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Huntington Ingalls Industries, Inc. (HII)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Sat, Nov 5, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Third Quarter 2016 Huntington Ingalls Industries Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Dwayne Blake, Vice President of Investor Relations. You may begin.

Dwayne Blake

Analyst

Thanks, Sonia. Good morning, and welcome to the Huntington Ingalls Industries third quarter 2016 earnings conference call. With us today are Mike Petters, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Chris Kastner, Executive Vice President, Business Management and Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, statements made in today’s call that are not historical facts are considered forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of federal securities law. Actual results may differ. Please refer to our SEC filings for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to vary materially from anticipated results. Also, in their remarks today Mike and Chris will refer to certain non-GAAP measures, including certain segment and adjusted financial measures. Reconciliations of these metrics to the comparable GAAP measures are included in the appendix of our earnings presentation that is posted on our Web site. We plan to address the posted presentation slides during the call to supplement our comments. Please access our Web site at huntingtonIngalls.com and click on the Investor Relations link to view the presentation as well as our earnings release. With that, I’ll turn the call over to our President and CEO, Mike Petters. Mike?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Thanks, Dwayne. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on today’s call. We released third quarter 2016 financial results this morning that reflect solid overall operating performance driven by program execution at Ingalls. So let me share some highlights starting on Page 3 of the presentation. Sales of $1.7 billion were down 6.5% from last year and diluted EPS was $2.27 for the quarter compared to $2.29 last year. Free cash flow for the quarter was $194 million and $332 million year-to-date. We received $1.2 billion in new contract awards resulting in backlog of approximately $20 billion at the end of the quarter, of which $12 billion is funded. Now let me share a few operational highlights. At Ingalls, DDG-113 John Finn successfully completed Alpha builder’s trials, the first Arleigh Burke class C trials in nearly six years. In addition, strong NSC program performance continues as NSC-6 Munro successfully completed acceptance trials. Both ships are expected to deliver by the end of the year. Importantly, Ingalls was awarded two contracts for design work on the amphibious warfare ship replacement, the LX(NYSE:R), a new class of ships we are well prepared to build with a hot production line and mature learning curve given the hull form for this new class of ships is the same as the LPD class. Ingalls also won a competitively big contract to overhaul the destroyer DDG-61 USS Ramage. At Newport News, CVN-78 Ford is essentially complete, with less than 10% of the overall test program remaining to be completed. We are prosecuting the repairs on the main turbine generators and moving towards sea trials and delivery as efficiently as possible. This program, albeit challenging, has demonstrated great teamwork by our shipbuilders, our customer, and the forge crew, and I’m very proud of that collaboration, and…

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Thanks, Mike, and good morning. Today, I will review our third quarter consolidated and segment results, as well as provide you with a few updates for the full year. But first, I’d like to walk you through the transaction summary for our acquisition of the Camber Corporation, starting with Slide 4 of the presentation. As Mike mentioned, we signed a definitive agreement to acquire Camber for 380 million. The purchase price includes approximately 25 million of tax benefits. The purchase price net of the tax benefit represents a multiple of 8.6 times Camber’s adjusted EBITDA for its fiscal year ended June 30, 2016. We plan to fund the transaction with cash from the balance sheet, which at the end of the third quarter was 957 million, and we anticipate that the deal will close by year end. Camber generates low double digits to EBITDA margin with low capital investment and we expect the transaction to be accretive to cash flow and earnings per share in 2017. Moving on to our consolidated results on Slide 5 of the presentation, total revenues for the quarter were 1.68 billion, a decrease of 117 million, or 6.5% from third quarter 2015. The decrease was primarily due to lower volumes at Newport News, and to a lesser extent lower volumes at Ingalls. Total operating income for the quarter was 175 million, a decrease of 25 million, or 12.5% from the third quarter last year. Total operating margin was 10.4%, a decrease of 71 basis points from the same period last year. These decreases were driven by lower volumes and risk retirements at both Ingalls and Newport News, and partially offset by the favorable FAS/CAS adjustment. Turning to Slide 6 of the presentation, cash from operations was 254 million and free cash flow was 194 million…

Dwayne Blake

Analyst

Thanks, Chris. As a reminder to everyone on the call, please limit yourself to one initial question and one follow-up so we can get as many people through the queue as possible. Sonia, I’ll turn it over to you to manage the Q&A.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Jason Gursky of Citi. Your line is now open.

Jason Gursky

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Good morning, everyone.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Jason Gursky

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Mike, I’m wondering – I guess everyone there if you could maybe dive a little bit deeper into the most recent acquisition, talk a little bit about any kinds of revenue synergies that you might see over time. And then talk a little bit about the past forward on the margins and what’s going to allow for the margin expansion in this new division over the next couple of years, as you’ve laid out in your prepared remarks?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Sure. First of all, we’re very excited that we’ve been able to execute this transaction. Camber is a government services provider. They provide pretty high-end mission-based services and high-end IT solutions. They have a large Navy presence. We actually team with them on some opportunities with the Navy through our AMSEC subsidiary. But they also have access to other customers, the armies, the intel community, some other parts of the government that frankly some of the capabilities that AMSEC has could be deployed toward those customers and in return some of the customers that AMSEC has, like NAV-C could have access now. We can have more access for Camber to reach into that. I think in a broader sense, these two businesses together have an opportunity to pursue new customers that neither one of them could pursue on their own. And so we’re excited about that. We think that they are just a great strategic fit and frankly the initiative for this acquisition came from inside the business unit. It’s the folks on the deck plate that came and kind of suggested this and we took off – we’ve been looking at this for quite a while and we got it to work out, consistent with the discipline that we laid out in front of you a year ago. Beyond that, we’ve learned a lot from the acquisitions that we’ve done. One of the key things that we have learned is that the pace of the services business is very different than the pace of our normal shipbuilding business. I think we kind of knew that from our government services already, but I think that now that we have the scale with Camber and AMSEC, SN3, and NNI, we put all of those together, we now have the scale to…

Jason Gursky

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

That’s great. Chris, can you just comment really quickly on the margin expansion and the source of that margin expansion as a new business?

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Sure. Initially the low margins, as Mike indicated, are a result of UPI being in the mix and being challenged coming out of the gate and then some investments we’re making in the DOE space for SN3. So, naturally as UPI recovers and we’re successful in our initiatives relative to SN3, you should get a margin lift there. Camber and AMSEC performed very well already. We just need to ensure that we continue that performance.

Jason Gursky

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Got it. That makes sense. Thanks, guys.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Gautam Khanna of Cowen and Company. Your line is now open.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

Thanks. Good morning, guys.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

Chris, I was wondering if you could just get into a little bit more color directionally on the pension. You mentioned FAS/CAS is actually going to be up next year. Could you give us any sense for what the increase in cash contributions will be for the plan next year, discretionary to keep the 90%?

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

Yes, it’s a little early for that, and I know you’re frustrated with that answer. I’ll be able to give you that at the year-end call. But I wanted to give you some indication that net cash would be positive and at a similar level plus or minus $20 million from where we are this year from a net cash standpoint.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

Okay, that’s not terrible by any means. And you mentioned you did this deal obviously with Camber. Is there any change to the cash deployment strategy in terms of deploying 100% of free cash for dividends and buybacks, or how should we think about the M&A strategy as you --?

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

It’s a good question. It actually enhances it because there’s going to be more free cash to be distributed to shareholders. So we’re using cash on the balance sheet to do this. We’re still committed to investing in our shipyards; $1.5 billion over the next five years, and we told you about our dividend of the 20% increase earlier this week. And we’re still committed to at least a 10% increase over the next four years, and we’ll evaluate that as we come to our plans for those years. But really no change to the strategy; it just provides more cash flow for shareholders.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

Okay. And the last one, maybe Mike, can you update us on what the milestones we should be tracking for the Ohio class are?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

Yes, there’s a major milestone coming up this month we think that will kind of cut loose a lot of the contracting. I think the real question on Ohio class continues to be how the funding is going to work out. The business arrangement has been worked out. Our partners at General Dynamics and the Navy, we’ve got that all sorted out. We kind of know exactly the path ahead, now it’s just a question of can we get through the – can we get the funding straight and can we get out of the sequestered environment that’s kind of keeping a potential for a wet blanket on all of our plans. So that to me is the real big thing to pay attention to. The mechanisms inside the Pentagon are kind of on track.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

Thanks a lot, guys.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open

You bet, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Sam Pearlstein of Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open.

Sam Pearlstein

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Sam Pearlstein

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

Chris, can you talk about the – you said you’re funding this acquisition with cash on hand. How should we think about how much cash you need to hold on the balance sheet to run the business? Because it looks like you’ve been $900 million to $1 billion in cash for four or five years now, so are you now going to be able to run at a lower level?

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

Yes. I’m comfortable between $500 million and $600 million on the balance sheet and even beneath that. We have a revolver in place that I really wouldn’t want to tap in for operational issues, but our balance sheet is very healthy and I’m comfortable at the $500 million to $600 million level for sure.

Sam Pearlstein

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

Okay. And then the capital spending increase this year in terms of just the percentage of sales, is this timing? Have you pulled things forward from '17, so that maybe '17 is then a little bit lower? How should I think about it between the two years?

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

We’ve expected this strong capital spend in 2016 for a while. Remember it was 3.5% to 4.5% as we started the year and we’re drifting between 4% and 4.5% now. We think that '17 is going to be a strong year for capital. All these initiatives are started. I drove by the north yard last week and a lot of activity, preparing for the ORP program, a lot of work going on down there. So these major projects have been initiated, and I expect significant capital not only this year but next year.

Sam Pearlstein

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

Okay. And then one last question is just on the Board. Is there any way to think about – are there any financial implications of the delay in the acceptance there?

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

We have re-phased our issues [ph] to reflect the work to go on the contract and there is a minor adjustment, not significant enough to mention within the quarter, that we’ve already taken into consideration.

Sam Pearlstein

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

Thank you.

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from George Shapiro of Shapiro Research. Your line is now open.

George Shapiro

Analyst · Shapiro Research. Your line is now open

Yes. Chris, following up on Sam’s questions, so the implication though as to even to get to 4% of sales for CapEx is the fourth quarter has got to be like 130 million, which is almost as big as the first nine months put together. So I know the fourth quarter is always strong, but it’s not usually that strong. So maybe you can just talk a little bit about why it’s going to spike up so much?

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Shapiro Research. Your line is now open

Yes, there’s some major investment going on at Newport News. As I said with the ORP program and some significant invoices related to those buildings as well as the fixtures there. So always a couple invoices could slip into next year, but I look at this significant basis on a monthly basis and I fully expect to be between 4% and 4.5% for the quarter.

George Shapiro

Analyst · Shapiro Research. Your line is now open

Okay. And then one for you, Mike. How do you trade off making this acquisition, which is modestly accretive, but it would be bigger accretion if you just used the cash to buy back stocks. How do you trade that off in your own mind?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Shapiro Research. Your line is now open

Well, I think the first place I’d start with, George, is where’s your horizon? This is a long-term business and we have a customer, our Navy customer, has a 30-year plan that we’re trying to figure out how best to support it. And so we might be able to feel good about something we could do in what we would call the short-term, which is like three to five years. But the real question is how do you build the right set of capabilities for this company to partner and support all of our principal customers for the long term? So we have a plan today that’s going to increase our dividends by 10% a year. We have a plan today that returns with the dividends and the stock buybacks. We’re going to return all of our free cash flow to our shareholders over the next five years and we’re going to do this transition without affecting that. And as Chris pointed out, this transaction actually increases the cash flow. There’s a trade-off there, but I’m not sure it’s really that hard to figure out which way we need to go, because we still have to keep our eye on a horizon that’s pretty far away.

George Shapiro

Analyst · Shapiro Research. Your line is now open

And then just to follow up on that, the future acquisitions I would assume will be more in this service area as opposed to the oil and gas?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Shapiro Research. Your line is now open

Yes, sure. This is consistent with what we said a year ago that we’re going to execute in our core business, we’re going to grow our services, and we’re going to return all of our free cash to our shareholders. The oil and gas basis, I think that 10 years from now we’re going to be glad we were in that space, but it’s been pretty rocky for the past few years. And right now if you try to – even if you try to do something over in that space, I think valuation becomes a crapshoot. So we’re not terribly interested in rolling the dice like that. But we’re very proud to be in that business and we’re proud of the work that we do in that space, and we keep a close eye on it.

George Shapiro

Analyst · Shapiro Research. Your line is now open

Okay. Thanks very much.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Shapiro Research. Your line is now open

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Doug Harned of Bernstein. Your line is now open.

Finbar Sheehy

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is now open

Good morning. It’s Finbar here for Doug.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Finbar Sheehy

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is now open

I’m wondering if you could – just on the Newport News side, you said that there’s a lower volume on VCS Block III, which sort of came I guess sooner than the ramp up of volume on Block IV. Is that an accident of timing in the quarter, or is there more of a clear revenue dip in recovery pattern we should be thinking about as you transition between blocks?

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is now open

Yes, you used the right word. It’s transitional. So Block III to Block IV, CVN-72 to CVN-73 for the RCOH efforts and then CVN-78 to CVN-79. So it’s kind of a gradual transition. We still expect it to be essentially flat over the next couple of years. That being said, we’re rolling up our plans right now and we’ll have some more visibility in that at our year-end call.

Finbar Sheehy

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is now open

Okay. And to follow up on the services business and creating the new segment, you commented that the new segment would initially have fairly low margins and part of that is coming from margins that are currently showing up in the other segment. But does it also have implications that you would be moving low-margin work out of the shipbuilding segments and possibly reporting them at a nominally higher level going forward?

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is now open

Absolutely. You’re going to get a lot more visibility into the shipbuilding margins directly related to shipbuilding. So part of the transparency is not only on our services segment, but the transparency that you get related to shipbuilding. So we’re still committed to 9% to 10% return on sales in shipbuilding and I think that’s the right margin for that business.

Finbar Sheehy

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is now open

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from Peter Skibitski of Drexel. Your line is now open.

Peter Skibitski

Analyst · Drexel. Your line is now open

Good morning, guys.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Drexel. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Drexel. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Peter Skibitski

Analyst · Drexel. Your line is now open

I got on a bit late, so I’m sorry if you addressed this. But the 8.3 million nonrecurring expense and then the 12.6 million intangible amortization, are both of those one timers in the fourth quarter and then go to zero in '17, or is the 12.6 million kind of flattish for a number of years? I’m just wondering how that works.

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Drexel. Your line is now open

Yes, the 8 million is definitely a one-timer. The 12 million extends out for a while.

Peter Skibitski

Analyst · Drexel. Your line is now open

Okay, got it. And then on the Ingalls margins, as I look back to even back to 2014 on an adjusted basis, Ingalls has been in the – really in the solid double-digit margin rates, so I’m wondering when we should start thinking of this segment in particular as kind of a 10% to 12% margin unit going forward or has this been some type of secular issue that’s going to abate soon, or how should we think about that?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Drexel. Your line is now open

Yes, I think you should think about it as the latter. Only from the standpoint of if you look at where that business is, they’re executing mature programs today and they’re executing them very, very well. But on the horizon is a new LXR program, there’s going to be a new competition for the DDG program. We’re just getting started really right on the front end of LHA-8, which we just won this summer. There’s a whole big discussion about an icebreaker program. So these new programs that are out there in the next – in the five-year timeframe are kind of the cycle of the business. And a big part of what Ingalls has to do is go capture a lot of that work. Clearly their performance that they have is going to help them capture that work, but they’ve got to go capture it. And then just like Newport News is going through a transition, they’ll go through a transition as well. They are benefiting right now from working – doing really good work on what had been some pretty tough programs, and they’re being rewarded for it.

Peter Skibitski

Analyst · Drexel. Your line is now open

Okay, very helpful. My last one on Newport News on the margins this quarter, is that pretty much all related to the forward delay, or is it the lower volumes? And should we expect kind of year-to-date around 8 percentage or so? Is that the right level to be at until you’re out of this transition period, which I can’t remember if that’s kind of second half of '17, or when we break out of that? Can you speak to that?

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Drexel. Your line is now open

There was some broad-based pressure related to increased CAS cost at Newport News as well. So I would expect total shipbuilding to be between 9% and 10%. I really would rather not talk about individual yards return on sales performance.

Peter Skibitski

Analyst · Drexel. Your line is now open

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joseph DeNardi of Stifel. Your line is now open.

Joseph DeNardi

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

Thank you. This just goes back to a prior question, but Mike you’ve talked about kind of a healthy margin being 9% to 10% when you strip out the services business, and what does that become going forward?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

No, that’s actually it’s going – we think that the healthy yard is 9% to 10%. We’ve been operating with services buried inside of Newport News for almost six years, which has been a pressure on Newport News in terms of the 9% to 10%. So stripping this out, what you’ll see is our two shipbuilding segments. I would love to be able to tell you that each of those segments would operate in the 9% to 10% range in a healthy way, but what you’re actually seeing now is what we’ve been talking about. Newport News is going – we’ve been talking about the transition at Newport News for quite a while now. These carrier deliveries that are coming up and then the transitions that Chris mentioned, 78 transitioning to 79, 72 refueling transitioning to 73, the VCS Block III transitioning to Block IV, the startup of the ORP program. Those transitions are happening at Newport News, which that puts them on the lower end of that range. On the other end, Ingalls is at the top end of the range, simply because they are executing very mature programs and they’re doing it exceptionally well. And so between them today you see – you kind of see between the two units how what I think if we lived in the best of all possible worlds you would see that could happen inside of any particular shipyard. We’re just a little bit out of phase at Newport News right now, but we’ll work our way through that over the next 12 to 18 months. And at Ingalls, the question is business development. Can you go capture the new work that’s out there and get it on time? And all of that is why we keep saying that you have to figure out how to get ORP funded, because if you try to take the ORP funding out of the Navy shipbuilding account, it’s going to squeeze programs down and delay them, which will have effect in our shipbuilding business. We think that’s an industry-wide problem, it’s not just an HII problem. But I think it’s the number one issue facing the Navy shipbuilding account, and it’s a subset of the major issue of what the heck are we going to do about sequestration, because we’ve got to get that fixed.

Joseph DeNardi

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

Okay, that’s helpful. And then can you just give us an update on CVN-79 just maybe in terms of kind of percent complete at this point and just how the construction’s going?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

It’s going really well. We set some pretty good budgets for our labor cost down there and we’re essentially meeting all of those.

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

It’s a bit over 20% complete --

Michael Petters

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

A bit over 20% complete. That includes material procurement, but we’re doing pretty well. We’re hitting our targets there.

Joseph DeNardi

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

Great. And then just lastly, just on Camber and kind of the services business going forward, mid-single digit margins is okay. It’s not particularly exciting. So are there any other financial metrics? You talked about the business opportunities, but other financial metrics that you look at that gets you guys excited whether it be a return on capital, that type of thing?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

Well, I think we started last year. We told you that our shipbuilding businesses are return on sales kinds of business and our services businesses really need to be a return on capital business, and that’s what excites us about this headline of 5% or 6% or 7% may not get you moving, but a return on the capital investment is minimal. So it’s really about people, it’s about the intellectual property that they bring, and the relationships they have with their customers, and the ability to create cash at the bottom line for our shareholders, and that’s what’s exciting to us. I’m excited that we actually were able to put together this transaction in a way that met the pretty disciplined guidelines that we laid out for you a year ago. We’re going to be creating more cash flow for our shareholders because of this transaction, and we’re excited about that.

Joseph DeNardi

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

Great. Thanks, Mike.

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

I will say the capital requirements are less than 1% for that organization on a run rate going forward, so that when you think about the difference in how we look at the capital – the investment returns, the capital requirements over there are very minimal.

Joseph DeNardi

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from Robert Spingarn of Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Robert Spingarn

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Christopher Kastner

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Robert Spingarn

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Mike, I wanted to ask a high level question as we talk about margins and with them performing so well at Ingalls lately in the double digits. When you have serial production in a program, and you referred to mature programs, should ship margins progress from ship-to-ship, or is there a point at which you’re sharing with your customer? You’ve been very clear about the business being a 9% to 10% margin. Might we get to a situation where the margins contracted on the back end of a serial production run?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

You could see that, Rob, if you define the serial production lines being across several contracts. Like the submarine program has had multi-ship contracts – Block III was several ships, now Block IV is several ships. When you go and you do a new contract in that you’re – in a sense, you’re not resetting back all the way to the beginning of the program, but you’re resetting the relationship between the customer and the industry from a performance standpoint. And how you did on the last contract definitely influences the way that contract looks. And that’s why we kind of, as we transition into these programs at the beginning of the contracts we become pretty conservative again. The last ship of Block III, we expect to do really well. The first ship of Block IV, we’re going to be pretty conservative on. That’s just the way we do it and I think that that’s indicative of the way the business arrangement with our customer works. And I think that – I think that’s probably how you could see that. In the normal course of business inside of a single contract, you should – if you have a multi-ship contract, you should see much better performance at the end of that program than you see at the beginning of that program. But then when you go and reset it for the next contract, you’re going to start all over again.

Robert Spingarn

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

So that makes sense. So, on a multiyear or multi-ship contract we think of all the ships in there as kind of the same way we would think of a single ship on a single ship contract?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Right. That’s right. The multiyear that we have with the DDGs, for instance, that will be another – not only will we reset based on performance, but we’re going to go compete it again. So that creates a whole new set of performance parameters for that next multiyear.

Robert Spingarn

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

But like on the LPDs, it would be one at a time. So there it would be a different dynamic?

Michael Petters

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Right. When you’re only doing one ship on the contract, your opportunity – the mistakes that I’ve seen and been involved with in my career have been where you have one ship following, you do an LPD and then you do another LPD, or you do a carrier and then you do another carrier. And you get out in front of your headlights in terms of risk retirement on the second ship before you’ve actually retired the risk. I think that’s the real problem that you have with the one ship contracts is you can get out in front of yourself if you’re not careful. Our system and our approach that we’ve adopted is fairly conservative and we do our best not to get out in front of ourselves on those single-ship contracts.

Robert Spingarn

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Okay. That’s all I have.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

So as an example on the 79, we’re hitting our milestones on the 79 and we’re pleased with progress there. But we’re not about to take a victory lap on it, because we still got 80% of that ship to go. And we’re going to be pretty conservative because we have a good sense of all the things that could not be retired between now and the delivery of the ship.

Robert Spingarn

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Okay. Thanks, Mike.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. And I’m showing no further questions. This does conclude our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mike Petters for any further remarks.

Michael Petters

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Thanks everybody for joining us today and thanks for your interest in our company. We continue to be consistent with what our path to 2020 strategy is. We’re going to execute in our core business. We’re going to continue to grow our services. We think that that’s going to generate more cash for our shareholders and more value for our company. And so we’re excited about the recent announcements and transaction, and we’re really excited about the future of this business. We thank you for joining us today, and we look forward to seeing you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This completes today’s program. You may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.