Brent Bilsland
Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Lucas, your line is now open
Well, we actually transacted with five separate customers. You know, the market is backward dated, meaning that, you know, coal in 2022 is, you know, more valuable than 2023, and coal in 2023 is more valuable in 2024. What we're seeing generally is, I think, utilities are pausing from buying a little bit, they're going to get into the RFP, go out for RFP here in September, October, and see where market prices are. I think we're trying to get a handle on what railroad and transportation performance is going to be like in the third and fourth quarter. I mean, it's one thing to buy tons. It's another thing to actually get them shipped. [CSX] [ph] has done a reasonably decent job with us thus far. I would say about 85% of everything that we have scheduled that has been shipped, but our moves are typically a little simpler than some of the other people out there trying to go to export. As gas, we basically keep seeing gas pricing, high priced gas keeps extending out further and further. And as that happens, we think that adjust power price is up further and further. So, it'll push higher pricing out to curve is what we think will happen. As long – and again, as long as there is disruption in the market, meaning that we had a tight market, and then Russia's and Ukraine's, you know, altercation, whatever you want to call it, that has created enormous disruption to the market. Again, Russia is the third largest coal exporter in the world. And now you've got Europe basically saying we won't take those BPUs. The largest natural gas exporter in the world. Europe's saying, we won't take those BTUs or not. Yes. But Europe is saying or Russia is saying, I don't know, because those GPUs aren't flowing and so, Europe is getting those from the United States. We've seen several contracts for LNG to leave the United States and go to Europe and other countries. There's been just an enormous amount of activity of new contracts being signed is a 20-year term contracts? So that removes a lot of gas from the United States, which then, kind of gas is a competitor to coal. So, we've gone through this period, which is where our legacy contracts came from with five years, six years, seven years of really cheap gas. And now we've, kind of entered into this environment where the price of gas has doubled or tripled depending what timeframe you're looking at. So, because of that, the market then looks to get more of its electrons from coal, and there really hasn't been a dramatic supply response from coal production due to nobody's putting in new minds. It's been hard to hire people. It's been hard to get capital. All those reasons has, kind of kept a lid on, we've seen some supply response that hasn't been dramatic and you're not going to see the U.S. coal production double. It just isn't going to happen. So, from that perspective, we're excited about the future. We're seeing pricing that we've quite frankly never have seen before. and selling coal versus in the mid-30s versus selling coal in the 130s. It's a magical experience. You don't have to [tell] [ph] very much of it, but there's all sorts of pricing charts out there to show where it's all trading at. Transportation is hard, but it is moving. And so, we think as long as gas and as long as there's disruption in the market, we're going to see pricing continue to push out the curve. Now, will it stay above $125 a ton? Your guess is as good as mine. High prices tend to secure high prices, but we don't see – we don't think it's going back to 30s anytime soon. So, for that matter, we think that we're seeing average prices now up around $50 to – our average price moves to $58 next year, we make great margins with that. We produce a hell of a lot of cash flow at that. And we just see a lot of opportunity, particularly with the addition of the plant. That's a very beneficial thing to our company and we're looking forward to getting that transaction behind us.