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Helios Technologies, Inc. (HLIO)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Sat, Nov 10, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Helios Technologies Third Quarter 2018 Financial Results. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Karen Howard, Investor Relations for Helios Technologies. Thank you. Ms. Howard, you may begin.

Karen Howard

Analyst

Thank you, Devine, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Helios Technologies, formally known as Sun Hydraulics, Third Quarter 2018 Financial Results Conference Call. On the line with me are Wolfgang Dangel, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Tricia Fulton, our Chief Financial Officer. Wolfgang and Tricia will be reviewing the results that were published in the press release distributed after yesterday's market close. If you do not have that release, it's available on our website at www.heliostechnologies.com. You'll also find slides there that will accompany our discussions today. If you look through the slide deck, on slide 2, you'll see our Safe Harbor statement. As you may be aware, we will make some forward-looking statements during this presentation and also during the Q&A. These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from where we are today. These risks and uncertainties and other factors are provided in the earnings release as well as other documents filed by the company with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These documents can be found at our website or at www.sec.gov. I also want to point out that during today's call, we will discuss some non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. You should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. We have provided reconciliations of comparable GAAP to non-GAAP measure in the tables that accompany today's earnings release as well as in the slides. Wolfgang will get started with some highlights for the quarter, Tricia will go through the details of our financial results, and then we'll turn it back to Wolfgang for his perspective on our outlook before we open up the line for questions and answers. And with that, it's now my pleasure to introduce Wolfgang.

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Keybanc Capital Markets

Thank you, Karen. Good morning, everyone. I will start on slide 3. As many of you learned just over a month ago at our Investor Day in New York City, we are making very good progress in advancing execution of our Vision 2025 strategy. Before I get into our financial results for the third quarter, for those of you who don't yet know us well, I want to remind you that our 2018 results include a couple of acquired businesses that weren't in our 2017 results. We acquired Faster, a global leader in quick release couplers for hydraulic applications, in April of this year. And more recently we acquired Custom Fluidpower in August. Custom Fluidpower or CFP was Australia's largest independent fluid power solutions distributor. They deliver value-add services from their eight branch locations across Australia. We view this business as a very strategic stepping stone to accelerate Helios' penetration of the Southeast Asia market. Now, I'll summarize some of our highlights for the third quarter. Sales grew by 54% to nearly 136 million. Of the nearly 48 million in growth, about 32 million was contributed by Faster, more than 8 million was contributed by CFP and about 8 million was organic growth. The Faster business grew about 9% over last year's quarter on a pro forma basis, excluding the impact of changes in exchange rate. While this is good solid growth, I want to point out that Faster has a normal 2-week summer shutdown that impacts our third quarter. Accordingly, their sales are down compared with the sequential second quarter, but that pattern is normal. Additionally, we are starting to see slower growth in the agriculture market. CFP contributed two months to this quarter and grew 15% over the prior year period, also excluding the impact of changes in…

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Keybanc Capital Markets

Thank you, Wolfgang, and good morning, everyone. Let's begin on slide 7 with a review of our third quarter consolidated results. Sales were up 54% compared with last year's quarter. Faster contributed about two-thirds of the growth, CFP contributed almost 20% of it and our organic businesses -- business sales grew 9%. As Wolfgang mentioned, order demand remains strong in our organic businesses but shipments were dampened by our CVT manufacturing consolidation project and Electronics growth was impacted by project timing. Foreign currency had minimal impact on consolidated organic sales during the quarter compared with prior year. I will now touch on sales by region, which are designated here in the sales bar charts on the left. There is a table in the back of the press release as well as the supplemental slides summarizing this information. As you can see, all geographic markets realized considerable year-over-year growth. With the addition of Faster and CFP, the EMEA and APAC regions are now larger contributors to our sales base. Sales to the Americas, EMEA and APAC regions were 48%, 28% and 24% of the consolidated total, respectively. Regarding profitability, our consolidated adjusted EBITDA was up almost 50% over last year's third quarter to 33.6 million. We are pleased that the supply chain constraints and input cost pressures realized in the first half of the year were significantly alleviated this quarter. However, the comparability of the margins was impacted by other factors which Wolfgang touched on. I'll get into this more as we review the segment results on upcoming slides. Turning to the bottom line. Adjusted earnings per share were $0.44 but were somewhat inconsistent when comparing to the prior year, given our equity offering earlier this year, which increased the number of shares outstanding. Additionally, we have more expense from amortization…

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Keybanc Capital Markets

Thanks, Tricia. Please turn to slide 19. The leading indicators that are important to Helios signal ongoing growth through the middle of 2019, with continued accelerating growth through 2018. This reflects an improvement from last quarter when the rate of growth was expected to start slowing in late 2018. Economic reports that we refer to now pushed it out by about two quarters. They continue to point to leading indicators that signal a mild recession in the next 12 to 24 months with recovery thereafter. Important to note, as we have said before, in accordance with our Vision 2025 plan, we expect to outpace macroeconomic growth. This is being driven by the investments we have been making to expand our coverage in the field, increasing and broadening relationships with OEMs, penetrating regions where we have white space and continuing to introduce new and innovative products and solutions. Further, we are much more diversified by end market than the legacy business was, and we expect these factors to help us successfully weather economic cycles. Please turn to slide 20 for our thoughts regarding our outlook for Helios. Regarding our organic CVT business, strong order demand continues. However, shipping challenges, as we are completing our manufacturing facility consolidation project, have caused us to lower our revenue and operating margin for 2018. Additionally, we have started to see some softening in the agricultural market. These factors, along with unfavorable currency exchange rates and uncertainty around the ongoing impact of tariffs have caused us to lower our outlook for revenue and profitability for our Hydraulics segment for the remainder of 2018. May I point out that our historic Sun and Enovation Controls businesses are seasonally weakest in the fourth quarter. However, we don't expect this to be the case this year for our Sun…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of with Jeff Hammond with Keybanc Capital Markets.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Keybanc Capital Markets

This is Brad on for Jeff. Just on the CVT consolidation, how we should think about incrementals moving through the rest of the year and into '19? It seems like some nice progress in the third quarter. Should we continue to think about sequential progress moving into 1Q when that completes?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Keybanc Capital Markets

Yes, we're definitely seeing some sequential improvement in the margins. Until we get through this project, it's a little bit difficult to tell because there's still a lot of work to do. I think we're about two-thirds of the way through the project. And until we get to the end of Q1 '19, I think that we will still have some challenges ahead of us. But once the project is complete, I do expect that the incremental margins will improve. They likely will not get back to the historical levels, where we had been a few years ago at a 50% incremental drop, but certainly we should continue to see some improvement once the project is complete.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Keybanc Capital Markets

Okay. That's helpful. And then just on -- you mentioned ag slowing down. Just wondered if you could give a little bit more color there of how material that was to the lower guidance for Hydraulics? And kind of where do you see ag going into 2019?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Keybanc Capital Markets

Yes, Brad, so that's mainly referring to ag in the European marketplace, where we see the demand for tractors softening, that's where the statement derives. Combines, which is the second large segment for us, they are doing better, but there is also a similar trend there. Year-to-date, North America numbers are still very strong for tractors and combines. But we are clearly outpacing both the growth rates -- the market rates in North America as well as in Europe. But we are seeing softening in Europe, predominantly on the tractor side.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Charley Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

Charley Brady

Analyst · Charley Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Hey, I'd just like to go a little bit more into the CVT facility consolidation issues that are impacting the revenues and the margins here. Can you go through it -- I mean, what exactly has changed, what happened in the planning process and the execution process to where we are today versus where we were three months ago, I'm just trying to understand what shifted really?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Charley Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Yes. Good morning, Charley. Well, nothing has happened, nothing has changed with regard to the planning process. We started -- let me step back and explain this in some more detail. We saw significant increases in orders as early as Q3, Q4 2016, as you know. This continued, then, in 2017, where we had outstanding growth, as you know, Charley. At the point in time, we knew already that we are in need of putting in additional capacity in order to absorb, basically, the amount of orders that we gained. The project itself has not changed. It's very diligently prepared and planned. And the project itself is on track. We are about, I would say, two-thirds, 70% through the project right now, if I look at the Gantt chart. However, we also have to take into consideration, we were planning at rapid shipments in Q2 and Q3 at the same time, which we do. We are shipping more hardware than ever before. But the project, of course, is influencing the efficiency and the productivity in the other manufacturing arenas in the processes. That's pretty much the impact that we are seeing. The project itself, Charley, is on track and we are executing exactly on the schedule and on the plan we talked about 3 or 5 months ago already. This project started in April of this year, as you know, and it's scheduled to be completed, then, at the end of Q1. Does it answer your question, Charley?

Charley Brady

Analyst · Charley Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

It did. Yeah. Thanks. That's helpful. And just one more, on the ag business in Europe, the slowdown you're seeing there, particularly in tractors, given Faster's significant exposure into the European ag market, can you walk through maybe what the impact of Faster specifically is going to be on that? And as we look into 2019, should we be dialing back expectations for either synergies or just the overall Faster margin, given that they've got significant exposure to euro ag?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Charley Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

No. I would definitely say this has no impact on synergies, not at this stage. I mean, from a synergy perspective, we are trying to utilize Faster to pull in the other businesses that we have. So that will not have an impact on the synergy and the project around the synergy as such. Just again to highlight here, we are still seeing growth in ag, it's just slower growth. And of course, we are comparing here -- if we look at the orders from Q3 2018 to Q3 2017, Q3 2017 was the highest order intake Faster had in its history. So we are comparing to a very high base. We are down compared to this base, but overall, we are still growing. So it's a slower rate of growth, Charley.

Charley Brady

Analyst · Charley Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Okay, that's helpful. And on Electronics, can you speak to the timing shipments as to what's going on there? I mean, is that just a customer saying we need it later than we originally thought? Or what's going on there?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Charley Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Yes, this is actually connected to a negotiation of the master contract we had with one of the larger customers. So it was just pretty much on the brink between the third quarter and the fourth quarter that pushed shipments into the fourth quarter. So we had a slowdown there in September due to those negotiations. They are all settled to the mutual satisfaction of all parties here and we will see a pickup in revenue from that particular OEM in Q4. So it's just purely a shift from Q3 to Q4.

Charley Brady

Analyst · Charley Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Can you quantify that shipment delay or shipment push out?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Charley Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

I would say it's about 2 million, that is my estimate.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company.

Joe Mondillo

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Just, I guess, since Charley finished on Electronics, I guess, I'll just start there because I did want to ask about that. Even accounting for that delayed shipments, your guidance is suggesting not a huge pickup in the fourth quarter. So there's certainly a very big slowdown of growth in the back half of the year. Could you maybe talk about some of the end markets that you're seeing, where the slowdown is coming from mainly and sort of how you're sort of thinking about things as we head into 2019?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Yes. I think, first of all, as you know, from a seasonality perspective, Joe, the fourth quarter's innovation has historically been low. It will be much stronger this year and that's why we actually indicated here that we'll end up at the upper end of the revenue guidance there. So we expect significant growth in Q4 2018 over Q4 2017. If we look at the end markets and if we look at the recreational market as well as the other markets that are overlapping with Hydraulics, the factors that are overlapping with Hydraulics, see exactly the same tailwind that we are seeing on the cartridge valve side. So there is still strong activity there. And also on the recreational side of the business, we are seeing still relatively solid market activity. So there is no big change compared to the past. The only change is, I think, this Q4 will be much stronger compared to any fourth quarter that we have seen in recent years.

Joe Mondillo

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Okay. And the -- just to sort of nitpick on that segment. So the selling, engineering and administration costs were fairly, I think, consistent with the second quarter. Could you just talk about the cost situation there, anything going on abnormally?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

There was a small amount of that total additional spend on the SEA that was a shift out of gross profit or gross margin into SEA. So we moved some people out of overhead -- manufacturing overhead and into SEA, so you see a little bit of a shift there. But the other was just normal planned investment in R&D, engineering that -- as you know, we spent about 8% in R&D in that segment. So it's a very healthy part of the ongoing growth that we see in Electronics. So it's important to keep those resources in place and additive to the business.

Joe Mondillo

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Okay. And just to shift sort of topics. I wanted to ask about the operating margin guidance. The range is still fairly wide considering that we just have one more quarter here. Is that just a case in point of -- related to the CVT consolidation, just not sort of sure what the inefficiencies sort of play out in terms of the fourth quarter? Do you not have the visibility? Could you just talk about that?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Yes, I mean, it's right. It's true. It's due to the CVT site consolidation, that's why you see a little bit of the wider margin there, Tier 1 adjusted operating income. From a visibility perspective, nothing has changed. I think we have reasonably good visibility in all businesses across the board until the end of the first quarter. So over the next five months, I think, we know pretty well what is going on in the marketplace.

Joe Mondillo

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Okay. And in terms of the CVT inefficiencies. So the Hydraulics segment, when you went through that sort of gross margin bridge, you said production efficiencies actually were -- was a net positive. So I assume the CVT inefficiencies related to that, I guess, kept that net positive to a lower net positive. So could you quantify how much sort of the inefficiencies with the CVT consolidation have amounted to?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

It's very difficult to tell exactly what's coming from specifically from that project. But we know that there are inefficiencies in the system. We have some parts, because lines are being moved each day, that have to be transported between the buildings multiple times. We have people that are in training in the new U cells and we have to pull trainers out to train them. So we know there is inefficiency. It's very difficult to calculate exactly what it is at this point. But we are encouraged by the fact that we're seeing some improved efficiencies on the production side, but -- and we expect to see even more when this project is complete. But it's very difficult right now, in the middle of it, to be able to quantify it.

Joe Mondillo

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Okay. I understand. Just in terms of my sort of analysis that sort of production efficiencies line item in the Hydraulics sort of gross margin bridge, that would be much higher if you didn't have this -- the issues going on with CVT consolidation, is that correct?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

That's correct.

Joe Mondillo

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Okay. And then last question for me, I don't know if you said this in the prepared remarks, but could you tell me what the revenue year-over-year change was at Faster?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Yes. For the quarter you mean?

Joe Mondillo

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

For the quarter, yes.

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Yes, revenue was up in terms of US dollars converted -- euros converted to US dollars about 3 million.

Joe Mondillo

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

Okay. And then just a last question, really. The tax rate. Is that an on -- so it looks like it sort of translates to a high teen. I guess, my question is for the annual sort of go-forward, looking at 2019, what would sort of be a normalized tax rate? Because I think we were looking at 25%, 26% beforehand. Is that still the normal and then this is just sort of temporary type things that you benefit from in the back half of the year or is there...

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Joe Mondillo with Sidoti & Company

So we're guiding for 18% to 19% to 21%. We do expect that the ongoing rate, beginning in '19, will be a few points higher than that, but will still be lower than the original ranges that we gave after the new tax laws went into effect.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird.

Joe Grabowski

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

It's Joe Grabowski here for Mig this morning. Most of my questions have been answered. So I guess I'll just kind of drill in a little further on the revised guidance. So the operating margin guidance was reduced by 135 basis points at the midpoint. That was guidance that was given midway through the year. So it's a pretty significant reduction. And it implies sort of a 16 -- anywhere from a 16% to 20% operating margin in the fourth quarter, which would be comparable to last year. Last year had multiple margin headwinds in both businesses. I know the business mix is slightly different. So that 135 basis point reduction, is the vast majority of it inefficiencies from the consolidation project? Or are there other factors that have gotten worse over the last three months?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Yes, so there are a few things that affected it. About two-thirds of it is related to site consolidation. And then we talked about the lower ag rate. So we're seeing a small effect from the lower expectations in the fourth quarter related to ag. We have some exchange rate headwinds as well and obviously the tariffs. We still have a bit of an unknown around the tariffs at this point and we do expect to have some negative effects on the margins related to tariffs in the fourth quarter.

Joe Grabowski

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Got it. Okay. And a similar question on the Hydraulics sales, reduced about 15 million at the midpoint. Obviously, you called out a few different factors. Can you kind of segment how much of the reduction was due to the inefficiency versus the slower ag market versus the FX?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Clean percentage, about two-thirds as well, Joe.

Joe Grabowski

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Two-thirds from the consolidation?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Right.

Joe Grabowski

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Okay. And so then the margin inefficiencies from the consolidation and the lower sales from the consolidation. Are we expecting those to continue into the first quarter then?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Yes, we expect those to continue until the project is completed.

Joe Grabowski

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Okay. And completed by the end of the first quarter?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Right, right.

Joe Grabowski

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Okay. And then maybe just one last question, same thing about the normalized tax rate going forward, maybe pin you down a little bit to give a -- maybe a specific range, 2019 and beyond?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird

Yes, this is a guess because we're not giving 2019 guidance right now, but I would say probably 22% to 24%.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brian Drab with William Blair.

Brian Drab

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair

The first one just on the Hydraulics segment, if we kind of step back and look at the – what has been really solid growth in that segment of, again, 13% organic in the third quarter. Do you have a sense for whether you're taking share? And does that have to do with your push into electrohydraulic components and solutions? And do you have a sense for how fast you're growing relative to the competition?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair

Yes, Brian, as I pointed out earlier on when Jeff asked the question, we saw a significant pickup in orders in Q3 2016 already. So I mean, we have done benchmark and competitive analysis over the last eight quarters, and I would say, based on that, we clearly took quite some share, particularly in the early stages of the recovery, predominantly in 2017. But also leading up into 2018. If you benchmark the growth numbers here -- the organic growth numbers with the peer group, I think you'll see the difference. How much of that is due to new products? I think the majority of that is due to the initiatives that we took on in early 2016 when we deployed application specialists around the world, North America being one region, but we also accelerated those efforts, as you know, in some other parts of the world. I think they paid the tribute and we saw a lot of activity resulting out of that. New product development, yes, has contributed as well, but, there, we are still at the very early stages. We expect more significant positive impacts from new product development in the next couple of years.

Brian Drab

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair

Okay. Thank you. And then just if you could talk a little bit more on tariffs and what impact you would see? What percentage of your inputs would be on the list that might see an increase of 25% tariffs in the first quarter and how concerned you are going into the first quarter of '19?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair

Well, I mean, there is concern, I think, because this is not a very transparent situation that we are having. As you know, we try to convert the tariff impacts immediately into a surcharge and trying to pass it on to the marketplace. But there has been resistance in accepting the surcharges. So that's still an ongoing activity. So I can't give you a full and clear picture as we go into 2019, what it mean. We have quantified the tariffs for the balance of the year, for Q3 and Q4. As Tricia pointed out before, if you go to the midpoint of revenue guidance drop and the adjusted operating income drop, so we have -- we put about a 10% profitability impact into the drop there with regard to tariffs. There is a drop due to site consolidation and, basically, there is a 10% drop due to tariffs that we expect.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital.

Jon Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital

Wolfgang, obviously, Sun Hydraulics is not the only company raising some concerns about the macro outlook for 2019 and maybe a little bit into 2020. I guess, my question is, as it relates to Faster, what kind of volatility, in terms of margins, have we seen across the cycle with Faster? And I know -- I understand, Wolfgang, that they're still showing growth, but if there is some additional weakness. But how operationally leveraged are they and what kind of variability might there be in the operating margin at Faster?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital

Faster, Jon, has a pretty steady margin profile. And it's due to the fact that the value add -- how they are set up between in-sourcing and outsourcing activity is pretty flexible. So they can adjust that model in a pretty speedy manner. If you go back in history, and we looked at this during the due diligence, obviously, as well, I think two points caught our attention. First of all, over the last 18 years, Faster had only one year where organic revenue didn't grow, that was 2009. In any other year, organic revenue grew. And secondly, if you look at the margin profile, they were able to maintain that superior gross margin profile all along because they tweaked the value-add model between in-sourcing -- between outsourcing and in-house manufacturing. So I'm not so much concerned going down the road. Faster, we know exactly, the ag business is probably a little bit more steady compared to the other markets that we are serving, and I'm pretty confident that we can maintain that high gross margin profile.

Jon Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital

Okay. Thank you. And on the Electronics side, and I know you're not giving 2019 guidance. But when you look at 2019, do we see a number of new platforms for the Electronics segment, new business development, new business projects, that -- and platforms that weren't there in 2018?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital

Yes, I mean, that's an ongoing process. The Enovation team is very active with current customers as well as with new customers on a number of projects. And obviously, I mean, there is new product launches already scheduled for next year as well. So the answer is yes.

Jon Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital

Maybe I should clarify, are they large new -- significantly larger projects?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital

I think it's both. I mean it's predominantly higher pull-through products with existing customers on platforms and programs that we are on. But they are also working, at the same time, with new OEMs. There is a couple of larger projects lined up for 2019, but it's a mixture of both.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Josh Pokrzywinski with Morgan Stanley. Josh, are you muted on your end. You’re live in the conference. Okay, Josh may not be on the line. [Operator Instructions] So, it appears no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Josh Pokrzywinski with Morgan Stanley

Thank you. Thank you for interest in Helios and for your participation this morning. Also, thank you to all of the hard-working Helios employees who are driving these results. We look forward to updating all of you on our fourth quarter and full year results in late February. Thank you very much, and have a good day.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.