressive improvement all the way through the end of March. It was weighted toward the back end of the quarter. Ranjeet Batra – JP Morgan: And pricing?

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

Pricing was pretty stable throughout the quarter. The 1.3% negative in the US was fairly stable throughout the quarter. Ranjeet Batra – JP Morgan: How much forward visibility do you have on HERC equipment rental similar to advance reservations for car rental? What sort of equivalent on equipment rental?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

We obviously don’t have a reservation bank like car rental but we do have as far as our national account base which represents almost half of our business, the largest accounts, we have the visibility of their project flow. We have relationships that give us that indication. We also look at obviously the macro economic reports, non-res reports that are put out by Dodge and things like that. So the combination of the two gives us some pretty good visibility six months out. Ranjeet Batra – JP Morgan: Could you remind us if LIBOR resets are factored into your guidance during ‘08 for pre-tax income?

Elyse Douglas

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Matt Vitorioso - Barclay. Matt Vitorioso – Barclays Capital: Just curious about the corporate EBITDA margin at Rent A Car. Over the long term is the change in mix into off airport, does that have a long term affect on margin or does the lower cost of off airport offset the lower pricing?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

In general pre-tax margins for example in the off airport business model equal that of the airport. That’s after the stores mature and we’ve had a couple years to develop a normal business in that model. The pre-tax and EBITDA margins, the margins would move pretty much in concert. We continue to say that over the long term our EBITDA margins will improve to 19% to 21% and feel confident at that projection. Matt Vitorioso – Barclays Capital: You had talked about the fleet equity requirement reversing itself in the second quarter but still being a use of cash for the full year, can you give us some idea of the magnitude of the use of cash it might be for the year? Did you already provide that?

Elyse Douglas

Management

No we haven’t provided that but it should be in line with the growth in the fleet. Matt Vitorioso – Barclays Capital: Have you ever provided a breakdown of your fleet mix for HERC as far as how much of your fleet is currently earth moving versus aerial versus some of the other categories you might break it down into?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

I think we’ve done that internally.

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

Generally, a little over half of our fleet is a mix of earth moving and aerial. Previously our earth moving fleet had been within the last two years as high as 30% to 35% of the fleet. That’s down now to about 25% and the aerial component which is obviously feeding from the industrial growth and other strength in that segment has grown from about 20% to over 25%, 26%, 27%. Those are the two largest categories and then it trickles down from there. We have a truck component that’s the next largest of about 11% or 12% and then on and on the categories get smaller and smaller, power generation, concrete equipment, different welders and other specific categories get smaller. But those are the two largest and those are roughly the percentages. Matt Vitorioso – Barclays Capital: Are there just a couple high profile applications that these trucks go into as far as what’s their end use, just generally? What do these trucks do?

Gerald A. Plescia

Analyst

It’s a wide range of trucks. It’s everything from a Ford Ranger, a small truck that’s rented by a contractor on a jobsite, there’s a lot of that, all the way up to 25 or 30 ton articulated dump trucks on infrastructure work, large site construction, things like that. We have water trucks, the watering of different construction sites is a significant part of the US construction market. It’s a wide gamut of things from very small trucks up through those large ones.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Frank Jarman - Goldman Sachs. Frank Jarman – Goldman Sachs: Last quarter you mentioned the potential for you to potential buy back some bank debtor bonds in the open market. Can you just update us on those actions and any future plans you might have?

Elyse Douglas

Management

We continually look at that. Our bonds have performed very well over the past couple weeks and some of them are even trading at par today. So it’s not as big an opportunity as it has been in the past. We continue to evaluate. We have no immediate plans right now but we’ll see how things progress as the year goes on. Frank Jarman – Goldman Sachs: You touched on the weakness at the monocline insurers and the potential for an early AM event and I’m it’s pretty tough to place a probability on a scenario like that playing out, but is there anything that you are doing today to mitigate that risk or is it all potentially reactionary measures that you have to take in an early AM type of scenario?

Elyse Douglas

Management

We’re certainly talking about refinancing alternatives and that would be one way that we would position ourselves if there was an event. So we are having active dialog in terms of looking at financing alternatives. Frank Jarman – Goldman Sachs: Just the last question, on a monthly deprecation rate for RAC is there any sense you can give me for what that number is?

Mark P. Frissora

Management

I don’t know if we have done that in the past, have we? Monthly depreciation rates? Have we given that?

Elyse Douglas

Management

I can work with you given the information we have. It would be worldwide number.

Mark P. Frissora

Management

You can calculate it by backing into it. But she’ll work with you on that, okay?

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from [Clark Orski] - JDP Investment Advisors. [Clark Orski] – JDP Investment Advisors: Elyse can you just restate what you said about the per unit depreciation rates? I didn’t catch that. And, tie that in to the year-over-year increase in fleet D&A which I think was up about 13%.

Elyse Douglas

Management

What we said was the per unit depreciation rate in the US was up only 2.4%. So, that would include the gain or loss on the sales as well as the car cost increases so we were very pleased with that result. [Clark Orski] – JDP Investment Advisors: And the 13% increase, the absolute number was that just mainly increase in the size of the fleet.

Elyse Douglas

Management

A lot of it has to do with the size of the fleet, yes. [Clark Orski] – JDP Investment Advisors: Have you articulated a goal for net debt reduction this year?

Elyse Douglas

Management

Well, it’s in line with our cash flow guidance.

Mark P. Frissora

Management

The driver of the 13% was the international component of the fleet. We talked to you about having fleet costs I think up roughly 10% year-over-year on the international fleet. Foreign exchange is a driver. [Clark Orski] – JDP Investment Advisors: The net debt reduction you said was in line with?

Elyse Douglas

Management

Cash flow guidance the $550 to $650.

Operator

Operator

I’ll turn it back to now Mark Frissora.

Mark P. Frissora

Management

Once again thanks for joining us today and we really appreciate your interest in the company.