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Hope Bancorp, Inc. (HOPE)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 18, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Hope Bancorp Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Angie Yang, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Angie Yang

Analyst

Thank you, Steven. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for the Hope Bancorp 2018 second quarter investor conference call. We will be using a slide presentation to accompany our discussion this morning. If you have not done so already, please visit the Presentations page of our Investor Relations website to download a copy of the presentation. Or if you’re listening into the webcast, you should be able to view the slides from your computer screen as we progress through the presentation. Beginning on Slide 2, I would like to begin with a brief statement regarding forward-looking remarks. The call today may contain forward-looking projections regarding the future financial performance of the Company and future events. These statements are based on current expectations, estimates, forecast, projections and management’s assumptions about the future performance of the Company as well as the businesses and markets in which the Company does and is expected to operate. These statements constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are not guarantees of future performance. Actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed or forecasted in such forward-looking statements. We refer you to the documents the Company files periodically with the SEC as well as the Safe Harbor statements in our press release issued yesterday. Hope Bancorp assumes no obligation to revise any forward-looking projections that may be made on today’s call. The Company cautions that the complete financial results to be included in the Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2018 could differ materially from the financial results being reported today. In addition, some of the information referenced on this call today are non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our 2018 second quarter earnings release for the reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures. Now as usual, we have allotted one hour for this call. Presenting from the management side today will be Kevin Kim, Hope Bancorp’s President and CEO; and Alex Ko, our Chief Financial Officer; Chief Credit Officer, Peter Koh is also here with us today and will participate in the Q&A session. With that, let me turn the call over to Kevin Kim. Kevin?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Thank you, Angie. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today. Let's begin with Slide 3. We delivered a solid quarter highlighted by strong well diversified balance sheet growth. We continue to manage through a highly competitive market for deposit gathering while also continuing to invest in the infrastructure necessary to support a nearly $15 billion dollar institution. Also these factors pressured our bottom line results although we were still able to produce a significant increase in earnings per share and level of returns compared with the same period in 2017. We generated $47.5 million in net income during the second quarter, an increase of 17% over the prior year period. On an EPS basis, we reported $0.36 per diluted share, an increase of 20% year ago second quarter. Our earnings were lower relative to the preceding first quarter of 2018 primarily due to the positive impact we had last quarter from an increase in an equity investment. During the second quarter, we also successfully executed on a capital management strategy that created additional value for our shareholders. We issued $217.5 million in convertible notes, $100 million of the proceeds was allocated to a stock repurchase program, while the remainder was utilized to build capital at the bank level and reduce our non-owner occupied CRE concentration by approximately 29 percentage points to 319% of our total risk-based capital as of June 30, 2018. After evaluating all of our financing alternatives, we determined that the convertible offering coupled with the buyback provided the most attractive financing terms and financial flexibility. The cost of convertible was lower than straight debt and it provided an opportunity to consummate a meaningful share buyback in connection with the issuance. Moreover, we were able to repurchase the shares concurrently with the convertible issuance with…

Alex Ko

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin. As I review our financial results, I will limit my discussion to just some of the more significant items in the quarter. Beginning on Slide 6, I will start with our net interest income which increased by $2.8 million compared with the preceding first quarter. This was due to our higher levels of earning assets as well as higher yields on those assets. Our net interest margin declined by 5 basis points to 3.61%, the decline was almost entirely due to the interest expense incurred on the convertible debt issued during the quarter. Aside from this impact our margin was relatively stable, as the increase in our yield on the earning assets essentially offset the impact of higher deposit costs. The effect of purchase accounting adjustments on our margin was essentially the same as the preceding quarter. Excluding purchase accounting estimates, our average yield on loans increased 13 basis points to 4.84% from the preceding quarter. As we are seeing the benefit of the re-pricing in our variable-rate portfolio, the higher average loan yields essentially offset a 15 basis point increase in our average cost of deposits to 1.06%. The increase in our average cost of deposit reflects the impact of fed rate increases as well as an increase in time deposits within our overall mix of deposits. We anticipate seeing a further increase in average loan yields in the third quarter, resulting from the re-pricing of our variable-rate loans following the rate increase in June. We expect that this increase in average loan yields will substantially offset an increase in our cost of deposits and a full quarter impact of the convertible interest expense. As a result, we expect that our margin for the third quarter to be relatively stable. Now, before moving onto a discussion…

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Thank you, Alex. Looking ahead to the remainder of 2018, we expect to see a continuation of many of the positive trends we have since through the first half of the year. Our loan pipeline remains strong and we expect the mix of production to remain fairly consistent. With healthy levels of increases in our earning assets and yields, we believe we can keep our net interest margin relatively stable despite higher deposit costs. While the additional investments we are making in our organizations will temporarily keep us at a higher efficiency ratio that our longer term target of mid-40s. We believe the revenue growth generated from our larger balances sheet will lead to even greater earnings growth in the coming years. We expect to continue to produce a more diversified business mix. We will also continue to be proactive with our capital management strategies to further enhance the value of our franchise. Our board and management's confidence in executing our long-term growth strategies as one of the leading Asian-American banks in the country is underscored by the increasing our quarterly cash dividend announced yesterday afternoon our six consecutive annual increase. With that, let's open up the call to answer any questions you may have. Operator, please open up the call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Aaron Deer with Sandler O’Neill & Partners. Please go ahead.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

I guess I'd like to direct my first question toward Alex. I'd like to get some color on your margin guidance. The new loan production this quarter came on at 479, sounds like that the incremental deposits on it came on at 2 or a little higher that the spread between those two numbers is obviously below where your core margin is today. So, I was hoping if you could talk a bit about some of the balance sheet dynamics particularly in terms of what percentage of loans will re-price higher and I'd say less than 30 days? And also in terms of the new production, what percentage of those are variable rate?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Sure. Net interest margin as you mentioned, it is a function of the positive as well as the loan. The forecast for the net interest margin, as I indicated on the prepared remarks, we'd expect to have a stable. The reason for that is we do have about 45% of our portfolio is variable rate loans, in terms of dollar amount of 5.2 billion will be re-priced as the market rate we set. However, as we know, there is a regular pay-off and all those things and also additional loans that we originate. We have a loan origination for the long entire about like a 4.8% and excluding the accretion impact, the existing portfolio of the loan is above 4.8%. So going forward, we would expect to have additional loan replacement of the payoff will be at a 4.8% of the higher level, so it will help in addition to their existing variable rate loan to be re-priced as the market rate increase it. Related to the deposit side as we have noticed in the last two quarters specifically second quarter, we did have experienced of higher deposit cost. Our beta for the interest bearing deposit was a about 80% in the second quarter and then compared to Q1 about 56%. So, we didn't see the increase on the deposit cost, but we also didn’t see the loan data increase in last quarter of 22%, this quarter to 48%. However, the deposit beta exceeded loan beta, and I would expect to continue to see how your beta for those deposit cost given the competition and other lease this year. However, we have a very strong loan growth with the balanced the mix, so that increase on the earning assets will offset all our most of the deposit cost increases as well as convertible of that additional impact. We have about 4.6% effective interest rate on the convertible which will have about 7 basis point impact on the margin, but we will expect that includes on the earnings asset yield and the volume will be able to offset for both deposit and the convertible additional costs going forward.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

And then maybe for Peter, in the prepared remarks, I think Alex or Kevin rather had mentioned the syndicated credits contributed to the production in the quarter. Peter, can you give a sense of how much of the production in the second quarter was syndicated credits and maybe what the nature of those are in terms of commercial real estate versus C&I? And are you guys the originators in that or you’re participating with other banks?

Peter Koh

Analyst

We did have about -- roughly about a 140 million in syndicated loans. I think they were pretty much well diversified in a lot of different industries and I think majority are participated out. So, we're slowly getting into the lead administrator vault and most of them are participations.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

And then last one maybe, Kevin. It sounds like you were still a little active with the share repurchases here early in the third quarter. What are your thoughts in terms of using what's left on your under buyback authorization?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

I think we will be able to complete the repurchase before the end of the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris McGratty with KBW. Please go ahead.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

Kevin in your question on the efficiency ratio, just want to make sure I heard you guys appropriately. You guys have been walking that a little bit higher in recent quarters due to some investments. I think this quarter you talked about some hires in IT and audit, but I am looking back at last quarter you've talked about potentially some declines in professional fees and I think now we’re seeing a little bit higher in professional fees, if I heard that. I am interested in kind of what’s really changed? And if I am getting the message right that there’s some more maybe regulatory spend that’s required or just kind of investments now that you’re kind of through the 10 billion, just added color would be great?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

Well, I think most of the new professional fees that we first started to explain this quarter are more offensive in nature than defensive. We -- about a few quarters back, we said that the majority of the extra cash that will be coming from the tax cuts will be used to enhance the shareholder value and also will be utilized to enhance the capabilities of the institution. And with the addition of our new CIA and CIO, new Chief Information Officer and Chief Internal Auditor, both of whom came from bigger institutions than Bank of Hope, and they did the assessment of our current capabilities versus the capabilities that they would like to see for an institution which would like to grow into a $20 to $30 billion institution. They recommended certain enhancements that they would like to make at Bancorp Hope, and we believe that this is a good time, good opportune time for us to utilize the excess cash that resulted from the tax cuts and tax savings, and we did not include this in our budget at the beginning of the year because we didn't have the benefit of the interest from those two new executives. But I think still it will be beneficial for the corporation, for the institution and shareholders to invest in those two areas because it will give us the platform to grow in a very fast changing environment and especially the IT areas we see that we need to really step up in our IT capabilities to be more competitive in the market in the coming years.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

Just if I could add one more on the efficiency, you say a low 50s in the deck I think this quarter is a shade under 52, given, I'm just trying to get a sense of it, 50, 51 or is it kind of 52, 53 over the back half? How should we be thinking about the build?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

I think it is hard to give the exact number, but when we say low 50s I think it is in the range of 51 to 53.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Matthew Clark with Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Maybe just on the CD re-pricing phenomenon, can you give us a sense for what's maturing here in the third and fourth quarter? And at what rate and what the new promotion is, at least currently?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Sure, as we indicated, we were able to gather a substantial amount of CD, and going forward specially Q3 and Q4, there will be total $2.3 billion. In Q3 about $1.2 billion, current rate is 1.2% and Q4 1.1 billion as well will be at a rate of 1.61%. Those are expected to be re-priced at a higher rate and currently the most recent promotion that we had was 2.25% for 12 month CD, and we will assess what the new campaign rate will be. So it will be re-priced at a higher rate, but the entire 1.2 billion Q3 and 1.1 billion Q4. I don't think they will be re-priced at a promotional much higher 2.3% ranges because we will be selective for hiring, offering those campaign rate to partly manage our deposit cost.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

And then on the commercial real estate remaining flat this quarter, are you seeing any increased competition from the non-banks? Or is that just maybe more elevated payoffs and maybe just a little bit less of an appetite just trying to get a sense for growth in commercial real estate going forward?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Well, our intention is to remain disciplined in our CRE lending, given the trends that we're seeing in other areas of our lending, we believe we can still reach our growth target while keeping our CRE portfolio relatively flat. That does not mean that we are intentionally not growing as the CRE portfolio, but given the cycle of the economy and the current valuation of the CRE properties, we believe that it is more prudent to be selective and disciplined in our in our CRE lending, which gives us to sort balances in CRE portfolio.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Okay. So, your sense is you that portfolio to remain flat for the balance of the year?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

I think the trends toward over the mix of our portfolio will be fairly consistent during the remainder of the year.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

And then, can you start quantify how much in single-family resi mortgages were sold in the second quarter?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

We see the industry is expecting for the construction in the rising rate environment, but for us we expect a relatively stable production. So very, very production in the second quarter -- in the second half as we make progress within the existing branch network.

Alex Ko

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Let me add a little bit more in terms of the dollar amount of the actual sales, we sold $20 million of residential mortgage loans, and I recognize the gain about $401,000 relatively not small amount compared to the previous quarter. That is mainly due to the lower our premiums. We would expect to have a kind of run rate for sale, it's hard for us to have a good production level because it really depends on the market, but we do believe the second quarter might be more of the run rate going forward.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Okay and then, can you just remind us how large that warehouse line was, the new warehouse line that contributed to the C&I growth? And what the rate was on it?

Peter Koh

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Sure. Our total outstanding balance for the warehouse line was up $293 and we have utilized about a 56%.

Kevin Kim

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

So, the particular line I think you’re looking for, the amount was 200 million, the pricing we just can't disclose for competitive reasons.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

And then just last one from me, if I may on Stifel, any update their and kind of expectation for reserves in 2020?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

No, we’re actively in the implementation phase of Stifel at his moment. We know that there is the impact coming through all of the banks in publicly at least traded bank I think in the first quarter of 2020. So, we’re preparing, I know the regulation is giving a lot of noise in terms of potential adjustments in the reserve requirements. So, we are looking at that actively and I think we are on track, but it's still little bit too early to talk.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Gary Tenner with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Just wanted to ask another follow-up on the expenses, the CIO and Chief Internal Audit person you hired, were those individuals in the full run rate for the second quarter or they hired later on?

Alex Ko

Analyst · D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Yes, they were both hired into a later part in the second quarter, so that's why when we have presented and on the first quarter during the earnings call, we were not able to have those more specific additional projects they were thinking of.

Kevin Kim

Analyst · D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

I think to be more precise our CIA, Chief Internal Auditor was hired at the end of the first quarter or the beginning of the second quarter, and our Chief Information Officer was hired in May. So, it took a few months for them to do the assessment of where we are versus where we should be and it is the second -- during the second quarter that we were made recommendations for the enhancements that they would like to see made at Bank of Hope.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

And the sequential quarter increase in professional fees in the second quarter versus 1Q was not inclusive of any of these investments, is that correct?

Alex Ko

Analyst · D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

That is correct.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you. So then just the last piece of that then, as we look into 2019, I guess what's the kind of term where you would be making this additional incremental investment on top of what you've done in the last couple of years? Does it leak into 2019? Are the investments and spend complete in the second half of 2018, how does that lay out?

Alex Ko

Analyst · D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Yes, those projects, is not years or up to 2 to 3 years of our projects. Now, it is a relatively short-term projects, so we are targeting to complete with the end of the year, so we would expect to after have that investment, I think we will be in a much better position compared to before their investment and our also earnings will increase, so our efficiency ratio we would expect to have a decrease. But again to answer your question, now, there is a number of the projects, but it's a more relatively short-term projects.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Okay and you were saying that your long-term efficiency ratio target is still mid-40?

Alex Ko

Analyst · D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Yes, that is our target. But to be further analyzed, the management is actually compiling all those in projects and we will be able to have better position to share with you, probably next quarter. But as of now, we would expect 2019 will be trending down from the elevated level in the second half of this year.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Tim Coffey with FIG Partners. Please go ahead.

Timothy Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Please go ahead.

My first question has to do with kind of the expense build again and the project you are undertaking. Are they -- would they slowdown and any thoughts you have on M&A?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · FIG Partners. Please go ahead.

I don't think so, well, obviously M&A is something that, that will happen sometime in the future. And when the opportunity comes, we want to be prepared for that opportunity, but these investments are not specifically for M&A transactions.

Timothy Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Please go ahead.

Right, but they’re not so big that they would slow down any delay, any kind of M&A trends you might have, it sounds like what you…

Kevin Kim

Analyst · FIG Partners. Please go ahead.

Oh, no, no, no.

Timothy Coffey

Analyst · FIG Partners. Please go ahead.

And then Alex, last quarter you kind of gave us some guidance or at least some indication rather than the -- looks like what we are seeing in terms of purchase accounting adjustments rolling in every quarter has started to stabilize, and that looks like that appeared again this quarter. Do you still feel comfortable with the idea that those accounts -- those adjustments will -- are stabilizing?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · FIG Partners. Please go ahead.

Yes, that's correct. As you mentioned, it was about $9 million, Q1 and Q2, nothing has changes and it will be slowly decreasing trends as the accounting will dictate, but there’s no noise that we experienced, and I don’t expect a big filtration going forward.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Don Worthington with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Don Worthington

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

In terms of the increase in CDs, 900 million, was that all new money? Or did you have an existing customer shift, say, money market deposits into CDs?

Alex Ko

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Yes, actually, those 900 million is all the new money, meaning there -- the total amount raised that our actual CD balance hasn’t increased that much, so we didn’t have exact figures, how much is shifted or from existing customers renewal at a higher rate. But we expect and we believe most of them is substantial portion of that money came from the new money -- new customer, I mean.

Don Worthington

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

And then were there any interest recoveries that impacted the margin this quarter from the resolutions?

Alex Ko

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

No, I don’t think so. There is a very-very small impact, if any.

Don Worthington

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

And then just if you could provide any color on kind of the year-over-year decrease in deposit fees, down about 10% first half this year versus last?

Alex Ko

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Sure, we were most unlucky to give the waiver for the deposit fees. But there’s a -- those deposit fees mainly comes from DDA account and other transaction related to the deposits, but our DDA was a relatively small, and also we did have a kind of monitoring the depositories, how the risky they are and we did have some risky depositors we actually intentionally let go, and obviously they had -- they generated more deposit fees. But we do not have those high risky depositors any more. So, that is kind of the contribution of the decrease of the deposit fees.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Chiaverini with Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

David Chiaverini

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

I had a follow-up on the syndicated loans. Are these middle-market loans and are they within footprint or national?

Peter Koh

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

These are combination, a large portion is middle-market lending, but we're also in the broadly syndicated space as well, and so, some of these are probably syndicated, some of these are leveraged, so it’s kind of a combination of those. The broadly syndicated, they tend to be much larger companies, many publicly traded and then so. So these are I guess across the areas and things, but the ones we due for middle-market are -- tend to be closer or within our servicing area.

David Chiaverini

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

And what percent of total loans are these syndicated loans?

Peter Koh

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

We still have a fairly small portion, I think we're roughly a couple of hundred million dollars or so, so our balance sheet wise, this is less than I think 3% or 4%.

David Chiaverini

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

And strategically going forward, was this more of a -- you had a liquidity event with the convertible debt offering and you wanted to put some money to work quickly, but looking out, is this going to be something to pad loan growth to hit your targets? Or how do you think about utilizing syndicated loans going forward?

Peter Koh

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

I think the syndicated loans, it's a good tool for us, I think that we built around, I think, yes, this second quarter we did have some liquidity that we wanted to deploy a little bit quicker and things. And so, that was a little bit unique to the quarter, but I do think the growth or the diversification strategy that we are trying to carry out at this time is kind of in line with all that. So, I do think volumes still will be there in that group, in those groups that are doing syndicated loans. But, yes, this quarter was a little -- I think a little bit higher than probably the run rate going forward just because we have a special kind of liquidity needs there or liquidity deployment.

David Chiaverini

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

Got it, and then shifting gears. Couple of quarters ago, you spoke about the institutional banking group and how they were looking to bring in and having some success in bringing in deposits. I was just curious as to, if you could provide an update with how that group is performing?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

Well, we now call them corporate banking group, we're not using institutional banking group anymore because the term is kind of misleading. They are more focused on lending to financial services company like asset managers and broker dealers so far. And their lending, their production during the first quarter was about $40 million, and the second quarter I think, they produced about $80 million. And in terms of deposits your questions, they have been quite successful because a lot of customers that they have brought in are like the financial services companies, which attempt to carry a lot of deposits with the bank, deposits or institutions like us. And I think they have been really instrumental in the target growth during the first and second quarter of the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up from Aaron Deer with Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.

Aaron Deer

Analyst

Hi guys just a real quick call follow for me. Given the mix shift that you had in your production in recent quarters and the capital actions that you have taken, where has the commercial real estate as percentage of capital dropped to at June 30th?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yes, I know we have a quite a success in terms of the droppings the CRE concentration ratio because that was one of the benefit that we anticipated and we will realize that. We decreased to the ratio of net CRE as a total capital about 319% that represents about 29% to 30% reduction from previous.

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Percentage points reduction.

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yes.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Well, once again, thank you for joining us today, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Thanks everyone.