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Hologic, Inc. (HOLX)

Q2 2009 Earnings Call· Mon, May 4, 2009

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. Welcome to the Hologic Inc. second quarter fiscal 2009 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to introduce Deborah Gordon, Vice President, Investor Relations, to begin the call.

Deborah Gordon

President

The replay of this conference call will be archived on our website. Please also note that a copy of the press release discussing our second quarter results, as well as our third quarter and fiscal year 2009 guidance, is available on the investor relations section of our website under the heading financial results. Before we begin, I would like to remind you of our safe harbor statements. Certain statements made by management of Hologic Inc. during the course of this conference call may constitute forwardlooking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forwardlooking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors which may cause actual results, performance, or achievements of Hologic to be materially different from future results, performance, or achievements expressed or implied by such forwardlooking statements. Such factors include, among others, those detailed from time to time in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We expressly disclaim any obligation or undertaking to publicly release any updates or revisions to any forwardlooking statements to reflect any change in our expectations or any change in events, conditions, or circumstances on which any such statements are based. Also, during this call, we will be discussing certain financial measures not prepared in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, or GAAP. A reconciliation of these nonGAAP financial measures to the related GAAP financial measures can be found in Hologic's second quarter 2009 earnings release including the financial tables in the release. Please note that today's conference call will consist of approximately 30 minutes of opening remarks from management followed by a 30minute questionandanswer session. We therefore ask each participant to limit his or her questions to just one with one followup as necessary. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Jack Cumming, Chairman and CEO.

Jack Cumming

Chairman

Thank you, Deb. Good afternoon everybody, and thank you for attending our second quarter fiscal '09 conference call. Joining me on the call today is Rob Cascella, our President and COO, and Glenn Muir, our Executive VP and CFO. Also joining us today are Tony Kingsley, Senior VP and GM of our Surgical Group, and Howard Doran, our Senior VP and GM of our Diagnostics Group. Both will be available during the questionandanswer session. I will start the proceedings with an overview of our business performance in the recently completed quarter. Glenn will then discuss the financial results and reaffirm our fiscal '09 guidance, and then we're going to open the call up for Q and A. As Deb said, we're going to try to conclude in an hour out of respect for everyone's time. I am pleased to report revenues in each of our four operating segments tracked in line with our guidance as stated in our press release. Q2 FY09 revenues totaled $402 million, a 7% decrease over the second quarter of fiscal '08. This decline was primarily due from soft sales of our Selenia full field digital mammography systems due to the global recession which continues to negatively impact the hospital market, thereby constraining capital equipment spending. This dropoff, however, was partially offset by the performance in our diagnostics and surgical businesses, which were slightly impacted from the rising unemployment rate and overall economic environment. Third Wave continues to perform in line with our expectations; and we're very pleased to have received FDA approval of not only our Cervista HPV HR test, but also our Cervista 16 and 18 tests. The recent notice of Adiana's approvability, pending a favorable manufacturing inspection, is equally encouraging. For the second quarter of fiscal '09, our nonGAAP earnings per diluted share…

Glenn Muir

Management

Thanks, Jack. Jack briefly addressed our second quarter revenue performance by segment. Let me note that our mix of domestic and international sales was approximately 80% and 20%, consistent with historical trends. Foreign currency translation had a modest impact on our reported revenue growth, less than 1% yearoveryear primarily within the diagnostics and surgical sides of our business as most of these international sales are denominated in local currency. This quarter, we incurred two rather large, unusual or onetime impairment charges which we back out of our net loss to arrive at our nonGAAP adjusted net income. The first was for good will impairment in the amount of $2.34 billion and related to good will acquired in the acquisition of Cytyc in October 2007. The segments impacted included diagnostics, GYN surgical, and the MammoSite product line. This charge was driven by the significant decline in our market capitalization in the first quarter. We completed our analysis this quarter, resulting in this good will impairment charge. The second charge in the amount of $4.1 million was for the impairment of certain intangible assets surrounding the HCV molecular test for hepatitis C at Third Wave. During the quarter, we decided to forego pursuing regulatory approval to sell this product in the United States. This was due primarily to the increased cost and effort that would be required to obtain regulatory approval. In March, we were informed by the FDA that a PMA would be required for this product and not the 510K filing which we had been expecting. We will continue to sell this product in international markets. Turning to the rest of the P&L, our gross margins on a nonGAAP basis held steady at 62.7%, consistent with the first quarter. This excludes $37.8 million of amortization of intangibles and the HCV…

Jack Cumming

Chairman

Thanks, Glenn. In closing, we're going to continue to run our business in a highly unstable economic environment. However, it brings with it, as you can imagine, an elevated degree of uncertainty regarding the remainder of this year and beyond. Overall, given the forces we must cope with today, I'm pleased we achieved the high end of our earnings forecast and delivered on our commitment to continue the cost savings initiatives we implemented last quarter. Our product pipeline remains strong, evidenced by the two products that received FDA approval this past quarter and the positive feedback from the FDA on Adiana. Our goal is obviously to maintain our leadership in all of the major markets we serve, and we remain committed to put our customers first and maintain our number one position. As always, I'd like to thank our worldwide team of Hologic associates for their continued commitment, which is the foundation of our current and future successes. Now, this concludes our opening remarks. So Glenn, Rob, Tony, Howard, and myself will be happy to answer any of your questions. So, operator, if you would please go forward and put people in the queue.

Operator

Operator

Tycho Peterson JP Morgan

Management

Kicking off with a question on Dimensions, can you give us a sense as to when you think you will make a go, nogo decision on kind of the next step here and how should we think about this in terms of spending around an additional trial or the clinical generation aspect of it.

Jack Cumming

Chairman

I will ask Rob if he would answer that.

Robert Cascella

Management

Can you clarify the question a little bit?

Jack Cumming

Chairman

By the way, it didn't come clear, your voice didn't come clear here. We're checking on our end to see if we have our volume up high enough. So could you just briefly say that again. I apologize to you.

Tycho Peterson JP Morgan

Management

The question is when would you expect to make a go, nogo decision around Dimensions in terms of another study. I am just a little unclear as to what you're thinking about in terms of generating additional clinical data and should we think about follow on trial and what would be the timeline in terms of making a decision there?

Jack Cumming

Chairman

I am going to let Rob answer that. But it's not necessarily that we're going to generate additional data, that's one of the avenues that we're looking at. But Rob, go ahead.

Robert Cascella

Management

It's really a bit of a multifaceted plan. There is reanalyses of the current data that we intend to present to panel, albeit a delayed panel, and in addition to that, there are different phases of clinical work that we also believe will be necessary in order to reinforce the initial indications, additional indications for use, and obviously be used for reimbursement purposes as well. It is a multifaceted plan that will take the course of the balance of this year and even into next, but there will be different milestones of accomplishments that will occur over that period of time.

Tycho Peterson JP Morgan

Management

That's helpful. On Cervista, then, I appreciate the color around some of the initial interests. Can you just give us a little bit more color in terms of characterizing these larger laboratories and what is the dialogue about around the fully automated system now, or are you getting a sense that labs are holding off in anticipation or how do we think about the timelines there, too?

Jack Cumming

Chairman

Howard is on the phone with us. So Howard, will you answer that, please?

Howard Doran

Management

Sure. I would say just globally, in general, there has been tremendous interest with Cervista, predominantly at any site. We're very pleased with the conversations we're having and the interest that they have in our product. Since you brought up automation, one of the things that we've done that we've not been clear enough on is that we have certainly announced we're planning on developing a more automated solution. However, if you look at what we have to compete with today, if you take a look at what's really important at the laboratories, it's the FTEs that need to actually, the FTE manpower to actually put out a reportable result. I would suggest to you that what we have today is from a point of ease to run a run is equivalent to what Qiagen has [inaudible]. I would say what we're now calling semiautomated today is equivalent and very competitive in the market place. We think what we will have next year is complete walk away automation that will be extremely attractive, but we have no one that we have sat down with that is not been very encouraged and very pleased about the product offering as it exists today and are very [inaudible] about the future. I don't think anyone is waiting for what's next. I think they're serious about our assay today, and that should not hinder us in our ability to sign contracts.

Tycho Peterson JP Morgan

Management

Then one last clarification before I hop back in the queue. I think, Jack, in our comments you had talked about guidance maybe incorporating Adiana pending launch. I wasn't clear if that's included in full year guidance or not.

Jack Cumming

Chairman

It is. It is absolutely, at a very modest, modest amount.

Operator

Operator

David Lewis Morgan Stanley

Management

So two quick questions. One on dimension and the other on pricing. Rob, just to clarify your comments. There's existing data which obviously is going to have to be reanalyzed and resubmitted and then there will be new data. As it relates to just the new data, is that new data able to get a screening claim or is that new data able to get a reduction and recall claim and what can be the timeline on one of those two?

Robert Cascella

Management

On the new data, the intent would be that it would be a followup and a strengthening of our original claim, which was screening; and in addition to that, we're looking at a variety of other claims as well that might segment the female population or focus on areas beyond just screening and into diagnostics. It will be a variety of different applications.

David Lewis Morgan Stanley

Management

Without 6submitting new data, just sort of taking your existing data and maybe cutting it in different ways, that was my understanding, is that data alone, can that generate any claim in your mind?

Robert Cascella

Management

Yes. And it is our intent to present the current data at this rescheduled panel meeting.

David Lewis Morgan Stanley

Management

And the timing of that rescheduled panel meeting, should we be thinking three months, six months, or nine months?

Robert Cascella

Management

I would say somewhere between six months and nine months.

David Lewis Morgan Stanley

Management

Very helpful, thank you. Just moving on to pricing here. Glenn, obviously given the available data that we can look at, maybe you can talk about OUS and U.S. trends because it appears to us that [boxes] should have been stronger and revenues [inaudible] in line, which would imply you're seeing some of the things that Phillips and GE are seeing as it relates to pricing and imaging. Maybe talk about pricing trends in OUS and U.S. trends. Thank you.

Glenn Muir

Management

On the ASP side, we have seen prices hold, but I think what's reflected in that lower revenue number is a movement down in the price point on the type of product. So really it's the product mix and the configuration that we're seeing at this point. We are seeing more defeatured or fewer featured systems. But at the basic Selenia level, those prices are holding both on the U.S. and international side.

David Lewis Morgan Stanley

Management

Would it be safe to say that the mix of your business is more down market than you anticipated when you first gave guidance?

Glenn Muir

Management

That would be correct.

Operator

Operator

Next we'll go to Amit Bhalla Citigroup.

Amit Bhalla Citigroup

Management

Quick Dimensions question. Jack, in your prepared comments you said there's a fundamental difference in thinking between where you stand today and the reviewers. Can you elaborate a little bit more on the safety aspect of the data you said you provided and if there's any issues there that the FDA is asking you about? And have any of the people who reviewed the data today changed from the original set of people you've been dealing with?

Jack Cumming

Chairman

We are walking, obviously, a very fine line in talking about the division of the government that is reviewing our current proposal. But I would tell you that we've had five different deputy chiefs and two directors since we started this process very energetic people, very committed people. However, this change of people has, with the current group there, the fundamental difference is what we initially agreed on in our protocols and the data that we were going to provide is now being looked at through a different set of eyes, quite frankly, that says you know, it's interesting, but why didn't you do this and why didn't you do that? And the answer was we basically did what you guys asked us to do. So we've had to make the decision do we risk going to the FDA right now in an environment where, quite frankly, with weakened Selenia sales, coming in with a tomo product that's $150,000 to $200,000 more expensive, that is going to get limited play, certainly over the next 12 months just from economic reasons. Do we go lay out our strategy in front of our competitors? And that's one of the things that we're looking at right now. It's open to the public; anybody can come. So, we made the decision to delay. And it's incumbent upon us right now, the FDA is waiting for us to come back to them on a date. There were no findings relative to the data that we submitted. So there is nothing wrong with the integrity of the data that we submitted. We are very convinced in the strength of that data. However, if we go back with the data we have today to this panel, we are not assured of an approval. There is a risk…

Amit Bhalla Citigroup

Management

Followup would be on the diagnostics and surgical segments. You said that you are starting to see a little bit of impact from unemployment. Can you just elaborate there and talk to us about what kind of assumptions you have for the rest of the year in those segments? Thanks.

Robert Cascella

Management

In general, it's been slow in coming. I think it's maybe a bit more obvious on the diagnostics side than it would be on the surgical side. And that is that overall visits, OB/GYN visits are down, [MAPTAs] being down from a frequency perspective, so as a result of that although it is much more difficult to detect because of the vast number of Paps that are done, we certainly are seeing a number or a decline in the overall number of Paps or tests that are being conducted on a quarterly basis. We really don't see that as of yet on the surgical side and I think that's probably related much more to the fact that it is much earlier in the adoption process and penetration is far less than what the available market is, so I think that it will be more resilient than some of the other businesses.

Amit Bhalla Citigroup

Management

So you don't, for the rest of the year, you don't [inaudible] from unemployment on the surgical business?

Robert Cascella

Management

On the surgical side, I think we will be much more resilient and are not anticipating that.

Operator

Operator

Joshua Jennings Jefferies & Company: Can you just help us out with some of your assumptions on guidance, specifically your breast health division? And are you assuming any price pressure going forward in the back half of the year? Increased competition? Any new entrants in the U.S. market? And then are you still assuming a worsening of that sort of midshift down to the downstream with a lowerend product?

Jack Cumming

Chairman

Rob and I can answer that. I don't see any difference in competitors or new entrants. I mean, Phillips is selling a Siemens clone under a private OEM agreement. They're selling that internationally. I don't see any other companies coming here at the moment. I don't see any pricing, any different pricing pressures than we've already faced for the last couple of years from the big guys. Rob, do you want to?

Robert Cascella

Management

I think the market is fairly stable at this point. If we can describe it that way relative to it has hit a level of weakness that we believe is recoverable. In fact, our order rate was stronger this quarter than it was the last. Having said that, you are accurate in that the ASPs in the market today are lower; and they're lower because of competing at different levels of buyer and we're at a segment of the market that is looking for price predominantly, and obviously some features, but it's predominantly being governed by price. So what we have done to respond is we are defeaturing Selenia and taking costs out of the product to come out with tiers of different levels of Selenia that allows us to segment the market and bracket where we think certain competitors are. That's how we have succeeded thus far with maintaining our market share and prevailing in these very difficult times. Joshua Jennings Jefferies & Company: Just a followup on the international side. You mentioned how you are seeing some increased pressures there. You had expectations for the international Selenia business to grow modestly. Do you still expect that? And can you just give us a little bit more color on your Dimensions units internationally and whether you're seeing sequential upticks in unit sales there.

Robert Cascella

Management

International I think is still doing well and is performing well. The differences are that some of the economies that we were counting on for growth, like the U.K., has certainly not materialized just recessionary trends and budget freezes and the like. I think in other parts of Europe we are seeing similar, if not even worse, conditions with respect to Selenia sales. There are nuggets of great news in Eastern Europe and Latin America, parts of the world that, for instance the Middle East, which we had gone into the year not believing would have significant growth, but in fact this year we are seeing it. So we still feel very good about international, albeit we are cautiously proceeding through the year with the idea that pricing may end up by a factor. As far as Dimensions, because it's so relatively new, obviously it's growing. But it is also growing at a very studied rate. The European market, which is where we're primarily selling it really has to go through a lot of government approvals and sanctions of a new screening technology. So where it is being used and sold today is in university settings, much the same way as it might be here initially because there's really not specific reimbursement in the public sector for it of I can tell you that from a user's perspective, both here in the United States and abroad, there isn't a physician that has used the product that has not commented on the clinical viability and acceptability of it relative to its performance in the tasks that it was designed to do. That was the find more cancers. So we're very, very encouraged and pleased with the performance of the product. But, again, I think there's a realistic growth pattern that is going to take time because of things like regulatory here in the states and obviously reimbursement in other parts of the world.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Jayson Bedford Raymond James & Associates. Jayson Bedford Raymond James & Associates: Just a couple quickies. On the timing of Dimensions in the U.S., I think you mentioned six to nine months for a panel. Is this simply a function of generating new data then going back and asking the FDA for a panel date? And then have you and the FDA agreed upon the additional data that's needed?

Robert Cascella

Management

Let me clarify. The delayed panel and the rescheduling of that would really involve the existing data which literally and practically is not time, even within the scope that I've explained, to do another clinical study. We are intending, and in fact have protocols out at all of our beta sites across the country in gathering more data; but the revisit with the FDA with respect to panel is really a reanalyses of the existing data. Is that clear? Jayson Bedford Raymond James & Associates: Then, just to the second point in terms of additional or followon data, has the FDA given you any instructions on what it needed?

Robert Cascella

Management

We are in the process of submitting a variety of different protocols to the FDA that range from limited indications of use to very broad indications of use. As I indicated earlier, it might be a natural segmentation of the female population, it might be within a diagnostic application, each of those has different ramifications with respect to the review path and the regulatory path. Meaning we, as you know, have an FDAapproved 2D dimensions product. That's a tomo ready product and can be marketed that way and is also the foundation for we submitting a PMA supplement on that product for let's say a diagnostic application. There are many, many variables that we have to consider and therein was yet another reason why we didn't want to rush to panel with just the current data that we had already presented.

Jack Cumming

Chairman

We could have gone to this June panel meeting with the data we have. We were not asked to not come. We were the ones who elected to not go. I am sure you read publicly that the FDA is looking at an August date for their next one if they can recruit two radiologists. They've had their own issues recruiting people. There's a lot of moving pieces over there. They have right now a whistleblower situation where letters are going out to Congressmen and Senators from people inside the medical device group, the group that we're dealing with, which has created a lot of uneasiness there within the organization. You got a lot of good people working in an environment that is not I think that healthy right at this moment. Quite frankly, we opted to, as I said, to wait and decide as we talk with them over the course of the next, the balance of this quarter to come up with, if we decide that we want to do new data, what that would be, agree on those protocols, or if we're going to "cut the data differently" and approach the panel from a different perspective. Jayson Bedford Raymond James & Associates: Just a quick question on Cervista. Which sales force is selling device? Is it both lab and OB/GYN or is it just the lab folks? And then is the focus on existing hybrid capture users or those nonusers?

Howard Doran

Management

We're focusing on both. Obviously primarily since the acquisition timeframe, we've been training the lab team to go out and will be talking to the laboratories about converting over to Cervista. Now that we have FDA approval and we actually have our claims, we have been actively training our physician office sales representatives as well. We've been calling on the labs now for about six months and we just, upon FDA approval, are out describing the differences between Cervista and hybrid capture 2 to the OB/GYN. I would say that the majority of our reference from a lab perspective to the last part of your question is we certainly are focusing more on the current users than trying to bring labs currently not offering HPV testing to the marketplace. It's just obviously a larger opportunity. We're spending the majority of our time there, but both are executing today.

Operator

Operator

We will go to our next question from Sameer Harish Needham & Company. Sameer Harish Needham & Company: I was wondering if you could maybe just tell us a little bit about the NovaSure placements in the quarter? Were they tracking similar to last quarter? And the disposables as well?

Tony Kingsley

Management

We were tracking. As Jack said, we had predicted that this recent quarter would be down from the prior quarter. And it was in line with that expectation. So, placements and consumable sales were right on track and actually a little bit better than what we had expected.

Jack Cumming

Chairman

Historically, just to add, second quarter has always been down for NovaSure. It was expected based on historical results, not for any other reason than that. And we happened to do better than what we anticipated. Sameer Harish Needham & Company: I know in your prepared comments you talked a little bit about increasing presence of NovaSure in the office settings. Do you have any anecdotals you can add there or maybe a sense of how much penetration you have in that market?

Tony Kingsley

Management

We are around 14%, I believe, in the office. That business has continued to grow a little bit incrementally each quarter, and we think it will continue to grow nicely. We would obviously like it to grow a little bit faster. We also have about a little less than half of our offices signed up on standing order programs, which we think is encouraging. Sameer Harish Needham & Company: Just for the overall company, we don't necessarily get the number for the backlog, but can you give us a sense directionally from end of the year where we track?

Glenn Muir

Management

The backlog on NovaSure specifically or in total? Sameer Harish Needham & Company: In total.

Glenn Muir

Management

Our total backlog for the company ended right at the same amount it was at the end of December, the $339 million. The increase in that backlog was a slight increase in the diagnostics side and a slight decrease on a dollar basis on the capital equipment side, meaning the breast health and the skeletal. Sameer Harish Needham & Company: So decrease in revenue potential versus units? Is that how you would interpret that?

Glenn Muir

Management

Yes, the units are holding. I think we're seeing this product configuration change driving to some of the lower priced units in the market. Yes, when we look at the backlog, there was a slight decrease on both the breast health and the skeletal side offset by an increase in the diagnostics. And the surgical held level. Sameer Harish Needham & Company: Everyone has kind of talked about the tomo, maybe looking for a silver lining here, any opportunity to pick up any incremental orders of Selenia as customers may have been holding off for tomo?

Robert Cascella

Management

I don't know if that's the silver lining, but I do believe that the silver lining is to really more aggressively market our 2D Dimensions, which will be marketed as a tomo ready product at this point.

Jack Cumming

Chairman

And it's the only approved product on the market.

Operator

Operator

Next we'll go to Isaac Ro Leerink Swann & Company. Isaac Ro Leerink Swann & Company: First off, is it safe to say regarding digital mammography, the tomo hold up that we're talking about, nuance is around stratifying the right patient population and treating paradigm, not necessarily worried about safety issues?

Robert Cascella

Management

We may not be understanding the question, could you maybe go through that again? Isaac Ro Leerink Swann & Company: When it comes to tomo, there's obviously increased radiation and things of that sort that could be of question. Is it fair to say that you're not so much worried about the safety risks associated with tomosynthesis and more in discussions with the FDA when it comes to the right treatment paradigm and right patient population?

Robert Cascella

Management

I think what we want to be able to do is show the product in its best light, which is to find more cancers, save lives, obviously, and reduce the recall rate. Eliminate the need for women to go back in and have followon studies that are unnecessary. When you talk about the safety and effectiveness of the product, hands down, finding more cancers trumps dose, if you will. And that is the intent of the product and that's where we believe the product truly shines.

Jack Cumming

Chairman

Let me add something. Again, go back a couple years. When 2Ds first came out, our Selenia 2D, dose of course was higher, but it was under FDA guidelines. Today, we have been able to do a very good job of taking down that dose; and we've done that through, we're on our third generation detector today. We have faster electronics since we control our own supply chain on the coating of the selenium and the scientists there, we've done a better job there with that formula. Dose is not going to be an issue long term. 3D today, using a combo mode of 2D plus 3D, which our competitors like to talk about as far as high dose, is first of all, under current FDA guidelines and QSA guidelines. Secondly, it's not going to be an issue again long term. And the reason it's not is because we're already working on the next generation detector, which is going to have even faster electronics than we are delivering today in Europe, backwards compatible. We have a new xray tube that is in the product today. We are looking at optimizing that. So those issues will go away. But there's never been a safety issue with the product and we are strictly adhering to the FDA guidelines. Isaac Ro Leerink Swann & Company: Just secondly on INTECH, can you comment on market share? You mentioned the U.S. is down a little bit. Is there any chance that there's either a little bit of share loss or perhaps inventory destocking out there in the channel?

Jack Cumming

Chairman

Howard waits for this question. So he can answer it. Howard, go ahead.

Howard Doran

Management

We do not have any inventory issues in the market place. I do think as Rob had alluded to is what we're really seeing is a little bit of softening in patients going to the physician. There's been plenty of articles out in the late press talking about the consumers using their health care dollars now more for urgent care as opposed to wellness. We're out in laboratories each and every day, and they're just describing a very, very slight softening in their volumes. There's going to be an article or some results in G2 coming out in June. We have seen a little bit of the data. Although the global independent laboratories are reporting growth about the same level, some are saying it's a little up, some are saying it's a little down. Pathology, however, 67% of the labs in the survey said they've seen volumes drop and only 17% saw volumes up. The softness that we're seeing I would completely attribute to the economy and not competition. If you look at the numbers reported by our competitors, revenues have been flat basically for the last three quarters. There's really no revenue to point to that would say any significant share shift has occurred.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Jonathan Block SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

Jonathan Block SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Management

First question, on the Third Wave side, I believe you said $0.03 dilution this quarter and another $0.03 in dilution in fiscal 3Q. When should that turn accretive? Is that a 1Q 2010 event for Third Wave to add to the bottom line? And sort of the followon to that would be with Adiana. You're leveraging the same sales force. Is that accretive from day one or are there some launch costs associated with that?

Glenn Muir

Management

If you look at Third Wave first, I did indicate that we were expecting in Q3 a continued $0.03 loss as we begin to get some traction in the market. That will decrease in Q4 down to about $0.02. So for FY '09, we are expecting that $0.12 worth of dilution. Looking into 2010, and we really haven't firmed up our guidance for 2010, but you can imagine that as Cervista takes hold and the revenues begin to grow, we're going to quickly hit that breakeven point early on in FY 2010. And we'll give a little bit more color as we go forward. But that's kind of the timing to keep in mind. As it relates to Adiana, it's a little bit different. The infrastructure is in place for manufacturing the Adiana product. The approvable letter that we received was at the Costa Rica facility where we do manufacture the NovaSure product. So we have already a manufacturing facility ready to go. Adiana helps cover that direct overhead that's down there and better absorbs those costs. And we use the same sales force as we use into that GYN surgical market that sells the NovaSure product. So the Adiana very quickly becomes a positive product.

Jonathan Block SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Management

Then maybe just followup. I'm just looking for some clarity on the dimensions. Just to be clear. If you do not need an additional study, you think you can go to panel in six to nine months, it's agreeable to sort of recut the data that you already have. If you need an additional study, that six to nine month timeline that Rob gave earlier gets pushed out. Is that correct?

Robert Cascella

Management

It's correct with one modification. We don't need new clinical data to go to panel. Two, if we went for the broadest of claims with new clinical data, it would go beyond the six to nine months. If we used modified claims with a supplement, it may be a shorter time period. So, unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, there are alternatives. But your first statement is the one I'd like to leave you with is we do not need to clinical data to go to panel.

Operator

Operator

That concludes the questionandanswer session today. At this time, Mr. Cumming, I will turn the conference back over to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Jack Cumming

Chairman

Thank you very much, I appreciate everybody's time. We look forward to getting together here in another couple months and look for better times in the economy and wish everybody well and good health. Thank you so much and have a good evening.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation.