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Hilton Grand Vacations Inc. (HGV)

Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 3, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Hilton Grand Vacations’ Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded and will be available for replay beginning at 2:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time today. The dial-in number is 888-203-1112 or 171-945-70820 and enter PIN number 5231524. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode and the floor will be opened for your questions following today’s presentation. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Robert LaFleur, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Robert LaFleur

Analyst

Thank you, [Maraiya] (Ph). Welcome to the Hilton Grand Vacations second quarter 2017 earnings call. Before we get started, we would like to remind you that our discussion this morning will include forward-looking statements, actual results could differ materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements and the forward-looking statements made today are effective only as of today. We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise these statements. For a discussion of some of the factors that could cause actual results to differ, please see the risk factors section of our previously file 10-K or our 10-Q, which we expect to file later today. In addition, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures in our call this morning. You can find definitions and components of such non-GAAP numbers, as well as reconciliations of non-GAAP and GAAP financial measures discussed today in our earnings press release and at our website at investors.hgv.com. This morning, Mark Wang, our President and Chief Executive Officer, will provide highlights for the second quarter 2017, in addition to an overview of current operations and Company strategy. Jim Mikolaichik, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, will then provide more details on our second quarter and expectations for the balance of 2017. Following their remarks, we will open the line for questions. With that, let me turn the call over to Mark.

Mark Wang

Analyst

Well, thank you, Bob, and good morning everyone. This quarter’s results demonstrate the strength and versatility of HGV’s direct-to-consumer business model and the power of our highly aligned relationship with Hilton. Operationally HGV’s business is performing well across the board and we all see business having great second quarter as our marketing teams delivered high single-digit tour growth and our sales teams delivered double-digit contract sales growth. Both Mainland and Asia Pacific region performed with Las Vegas, Myrtle Beach, Hawaii and Japan all seeing double-digit sales growth. Overall this second quarter contract sales were up 11% driven by 9.5% higher tours and 1.6% increase in VPG. Considering the tough second quarter of 2016 comps last year, we are very pleased with these results. As you can see, contract sales growth this quarter was more reliant on tour growth and VPG. last quarter was more VPG driven, which highlights the dynamic nature of our business and the multiple levers we have to drive growth. While the comps remain tough for the balance of the year, our strong first half results and building sales momentum gives us confidence to raise our full contract sales guidance to 6.5% to 8.5% from 5% to 7%. This quarter’s real estate results in 2017 tablet demonstrate the distinct competitive edge we have enjoyed from combining our powerful sales and marketing platform with Hilton brand and its marketing reach and we only see this advantage growing overtime. Last week Hilton reported 5.5 million new members have joined Hilton HHonors this year up 20% over last year. To-date Hilton HHonors has 64 million members and plans to have a 100 million by 2019. We are Hilton’s second largest [indiscernible] and our interests are highly aligned to variable license agreement. As Hilton grows, we grow and we couldn’t be…

James Mikolaichik

Analyst

Thank you, Mark and good morning everyone. As Mark indicated we had another quarter of high quality performance. While 2016 set a high standards for growth comps, we remain focused on the balance of the year and in fact are increasing the guidance for many of our key measures. I will review the updates for our guidance after discussing our operating results. Looking at our 2017 second quarter results, our key financial and performance metrics demonstrated strength across business lines. With the real estate line leading the way, second quarter revenues were $439 million an increase of $48 million or approximately 12% in comparison to the second quarter of 2016. Real estate revenues increased by $30 million led by a 25% increase in sales of VOI net and a $10 million one-time benefit related to a change in accounting estimate related to marketing packages. Net income in the quarter was $51 million and this represented a $4 million increase over second quarter of 2016, as some of the operating gains were offset by the year-over-year increases in general and administrative expenses. We also benefited from a lower income tax provision which resulted from the lower expected interest due on our tax deferred revenue that we discussed last quarter. As a result our effective tax rate decreased to 39% in the quarter from 41% in the second quarter last year. And at this point, our full-year tax rate is likely to normalize at approximately 39% for 2017 which is lower than expected and reflected in our updated guidance. Turning to our operating segments, total segment adjusted EBITDA increased by 12% in the second quarter to $151 million. Second quarter results in the real estate business line experienced an increase in contract sales of 11% with own sales up 31% and fee-for-service…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will take our first question from Harry Curtis with Nomura Instinet.

Harry Curtis

Analyst

Hey good morning everyone. Quick follow-up question on Elara, if you could discuss the environment for the possibility of additional Elara like transactions, and are you likely continue taking minority positions or is their appetite for majority positions?

Mark Wang

Analyst

Yes, Harry its Mark. Just a little background on that, we have been involved with Elara since 2011, we looked at as very low risk deal for us and in our opinion it’s the finest timeshare in Vegas, incredible location on the strip, 1200 units, it’s a single biggest timeshare ever built in one building. So, when the process was, [indiscernible] went through the process, we are a logical buyer, I think we ended up with 25% stake which we thought made the more sense and it aligned our interest on the project. And it’s also generating very strong returns on our investment. I think as we look at future deals, we have a number of other deals that are maturing and so I think there are some other opportunities, but nothing at this point that we can talk about in detail.

James Mikolaichik

Analyst

I think Harry, we are open to minority or majority, I think minority made sense to us on this deal, because it was less strategic and more economic for us, it wasn’t a new distribution area and as a result we thought putting some money to work to improve the economics, made a lot of sense for good returns, but didn’t put too many of our eggs in one basket, because we do have quiet rich development pipeline beyond that.

Mark Wang

Analyst

Yes and I would also add, I think it really shows our ability to bring in new deals with their aimed structures, which gives us flexibility on how we can best allocate or our capital going forward.

Harry Curtis

Analyst

Okay and thank you for that and then my follow-up question, Jim, you mentioned threw out in rapid session some of your expectations for G&A and I’m just wondering if you can specifically address the extent to which your expenses this year are impacted by one-time items, you mentioned may be 80% to 90% number, but I’m not sure if that was apples-to-apples.

James Mikolaichik

Analyst

I think we are looking at about $92 million of P&L expense in 2016 from a G&A standpoint, we guided to 18% to 20% which is approximately $109 million to $110 million I think. 80% of that we are expecting to be above the line recurring and the other 20% split evenly between stock-based comp and one-time. And of the one-time expenses we do think some of those don’t really fit the name because they are going to creep into next year. Largely I think it’s system driven on financial and benefit systems. As we are expecting a couple of million dollars to creep out of it roughly $10 million into next year.

Harry Curtis

Analyst

And as you look into next year you had mentioned developing new tour trend channels, new marketing and distribution. Is there likely incremental expense next year that we should factor in?

James Mikolaichik

Analyst

We are looking at a couple of new distribution opportunities, nothing that we have discussed or have concrete plans on at this point. So I think what we are looking at right now is more business as usual and really incremental. So I would expect margins to remain relatively consistent. We do think that we have got really healthy margins to begin with, so we don’t see a ton of upside. If we did have something that was a brand opportunity from a distribution or tour generation, we would probably come back out and give you some additional guidance on that. But right now it’s incremental and more business as usual.

Harry Curtis

Analyst

Okay, that does it for me. thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We will take our next question from Brandt Montour with JP Morgan.

Brandt Montour

Analyst · JP Morgan.

Hey. Good morning, guys and thanks for taking my questions. Your revised contract sales guidance, it implies a modest acceleration in the second half obviously due to tougher comps that you had coming up. Is it fair to say that the main drivers in second half of that contract sales growth will be tour growth. Can you may be shed some light on maybe forward tours booked and how comfortable you are with that and maybe the ongoing ramp of your two new sales centers as well?

Mark Wang

Analyst · JP Morgan.

So Brandt I think in the back half of the year we continue to see some of the trends we saw in quarter two where we are getting higher percentage of new buyer tours, its outpacing our owner tours which is great for embedding future value in our business and it did achieve our goal of strong NOG. But with that it’s really a mix shift. And so I think what you are going to see is you are going to see a slight reduction year-over-year VPG on the back half. And again as we talked about last few quarters in 2016 represented very high comparables, also we were lapping the start up sales in DC in Hilton and so which started contributing back in Q3 of last year. So I would say the back half of the year is you are going to see a bit of a slowdown in VPG, but our tour flow visibility is looking good in fact we got a good ramp up, our pipeline grew considerable in Q2 and that’s some of the pressure we had on our cost as we started investing in future customers.

Brandt Montour

Analyst · JP Morgan.

Great, that helpful. Thanks. And just a follow-up, regarding Japan and kind of early strategy there, I just wanted to ask you about potentially the ramp there versus other markets and basically given the fact that you have that solid base owners already living there, which consider that relatively low risk market for you versus other new markets that you are thinking about.

James Mikolaichik

Analyst · JP Morgan.

We do, because of the base of owners, I don’t think anybody out there in our spaces has been able to develop a market scale like this in any other country than U.S. and we have got 56,000 members here today, our net owner growth continues to be slightly better in that market than what we are seeing in the U.S. and so we have got a incredible team, incredible distribution network. As I said in prepared remarks, we just opened our 9th sales center there in Sapporo and importantly I think from a development risk stand point we are not looking to be the lead developer on the project more than likely these will be just-in-time deals and we will be working with very seasoned and experience developers there that know how to get that development there in an efficient manner and in a timely manner.

Brandt Montour

Analyst · JP Morgan.

Great, that’s it for me. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Bradford Dalinka with SunTrust.

Bradford Dalinka

Analyst · SunTrust.

Hey good morning everybody, I guess it’s still morning. Just a quick housekeeping question on Elara first if I can. On the capital structure, as I recall the securitization last year is that $211 million of debt inclusive of that is there consumer papers sitting in there, something about possibility for a sequel project in the agreement. Should we just look at kind of your share of 211 in the EBITDA or is that more do with that?

Mark Wang

Analyst · SunTrust.

We are treating it fairly as an investment, so we are gaining a stream of earnings from it, the debt and the securitizations everything lives within that entity and ultimately it lives in an entity below the JV that was purchased by the entity that we bought into. So I think you really need to look at it as the earnings that come off of it and we look at it more distinctly at the cash flow stream that’s coming off of the deal which we think returns after tax something in the high teens below 20s. if it meets our modeling expectations, there is 211 is piece of corporate debt and beyond that there is some securitizations, but that always within the enterprise and I think it’s probably easy if you just think about as an earnings stream.

James Mikolaichik

Analyst · SunTrust.

And Brandt on the question on the additional land, there is potential for an opportunity to add some more units there, but we valued and Blackstone valued that opportunity as zero, so we didn’t price that in, in our purchase price. We think it is more unlikely that any future development will happen at that site other than the conversion of the top four floors where we have the opportunity to convert what was designated for pent house units into additional HGV timeshare units.

Bradford Dalinka

Analyst · SunTrust.

Understood, and one more if I could sneak it in there. When you guys took up the contract sales guy, was there any geography or channel that outperformed the expectations or was it just general to everything clicking on all cylinders?

Mark Wang

Analyst · SunTrust.

Yes. I have to say pretty much across the board, we have great performance, but if you look at just contract sales, Vegas and Carolina were both up 12% and 13% respectively, we had strong performance in Japan up 12% and in Waikoloa, our teams in Waikoloa continue outperform, we are up 19%. So it was pretty much across the board. And then of course we benefited from our new distribution in DC and Hilton and which really contributed about close to 40% of our growth in tour flow.

Bradford Dalinka

Analyst · SunTrust.

Got it. Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will take our next question from Chris Agnew with MKM Partners.

Chris Agnew

Analyst · MKM Partners.

Thanks very much. Good morning. With respect to the free cash flow guidance that you increased and talked about timing issues. So just to be clear, as we are thinking about 2019 I’m not asking to give guidance, but just to make sure that if 140, 160 is kind of your long-term goal, we would be thinking more along the lines of the 100 million, 120 million in 2018 because that timing issue comes out next year.

Mark Wang

Analyst · MKM Partners.

It’s probably dependent on where we are with working through the construction in some of our development projects. But I mean I don’t know if it will be quite that low, I think it might an even share between the next two and I think it also had some to do with the shift of some of the payment timing. We expected to pay license fees at the beginning of the year which we actually ended up sweeping late last year in 2016 and so that shifted and there was a tax payment that went in our favor as well. So I do think it will be down a little bit to kind of level that out to 140, 160 but I don’t think it will be as low as what you are thinking.

Chris Agnew

Analyst · MKM Partners.

Okay, thank you. And then as you think about urban versus resort, the new projects, are either one of those more or less suited to fee-for-service or sort of just-in-time and does that influence your thinking about the timing on executing on either one of those or do these deals pull out when they fall? Thank you.

James Mikolaichik

Analyst · MKM Partners.

Yes I mean interesting question. I think for us we are fairly nimble in how we look at this and it’s a dynamic marketplace and so we are going to be opportunistic on the model. I think part of it really has to do with the potential partner and how they are looking to structure the deal. I would say we are heavily focused on just-in-time deals right now as we have got a good pipeline of fee deals and as I announced earlier we just added a new deal in Myrtle Beach. So I would say though, anything that’s coming out around that’s vertical we tend to be more focused those as fee deals, because here’s tremendous amount of capital that has to put in the ground to go vertical. Anything that’s horizontal where units can be built in phases, we prefer to do it just-in-time where we can take those on ourselves.

Chris Agnew

Analyst · MKM Partners.

Excellent. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen at this time, we will conclude the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to Mr. Mark Wang for any additional comments and closing remarks.

Mark Wang

Analyst

All right well I want to thank everyone who joined us on the call today, some great question, we covered a lot and look forward to talking you after Q3. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today’s call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.