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Hecla Mining Company (HL)

Q3 2011 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 8, 2011

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Third Quarter 2011 Hecla Mining Company Earnings Conference Call. My name is Stacy, and I will be your conference moderator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We’ll conduct a question-and-answer session towards the end of the conference. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today to Ms. Melanie Hennessey, Vice President, Investor Relations, please proceed.

Melanie Hennessey

President

Thank you, Stacy. Welcome everyone, and thank you for joining us for Hecla’s third quarter financial and operations results. Our news release, which was issued this morning before market opened and presentation are available on Hecla’s website. In addition, Hecla issued a release yesterday providing an update on our predevelopment and expiration initiative and another release today declaring the first silver price-linked dividend on common stock. On today’s call, we have Phil Baker, Hecla’s President and CEO; joined by Jim Sabala, Senior Vice President and CFO; also Larry Radford, Hecla’s new Vice President, Operations; and Dean McDonald, the Vice President of Exploration. Before we get started I need to remind you that any forward-looking statements made today by the management team come under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. They involve a number of risks that could cause results to differ from projections. In addition, in our filings with the SEC, we are only allowed to disclose mineral deposits that we can economically and legally extract or produce. Investors are cautioned about our use of such terms as measured indicated and inferred resources and we urge you to consider the disclosures that we make in our SEC filings. With that, I will pass the baton to Phil Baker, Hecla’s President and CEO, Phil?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Thanks, Melanie. Hello everyone. I’m glad you all join us today. I will provide a brief overview, Jim will speak about our financial results, and then Dean and I will provide an update on the #4 Shaft and the predevelopment exploration programs then we’ll take some questions. So go to slide four; now for the third quarter results. In the press release, I said this was a unique quarter in Hecla’s long history. First financially, it was an excellent quarter with solid financial operating results. Sales were $121 million and net income was a quarterly record. Sliver production was as expected at 2.3 million ounces and cost were $0.67 per ounce which remain among the lowest in the world. And realized sliver prices averaged $37 per ounce, so almost all of that was margin. Cash from operating activities was $61 million, increasing our cash position to a record $414 million. Now if you will move to slide five. And here is where you really see what was unique about the quarter. We announced an innovative dividend policy that tied to pay out to the sliver price. We believe it gives Hecla the highest pay out among sliver companies something over 1% and makes Hecla a more attractive alternative to other sliver companies and also to the ETF. This quarter the board also approved the completion of the Lucky Friday #4 Shaft, an investment that grows production 60%, generates returns and extends the mine life for decades. So very unusual in the precious metals industry to have a mine life that’s measured in decades. I fully expect that this Shaft because of the longevity against the mine and the access to geology will ride benefits we cannot currently contemplate. If you think about it’s the number two shaft at the Lucky…

James A. Sabala

Management

Thank you, Phil. Metal prices continue to remain strong across the all four metals that we produced this quarter resulting an excellent financial performance. On slide six we present realized metal prices for the quarter and you could see that our realized silver price is up by 73%, and realized gold price is up by 40% over the third quarter of 2010. Zinc and lead prices in the third quarter were also up by 12% and 5% respectively over the same period of 2010. Consequently on slide seven, you can see that we continue to experience among the lowest cash cost per ounce in the industry achieving excellent margins. Our per ounce cash costs were $0.67 per ounce during the third quarter of 2011, cash costs were up marginally compared to the same period last year due to higher production costs, treatment costs, mine license taxes and employee profit sharing due to higher metals prices. However, the benefits of higher metals prices far out strip the cost associated therewith with our margin of $36.35 per ounce of silver produced up from $22.46 per ounce in the third quarter of 2010. Based on current 2011 production guidance and cost estimates, and assuming recent metals prices in the fourth quarter of 2011, total cash cost net of by-product credits are expected to be approximately $1 per ounce of sliver for the year 2011. Moving to slide eight, net income applicable to shareholders more than tripled to $55.8 million for the third quarter of 2011 compared to $16.4 million for the same period of 2010. Net income per common basic share was $0.20 in the third quarter of 2011 compared to $0.06 in the same period of 2010 and earnings after adjustments applicable to shareholders were $35.4 million or $0.13 per basic share.…

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Thanks Jim. And let me be clear that the dividend that Jim has just described is not because we don’t have growth, we do. Look at slide 12, which shows the projects that will deliver $15 million ounces by 2016. If we can pay a dividend and grow over the next five years by expanding the Lucky Friday and reopening mines that fell victim to the price depression we had for almost 30 years. This slide provides a picture of where we are going to grow production. Of the last 90 days our thinking and work on the ground has progressed significantly. And the #4 Shaft has progressed according to plan I’ll cover that on the next slide. The #4 Shaft has been defined for well over a year, while on these mine reopenings, we are learning a lot. A quarter ago, we were not sure how long the rehab would take at the Star mine and the Equity ramp. As it turned out, they are both complete and we are in the final stages of powering them up for drilling. At the Star, we hadn’t identified the two separate studies that we’re now doing. The first, the mineability study is focused on getting the Star back into production in the next few years from the material in the upper country, which has a potential for $25 million ounces. This study will be ready by the end of the first quarter. The other, the dewatering study provides not only potential production from deeper resources at the Star, but also it generates additional exploration on the Star and the area between the Star and the Lucky Friday and ventilation opportunities for the Lucky Friday and this study will be complete within a year. At the San Juan equity ramps drilling will…

Dean W.A. McDonald

Management

Thank you, Phil. The longitudinal section in slide 14 shows the Noonday and Star Morning mining and exploration complex relative to the Lucky Friday expansion area. The Noonday resource and a serious of other veins shown in the upper part of the Star Morning area are above the current water level, and I’ll refer to as the Upper Country resources. As Phil mentioned, a scoping study on the mineability and cost structure of the Upper Country is in progress and will be completed before the end of the first quarter in 2012. A second study is designed to evaluate the refurbishment and dewatering cost to reestablish the Star Shaft and is expected to be finished in the third quarter of 2012. This would allow access to deeper resources that were previously defined as reserves, and open up significant areas for exploration. Additional underground development from the 7,500 level of the Star to the Lucky Friday expansion area would create a connection to enhance ventilation with the Lucky Friday and create an extensive exploration platform to evaluate veins between the two mines. Slide 15 is the longitudinal view of the Noonday vein system with the current resources defined in orange. Drill pierce points to the East and West of this resource from surface drilling are also shown in this figure. Drill intersections at the Noonday as reported yesterday in the exploration and predevelopment release indicate that particularly to the East mineralization has good continuity, is progressively more silver and lead rich and is open to the East. Access along the Star 2000 drift to the Noonday resources, has been completely rehabilitated and crews are currently preparing the underground drill stations. Later this month, definition and exploration of the Noonday vein system will commence and provide the detailed information to convert this…

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

So look at slide 22, it shows our guidance for Silver production we believe it will still be between 9 million and 10 million ounces, cash cost guidance for 2011 will be approximately $1 per ounce at current metals prices as previously stated, we expect our capital investments to be approximately $110 million versus the previous guidance of $115 million due to the timing of certain projects and it aims primarily at Greens Creek. Exploration is expected to be $27 million versus previous guidance of $32 million due to slower drilling rates and earlier arrival than anticipated conditions at Greens Creek and Silver Valley. And this will be the first time we report predevelopment expenditures this third quarter was the first time and for providing guidance now for the rest of the year $6.3 million of which $2.7 million is related to the Bulldog 1.8 for both the Star each for the Star and the Equity. Now predevelopment expenditures are costs incurred in the exploration stage that may ultimately benefit production such as an underground ramp development and our expense due to lack of proven and proper reserves basically it’s infrastructure that we expect to use once we’re in production. With that operator Stacy, if you can open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of John Bridges with JPMorgan. Please proceed.

John Bridges

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed

Good morning Jim, Phil how are you doing?

James A. Sabala

Management

Doing great, thanks John.

Phillips S. Baker Jr.

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed

Very well John, thank you.

John Bridges

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed

Just wondered your sales were a bit lower than we were looking for, you did say that you picked up, you had a bit of an accumulation of concentrated Greens Creek. Roughly how much metal do you think could come out in the fourth quarter?

James A. Sabala

Management

I don’t have the metal quantities with me right now John, but the value of the shipment was about $5.4 million.

John Bridges

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed

Okay. And then you are saying the grades of Greens Creek were bit lower than the track. What sort of profile do you expect running through into next year from Greens Creek?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Generally speaking John, the grades will improve I mean this is tenths of an ounce type of thing and that's always been the case; 2011 has always been the low point in our grades. Of course, as we see higher metals prices, we see the optimum lower cut-off grades and so you know we’ll take advantage of that where we can. But generally speaking in similar but slightly higher grade than what we have in 2011.

John Bridges

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed

Yeah, I was interested in that comment in the quarterly where you spoke about 11 being the low point. So you expect incremental growth from here rather than a flat and then a hockey stick in five years.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Yeah I guess the two things I would say that in terms of our current operations we have always have seen 2011 as in the mine plants as being the point where we had the lowest ounce production. And so that will on the margin increase over the course of the next five years. In five years time, in 2016 is when we see the full benefit of the #4 Shaft and the incremental production that comes from mining to deeper higher-grade material at the Lucky Friday. So we have that growth that doesn't happen until 2016. In the interim, additional growth that we might have will come from the Star, San Sebastian, San Juan and I would suggest it will probably, those things will go into production probably in that order although you could argue about which whether it’s going to be San Sebastian or the Star that will be first. How long that will take? Will it take the full five years to see one or more of those in production? We don't know at this point. We're at the very early stages, but I think there is a good chance; at least one or more of those go into production before 2016. So I'm anticipating that we probably will see not quite the hockey stick. At this point, we are not able to give you the details of it, so we're sort of asking you to focus on that 2016 step up in growth.

John Bridges

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed

Okay. And you are picking up better grades, in parts of Lucky Friday as well. That stuff in the fault zone, is that very chewed up, is that going to be a problem for the miners?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Well, I'm sure it's going to be more difficult than it’s, but there are wider blocks within that fault zone. Dean, do you want to comment on that?

Dean W.A. McDonald

Management

Yeah. John, we're really determining what are the wits of those blocks within these plays, frankly what excites me more is the fact that we're seeing the continuation of those veins the grades are staying very strong and really for me the upside is going to be to look across that fault where certainly my expectation is that we're going to see the 30 vein and some of the major intermediate veins carry on through rest of the Silver Fault. But to answer your fundamental question, certainly, early indications are that there are areas between those blocks that can be mined, but again, it's still very preliminary.

John Bridges

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed

Okay. That sounds like a much better outcome to be the other outside of fault. Excellent, I'll get out of the way. Many thanks and congratulations on the results, guys.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Thanks, John.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Lichtenheldt with UBS Securities Canada. Please proceed.

Chris Lichtenheldt

Analyst · Chris Lichtenheldt with UBS Securities Canada. Please proceed

Hey, everyone.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Hi, Chris.

Chris Lichtenheldt

Analyst · Chris Lichtenheldt with UBS Securities Canada. Please proceed

Just on Greens Creek quickly again. If my math is right, it looks like several recoveries in the third quarter dipped a bit a few percentage points relative to the second quarter. Is that accurate and if so I’m assuming what's going on there, that’s expected to increase them?

James A. Sabala

Management

It would be within normal variations. There is nothing that’s risen to a level of any concern Chris.

Chris Lichtenheldt

Analyst · Chris Lichtenheldt with UBS Securities Canada. Please proceed

Okay. That's fine. Just on grade again, fourth quarter, can you say if that would be, it should start picking up a little bit already or not until next year, is that the grade picks up at Greens Creek?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Look, there is probably a similar grade in the fourth quarter. And I'll tell you that our ability to predict, sort of one week to next is not high enough to be able to tell you specifically if the grade is going to increase or decrease, but it's going to be roughly in the same range that we are in right now.

Chris Lichtenheldt

Analyst · Chris Lichtenheldt with UBS Securities Canada. Please proceed

Okay. That’s great. Just on Lucky Friday, can you tell us how the thinking is going in terms of the pace that you have achieved at this point?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Well, we are just in the process of the transition from the setup of that to the sinking and we would anticipate that there will be at least two months of a learning curve. And I think we’re estimating only 2.5 feet or so a day during the learning curve period and that’s so we’ll be able to tell you if that eight feet a day is achievable probably in the first quarter, certainly possibly by the year-end calls, certainly by the first quarter call.

Chris Lichtenheldt

Analyst · Chris Lichtenheldt with UBS Securities Canada. Please proceed

Okay. That’s great, thanks a lot.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Thanks Chris.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Butler with Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler with Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed

Okay. Good afternoon guys. Your discussion on these three development projects seems to have taken us by maybe some positive surprise, but of course, more information coming in the future. So obviously as you said, but the just a question if you will on the Star predevelopment focus on the mineable study on the Upper Country, talk about 25 million ounces in the high level above the water level markets you will. What is the full resource in the ground left at Star, if you have that from your memory including the resources to the depths of about the 7300-foot level?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

So let me – I'm going to ask Dean to answer that question, but before he does, let me emphasize that the 25 million that we’re talking about is the potential that we see in the Upper Country. We certainly don’t have any resource of that size that we’re able to point to, it’s just when we look at a variety of veins that are in that Upper Country, we think there is that potential. Dean, do you recall what’s below the water table?

Dean W.A. McDonald

Management

Yeah. And just an additional comment Steve, on the Upper Country is that the drilling that I mentioned in the noon day and there’s the noon day split a number of other veins as we go to the east, we’re seeing a significant increase in the silver and lead. And so those ounces will come in on a resource estimate at the end of the year, and that’s actually consistent with what’s been seeing, as you transition from the Star, which was much more zinc-rich to the Morning, which was silver/lead, but that’s your original question, what we currently anticipate and we’re really going through and re-estimating the resources, but what was carried as a reserve in the Star in terms of silver was in the 25 to 30 million ounce range, but bear in mind that also had a great deal of zinc lesser lead. But what we are doing right now in fact is remodeling and re-estimating those resources.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler with Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed

Okay. And then San Juan was the official resource. Is it correct 37 million ounces that what I heard you say?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Yeah that’s not the exact number.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler with Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed

And is there also associated gold with those silver ounces guys?

Dean W.A. McDonald

Management

At the Bulldog very limited gold ounces where we’re seeing the gold is more in the North Amethyst and then in the Equity area. And the reasoning there is that we’re hiring the epithermal system. But with the Bulldog fairly limited gold at least so far.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler with Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed

Okay.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

We would – as we discovered as we explore to the north on the Bulldog that there is the potential for gold as we go north. In terms of the number of ounces it’s $25.9 million for our 70% shares. So 100% is roughly $37 million ounces.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler with Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed

Okay. Thanks. So and then lastly guys on San Sebastian or the Huge Zone/Andrea Zone again are there official resources on the books for the Huge Zone and or the Andrea Zone maybe not so much in Andrea but may just confirm?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Yeah. Andrea, there are no resources that are on our table on the Huge Zone, we got a million tons eight ounces and some nine million ounces of silver plus a substantial amount of zinc about 50,000 tons and lead 30,000 and there is also copper which we don’t have on this table.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler with Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed

Okay. That’s it guys. Thank you very much, thanks for the clarity.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Anthony Sorrentino with Sorrentino Metal. Please proceed.

Anthony Sorrentino

Analyst · Anthony Sorrentino with Sorrentino Metal. Please proceed

Hello everyone.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Hi, Anthony.

Anthony Sorrentino

Analyst · Anthony Sorrentino with Sorrentino Metal. Please proceed

Hi, just to follow up on San Sebastian and the Andrea deposits that deposit I believe continues not only silver but gold. So in your long range thinking when you bring San Sebastian back into production would that produce both silver and gold?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Yes. It is a silver/gold rich vein system, in fact it was interesting when I look at it, it reminds me of what we mined on the Francine vein for five years, which was extraordinarily high-grade silver with almost an equivalent amount of gold and generated very low cash costs sort of zero or subzero cost back when the price of gold was 280, 290. So this is mines made that, I don’t think it’s going to be quite as high grade if that was or have the same continuity, but it looks very interesting.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Anthony Sorrentino with Sorrentino Metal. Please proceed

Okay. And on another matter, did you increase the revolving credit facility in case you find an acquisition opportunity?

James A. Sabala

Management

Look we increased it because we thought it made good sense to have additional liquidity for whatever purpose we might have. And certainly when we look at our cash position, we feel very comfortable with it. But when we look at the opportunities that we have just with the projects we have in hand, we think these things could move quickly and we would want to have capital available or if there’s an acquisition opportunity. So we’re not limiting ourselves.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Anthony Sorrentino with Sorrentino Metal. Please proceed

Okay. And of acquisition possibilities that you may have considered or may be considering, what conditions have they failed to meet because obviously you’ve not made an acquisition?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

I guess I’m not going to comment on things that we’ve considered what I will say is it takes two to Tango and so we have to find the transaction where we want to buy it and they want to sell. So that hadn’t happened at this point.

Anthony Sorrentino

Analyst · Anthony Sorrentino with Sorrentino Metal. Please proceed

Okay, very good and I'm not in any rush you have great internal opportunities and I not rashly making acquisition that would potentially lower the rate of return of the company.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Okay. Thanks Anthony for that.

Anthony Sorrentino

Analyst · Anthony Sorrentino with Sorrentino Metal. Please proceed

Okay.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your next question comes from the line of Mike Curran with RBC. Please proceed.

Michael Curran

Analyst · Mike Curran with RBC. Please proceed

Good afternoon. I just wondered can you remind us when you ran San Sebastian in the past it was basically gold, silver. (Inaudible) if guys had a plant there and if you did is a plant still there has it been sort of broken down and slowed off over the years or what you have to start with there?

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Hi Mike, first thing is the upper portion of the Francine vein was this rich silver, gold the Huge Zone, which is what 300 meters

Michael Curran

Analyst · Mike Curran with RBC. Please proceed

Yeah.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Below it is a silver base metals rich deposit. So yes, we did have a plant that we did sell that plant was designed for that upper portion and it was 100 kilometers away. So when we had the tough times in 2008, we did go ahead and sell it back then. So we will start new but we think that’s going to work out well, because we will be able to size something and develop something right there on sites that can fit these ore body.

Michael Curran

Analyst · Mike Curran with RBC. Please proceed

Great, thanks. Yeah, I couldn’t remember if you had a (inaudible) sitting around, but yeah, I forgot that it was quite a different way.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Hey, Mike it is a 100 year old company. We do have various bits of things that are sitting around, so we’ll have some stuff to start with.

Michael Curran

Analyst · Mike Curran with RBC. Please proceed

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of [Greg Poulter] with Aspen Alpha. Please proceed.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey, guys great quarter

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Thanks

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Just a quick question on the base metal hedges. Are there any marketing conditions in which you’ve closed out those hedges are they really just hedging against possible economic demand declines a lot of plans are additional hedging in the future.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Greg that’s a good question and certainly when we see the price of the base metals fall we will consider whether monetizing that benefit make sense and then, look for the opportunity to put those hedges back on. We don’t have the criteria set up for when we might exactly do that, but we certainly would evaluate whether that make sense or not. Jim, do you want anything to that?

James A. Sabala

Management

No, second part of his question is, would we do any additional. It’s worked out well for us, we’ve got a very disciplined approach we have a price grid, which has prices that which we’re willing to hedge and quantities that we’re willing to do at given prices and obviously that’s proprietary, but as we reach those trigger points you know you can expect to see us be active. And our policy right now is that we can do up to 50% of our production after three years out we’re under that right now. And so if we got a bump in price prices, you could expect to see us active.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

How much under there are you if you can tell me?

James A. Sabala

Management

Quite a ways. Overall, we’ve got the data in our press release. The total was 42,000 metric tons of zinc I think in my opening comments, now we produce about 51,000, so if you took half of that 25,000 a year, just because I can do the math, that would be 75,000 that you could hedge versus 43,000 that we currently have tied up the same relationship in our lead production.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That’s great. Thanks for showing some light on that. No more questions.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Okay. Thanks, Greg.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you guys.

Operator

Operator

And at this time, I’d like to turn the call over to Mr. Baker for closing remarks.

Phillips S. Baker Jr. -

Management

Well thanks much for attending the call. If you have any further questions feel free to get Melanie a ring. Thanks a lot. Bye.

Operator

Operator

We thank you for your participation in today’s conference. This does conclude your presentation. You may now disconnect. And have a great day.