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Hudson Pacific Properties, Inc. (HPP)

Q3 2013 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 4, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Hudson Pacific Properties Third Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ms. Kay Tidwell, Executive Vice President and General Counsel. Thank you, Ms. Tidwell, you may begin.

Kay L. Tidwell

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Hudson Pacific Properties' Third Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. With us today are the company's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Victor Coleman and Chief Financial Officer, Mark Lammas. Howard Stern, the company's President, is also available to answer questions. Before I hand the call over to them, please note that on this call, certain information presented contains forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Potential risks and uncertainties that could cause the company's business and financial results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements are described in the company's periodic reports filed with the SEC from time to time. All information discussed on this call is as of today, November 4, 2013, and Hudson Pacific does not intend, and undertakes no duty, to update future events or circumstances. In addition, certain of the financial information presented in this call represents non-GAAP financial measures. The company's earnings release, which was released this afternoon and is available on the company's website, presents reconciliations to the appropriate GAAP measure and an explanation of why the company believes such non-GAAP financial measures are useful to investors. And now, I'd like to turn the call over to Victor Coleman, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Hudson Pacific. Victor?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

Thank you, Kay, and welcome everyone to our third quarter 2013 conference call. This past quarter was another important chapter in the growth of our company. I'm very pleased that during the third quarter we successfully closed our previously announced acquisition of the approximate 836,000 square foot office portfolio in Seattle. As I mentioned on our last call, this high-quality portfolio gives us meaningful presence in the region, with a significant foothold in the top submarkets in Downtown Seattle. Also during the quarter, we completed the previously announced disposition of our City Plaza property and used the proceeds from the disposition towards the acquisition of the Seattle portfolio pursuant to a like-kind exchange under the Internal Revenue Code Section 1031. Third quarter leasing activity remained active. In addition to the 43,122 square feet of new and renewal leases that we executed at our office properties during the quarter, we also successfully negotiated a 12-year lease with Deluxe Entertainment Services Inc., a leading provider of services and technology for the global digital media and entertainment industry, for our entire 63,400 square foot 3401 Exposition Boulevard property in Santa Monica, California. This lease was executed on October 22, 2013, a mere 5 months following our acquisition of this exceptional renovation property. As you may recall, we completed the acquisition of 3401 Exposition Boulevard during the second quarter for $24.7 million. Situated at the corner of Exposition Boulevard and Centinela Avenue in the heart of the Olympic Media Corridor, 3401 Exposition is currently undergoing a full base-building redevelopment. The structure has been stripped to its core framing and has been structurally reinforced. Significant upgrades include, new exterior facades, a new roof, and new mechanical and electrical systems. The renovation process is on schedule and on budget and is expected to be complete by…

Mark T. Lammas

Analyst

Thank you, Victor. Funds from operations, excluding specified items, for the 3 months ended September 30, 2013 totaled $14 million or $0.24 per diluted share, compared to FFO, excluding specified items, of $10.5 million or $0.21 per share a year ago. The specified items for the third quarter of 2013 consisted of expenses associated with the acquisition of our office portfolio in Seattle, Washington of $500,000 or $0.01 per diluted share. Specified items for the third quarter of 2012 consisted of expenses associated with the acquisition of the Element LA campus in West Los Angeles of $500,000 or $0.01 per diluted share. FFO, including the specified items, totaled $13.5 million or $0.23 per diluted share for the 3 months ended September 30, 2013, compared to $10.1 million or $0.20 per share a year ago. Net loss attributable to common shareholders was $5.7 million or $0.10 per diluted share for the 3 months ended September 30, 2013, compared to net loss of $3.4 million or $0.07 per diluted share for the same period a year ago. Turning our combined operating results. For the third quarter of 2013, total revenue from continuing operations increased 31.5% to $53.3 million from $40.6 million a year ago. Total operating expenses from continuing operations increased 33.7% to $48.2 million from $36 million for the same quarter a year ago. As a result, income from operations increased 14.1% to $5.2 million for the third quarter of 2013, compared to income from operations of $4.5 million for the same quarter a year ago. I will discuss the primary reasons for the increases in total revenue and total operating expenses in connection with our segment operating results. Interest expense during the third quarter increased 62.2% to $7.3 million, compared to interest expense of $4.5 million for the same quarter…

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

Thanks so much Mark. Our third quarter was highly productive, marked by the closing of key strategic acquisitions, the successful disposition and important progress on our redevelopment and development projects. We appreciate, as usual, your continued support of Hudson Pacific Properties, and we look forward to updating you on our progress again next quarter. Now operator, we will open the call for any questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Craig Mailman of KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Craig Mailman - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Victor, on the -- getting the kind of the public permits you guys need on the potential studio development, to get started in 4Q of '14, how much pre-leasing would you need? Are you talking to tenants? Kind of what do you guys envision there on potential spend?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

So Craig, thanks for calling in. We are fully entitled, and we have permits right now. We're going through working drawings. And after we announced that we were fully entitled, we received a lot of activity from tenants that are looking at the same sort of calendar timeframe where our occupancy can come into play. We've got 2 unsolicited tenants at 50,000 feet and greater that are looking right now. So I don't know if I have a specific number that says, we needed to be pre-leased at x, but 25% to 40% range for us to be pre-leased I think is what Mark and I have talked to you about. That's the comfort level right now.

Mark T. Lammas

Analyst

And then Craig, on the spend, we're right around $400 a foot before land or financing cost.

Craig Mailman - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay, what type of yield would you guys be looking at for this type of development?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

Stabilized yield is like an 8.5%.

Craig Mailman - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then just moving over to Santa Monica. How did that lease come in relative to underwriting?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

So we achieved, I think it's about $0.10 or $0.15 a foot per month. I think we underwrote it at 3 15 [ph], and I think we did the deal at 3 35 [ph] , net. That's net.

Craig Mailman - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then just lastly, I mean, you guys touched on, you guys are 95% leased or over that. You really don't have many expirations through '14, even a little bit beyond that. I mean your biggest year is going to be in 2017. Kind of what's the catalyst from here? What are you guys seeing in terms of value-add acquisitions that will give you just more product to lease?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

So we currently -- I mean, listen, as you well know, you've followed us since the beginning, we've sort of went like 60-40 stabilized to a value-add, then we sort of shifted to a 50-50 model on the acquisition of new assets, and now with, I think, our future development opportunities coming in late '14 development and then we have another project that were on the books for late '15, probably 12 months thereafter. Just stuff that we are looking at now, and that we're seeing the market is much more value-add since the portfolio is relatively stable, and we haven't brought it online yet, the development projects that we're currently working on or the value-add projects that we have in our ownership.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Brendan Maiorana of Wells Fargo.

Brendan Maiorana - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Victor or Howard, of the 1 million square feet of tours [ph] at Element LA, can you give us a sense of, maybe a little bit more of what the -- how likely it is that you get some tenant signed sometime over the next couple of quarters? And maybe what your view is for when that project is likely to stabilize.

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

Well, we've got pretty stable activity right now in the portfolio in all our markets in general. But specifically to Element, we've got 3 tenants that are looking at substantially a fair amount of the space. And so we are pretty confident that our team is in conversations with multiple tenants right now, where we can lease up that asset. In terms of stabilization, this is a huge project. We'll be done with the parking structure first quarter, maybe late first quarter, early second quarter of '14. We'll be done with the majority of the capital improvement work on the Bundy stuff late second quarter of '14, and then the second building probably sometime around summer of '14. We could stabilize, my guess is, if the activity continues at the feverish rate that it is currently right now, early '15 fully stabilized. And I'm hopeful that we'll have a lot of lease negotiations sometime in the next several months.

Brendan Maiorana - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

And do you feel good about the rent levels given -- and can we look at the 3401 deal as any kind of proxy for rents that you're likely to get at Element?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

So typically what we did is, we underwrote initially for Element. And this is still on per square foot per month, triple net number was $3.25. And I think we are talking about substantially higher than that, where the market has moved and the quality of the portfolio and the tenant mix that we're looking at there. And so I would not look to the 3801 (sic) [3401] deal as a benchmark. I think we're going to be higher than that.

Brendan Maiorana - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then for Mark, the capital dropped off, the capital spend dropped off a lot this quarter. Is that more just a timing-related and can you kind of give us an update on, if we look to the major capital projects between 1455, 901, Rincon and maybe Element and 3401, kind of what's left to spend that you know you're going to spend on those projects?

Mark T. Lammas

Analyst

Yes, it's timing, right? I mean, it tends to come in a bit lumpy. On the spend for the balance of 2013, we have construction financing and other financings that lift a lot of this load, but right now the total net spend, including fourth quarter dividends, but with TIs and CapEx and everything, it's somewhere about $60 million for the balance of the year. I don't know if that will -- all of that will make it in before the end of the year, but that's what's budgeted and then for 2014, it tapers off quite a bit and it's closer to about $50 million for 2014.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from Vance Edelson of Morgan Stanley.

Vance H. Edelson - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

Back on the Deluxe lease, could you just walk us through the back and forth in negotiating when it came to lease duration versus the rate. Were you able to get a longer term by offering a lower rate? Or if you can't answer specifically for 1 tenant, maybe just tell us what the overall market environment is like in that regard? Is that the type of negotiation you're having? Or is pricing power such that you really don't have to give up much now?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

Vance, thanks for the question. This is Victor. So on that deal, we had multiple tenants looking at it. It's a very unique asset because it was -- we always marketed that asset as 100% occupied, single-tenant asset. It's a creative office to its fullest extent. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, this is completely gutting the space and having an open indoor or outdoor space and full utilization. We didn't have to give up, as I mentioned earlier, rate. We pushed rate from our initial underwriting and up to $0.20 off what we started with. We got annual increases. We pushed term on this as well. This is a 12-year term. It was initially a 7-year term, and we pushed it to 12. We got increases across the way. The only thing that is still required for something like this is free rent. We did have to give up free rent, but the overall yield is substantially higher than when we initially underwrote it at. And I think the TIs are lower than what we initially looked at. I think our going-in yield is still much higher than we originally anticipated here. So I think I'm going off of memory, but you can -- Mark can verify this. I think it was like underwriting, somewhere, stabilized 7.25%, and I think we ended up getting an 8-plus on this thing.

Mark T. Lammas

Analyst

That's right.

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

So it worked out to be a good deal in that form and function. And just in general, as I was saying, to have a single tenant asset in Santa Monica, the demand is pretty high in the tenant marketplace, for something like -- for somebody to control their own destiny. It's also right across the street from the light rail line, so the public transportation access is going to be phenomenal.

Vance H. Edelson - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. That's very helpful color. And then maybe for Mark, what are you seeing most recently in terms of interest rates? You had the loan from Union Bank in late July at LIBOR plus 155 and a couple of weeks later with Wells Fargo, a little bit higher. What kind of rates do you think we'd be looking at today?

Mark T. Lammas

Analyst

Yes, so on a stable -- we saw the floating rate market really pickup sort of on the heels of rate volatility following March 20 -- May 21. And I mean, we're not actively pricing a loan right now, but I think on stabilized product, you could expect to see pricing right around that. For floating rate debt, right around that LIBOR 155 to 160. And obviously, the asset's set up differently, but that pricing probably still holds. I don't think that -- if anything, rates have come in a bit since we were last in the market looking at fixed-rate financing. So hard to say for sure, but the last fixed-rate financing we did came in just shy of 4%. I think if you were going to price a stabilized asset in the fixed-rate market, my guess is you'd be somewhere in the low-4s.

Operator

Operator

And the next question is from Jamie Feldman of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

James C. Feldman - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

I was hoping you could talk about what you're seeing across the L.A. submarkets in terms of rent growth. I guess on a net effective basis, where are you seeing rents really start to move and where are they not moving so much?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

Well, I imagine -- first of all, so let's sort of take it -- it is sort of the haves and the have-nots. I mean, the marketplaces that my prepared remarks were sort of referring to or the sub stuff that we're in. And so we've seen overall rent growth. And you can take the quarter, right, Santa Monica, West LA, Brentwood, Westwood, Century City, Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, Hollywood. In that quarter, you've seen rent growth consistently quarter-over-quarter. And most recently, I mean, those markets have really supported and fueled the overall rent growth, which I think I referred to as like 2.4% over the last 12 months, but that's the greater area. Those markets you are seeing a much higher rent growth. And it's just indicative of the leases that we're doing and the activity that we're seeing on our space. That -- the lack of space that we currently have, of the space that we have that's vacant. I mean, it's 2.5% to 3% a quarter growth for at least the last 3 or 4 quarters and maybe even more so. So specific to those markets, if you go outside those marketplaces and you go to the West San Fernando Valley. You go to -- you go south even past Playa Vista, Culver City, all the way down to Orange County. You don't have that kind of rent growth. And you don't have that kind of activity and the vacancy factors have obviously being altered. So there is really the haves and the have-nots. I am optimistic of the tenant mix and the activity, and where we're seeing growth that we're going to continue to see that in these markets. And people who are looking to move realize that there's a lack of product. I mean, as you well know, the number of new startup commercial office sites for new sites even on the Westside, all the way through Hollywood is at all-time low. When you typically have a 2% to 4% of the product coming online, you got sub-1%. And we've had that, less than 0.5% for several years now. So I'm still pretty optimistic on the rent growth.

James C. Feldman - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then I guess sticking with the supply story. How are you thinking about competitor supply in Hollywood? It seems like there's a lot going up. Where does your product fit in of what's leased and what you're thinking about building?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

I think our product's the best. I may have to say that, right? So I think our product relative to the marketplace, there's some pretty good projects out there. We're very optimistic of what we're seeing. We're very optimistic of what the market is out there in terms of the demand. The demands are very, very high. I do think that you got 2 other projects that are commercial, but most of the fact out there is residential that you're seeing. And that's where -- I mean, you drive out there. The number of cranes, it's almost exploding for residential development. It's got to be, per capita, the most cranes at anywhere else in the country where you're seeing that development and virtually all of it is residential with the exception of 2 other projects, ours and 2 others. So there is a lot of room in that marketplace. And there's a lot of tenant demand and expansion and primarily revolving around media and social media and entertainment.

James C. Feldman - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then just thinking about Seattle, what's the acquisition pipeline look like there? And then how do you feel about your investment firepower today, just the capital you could put to work without having to raise any more?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

So listen, the Seattle marketplace, as I mentioned, is extremely strong right now and the activity and growth of some of the core companies in terms of ground job growth there is at an all-time high. The demand for the high-quality labor force is at an all-time high. I think we see some pretty interesting value-add market deals that are going to help mix in the portfolio in the specific areas we're looking at and help us look at those deals accretively throughout the portfolio. In terms of our powder and ability to acquire those kind of deals, those are average-size deals and I'm comfortable at the ability of our balance sheet and our credit facility that we can get a couple of these things done on a very comforting level. And I think we're seeing some pretty interesting opportunities. And the business plan that we set out at the beginning of this year is really coming to fruition.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Rich Anderson of BMO Capital Markets.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

So on Seattle, just to follow-up on that, what was the impact on guidance from the deal being that you bought it at a sub-5 lease initially, realizing there's upside, but what was the weight relative to the increasing guidance that you have announced today?

Mark T. Lammas

Analyst

Right. So we closed on it on July 31, and when you factor in the borrowing associated with it, the impact on full year 2013 guidance of just Seattle plus the debt associated was about $0.03. The -- just to be sort of complete about the explanation though Rich, we sold City Plaza, right, and deployed proceeds from City Plaza. So City Plaza accounted for about $0.02 before it was sold so the net impact of the Seattle acquisition on the full year guidance was about a net of $0.01 impact.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

$0.01 positive?

Mark T. Lammas

Analyst

Positive, yes.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Positive?

Mark T. Lammas

Analyst

Positive, yes, right, because of the $0.03. Yes, because of the financing, right.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

And then, when you look at those 3 assets, if I were to pecking order them, I guess first in King, one; Met Park, two; and then the suburban asset, three. What is your interest level in building a portfolio in the Seattle suburbs?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

Right now, we're focused -- our intention is to primarily focus on your pecking order 1 and 2.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Is that something that you turn around and sell, I guess, right?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

You mean the third asset?

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Yes, the Northview Center.

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

I mean, yes, we would entertain selling that probably I think after a stabilized hold of 24 months.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Right. This is pre [indiscernible] guideline [ph] , I guess right?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

Correct, yes.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

In terms of San Francisco, would you say now that the kind of the special investing opportunity is almost entirely gone there?

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

No, I don't think so. Listen, I think the office market fundamentals are still relatively very healthy and the strong tenant demand. As I mentioned, I mean there's a series of large tenants out there looking to find a home. I do think that the number of deals we've seen has gone down, but a lot of that marketplace has traded hands in the last 2 to 4 years, so to speak. So those guys aren't going to necessarily sell those assets. I think we're still seeing though, Rich, at the end of the day, some pretty interesting assets. And I think you've got to be very disciplined in your ability to buy those assets. The opportunities are nowhere near where they were, but I still think we're going to be active there.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Okay. And then just on guidance, you mentioned media entertainment's outperformance was a component to that. Yet, you had the whole Dexter thing. Is that more or less just a reversal of a conservative expectation you had going into the quarter.

Mark T. Lammas

Analyst

I don't think that's an unfair way of looking at it. We did reset guidance on after the Seattle deal and looked at where we thought media was going to perform for the balance of the year. And our revised guidance reflects what is basically a $0.01 better performance for Q3 than we had forecasted for that quarter. And I don't know that you would say it's conservative. It's rather that we did the best we can to forecast absorption of the stages and we did really well on those stage absorption.

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

And just one more note because I concur with Mark, except you have to remember, it was nonseasonal when they left. They extended beyond the season timeframe, therefore, the gap was a non-nominal season where we didn't have access to the shows and the flow of shows that typically come in spring, which is normal. They left later. And so as a result of that, we didn't know we could have that kind of activity and it was just a pleasant surprise.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

And then my last question, Victor, a lot of occupancy up, market rent's up, good leasing statistics as you often report, but where do you think the bottom 10% -- 5% or 10% of the portfolio is today? And where you might be looking now that City Plaza is gone? You might be looking to trim or maybe you're not in the market to be a big time seller at this point.

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

I mean, listen, I think as you know our portfolio relatively well, the fortunate thing about our current portfolio is that we have -- our roll up is substantially in almost every single asset in the portfolio. So at least it's roll. Even though we have a little amount of leasing to do, they're all rolling up. And so I don't think there's anything glaring in the portfolio that we're going to sort of trim at the end of the day. I mean, maybe if we were to look at an asset that you were sort of holding my feet to the fire a little bit, I'd say, San Diego, because that asset has stabilized. I'm not so sure we can get a lot more juice out of that at the end of the day. But I don't think there's anything really standing in the portfolio that says, hey, we got to trim it for us to take advantage of where the market is. There's still a lot more juice in the existing portfolio on a roll up basis. And so we're pretty comfortable with the way we've sort of outlined the portfolio as it sits.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions in the queue at this time. I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Coleman for closing remarks.

Victor J. Coleman

Analyst

Great. Thank you so much for participating this quarter. And we look forward to chatting with you all again next quarter. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.