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Houlihan Lokey, Inc. (HLI)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, May 18, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Houlihan Lokey Fiscal-Year and Fourth Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now turn the call over to Christopher Crain, Houlihan Lokey's General Counsel. Please go ahead, sir.

Christopher Crain

Analyst

Thank you, Operator and hello, everyone. By now everyone should have access to our fiscal-year and fourth quarter 2016 earnings release which can be found on the Houlihan Lokey website at www.hl.com in the investor relations section. The release was published about 20 minutes ago and we apologize that it was not available earlier, but we did have some technical difficulties. Before we begin our formal remarks, we need to remind everyone that the discussion today will include forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements which are usually identified by use of words such as will, expect, anticipate, should or other similar phrases, are not guarantees of future performance. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect and therefore you should exercise caution in interpreting and relying on them. We refer all of you to our recent SEC filings for a more detailed discussion of the risks that could impact our future operating results and financial condition. We encourage investors to review our regulatory filings, including the form 10-K for the FY '16 ended March 31, 2016, when it is filed with the SEC. During today's call we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures which we believe can be useful in evaluating the Company's operating performance. These measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for our financial results prepared in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is available in our earnings release and our investor presentation on the hl.com website. Hosting the call today we have Scott Beiser, Houlihan Lokey's Chief Executive Officer and Lindsey Alley, Chief Financial Officer of the Company. They will provide some opening remarks and we'll then open the call to questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Scott.

Scott Beiser

Analyst

Thank you, Christopher. Hello, everyone and welcome to our fiscal-year and fourth quarter 2016 earnings call. When we spoke in February at our last earnings call, the equity and debt markets had a decidedly negative tone. Today the markets are more stable and the dislocation that occurred in January and early February appears to have been temporary. Through it all, we remain diligent in our efforts to continue to build an independent global investment bank that performs well in all market conditions. I will begin my remarks with an overview of our results and accomplishments for the year, then provide commentary on our fiscal fourth quarter results and with some observations on several of the market factors influencing our business and some positive trends impacting our outlook. In FY '16 Houlihan Lokey reported a record $694 million in revenues. Our corporate finance and financial advisory services businesses both achieved record years in revenues and our financial restructuring business did well, better than our expectations. We reported adjusted earnings per share of $1.46 for the year, up 8% from last year. We achieved many highlights in FY '16. We went public in August. We paid two quarterly dividends of $0.15 per share since being public and today we're pleased to announce that our Board of Directors authorized a 13% increase in our quarterly dividend to $0.17 per share. The increase will be effective as of the next dividend payment on June 15, 2016. During our FY '16, we made three strategic acquisitions, a digital-media-focused banking firm in the U.S., a consumer-focused banking firm in the UK and a Continental Europe-based investment banking firm. Our two European acquisitions increased our total financial headcount in Europe to around 140, nearly doubling our headcount from a year earlier. We also opened an office in…

Lindsey Alley

Analyst

Thank you, Scott. To begin, I would like to highlight some of the key metrics from the fourth quarter. We have presented our fiscal-year and fourth quarter 2016 results on both a GAAP and an adjusted basis in order to provide an easier interpretation of our performance when compared to the same periods last year. The adjustments we included in our financial results fall into three primary categories, pre-IPO grants issued to employees in connection with our IPO, adjustments related to previous ownership agreements and adjustments related to transaction expenses on acquisitions that we closed in FY '16. Lastly, we adjust our income taxes to reflect the changes just mentioned. Also, it is important to note that the financial results presented today reflect only the second quarter of the Company operating under on our new post-IPO business model, whereby we're no longer using a fixed-revenue sharing model that delivered an 18% return to shareholders but instead targeting long term awarded compensation and non-compensation ratios. Now on to the quarter, fee revenue was $184 million for the for three months ended March 31, 2016, compared with $186 million for the three months ended March 31, 2015. In corporate finance, revenues were $79 million for the quarter compared with $89 million during the same period last year. Activity during the quarter was softer than expected in corporate finance as we closed 40 transactions compared to 49 in the same period last year. This decline was driven by a challenging M&A market environment in the first half of the quarter which served to delay several closings until future quarters. As a reminder, the number of global M&A transaction closings declined 16% during the quarter and for the U.S. this decline was 21%. Unfortunately, the softness in the M&A market incurred during one of…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question will come from Michael [indiscernible], Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Mike Needham

Analyst

This is Mike Needham in for Mike [indiscernible]. I guess first is a couple of things on the corporate finance business. For calendar 1Q what were you hearing from clients that drove the deal delays and does it feel now like things are back to normal? And on the delays, will most of it hit calendar 2Q and then can you maybe quantify the impacts on those delays on 1Q?

Scott Beiser

Analyst

Sure. So a couple things, I think as we described before, the increased market volatility which clearly was there in January and part way through February. It just caused pausing whether that was some slight repricing, whether you had to go visit and find new or different financing sources, deals just got pushed out. One of the things we have continued to look at it is is there any new trend in number of deals just completely dying and there's really nothing there, our deal still able to get finance, the answer for deal flow is yes and so effectively what we saw is just the lengthening out of deals. And it wasn't necessarily I think just a onetime blip, but things that maybe should have closed in February closed in March and March closed in April and April will close in May etcetera, so everything just feels like it pushed out. Today they are starting to close once again at a more normal pace than what we saw three, four months ago, but they are still taking longer. On the second part of your question, yes, I think most of the deals that we had expected to close in our fiscal fourth quarter we now believe will close in our fiscal first quarter of '17, but the same thing can happen but some of the deals originally scheduled for first quarter fiscal '17 could get pushed to second quarter. So everything just got pushed out of that.

Mike Needham

Analyst

And on the restructuring business, are you starting to see assignments spread beyond the energy and commodity related sectors? And then for the quarter, it looked like in the release that the deal closings the transaction fees drove the improvement in revenues for that business. Is there also more recurring retainer component that we should see in restructuring line that will aid revenues for the rest of the year?

Scott Beiser

Analyst

So two things, I think as we have said, we're still seeing the business being driven by the oil and gas sector than probably the mining and minerals and metals and other forms of commodities, but above and beyond that, we're seeing in a variety of different industries, like I said kind of a slow increased of policy relatively low default rates we've had across all industries are just slowly starting to climb back to what eventually we feel will be a market norm. It's not a significant increase, but it is a slight increase that is impacting on a variety of different industries. And what we're seeing is not only the number of new business that is coming in, it's is accelerator from what we saw a year ago but also the size of the indebtedness is increasing and thus the size of the transaction fees and that's driving some of the revenues and you are correct, this business for ourselves in our peers is partially you get a monthly retainer fee or quarterly fee and then there's a transaction fee. Obviously, the transaction fees can take many, many months or a couple years before they occur, but the monthly fees or something you will generally start to generating at the time that you get hired.

Mike Needham

Analyst

And then just last one on non-comp expense. That came in just a little bit low what we had thought I think the ratio was kind of in-line with your Europe -- maybe a little bit below long term guidance there, any unusual items in there or is that the right place to go off of? Thanks.

Lindsey Alley

Analyst

I think what I would do is use the not the quarter as a proxy for next year, but I would use an annual number. So we generated about $89 million of non-comp expenses for the year, that ended up being a little bit under 13%. I think that 12% to 13% range that I gave you at the end of the call is what I would look forward to for 2017.

Operator

Operator

And next we will take a question from Devin Ryan from JMP Securities.

Devin Ryan

Analyst

Maybe just quickly start off with a follow up on the restructuring, it sounds like you guys were still pretty optimistic on the energy complex from here. I'm just curious with higher oil prices, is that slowing new mandates may be pushing out capitulation from companies of hiring restructuring bank? I'm just trying to get a sense, do we see maybe just a pause for a bit here with higher oil or companies is just too far past the tipping point?

Scott Beiser

Analyst

At the moment, I would say we're a little bit in the Goldilocks arena. Like I said, prices are not too low or too high. Like obviously shift where it will be a week, month or quarter for now could be different, but at this point we still think there are a number of companies that even if oil prices stay where they are at, they are going to run in the financial difficulties they have too much debt, they've got certain covenants [indiscernible] and what we're seeing for ourselves in the industry in general is more new business activity is coming in this sector. So at least based upon today's current prices, we don't see anything that slowing down the activity and like I said, it's kind of any right price at least in today's market price.

Devin Ryan

Analyst

Okay. And one on capital allocation, acquisitional growth clearly always been important for you guys, not sure how much you can share here, but maybe just qualitatively, any sense of are there things that you are currently moving forward on or looking at closely and if possible, any perspective you can give on geographies or size or anything else just as were thinking about capital being created and what you may be looking to do with it?

Scott Beiser

Analyst

Just so I will touch a little on I think if your question was perspective acquisitions, we do continue to look at a number of areas I think in FY '16 our focus was a lot on Europe, a few industry groups. We're still looking at a variety of items in different industry sectors a few things in some geographies, a few things that would be added into our various product area. But as mentioned before, I think FY '16 it was just the timing we ended up doing a lot of acquisitions and more likely than not I think we're expecting fiscal 2017, you will see a more normal amount of hiring coming from opportunistic hires instead of acquisition hires. But what occurs in the marketplace and what's available and where compensations go, you can't dictate timing all the time. So we continue to look, but there's nothing that we think is eminent at least in the next couple of months.

Devin Ryan

Analyst

And then maybe last for me, it sounds like financing hasn't been a big issue maybe it's been a little bit softer, but still had availability when needed. Curious in the financial sponsor community that you work with, they are more interested in selling assets right now. Obviously the markets have generally recovered or are they looking opportunistically to buy I'm just curious where the appetite is more on the buying or selling side right now.

Scott Beiser

Analyst

We see it both sides. They are still selling assets that are in the various portfolio. They are looking to buy and the financing at least for the midmarket sized transactions which are there maybe they will continue to look at different sources of capital that may not have existed several years ago, but there is capital available in today's business environment to close transactions. So we're seeing it pretty balance both on the buy side and sell side in terms of financial sponsor activity.

Operator

Operator

And next we will go to Doug Doucette with KBW.

Doug Doucette

Analyst

Just couple of questions, first I guess starting with FAS. Is there any way you guys can give us a sense of what in there is sort of transactional I guess versus what's more valuation recurring?

Scott Beiser

Analyst

So we probably break our business down into four core quarters. There is a piece that is definitely transaction oriented, generally fairness and solvency opinions and other people's transactions, that goes up and down with the market place. There's a component of our business which is effectively portfolio valuations. Where we're doing very much quarterly or annual annuity-based work for hedge funds and large financial institutions that need certain securities valued and doesn't have that much to do with where the markets are going. Another part of our business that is kind of tax and financial due diligence related. So it's doing work both in connections with transactions as well as just companies that are internally reorganizing and need certain business valuations and certain companies do this all the time so there is a component of ongoing annuity to it. And then there is a piece that litigation or dispute resolution oriented which is very much one off type of matters. So I might say that somewhere at any given time a third plus of our business is definitely a client year after year, but when we really look at the hundreds and hundreds of clients we have, we tend to find that over the next couple years we've always do work for them. So it is a repeat business in terms of clients even if you don't think of it as a particular task that occurs quarter by quarter and year by year.

Doug Doucette

Analyst

And then just one last one for me, is there any way you guys can provide any estimation on what the average close rate on the corporate finance transactions that you do are? I am just trying to get a sense of what a delay timing might mean for that.

Scott Beiser

Analyst

It's not something we disclose and there's a difference, all things being equal sell side has higher close rate than by side at the moment. U.S. transactions close at a better rate than European or Asian transactions. I don't think we see a significant difference between financial sponsor driven transactions or strategic driven transactions. We don't tend to get delays due to antitrust matters that in some of the larger mega size deals and I think it's just when the markets get a little more volatile, buyers, sellers, lawyers, lenders everybody just takes a little longer to keep looking at different elements of the transaction eventually they are still getting closed but they are just taking a longer period and so it's not really something we quote on what the close rate is because it really varies by some of the factors I’ve described.

Lindsey Alley

Analyst

And as a reminder, the vast majority of our transactions sign and close on the same day as opposed to signing and announcing one quarter and closing the next quarter. So when we have market dislocation in January and February it has an immediate impact on our quarterly business versus having an impact on future quarters because transactions again are going to be affected prior to closing and we close our transactions often times in the same quarter.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question will come from Jeff Harte with Sandler O'Neill.

Jeff Harte

Analyst

A couple for me, restructuring, can you help us to get a little better feel of kind of where restructuring revenues could go. I'm kind of thinking past cycles relative to a good -- what seems like a good $72 million number this quarter, but also kind of maybe in the context that commodities centric stress as opposed to kind of more widespread stressed and we think kind of corporate defaults are heading to normal as opposed to spiking to prior cyclical highs.

Scott Beiser

Analyst

I think the best way we can still describe it as, our fiscal year restructuring revenues peaked at almost double where they are now during the great recession. Unclear if we will have that same kind of a downturn again, but having said that, the total amount of indebtedness that's in the marketplace not just in the U.S. but now globally is a lot greater today than it was 5 years or 10 years ago. The total potential in some regards is higher. And we also know that we've done about $200 million plus in annual restructuring revenues for the last couple of years when default rates have been very low, 1%, 2%, 3% is where it's been over the last couple of years and we know that's not even the market norm. So we as well as I think what our peers perceive that there is more upside and where the restructuring marketplace can go led by oil and gas and some other areas. I would caution you as we said, our fourth quarter fiscal restructuring revenues are usually better than any other quarter, so I don't think you can necessarily take a particular quarter and then start annualizing or growing from there. But I would note that we continue to see an increased rate of new business and so as the new business comes in, we're expecting obviously that that should produce greater revenues over the next couple of years.

Jeff Harte

Analyst

Okay. And as we think of Leonardo acquisition kind of hitting the run rate, how should we think of the revenue contribution of 2017? Would it be reasonable to apply and Houlihan Lokey like revenue per MD to the 12 MDs that came along with that acquisition?

Scott Beiser

Analyst

I would look at probably at least two or three factors. One is, it's even in an acquisition we did it does take some time before they will get to a full ramp size in terms of their deal flow weaving into the fabric of the firm, close rates etcetera. So it's not something instantaneous. The second thing is, at least at the moment, I think on average the European marketplace just is not a strong as the U.S., so depending upon where the European economy and the marketplace goes, there's even more upside from a lower base or it could take a little longer before it matches what we see in the U.S. So at the moment, I don't think you can necessarily apply the same revenue per MD out in Europe at least just yet, a lot has to do with just kind of the tone of the marketplace in Europe that is not as strong as the U.S. at this moment.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Vincent Hung with Autonomous.

Vincent Hung

Analyst

Quick one for me, how many restructuring mandates are you working on today?

Scott Beiser

Analyst

Sorry Vincent, I didn’t hear the question.

Vincent Hung

Analyst

How many restructuring mandates are you working on today?

Scott Beiser

Analyst

We don't quote the number of restructuring mandates. What I mentioned on this call as well as a quarter ago is our pace appears to be in terms of the business coming in, it's up about 25% year over year. So it's larger than it was a year ago and larger than two years ago. It's not something that we quote out exactly how many projects at any given time we're working on.

Operator

Operator

And at this time we have no further questions in the queue. I would like to turn the conference back over to our speakers for any additional or closing remarks.

Scott Beiser

Analyst

Thank you everybody for listening to our call and we look forward to speaking with you again at the end of our first fiscal quarter of 2017. Goodbye.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for your participation.