Marita Zuraitis
Management
Yes John, hi. Good question. I can turn it over to Mark for some of the specifics, but just very high level, if you remember several years ago, not too long after I joined the company, we started a concept called the Horace Mann general agency, and that concept was really around the theory that it didn’t make any sense for us to say no to an educator, for example if they had an antique car, if they had a summer cupcake business and needed a BOP policy. If they were a non-standard auto customer, if it really wasn’t within the conservative and tight underwriting framework of a Horace Mann, we could rely on other carriers and still keep the customer within the Horace Mann family, especially as it related to P&C, because as we say over and over again, we’re not just a P&C company, we’re an educator company. If the independent agent that we would send them to by saying no is any good, that independent agent is going to say, when was the last time somebody asked you about your life insurance, can I help you with an umbrella policy, or whatever the case may be. That early concept got us to a pretty decent size of premium with third party carriers. We leverage a lot of carriers, whether it’s high valued home, whether it’s non-standard auto, and that worked well for us. The concept has broadened a little bit as we think about is there a way in which we can broaden that in these types of environments when even a standard customer might be a customer that, for whatever reason in a given state, call it scale - you know, we use the example of Rhode Island. When you’re writing K through 12 public educators in the State of Rhode Island, that’s not a large set of customers, would we be better off relying on industry data and companies that have bigger scale in that state rather than doing it ourselves. It really is broadening the concept that we originally had and have done quite successfully to maybe have a larger share of fee income, where we’re not taking underwriting risk but have the ability to be Horace Mann first when it makes sense to be Horace Mann first.