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Hilltop Holdings Inc. (HTH)

Q2 2016 Earnings Call· Sun, Jul 31, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Hilltop Holdings Q2, 2016 Conference Call and Webcast. Participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I’d now like to turn the conference call over to Ms. Isabell Novakov. Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Ms. Novakov, the floor is yours ma'am.

Isabell Novakov

Analyst

Good morning. Joining me on the call this morning are Jeremy Ford, President and CEO of Hilltop Holdings; Alan White, CEO of PlainsCapital Corporation; Darren Parmenter, Principal Financial Officer of Hilltop Holdings; and John Martin, CFO of PlainsCapital Corporation. Before we get started, please note that certain statements during today's presentation that are not statements of historical facts including statements concerning such items as our business strategy, future plans and financial condition are forward looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations concerning future events that by their nature are subject to risks and uncertainty. Our actual results, capital and financial condition may differ materially from these statements due to a variety of factors including the precautionary statements referenced in our discussion today and those included in our most recent annual report and quarterly report filed with the SEC. Except to the extent required by law; we expressly disclaim any obligation to update earlier statement as a result of new information. And now, I'd like to hand the presentation over to Jeremy Ford.

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Good morning and thank you, Isabell. The second quarter of 2016 net income was $31.1 million or $0.32 per share. Provision for loan losses was $28.9 million for the second quarter of 2016, primarily driven by a nonrecurring full charge-off related to one large loan, which had $24.5 million outstanding principal balance. Adjusted net income was $33.1 million or $0.34 per share when excluding transaction and integration costs related to the SWS Merger. In connection with the SWS Merger, during the second quarter, Hilltop incurred $2.3 million in pre-tax transaction and integration costs. For the second quarter of 2015 net income was $29.6 million or $0.30 per share. Our ROA was 1.05% in the quarter relative to 0.97% prior year. Our ROE was 7.07% relative to 7.12% in Q2 2015. Hilltop's four operating segments reported $58.5 million in pre-tax income. PlainsCapital Bank contributed $21.6 million, prime lending contributed $28.1 million, Hilltop Securities contributed $18.3 million and National Lloyds reported a $9.6 million pre-tax loss. Hilltop's common equity increased to $1.8 billion, up $34 million from March 31, 2015. And we remain well-capitalized with 13.18% Tier 1 leverage ratio. Hilltop's Q2 2016 results demonstrate the operating leverage for our platforms and strong fundamental trends in each of the company, particularly with the exceptional performance of our mortgage-related businesses. Moving forward to the next slide. Here are the financial highlights and I will talk to the items not previously discussed. Our net interest margin had modest improvement from higher loan yields and lower cost of funds, rising to 3.8% from 3.7%. Our total assets increased to $13.1 billion from $11.7 billion in the prior quarter. Our loans increased to $5.8 billion from $5.7 billion in the prior quarter and our deposits increased to $7.1 billion from $7 billion in the prior quarter. Hilltop's NPAs to total assets improved to 20 basis points and our Tier 1 leverage ratio improved to 13.18%. I will now turn the presentation over to Darren Parmenter.

Darren Parmenter

Analyst

Thank you, Jeremy. Moving to Hilltop's net interest income and margin. Our taxable equivalent net interest margin increased by 10 basis points in the second quarter to 3.8% compared to 3.7% in the first quarter. Higher loan yields and balances coupled with lower rates and borrowings drove the improvement. The cost of our interest-bearing deposits remained relatively flat. The net interest margin was 72 basis points greater due to purchase accounting driven mainly by the accretion of discounted loans by $17.3 million and the amortization of premium acquired securities of $900,000. Hilltop's net interest margin and taxable equivalent net interest margin was reduced by the Broker-Dealer's securities lending business, the net impact of this was 65 basis points. The Banks taxable equivalent net interest margin for the second quarter was 4.87% from 4.73% in the first quarter. Moving to noninterest income, our noninterest income for the second quarter was $346 million, up approximately 15% from prior year. Net gains from sale of loans, other mortgage production income and mortgage loan origination fees increased $24.7 million in the quarter. Investment advisory fees and commissions decreased $1.1 million or 1.5%. Net insurance premiums earned were down $1.6 million to $38.7 million in the second quarter. Other noninterest income increased $22.6 million or 102.4%. Moving to noninterest expense, our noninterest expense was $367.4 million in the quarter, up 4% from prior year. Compensation was $217.3 million versus $200.3 million in prior year, representing 59% of our noninterest expense. During the quarter we incurred $400,000 in employee comp expense related to the SWS Merger. This compares to $2.9 million we experienced in the second quarter of 2015. Loss in LAE policy acquisition and other underwriting expenses were down $4.5 million to $48.5 million in the quarter. Occupancy and equipment expenses decreased $3.9 million or 12.7% versus prior year. Other expenses increased $5.4 million or 7.7%. During the second quarter, we did incur $1.9 million in transaction and integrated related costs due to the SWS Merger compared to $1.5 million in prior year. Moving next to Hilltop balance sheet, our total assets grew by 11.5% in the second quarter. Loans held for sale increased $206.1 million or 15.3%. Gross non-covered loans held for investment increased to $106.4 million. Broker-Dealer and clearing receivables increased $887 million or 64.7%. Our Securities declined by $167.6 million. Gross loans held for investment covered and non-covered to deposits was relatively flat at 81.3% and our total deposits increased to $142.6 million or 2%.Our short-term borrowings increased $179.9 million or 21.6%. Our common equity increased $33.9 million, almost 2% primarily due to earnings. With that, I’d like to turn the call over to Alan white.

Alan White

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Darren. Quarter 2, 2016 had an ROE of 66 -- 0.66% driven by an elevated provision substantially due to the loan that Jeremy was referring to a one-time charge-off that we had. Let me just stop there and give you a little background. That loan originated in 2014. We had it on our books for about 18 months. It was amortizing monthly. Never missed a payment. Around the 1st of May, we got some intelligence that we might have some issues on documentation. As we began to investigate that documentation, we suspected fraud. On 15th of May, when they did not make the payment, we called the note. We demanded payment from the borrower and the guarantors. On or around June 15, we sued the company and we sued the guarantors. So this has moved pretty fast. About 30 days ago they received service and we're in the process of aggressively suing them and going after collection of our debt from that standpoint. So this is a big surprise for us. I want to assure you that there are no other surprises if you look at our loan quality. We are about a 11.46% in classified loans. That’s down from 14% in the first quarter. Our past dues are way less than 1%. Our total nonperforming assets to total assets is 0.20%. Our total nonperforming loans to total loans is 0.33%. When you look at our energy credits, we’re down to 4.2% of total loans, our energy. That’s $233 million, 34% of that is stocks, bonds, and cash. We’ve paid down in this quarter $15 million in the energy side. That all came off -- basically off a classified loans. They reduced from $38 million to $28 million. So we feel good about where our energy portfolio is.…

John Martin

Analyst

Thank you, Alan, and good morning. Pre-tax income at the Bank was $21.6 million in the second quarter. That’s compared to $45 million in the second quarter of 2015 and that was largely due to the $24.5 million charge-off that both Alan and Jeremy have discussed. The increase in net interest income was a result of growth in our non-covered loan portfolio and improved net interest margin pre-purchase accounting. Noninterest income decreased compared to the second quarter of '15 primarily as a result of lower exchange fees and lower ORE income attributable to the FNB transaction. Noninterest expense decreased from the second quarter due to reduced occupancy expense resulting from industrial branches, lower professional fees, and lower repossession and foreclosure expenses. We fund a line at PrimeLending, which had a 1.5 billion authorized at the end of June and 1.4 billion was outstanding. Our Tier 1 leverage ratio was 12.72% versus 12.7% at the end of the first quarter. Our loan portfolio of $5.8 billion is about 50% real estate, 12% construction and development, and 28% C&I. On the deposit side, we’ve a strong noninterest bearing percentage of 32%. Alan has talked about our energy exposure. We do not have share national credits in the energy portfolio, and we continue to have relatively small balance of loans in Houston and the surrounding region. Our unfunded energy commitments are all subject to borrowing basis, and credit review prior to draw downs. The energy portfolio did increase in the first quarter and that was driven by one large revolving line of credit to an existing customer that was secured by cash and marketable securities. The energy portfolio continues to decline and was about 4.4% of our total loans at the end of the quarter. On the credit quality, Alan just talked about…

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Thank you, John. Well Hilltop Securities had an exceptional quarter, and the pre-tax income was $18.3 million versus a pre-tax loss of $1.9 million in the second quarter of ’15. After adjusting for the pre-tax integration related cost, the pre-tax income would have been $19.1 million. Our next revenue increased 25% to $110 million. This is primarily due to a $23 million increase in income earned from derivatives and trading portfolio activities. The non-interest expense increased by only $1.4 million to $92 million in the second quarter, and a broker-dealer segment provided the banking segment with $850 million of core deposits representing 38% of the total available FDIC insured balances. Moving forward to National Lloyd, is had a typical seasonal pre-tax loss, but improvement from last year. The pre-tax loss was $9.6 million relative to $12.5 million in the prior year. We had seasonally normal severe weather in Texas during the first half of ’16, though the clienteles reflect an earlier start and to the anticipated storms that help drive the 2016 improvement. Our reinsurance limited the retained losses from these sub-catastrophic events of the weather. The direct premiums written declined relative to the second quarter of ’15 which reflects continued efforts to reduce concentrates into agent management initiatives and competitive pressures. And that concludes our prepared remarks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question we have comes from Brady Gailey of KBW. Please go ahead.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, guys.

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Hi, Brady.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

So maybe we'll start with this charge-off. So, I guess, Alan, you gave us a great rundown on kind of what happened. But maybe just share what type of loan this was? And roughly $25 million, was this one of your larger loans or just talk about how big individual credits are?

Alan White

Analyst

It's a pretty good sized loan obviously. I mean, it was a surprise obviously. It was a commodity trading loan that was supposedly what it was here in, Dallas.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

And did it have anything to do with the energy downturn that took it down?

Alan White

Analyst

No -- no. It suspected fraud, and I can’t go out, I’d love to tell you all about it. But right now we’re in litigation and investigation and everything else and I just can’t go much further than what I see it. And I’m not trying to be difficult. I’m just doing what I’m told.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

Yes, I understand.

Alan White

Analyst

You understand where we are. We took the hit, we got out of it. We’re pursuing the guarantors vigorously and time will tell, but it's behind this and hopefully we can get some of it back or all of it back.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

How large are your largest loans?

Alan White

Analyst

Brady, we’ve got some that are -- we got one that's $90 million, and they vary. I would tell you, most of our loans are in the $25 million -- $10 million to $25 million range, would probably be our sweet-spot down the middle, but we do have some to go a little bit higher. We don’t like to make loans like the $90 million, but it's such a good deal and such a good customer and there’s limited risk. We’ve had that one for quite a while.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

So, on the flipside, mortgage, record earnings there that really helped offset a lot of the increased provision. So, when you look at mortgage volumes for the first half of the year, they're around $7 billion. Do you think that's repeatable in the second half or do you think we'll see a slowdown?

Alan White

Analyst

Well, third quarter will all be good. Second quarter was really outstanding, and if clients continue to go the way they are third quarter will be good. We don’t anticipate fourth quarter being as good, and that's normally the cycle. But normally the cycle is the first quarter not being good, it was good. So I think we’re looking in the range, we did $13.5 billion last year. I think we’re looking in the range of $14 billion plus this year. And with the MBA coming out with increased forecast of three and six, we’re going to get our share of that market. Now, it just depends on what happens. Everybody thinks we will, because the rates went down, it's all refi, well, it's not with us, it's purchase. And of course with rates going down, people are buying houses. And our markets that we deal in are strong, Texas, California, up the East Coast, Washington and Oregon have really come on for us. So our markets are strong. So it ever finds studies of what it is, and we should have a good last half of the year.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

All right. And then finally from me, you announced the buyback, $50 million last month. I don't think you repurchased any stock in the second quarter. How are you thinking about the buyback with the stock over $22 million?

John Martin

Analyst

Well, we did not do any repurchases in the second quarter, and the buyback is out there and we’re going to evaluate it and be prepared to repurchases as we see.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

Is that something you think you'll actually do by the end of the year or its more wait and see?

John Martin

Analyst

I think that we will do some of it at the least, and just depending on the market I think one of our goal is to offset any equity dilutions from -- sorry any share dilution from equity awards, so that -- we will do some component of it.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

All right. Thank you, guys.

John Martin

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Michael Young with SunTrust.

Michael Young

Analyst

Hey, good morning.

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Good morning.

John Martin

Analyst

Good morning.

Michael Young

Analyst

I wanted to start on the net interest margins. It seemed like it was a little stronger, I understand higher loan yields. But was there a fee income component maybe in that, that jumped up or do you see that sort of level holding from here?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Michael it is -- there was a little noise in it, but not much, that it should be maybe a little lower than what it was, but not significantly.

Michael Young

Analyst

Okay. And along the same lines, Jeremy I think in the past you had said the broker-dealer receivables were going to maybe maintain a little bit lower balance, obviously those jumped up to kind of record levels this quarter. So just curious about your outlook going forward there, any change in your thoughts on that business?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

No, it really ramped up towards the end of the quarter, so that's north of $2 billion range. And we’re still at the lower margin business, and we still want to have that running about $1.5 billion. So, I would go back to sticking about $1.5 billion of the stock rolled out.

Michael Young

Analyst

Okay. And one last one on the broker-dealer, obviously better pre-tax margin contribution this quarter, really good actually. With that continued kind of mix-shift towards the higher margin businesses like TBA that drove that, and then maybe just kind of your outlook for the back half?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Sure. There were certainly mix-shift to the higher margin businesses and that had a big part of it. I think the underlying part is there is lot of improvement and several of the businesses as Alan mentioned, and all of that's revenue. And also we’re starting to see the benefit of the cost saved and all the restructuring work that we’ve done.

Michael Young

Analyst

Okay. That's great. I’ll hop out for now.

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question we have comes from Matthew Olney of Stephens.

Matthew Olney

Analyst

Hi, guys. Good morning.

Alan White

Analyst

Good morning, Matt.

Matthew Olney

Analyst

Hey, I want to go back to that large charge off that was discussed earlier. I'm just trying to figure out in hindsight, do you feel like the loan officer was doing the appropriate due diligence. I'm just trying to understand that if you think you need to restructure any kind of controls or procedures you guys had there internally.

Alan White

Analyst

Obviously we looked at it and we tried to put some things in place, but now that's all hindsight. When you look at it, and when it's suspected fraud and to the level this was, it's really hard. And this was brought into our bank by our relationship, and we were trusted in that relationship maybe too much. And then the thing got sideways, and I really can’t get into all of it. I would love to once this thing goes, but we just got to do, Matt.

Matthew Olney

Analyst

And originally, Alan, was there any collateral on this loan?

Alan White

Analyst

Yes. Well, we thought there was. That loan wouldn’t have took the loss because anything that we thought we had wasn’t there other than the guarantors. And that's really all we had to hold our hat on and that's what we’re assuming for.

Matthew Olney

Analyst

And is there any more exposure these same guarantors?

Alan White

Analyst

No. To us? No, we had no more exposure other than going after the money.

Matthew Olney

Analyst

Okay. And then shifting over, I guess, Jeremy, can you just kind of talk higher level about the variable cost structure of the various segments. I mean, obviously revenue was very strong this year. I'm just trying to make sure that the associated expenses with the strong revenue was all taken in 2Q, and could we see a mismatch into 3Q?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Are you speaking to the broker dealer?

Matthew Olney

Analyst

Yes, broker dealer and mortgage.

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Okay. Well, it's -- I don’t see -- I don’t -- maybe help me on, I think we had a mix-shift. I don’t see any like or you’re saying something is going to develop into the third quarter?

Matthew Olney

Analyst

Well, I’m just obviously with a higher revenue in some of the variable commissions, it's -- you take higher expenses. I just want to make sure that 2Q captured some of those higher expenses or if we could see some of that into 3Q?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

No, I think Q2 captured the higher expenses appropriately. And I think that with every quarter where we have like seasonality and other things in the market that you’ll have some mix-shift in these businesses and the broker dealers that will impact the underlying profitability.

Alan White

Analyst

In the mortgage business we have fixed cost in there. We have increased our fixed cost obviously to handle the volume. But with the first cost, because increased revenue which conjure increased expense because we’re paying out more commission. So, obviously if the commissions drop off, those fixed costs should come down some too, but this was fully loaded second quarter. Second quarter was huge in the mortgage business, and June was the biggest month we’ve ever had. So, July looks pretty good.

Matthew Olney

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Brett Rabatin of Piper Jaffray.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Hi. Good morning.

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Hi, Mr. Rabatin.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Wanted just to go back first to the mortgage banking and you mentioned strategically increased loan pricing that helped the gain on sale margin in the quarter. I guess, question on that is does the gain on sale margin kind of hold up where it was and ...?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

It actually increased, Brett. And not only did we -- we're able to [multiple speakers] processing. We were also able to affect fees. So both of those aspects were able to bump up our gain on sale, and we’ve had a lot of fluctuation in rates. As you know 10-year bounced around and we’ve been able to hold on those rates and not have to come down when they drop. So that's where this team has worked very well and not to have to adjust rates down as they drop significantly on people’s commitments, we didn’t give into them in drop. So that's why our gain on sale margin held in there and was even actually better than last quarter.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

I guess my question is, is that going to hold going forward in terms of your gain on sale margin?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Yes, I don’t see any reasons. It's held for the last eight or nine quarters. It ought to continue to do so.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. And then you mentioned, Alan, that the loan pipeline looked pretty good for the back half of the year. Was just curious, what you're seeing in growth and then the opportunities that ...

Alan White

Analyst

Well I would tell you, 80% of our growth is coming in real estate and 20% is in C&I. And that's what we’re seeing and that's what’s in the marketplace.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. And then just lastly, I was curious about your views on the M&A environment currently, and if you guys have any authorize on that you'll be able to do support bank acquisition over the next few quarters?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Well, I think it's similar to what we’ve said for several quarters, but just we continue to pursue M&A opportunities and we’re actively evaluating several opportunities and, but at the same time being patient. And I think that we review the -- our excess capital, the primary purpose for it will be M&A.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for the color.

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Jesus Bueno of Compass Point.

Jesus Bueno

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Just very quickly, it was great to see such a strong quarter in mortgage banking even with a $6 million MSR market, so record quarter. Just in terms of taking market share, it looks like you did make meaningful progress in gaining market share in the purchase market. I guess, going forward have you brought on new loan officers or have you looked to bring on additional capacity to further improve market share, or I guess what are your ...

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

We’ve got 35 new loan officers on the work since first year. We’ve got six new branches -- now we’ve got 15 new branches since second quarter of last year. So yes we have spread out footprints. But you got to remember, when we’re running 79% purchase volume and the rest of the country is running 54%, we’re going to gain market share. And that's why we’d like to see these numbers go up because that's our bread and butter its purchase mortgages. And people are buying houses, and they like the rates.

Jesus Bueno

Analyst

Sounds pretty big [ph]. And just on the outlook for accretion, and could you have any -- I guess, since the guidance for next quarter, what to expect there?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Jesus, we’re expecting to stay in range of $15 million to $16 million a quarter for the next couple of quarters.

Jesus Bueno

Analyst

Okay, that's great. And lastly, just jumping back to insurance. So obviously it was -- year-over-year the loss ratio was down, but again last year was also a pretty bad season for storms and I know this year it started in March and like you said ended early. But I guess, my question is in terms of -- was there any bleed maybe from the first quarter into the second quarter that made that loss ratio higher given the fact that June was pretty benign. And just in terms of possible bleed into the third quarter, should we expect that or should we just expect that to revert back so that -- I guess, historically the insurance sale back would be profitable in 3Q?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Okay. So, we didn’t have any bleed into the second quarter from the first, didn’t have any adverse development to speak of. And we’re I think we hope and expect that we’ve contained the losses in the second quarter. And I think also that the -- because we said the early kind of start and into the spring season of storms, we had a really strong June. And so, we’d hope and expect from that, that we wouldn’t have any bleed into the third quarter. I think we’d have a real strong third quarter or remainder of the year.

Jesus Bueno

Analyst

Okay, great. I’d like to slip one more in. Just on provision, obviously the charge offs impacted this month's provision. But I guess, going forward, how should we think about provision just essentially kind of ex the one loan charge off this quarter, use that as kind of a run rate?

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

I think that would be good.

Jesus Bueno

Analyst

Great. I appreciate you taking my questions. Thank you.

Jeremy Ford

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Seeing no further questions, this will conclude today's conference call. We would like to thank the management team for their time today, and we thank you all for attending today's presentation. At this time you may disconnect the lines. Thank you, take care and have a great day everyone.