Robert A. Philpott
Management
Okay. So let me take them in the order that you asked them. First of all, you're right. We listened hard to people saying to us that they'd wanted to see the Trillium Software business as split apart, and when we did the strategic review of the business. In fact, that backed up that, essentially, this was somewhat largely independent of the Customer Interaction division. So it was a relatively straightforward step then to take to begin to talk about these 2 divisions in separate terms and to provide separate financials. The only real back-office support or commonality between Trillium Software and Customer Interaction are around the sort of standard corporate support functions, things like the accounting function, taxation, legal, even down to HR. The rest of back-office, if you're talking about sort of their technology development and client teams and such like, there really is no attempt to do a single back-office in those sorts of areas. These businesses operate in separate spaces occasionally, and increasingly, it's more by coincidence than any design. They cross each other's space, and therefore, we intend to allow them to have full operational independence from one another, just with those corporate functions at the background. Let me talk, Dan, a little bit about your second question, which was about building the depth of the relationship with key clients and going just beyond being seen as executors of specific projects or having clients pick point solutions from us. Some of the way in which we're doing that is by getting our teams much more connected and as I mentioned in the -- in my commentary a little earlier, we've seen some good progress on the way in which our agency teams working with the database group, the contact centers working with the agency team. There are lots of examples of us now trying to think of a solution for the clients or of being a solutions partner for the clients' marketing activity rather than just going in to respond to an RFQ for a package. It means when we go in front of our clients, we need to be joined up, we need to be familiar with each others' services within the businesses and connect those into something that's more programmatic, rather than specific solution. And we are also increasing the expertise that we have around, particularly, industry segments, so that we go in with knowledge of the techniques that we have and understanding of the industry that these clients work in, and then the thing that we're famous for, which is our absolute ability to execute flawlessly. And it's combining those and being seen as a joined-up organization rather than one which has separation as its theme, which is allowing us to win the extended relationship contracts.