Good day, everyone, and welcome to today's Heritage Global Inc. Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this call will be recorded. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to John Nesbett with IMS Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that this conference call contains forward-looking statements based on current expectations and projections about future events and are subject to change based on various important factors. In light of these risks, uncertainties and assumptions, you should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date of this call. For more detailed factors that could affect these expectations, please see our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Heritage Global's Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Ross Dove. Ross?

Thank you, John. Hello, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining. And once again, thank you for your continued interest. As always, Brian will drill down on the quarter's performance nuts and bolts across the board. Clearly, it was a solid quarter. And actually, more importantly, it was a solid quarter with no real concentration issues, but a solid quarter country-wide. We are proud to say we blew by the $2 million NOI goal to $2.2 million, and it felt very encouraging. Let me start by trying to add some color beyond the numbers on how we're currently feeling, where we see ourselves headed and with some of the reasons on the how and the why. So this last month, I was at a CEO peer group conference, a virtual conference of microcap and small-cap CEOs. We were all asked around the horn to basically talk about how we felt in this virtual room briefly about the state of the economy, how our company was facing its challenges in the current macro economy, et cetera. I spoke last. Pretty much everyone seemed to mirror each other's comments with the same safeguards I'm sure you're all hearing regularly, typical flight to safety, which makes sense in this macro geopolitical economy. They were saying it's very hard to forecast with so much uncertainty. They were saying, we're unsure when to hear and how severe the impact of the tariffs will be on our supply chains. They were then again reiterating it's unclear if capital will be available near term. Then it was my turn. I heard myself say, "Wow, Heritage Global feels really very, very able, very stable and very capable right now. I just have the sense we're built to last for whatever comes opportunistically." I know that sounded arrogant,…

Thank you, Ross, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin with a brief overview of our second quarter operating results before walking through our industrial and financial segment performance. I'll then conclude with consolidated financials. Consolidated operating income was $2.2 million in the second quarter of 2025 compared to $3.5 million in the second quarter of 2024. Our Industrial Assets division reported operating income of $1.3 million in the second quarter of 2025 compared to $2.1 million in the prior year quarter. Our Financial Assets division reported operating income of $2.2 million in the second quarter of 2025 compared to $2.7 million in the second quarter of 2024. Our Industrial Assets division had a solid quarter, benefiting from a high volume of auctions and steady asset pricing levels for both the auction and liquidation and refurbishment and resale segments. Our Appraisals business delivered a sound quarter with operating income of approximately $250,000 compared to a loss in the first quarter of the year. Our ALT business benefited from an increased number of auctions in addition to its core retail channel, achieving operating income of approximately $400,000 compared to a breakeven quarter in the prior year period. Taking out the $1.3 million in earnings achieved in the second quarter of 2024 from the Fenton, Missouri pharmaceutical plant, the Industrial Auctions Group, HGP, had improved day-to-day operating results this quarter compared to the prior year period. As we move through the second half of the year, we're focused on continuing to execute on the opportunities in our auction pipeline to build momentum and drive operational success. Our Financial Assets division delivered relatively consistent performance as compared to the second quarter of 2024 and drove strong sequential improvement in the quarter. We saw a meaningful improvement in the brokerage business, which continued to add…

Thank you, Brian. So I've been doing this a very long time. And the only thing I can give you is my feelings. It just feels like Heritage Global is in the right place at the right time with the right Board of Directors fully supporting us, the right young, strong management team other than old Ross, really ready to step forward. I couldn't pick a better time or a better opportunity for us to seize the day, to seize the month, to seize the year and to produce everything that we should produce. So we're at the point in time right now, the assets are there, the marketplace is there, and we're at a no excuses place that it's our turn to shine. Thank you all for paying attention, and thank you for your continued interest, and we're always around, and we're grateful that you're here with us. Brian and I are ready to take any questions that anybody has, and we're anxious to hear from you. Thanks again, and your lines are open.

[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Mark Argento with Lake Street.

Just a couple of questions here. First off, when we're thinking about just kind of 10,000 feet in terms of the model, you've kind of thrown out that $2 million in operating income. Is that kind of a good baseline for you guys the way the business is today kind of on a quarter in and quarter out basis? And if that's the case, how should we think about the opportunity to start nudging that higher? I think historically, you guys -- there's a decent amount of variability in terms of quarter in, quarter out operating income. But maybe just philosophically talk about how you're thinking about the business and how that could expand over time?

So in Q1, we were lower than the $2 million number. So it wouldn't be fair to say that by any stretch of the means, it's an automatic. We got to work really hard and everybody's got to perform and show up and things have to work to make over $2 million. We're 100 people, and we got to row hard. But it's a reasonable expectation. And our hope is to get it to where that is pretty much a baseline that we can build the platform and grow from. So looking at Q3 and looking at Q4, our goal is to get past the $2 million each quarter without M&A and without any special onetime significant big hit and have that be pretty much a really solid, proud operating company with growth platforms of both DNA organic growth, some spiked earnings and getting some M&A done. So it's fair to say we're very pleased with that quarter. We're not pleased with thinking that's going to be the quarter that we perform for the rest of our careers. So I'll take it for today. It's not the answer for tomorrow. The answer for tomorrow is to beat it up and go way past it.

Got it. And you mentioned, I think a year ago, $3.5 million, but $1.3 million of that was real estate. So you guys are kind of on par with kind of run rate with where you were last year.

We're always going to be close to getting one or have one because we're focusing on it on a regular basis. they're not an anomaly. So we've never seen the last one. They're just not the kind of transactions that you can pin a date on or forecast exactly when you close it or exactly when once you close it, you monetize it. I mean we have one in the works now that we're already in control of, and we have multiple ones that we're chasing. They're not in the $2 million number. And when we get them, that's where we leave past it, Mark.

Right. No, understood. That makes sense. In terms of the asset flows and kind of pricing. You touched a little bit on -- it looks like on the financial assets pricing continue to normalize. Are you guys seeing more portfolios coming to market? Any kind of anecdotal stories you have that you can share with us in terms of how you see that...

What the NLEX guys are telling me is that they're seeing now more meetings and more signing of people that haven't traditionally been using an outside broker or people that hadn't been selling over the last year or 2. So they're seeing some new entries to the market, coupled with the existing entries. The volume on the existing entries isn't really growing. Our good quarters are because we're continuing to maintain all of our clients, and we've been adding new clients to our portfolio or suite of existing clients. So our growth there is obviously that we think that we're gaining market share with new sellers, Mark.

Right. And shifting gears to tariffs. Obviously, you guys aren't directly impacted because you're typically reselling used equipment. But have you seen that play out in terms of more demand for used equipment, especially if somebody is looking to buy equipment that might have a tariff attached to it?

I think that really the reaction now is preliminary that we're seeing really good crowds when we have really modern equipment that it's a little bit harder to sell some of the older, more dated equipment. And there's really a lot of people that are very aggressive when their 6-month old, 1-year-old, 2-year-old equipment for kind of an early fear that they could have some troubles down the road in the supply chain, not always just with the cost, but with the timing, Mark, that when you're a biotech company and you need the assets or any kind of manufacturing company, it's not always as price sensitive. Sometimes it's time sensitive. And when it's time sensitive, they will pay a premium to get the equipment today, and that's when used equipment really can move the needle for us if we have it and it's 6 months to get it new. So it hasn't really got to a point where there's real fear in the market, but I'd say there's real concern in the market now.

[Operator Instructions] We'll move next to George Sutton with Craig-Hallum.

This is Logan on for George this afternoon. Congrats on quarter. Ross, as you talk about kind of new sellers coming into the NLEX market, I wonder if you can just give us a little more color on that? Like is it concentrated at all? Is it pretty broad-based? Kind of what types of companies are you seeing coming to the market?

So it is somewhat broad-based. I wouldn't really say that it's a lot of what you call the money center banks, the really the major big national banks. It will be a combination of regional banks, some of which have not been aggressive sellers, but kind of in this new economy where you're having the FDIC and people really want banks to really increase the comfort level by the regulators. You're seeing some more regional banks enter the market. You're seeing some of the, what I'll call, alternative lending companies that have now basically built up a larger amount of NPL assets than they had. Some of these companies obviously are only 2, 3, 4, 5 years old, and it took them a while to get to the point where they had to develop a program for selling nonperforming loans because they're not 50-year-old or 100-year-old financial institutions. So we're seeing some of the newer alternative lenders now growing to the point where they need the service. So it's kind of across the board. It's half fintech and half smaller banks. There's been an increase in the residential real estate portfolios we've been selling to. So overall, it's just kind of a healthy, steady growth, not some massive exponential growth, but a little bit more each quarter.

Got it. That's helpful. And then if we can turn to the acquisition front. I think you've previously indicated that there might be some opportunities for you in Europe. I'm just curious if that's still the case? And is the back and forth with tariffs having any impact on those potential conversations?

We're definitely in the marketplace to expand internationally. The first place to expand internationally would be obviously, in Europe. We're looking obviously at multiple opportunities. We're actively engaged with -- that is one of our strategies, and it's one of the strategies we've been talking about that is ongoing. So nothing material to announce other than there's no shift in that strategy. And we're further down the road than when we were not as far down the road.

Okay. Got it. And then if I can just throw out one more. On the specialty lending side with your large borrower, are you having any sort of traction with the legal collections, which I think you were kind of turning to? I'm just curious to get an update there.

I'll let Brian answer that. It's -- I mean, I would tell you it's steady as it goes, and I haven't had any earth-shattering news because it's a long haul and it's years and years before you get to an end result. So I guess I'm not as focused on it every 90 days, understanding now what a long haul it is. But Brian is focused on it. So Brian, I'll let you give the update.

Yes, sure. So we are working really hard on the underlying loans, the underlying collateral and working with everyone, as I said in the prior quarters, our senior lenders and the borrower, to essentially make the collateral or get the collateral into the most valuable spot or best position to collect over the long term. So work there has been a lot, and it's been progressing. I said at this point, we don't have any big news or key developments to disclose. However, we are trending in the right direction. We continue to pursue the legal initiative, and we're analyzing the data and the performance of all those accounts as we go throughout the year. And we're getting better data and better insight into how that looks. So that's kind of all I got for today.

We'll take our next question from David Marsh with Singular Research.

Ross, you caught my attention with your comment about regional banks on the financial asset side. Are you seeing any flow at all from other institutions that may be like less likely to be participants such as credit unions and things of that nature?

I mean across the board, there is a greater pressure for people to monetize nonperforming loans now. I mean, it started at the top with the fallout from commercial backed mortgage securities, and it's kind of trickled down into our space, which is primarily much more on the consumer focus. So pretty much across the board, people are looking at monetizing NPL on consumer loans. As you know, we've reached pretty much all-time highs in the amount of defaults right now. So there's a multiyear period of working through the existing amount of consumer defaults and they're across the board, they're everything from auto to credit card to buy now, pay later to peer-to-peer. They're pretty much not category specific. So they kind of touch every regional bank, and they kind of touch every alternative lending company from a BNPL to a peer-to-peer to a fintech. And what's happening now is simultaneously, every quarter, you read about somebody raising not a regional bank, but a fintech, another $100 million, $500 million, $1 billion. So it's putting more capital out into the marketplace. So we feel pretty safe going forward on that end of it. On the regional bank end of it, there's going to be, I think, growth in the regional banks wanting to have a really open, transparent platform rather than just selling direct, but a competitive marketplace right now. I mean, prices are not going up. So with prices not going up, they want to make sure they're getting the right price. And the best way to get the right price pretty much at least is our belief, is through enough exposure and having enough different potential buyers look at the assets. So we think that the regional bank business is going to grow from people who don't want to just deal with one buyer, but want to look at the marketplace at large. So the NLEX team feels pretty comfortable that their business is in a great position for the next year or 2.

Yes. It sounds like you have some pretty strong momentum there. That's pretty encouraging for you all. Not sure it's great for the overall economy, but it's great for you guys. And another one of the companies that I cover just had a -- they have a call center business for a solar operator and solar operator went bankrupt. Is that something that you guys have played in the past?

We've done dozens of solar projects, everything from the complete manufacturing plants down to a massive amount of the actual physical inventory for literally 40 or 50 different companies over the long run. We were kind of the early innovator in taking solar assets to the marketplace. when we did the Solyndra auction, which was the -- during the Obama administration, you can remember, Solyndra was kind of the big political, really major solar difficulty that came #1. So that kind of branded us in the solar industry. But every quarter, pretty much since then, we've done solar projects. So it would be not as big a business for us right now as our pharma business, but it's an ongoing business that we're an industry leader in.

Got it. That's helpful. Yes, I guess some of these new regulations took a toll on this little solar operator. I don't know, maybe you guys can shed more...

A lot of it was there was a lot of impact from solar moving not just to North America, but the Asian companies became pretty dominant in the solar industry, which impacted a lot of the North American manufacturers, which eventually trickled down to some of the installers, et cetera. So -- and it's also in any kind of relatively new industry, even though it's 15 or 20 years old, it's still going through Darwinian transactions and M&A and there'll be ongoing activity for multiple years in the solar sector that we intend to kind of stay with.

Congrats on the quarter and good luck for the rest of the year.

Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] And it does appear that there are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to management for any additional or closing remarks.

This is Ross. I'd like to thank everybody who's paid attention, everybody who joined in and listened. We're feeling good about where we're at. Hopefully, as investors, you're feeling good about our performance and our ability, and we know that it's time to go from doing good to doing great. So our focus isn't on just doing good. Our focus is on stepping it up and building from here. So hopefully, you'll stick with us. And hopefully, we'll do what's needed to earn your trust and respect going forward. Thank you all, and everybody, have a -- thank you all, period. Goodbye.

This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time, and have a wonderful afternoon.