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Q1 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Sep 5, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Kenisha, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the H&R Block First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Mr. Derek Drysdale, Vice President of Investor Relations, sir, you may begin.

Derek Drysdale

Analyst

Thank you, Kenisha. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss our fiscal first quarter results. On the call with me today are Bill Cobb, our President and CEO; and Greg Macfarlane, our CFO. In conjunction with this call, we have posted today's press release and slide presentation on the Investor Relations website at hrblock.com. Some of the figures that we'll discuss today are presented on a non-GAAP basis. We've reconciled the comparable GAAP and non-GAAP figures in the schedule attached to our press release and in the appendix of today's slide presentation. Unless otherwise stated, please note that all growth rates discussed today refer to the first quarter of fiscal 2013 compared to the first quarter of fiscal 2012. Before we begin our prepared remarks, I'd like to remind everyone that this call will include forward-looking statements as defined under the securities laws. Such statements are based on current information and management's expectations as of this date and are not guarantees of future performance. Forward-looking statements involve certain risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict. And as a result, our actual outcomes and results could differ materially. You can learn more about these risks in our Form 10-K for fiscal 2012 and our other SEC filings. H&R Block undertakes no obligation to publicly update these risk factors or forward-looking statements. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Bill.

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thank you, Derek, and thanks to everyone for joining us on the call. I hope all of you had a great Labor Day weekend. During the second half of fiscal 2012, we completed a thorough review of our organization and made some very difficult decisions to reduce our cost structure and to drive efficiency. While our off-season results typically don't offer a lot of insight into our performance for the year given the seasonality of our business and that most of our revenues and earnings are generated in our fiscal fourth quarter, I'm pleased by the impact our cost-reduction initiatives have had to date. On an adjusted basis, our net loss from continuing operations improved by 6% to $105 million, primarily due to reduced operating costs. Greg will take you through our results later on the call, but this quarter's key takeaway is that we continue to believe our cost-reduction initiatives will add $85 million to $100 million of pretax earnings in fiscal 2013, leading to earnings and margin expansion. In addition to these initiatives, we've had several recent and positive developments. First, several weeks ago, we announced a new $1.5 billion 5-year committed line of credit agreement. The new agreement provides us significant financial flexibility and more closely aligns to our business needs. The prior agreements' net worth covenant and clean down requirements have been replaced in the new agreement with leverage and interest coverage tests, which better align with a consumer services company like ours. We also recently announced a significant milestone in the company's history. Our 200th consecutive quarterly dividend will be paid on October 1 to shareholders of record on September 14. Since Henry and Richard Bloch took the company public 50 years ago, the resiliency and consistency of our business has allowed us to generate…

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thanks, Bill, and good afternoon, everybody. Earlier today, we reported our adjusted net loss from continuing operations improved by 6% to $105 million, primarily due to reduction in labor, occupancy and other expenses driven by our cost-reduction initiatives. Our GAAP net loss per share from continuing operations of $0.38 was negatively impacted by $0.03 due to fewer shares outstanding in the current year and $0.01 by discrete adjustment to income tax reserves. We remain on pace with our cost-reduction targets, which we expect will add $85 million to $100 million of pretax earnings in fiscal 2013. Given the seasonality of our business, most of the savings we expect to realize from these initiatives will be back-end loaded during our fiscal third and fourth quarters. We expect approximately 2/3 of the savings to come from lower labor and occupancy costs, with the remainder coming from other expense categories. The total savings in fiscal 2013 should be relatively evenly distributed between cost of services and SG&A. It's important to note that the total pretax savings of $85 million to $100 million excludes any potential impact of variable expense growth, we should be reasonably inline with revenue growth. Ultimately, we believe we're well positioned to expand earnings and margins in fiscal 2013. We'll continue to update you on these cost-initiatives throughout the year. Turning to our segment results. Tax Services revenues were down 1% to $90 million. Last year, the Canadian tax season was extended by 2 extra days, which contributed $4 million of additional revenue in the first quarter of fiscal 2012. The segment's adjusted pretax loss improved by $9 million or 6% to $144 million, primarily due to reduction in labor, occupancy costs and other expenses driven by our cost initiatives. In Corporate, our pretax loss improved by 9% to $28…

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thanks, Greg. In conclusion, I'm very pleased with the progress we've made so far this year. We're on pace to achieve our cost-reduction targets, and we're finalizing our plans for the upcoming tax season. As next tax season quickly approaches, we continue to like our competitive position. We look forward to sharing our plans and outlook with you at our investor conference in New York on December 6. With that, we're now ready for questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Michael Millman with Millman Research -- I'm sorry, that question is from Thomas Allen with Morgan Stanley.

Thomas Allen - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

So one of your competitors talked about outsourcing their prepaid debit card business because possibility was worse than expected because of new regulations. Can you just talk about the Emerald Card? And how new regulations are impacting kind of your earnings there?

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

How the regulations are affecting our earnings, is that the question?

Thomas Allen - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes, on the Emerald Card.

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Well, I'll let -- I think, Greg, I'll just say something and then I'll let you participate. We are very committed to the Emerald Card. We think it's a great source of growth for us. We think it's a great service to our clients. We are one of the largest issuers in the country of general purpose reloadable cards. We issued almost 3 million last year, loaded almost $10 billion in deposits. So we are very committed to not only continuing to grow Emerald Cards, but managing it very appropriately. And then I'll turn it over to you, Greg, in terms of any earnings impact.

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes. I mean, our view is that we're -- I mean, currently we have a very successful program, I mean, at the top 3 programs in terms of the number of cards issued. And if you look at the amount of money that's loaded onto that, it's quite a substantial program. And as we develop our detailed plan here for this upcoming tax year, we're very bullish on the opportunity that, that program represents for us. Specific to regulations, I mean, we're obviously very aware of the things we need to be in compliance with, and we always use that as a starting point. But our goal is to deliver a product to our clients that meets their needs, and we always try to do better than that. And our current products, in terms of the rate structure, the fee structure, disclosures, have -- it's actually award-winning from many of the consumer groups that we've sort of showed it to. So I guess, I'm not specifically worried the regulatory issues that maybe our competitors are facing. But from our perspective, we think it's a great program and we feel really good about our position.

Thomas Allen - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

So you wouldn't expect any decline in margins in that business next year?

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

No, no. We're not really giving forward-looking forecast at this point in time...

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

In order we break out margin by line item like that. But I wouldn't anticipate in any -- anything. But like I said, we'll be -- give a fuller review of our entire plans in December.

Thomas Allen - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Okay. I think -- can you give us the losses associated with the Sand Canyon claims reviewed this quarter? I think you used to in the past, I just didn't see it this quarter.

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

So in the quarter, the validity rate was up 4.5%. We, as you well know, we review each put-back on a loan-by-loan basis. We are under our contract. Our contract, I should say, have a prescribed time in which to do that, and we're always diligent about doing that. And then once we've sort of reviewed that, the claim, which gives us validity rate, we then figure out the actual payment date, how much that is. And so is there more that you're looking for?

Thomas Allen - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

No. Yes, I mean, just the 4.5% validity rate's fine. I was looking for a number, but that's fine. And then just in terms of I know you said you're going to give more color on the capital allocation strategy in December. But can you just -- I mean can you say have you bought back any stock quarter-to-date? And just from modeling reasons, should we not expect any buyback, since maybe you've renegotiated the January 13 maturity?

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

So the year-to-date, we bought back $315 million worth of stock. It's about -- I think it's 21.3 million shares specifically. And then with regard to going forward, we are not going to get into when and how much we're going to purchase. Obviously, we have an authorization from our board. And obviously, during my time here, we bought back almost 12% of the shares of the stock. So I'd rather you judge us by our actions. But we're not going to commit to any time frame or say when we are or aren't going to look at stock buybacks. As you know we're continuing to protect the dividend as we have for the last 50 years.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer. Scott A. Schneeberger - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: I'll bulk [ph] around the horn a little bit. On the tax front, with the Sears reduction, could you guys give us perspective how many Sears stores you had been in? And then outside just across retailers, remind us where you are with Walmart and who else you may have relationships with. And then finally on this question, just your long-term strategy of dealing with retailers.

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer

Yes. I'll take Walmart first. Walmart last year, we're in about 250 stores. And while we're not ready to disclose the exact number that -- we're in discussions with Walmart right now, we will have an increase in those number of locations for fiscal '13. With regard to Sears, we're in about 500 Sears locations last year. We will be in 112 Sears stores. They were our highest volume, highest profitability stores. We will continue to maintain a presence there. We also have the opportunity in under 100 mall locations to also have a presence there. So they're in some ways additive. We're working on leases and the like. But like I said with regard to our ability to retain clients, which ultimately it is about client retention, we're confident that we've done this before and we know how to do that. And in effect, we're able to save money by reducing our footprint. And yet the win-win for us, in addition to the partnership with Sears, is that we're able to reduce costs in some of our less profitable stores, yet keep our best and brightest. Scott A. Schneeberger - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: Okay. Going to just capital structure, as I break you guys in the tax capital structure and put-back capital structure. The credit facility versus commercial paper, can you give us just what your preference is to use during this off-season and compare and contrast this year as to how soon you might tap into working capital borrowing in this off-season?

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer

So I think between the lines, are you sort of saying congratulations on getting the CLOC renewed? Scott, was that right? I think I heard that, but... Scott A. Schneeberger - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: That's implied. Nice job.

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer

Yes. I mean I do want to spend a minute on that, because it was a lot of work. It's a big number. A lot people here at H&R Block work quite hard to get there, and that was really the first step for us. And so I don't want to lose sight of that because the CLOC historically has been our backup liquidity source. And getting that taken care of at, I think, very favorable rates, and there's lots of details in the disclosure so you can read through that, was a big accomplishment. And it was also during the time line, which we outlined pretty much consistently, which I think is also worth noting. Specific to utilization commercial paper, that has been the traditional source of primary liquidity during the slow season. The slow season is typically 3, 4 months of the year. That's generally speaking kind of what we look at for the next season. In terms of maybe ultimately between the lines going forward, that's all tied up in how we may kind of go forward with our capital structure solution, which as I said before, we're not really prepared to get into right now. We'll share more details with you in December on that. Scott A. Schneeberger - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: Okay. And just I want to touch on the validity, again, on mortgage put backs. It's a very low number, the 4.5%. Could you just give us a feel for how that's trended over the past few quarters, years? And just speak to the most recent batch coming in. I mean, I know you haven't looked at it, but any additional color you care to share. That's an open question.

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer

Yes, Scott, In terms of the new batch, I mean, if you're referring to the $142 million that came in, in the first quarter of new put-backs, we don't comment on that in quarter. Our validity rated 4.5% has continued to decline over time. The 4.5% validity rate is pretty consistent with the last few quarters. I don't have the chart in front of me right now. But that's in line with what we've been seeing over the last 3 or 4 quarters. So that would be a more consistent pattern right now.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Mike Turner with Compass Point. Michael Turner - Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, Research Division: Just a follow-up, I don't know, Bill or Greg, just on the financial products, I know one of your competitor will be more aggressively advertising around product. Is there any new products that you might have this year to come back at or other new products? And then also on the Emerald Card, I know in the past there were some thoughts maybe to expand the usage of that, to get clients to use that outside of tax season. Could there be a greater push to find other avenues in retailers? Are there any themes there or plans to develop those products?

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Mike Turner with Compass Point

So let me take those, and, Greg, if you want to join in. With regard to the competitors with RALs, et cetera, we anticipate that some of them may offer RALs through nonbank lenders to the extent that they offer RALs, any competitors, we think they're going to be only on a limited basis and through a narrow segment of consumers. So we don't look for this to be a big initiative. I mean, obviously, we'll continue to evaluate the market, respond to our clients' needs. But at this point, I would anticipate a similar season that -- relatively low impact from RALs. With regard to Emerald Card, stay tuned. But I think we do have Susan Ehrlich and her team in financial services are hard at work at driving, not only increased number of cards, but increased card usage. So I wouldn't comment specifically on retailer partnerships. But look for us, that will be a stated objective of ours to increase that.

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Mike Turner with Compass Point

And the best way for you to kind of get a real, sort of live -- a real-time example to what functional rarity of card is to get one for yourself and all your friends and family too, please. But you'll -- and there already have been over the summer some enhancements to that product, and that's just the beginning of a very methodical plan that Susan and the team have developed. And we look forward to sharing that with more detail in December. Michael Turner - Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, Research Division: Great. And another question that probably comes up all the time that I'll -- or every year you probably get asked. Is there any ability to relook at your offices and maybe try and find some cost saves on a seasonal basis? Or is that -- I know it's hard to close them in the off-season and -- or at least shut them down and find other usage for them. But is that something that you beat that dead horse? And -- or are there -- is there a new playbook that you're willing to brush off?

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Mike Turner with Compass Point

I mean, the footprint is something that we look at on a continuous basis. That narrow reports into Greg's group. And so we will not only look at are we sized appropriately with our 10,000-plus touch points in the retail business. We're very pleased with the mix we have between company and our partners, our franchisees. So at this point, it's one of those things where we decided to reduce by about 200 branches this year. We decided to take the initiative with Sears. We're actually expanding in Walmart. So it's something that's very dynamic in a process that we looked at. We're looking really to just optimize on a continuous basis, whether we would do anything unseasonal, et cetera. I wouldn't say we have any plans in place for that. But obviously; anything's on the table. And great thing about having somebody like Greg here is he brings some fresh eyes to a very experienced team that looks at it. So we're having a good dialogue on that. But I think it's consistent with what we've been doing. I don't know if you have anything to add.

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Mike Turner with Compass Point

After 90 days, I guess the only major conclusion I've got is the word optimize, that Bill uses the right word. I don't think it's the right thing for the company to dramatically move one direction or another. They've got a great retail footprint. They have a very good understanding of the economics behind that and for us to bring more rigor and more analysis to that's probably what we're focused on. But to me, that's just results in more optimization than any substantial changes.'s

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And you do have a question from the line of Michael Millman with Millman Research.

Michael Millman - Millman Research Associates

Analyst · Michael Millman with Millman Research

I guess starting from the back. I think in the past, here we said that Walmart was the least profitable tax-preparation business. Maybe you could talk a little bit about why that may change. Secondly, can you give us some ideas as to why -- or what your ideas have been as to why the free RAC didn't work last year? Competition, was it poorly done? Market doesn't care? Other reasons? And thirdly, historically, your processes always taught us that when they're -- you can show optimism in the season by increased losses in the first quarter. And it looks like in fact your first quarter, when you make all the adjustments, was kind of flattish, maybe was down, but certainly the loss wasn't higher.

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Michael Millman with Millman Research

So let me take the free RAC. I think just to be clear on free RAC, it was a success in the sense that we've got a lot more Emerald Cards into people's hands. We've got a lot more deposits on the free RAC. I don't think it was a financial success because it was really an attachment product. It wasn't a traffic-driving product -- is in simple form why we believe we shouldn't repeat it. But it did have some benefits and it also gave us a competitive entry during the last year of RALs. As far as losses in Q1, Greg?

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Michael Millman with Millman Research

Yes. So obviously, Mike, I can't comment historically what the management team was communicating. It's not a word, the details. But our first quarter, we gave you kind of the quick variance. But the one thing I was watching for very carefully was did we, in terms of the actual numbers, see the benefits of project when they come through. So when we look at line item by line item, national expense account by national expense account, headcount, costs, computation of benefits, the real estate footprint, some of the IT costs, did we actually see it come through, and we did. And that's why we reinforced the $85 million to $100 million is we know at a macro level, at the project management level, it's executing. We also can see it in the financial. So you get that benefit because we shared that plan with you before. I think part of -- implicit, I would guess in your comment is the ramping up of investment, getting ready for the next season. I would say that my kind of observation is that there was a very specific plan that we've got that we're working through coming out of last tax season. We spent a lot of the summer talking in detail what that looks like. We're now executing that. I mean, we're not giving any guidance here, but we feel really pretty good about going into season about a lot of things that's under way, and we'll share more details with you in December.

Michael Millman - Millman Research Associates

Analyst · Michael Millman with Millman Research

Okay. And there was also the Walmart question.

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Michael Millman with Millman Research

Could you repeat the Walmart question, Mike? I'm sorry.

Michael Millman - Millman Research Associates

Analyst · Michael Millman with Millman Research

In the past you've said that the Walmart business was your least profitable business, the least profitable tax business. But maybe you can talk about what kind of things you may be doing to increase the profit? Or is there some other reasons to be in it? Promotion, for example.

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Michael Millman with Millman Research

Yes. I think the biggest reason why we want to expand this year was we found it as a great source of new clients for us last year, and that's really what our focus would be. I think we manage our expenses very well. We don't disclose specific channel profitability. But I think that you can look at our expansion with Walmart as really a drive to pick up a growth in new clients. So that would be, to me, the strategic rationale for the expansion of Walmart.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Amanda Lynam with Goldman Sachs.

Amanda Rae Lynam - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Amanda Lynam with Goldman Sachs

I was just hoping that you could give us a reminder on what exactly you believe the statute of limitations to be that is affecting the Sand Canyon loans to give us some perspective on how those '05, '06, '07 vintages might be affected? Is it 5, 6, 7 years? And then just going back to the validity rate just 1 more time, I think historically that validity rate had been as high as I want to say in the teens percentage range. And so what is the driver of the decline in the validity rate? Is it simply that you are seeing claims that you don't believe were as strong as those that were submitted earlier in the cycle? And if that is the case, is that due to behavior on the trustee side? Or just any color would be helpful from that end.

William C. Cobb

Analyst · Amanda Lynam with Goldman Sachs

Okay. I'll take a shot at it, and then, Greg, if you want to add anything. So first of all, with regard to statute of limitations, the stated answer is for a contractual claim to enforce a rep and warranty obligation is generally 6 years. It can be shorter depending on the law of the state where the event occurs. Sand Canyon believes that the limitation period runs from the applicable closing date of the sale loan. So unless -- and frankly, there's limited case law on this issue. But generally, in our conversations and that Sand Canyon has had with counterparties, it's generally believed that 6 years is the proper way to look at this. With regard to validity rate, I believe the first put-back back in 2008 was the highest validity rate at 15%. That validity rate has come down over the last 4.5 years to where it's generally been the last few quarters, as I said earlier, in the 4%, 4.5% range. Now Sand Canyon does not comment on why we think because again back to what Greg said earlier, Sand Canyon's approach is Sand Canyon no longer originates mortgages, Sand Canyon no longer services mortgages. So if there are valid or a belief that there are valid claims, then each, we'll -- we, Sand Canyon will review loan file by loan file, and make a determination. There's not a stated objective. It's done on a loan-file-by-loan-file basis. And obviously, we report out from Sand Canyon what the validity rate happens to be, and it has been in that range. Speculation as to why the quality has declined in terms of valid put-back claims, I probably wouldn't speculate at this point because as I said it will go, if you will, $150,000 mortgage at a time and see what the particular issue is there. I don't know if you have anything to add, Greg.

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Amanda Lynam with Goldman Sachs

No.

Operator

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time.

Derek Drysdale

Analyst

All right. Everyone, thank you for joining us. We appreciate your time, and please follow-up with us, Investor Relations, if you have any follow-up questions. Thank you. Have a good night.

Gregory J. Macfarlane

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.