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The Hackett Group, Inc. (HCKT)

Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 19, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to The Hackett Group Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Your lines have been placed on listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session. Please be advised the conference is being recorded. Hosting tonight’s call are Mr. Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO and Mr. Rob Ramirez, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Ramirez, you may begin.

Robert Ramirez

Management

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss The Hackett Group's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2018 Results. Speaking on the call today and here to answer your questions are Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO of The Hackett Group; and myself, Robert Ramirez, CFO. A press announcement was released over the wires at 4:32 p.m. Eastern Time. For a copy of the release, please visit our website at www.thehackettgroup.com. We will also place any additional financial or statistical data discussed in this call that is not contained in the release on the Investor Relations page of our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that in the following comments and in the question-and-answer session, we will be making statements about expected future results, which may be forward-looking statements for the purposes of the federal securities laws. These statements relate to our current expectations, estimates and projections and are not a guarantee of future performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict and which may not be accurate. Actual results may vary. These forward-looking statements should be considered only in conjunction with the detailed information, particularly the risk factors contained in our SEC filings. At this point, I would like to turn it over to Ted.

Ted Fernandez

Management

Thank you, Rob, and let me also welcome everyone to our fourth earning - fourth quarter earnings call. As we normally do, I'll open the call with some overview comments on the quarter. I will then turn it back over to Rob to comment on detailed operating results, cash flow as well as guidance. We will then go over our market and strategy overview comments, and then we'll open it up for Q&A. So as Rob said, this afternoon, we've reported net revenues from continuing operations, this is excluding REL, for $61.6 million, a 1% decrease over prior year with pro forma earnings per share of $0.26, a 4% increase over last year. Our pro forma results exclude discontinued operations from REL working capital group and the write-off of our investment in HPE. Neither one was part of our digital transformation focus as we entered 2019. Our Hackett U.S. revenues were up 2.5% from last year, led by strong growth from our strategy and business transformation group. Consistent with prior quarters, digital transformation initiatives continue to be the driving force for our organization. Our strong strategy and business transformation results were offset by lower-than-expected results from our Oracle ERP, EPM and analytics group, which was down 10% from prior year as our on-premise implementation revenues were down more than expected. Although cloud implementation revenues continue strongly up over 50%, the higher than expected on-premise revenue decline impacted our Q4 result and will impact our first quarter guidance. However, given our cloud growth and our expanded EPM channel partner strategy, we continue to believe that we will be flat to up revenue growth in this group in the second quarter of 2019. Our SAP group came in better than we expected. We continue to feel the impact of SAP's transition to…

Robert Ramirez

Management

Thank you, Ted. As I typically do, I'll cover the following topics during this portion of the call, an overview of our 2018 fourth quarter results along with an overview of related key operating statistics, an overview of our cash flow activities in the quarter, and I will then conclude with a discussion on our financial outlook for the first quarter of 2019. For purposes of this call, any references to The Hackett Group will specifically exclude SAP Solutions. Correspondingly, I will comment separately regarding the financial results of The Hackett Group, SAP Solutions and the total company. Please note that all references to gross revenues in my discussion represent revenues, including reimbursable expenses, and any references to net revenues represents revenues excluding reimbursable expenses. During the fourth quarter, we exited our European-based REL working capital practice, which has been accounted for as discontinued operations in our financial statements. All historical information discussed on this call have been recast to exclude discontinued operations for comparability purposes. All recast information of historical data that excludes our European REL working capital practice will be posted on the Investor Relations page of our website. Additionally, references to pro forma results specifically exclude non-cash stock compensation expense, intangible asset amortization expense, acquisition-related cash and non-cash compensation expense, acquisition-related cost and earnout adjustments, asset impairment losses, results of discontinued operations and assumes a normalized tax cash rate of 25%. Acquisition-related cash and non-cash compensation expense primarily relates to a portion of the purchase consideration for the 2017 acquisitions that contain service-vesting requirements, and as such, are reflected as compensation expense under GAAP. Before I move to our fourth quarter results, I would like to discuss a few highlights regarding our annual results for fiscal 2018. Annual net revenues from continuing operations totaled $264.5 million, an…

Ted Fernandez

Management

Thank you, Rob. As we look forward, let me reiterate our thoughts on the demand environment, and more importantly, on the significant growth opportunity it offers our organization. As I've mentioned previously, the rapid development in RPA automation, cloud applications and artificial intelligence, along with improved mobile functionality and enhanced user experience, is dramatically influencing the way businesses compete to lever their services. Traditional, sequential and linear-based business models are changing to fully networked and dynamic automated workflows and events with enhanced intelligence. Digital transformation is redefining entire industries at an accelerated pace, forcing organizations to fundamentally change and adopt these new capabilities in order to remain competitive. So for us, especially in line with the results, I think it's important to reiterate this opportunity that digital transformation brings continues to be very significant. However, and not an excuse, it does not come without us having to wean ourselves off of the legacy on-premise revenues that are part of that big digital transformation opportunity that's before us. In the U.S., these transformative technologies are resulting in increased activity as companies determine how to respond to the quickly changing competitive environment. We are seeing the growth in cloud and digital transformation engagements improve our growth prospects. Our digital transformation and cloud engagements continue to grow and our on-premise revenue -- and as our on-premise revenue becomes a smaller part of our total company revenues, the complete benefits of our transition will become increasingly clear. With that said, as we look into Q1, we did experience a weak January in -- with the majority of that weakness resulted in the very first week of the quarter as the New Year's day fell later in the first week resulting in increased vacation time for our clients as well as our own associates, and…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Frank Atkins from SunTrust. Sir, your line is open.

Frank Atkins

Analyst

Thank you very much. Thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to ask first about the top five customer relationships. Can you talk a little bit about the health of those relationships and the growth opportunities there?

Ted Fernandez

Management

Very strong. They probably rotate somewhat once a year, maybe not all five, but there's probably some level of them. The two largest ones continue very strongly into 2019, those I can do. The other three, I wouldn't want to say it off the top of my head, but I believe those significant client relationships with the organizations are very strong.

Frank Atkins

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And then I wondered if you could sit back a little bit and just kind of frame the dynamics over the last year or so and then going forward of the cloud based versus on-premise? And maybe give us a little bit of a size of those dynamics and the trajectory that you see, and what you see going forward?

Ted Fernandez

Management

Okay. Thank you, Frank. Probably the most important thing for us was the fact that in Q3, as you recall, we had very strong growth, and it was the first time that our net growth allowed us to grow that EEA business even though it was just slightly positive. I think to some extent, our disappointment is the fact that we thought that, that net growth opportunity is really behind us. The cloud growth opportunity that we were experiencing was strong as it continues through Q4. I think what really caught us off guard, and I'll try to comment as to perhaps why that is happening, is the fact that the on-premise revenue, which we thought had started to both not only decrease in amount and decrease in the overall year-on-year percentage amount that it was decreasing as the Q3 ended up being a false positive. Because when we look at the activity from Q3 to Q4 and now how it continues into Q1, we see that it wasn't a blip. It really was an erosion of that revenue. The best part is that it obviously disrupts -- not only has disrupted our Q4, but as you know, nobody was looking forward to 2019 more than I was. I mean, I thought we were very strongly positioned with just any of -- any kind of calculation around both the combination of cloud growth and the percentage of on-prem decline for us to have that group, the flat to up in Q1 and therefore, have the organization be up in Q1. So to have that disrupted or at least delayed a quarter is disappointing. As to the reasons why, I would give you a couple. One, there is no doubt that larger clients, which are those who have made the most…

Frank Atkins

Analyst

Yes. No, that was very helpful. Maybe the last one for me. Can you talk a little bit about the capital allocation going forward? What do you see in kind of the M&A outlook? And then how you're balancing repurchase and dividend with that?

Ted Fernandez

Management

Well, we continue to - we would continue to prioritize a -- an acquisition over the buyback and dividend if we believe that there were assets that are highly complementary to the digital transformation and IP strategy that we have. With that said, that's more limited than you might think. So on the technology side, we could -- we're always considering whether or not those opportunities exist, but there are very few assets out there that you could get without having some on-prem percentage, which is meaningful enough to affect their long-term growth rate. So that keeps us very cautious in that space and we look at that more organically. So acquisitions first, and then for us, dividend and buybacks are simply based -- dividends are based here as a percentage of free cash flow. So for us to simply increase our dividend $0.02, which is approximately $650,000 in the year, when you look at the fact that we expect our operational CapEx alone to decrease by $5 million or $6 million, our free cash flow in that area to allow that dividend increase is a simple one. Relative to buybacks, we've also been very consistent with buying back if we believe that they're -- we try to be very opportunistic. We know many of the investors that continue to look at our stock, and we try not to compete with them, but to the extent that those investors do not appear, we think that the stock is not fairly priced then you know we've been aggressive in the past, then we'll continue to do so in the future.

Frank Atkins

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next, we have Greg Sutton (sic) George Sutton from Craig-Hallum. Your line is open.

George Sutton

Analyst

So guys, I wanted to talk about the mix of cloud versus premise as we head into the year. So obviously, we weren't expecting premise to continue to really impact as it's becoming less and less of an impact. But I'm curious on the cloud side specifically, do you feel your win rates are where you would like them to be? Do you -- as the cloud continues to develop out this year? Should we start to see that become a more significant part of your growth opportunity?

Ted Fernandez

Management

My first reaction is, first, our win rate is never high enough. However, I think the one thing we did learn in 2018 that we needed to make sure that we focused our relative strength and not go after opportunities where scale alone or global delivery was impacting our ability to close those deals because we had, I think, 3 or 4 very significant ones where we came second, and second for us means nothing. So we didn't want to continue through that route. With that said, as Rob mentioned in his script, 65% of our total Oracle applications apps are now cloud-related engagement. So we're clearly continuing to grow cloud very nicely. I would also tell you that, that mix is actually greater in the ERP side. If you recall, we bought Jibe Consulting in May of 2017. With that group, we had a very strong cloud pipeline, but was perhaps 20%, cloud; 80%, on-prem. And that group percentage is now probably approaching 75% and growing nicely. Our EPM group has a lower percent. It's probably in the lower 60% because we were weaning ourselves, for lack of a better term, of such a very strong, large on-premise base since we had been the number one influence partner for Oracle and EPM and, in fact, we're named the Cloud Partner of the Year again this past OpenWorld. So look, we're making a progress. We would like to be growing that cloud side more aggressively than we are. We are but that cloud growth has been very strong. We didn't expect the on-prem revenue. We believe that it will start to strongly stabilize, and I guess to some extent, we're a little misled by what we achieved in Q3. With that said, had we looked then into Q1 and Q2, we realize that we're simply modeling a higher decline percentage on a smaller number. We're also going to model a smaller cloud growth percentages because the cloud growth percentage we had was very high. As Rob said, it was well in excess of 50% this current quarter, just to try to be more conservative with that transition. But as Rob said, if we look at -- when we look at our run rate and the transition of the mix of that business as we exit Q1 and going into Q2, that group, which is down 10% and really hurting our Q1 results, if that group ends up being flat to up the way Rob mentioned and that we believe, we will be back to that overall growth, and more importantly, net growth position in EEA, which has really masked the strong performance of our strategy and business transformation group over the last 18 months. I don't know if that's more than you wanted, George. I should also say...

George Sutton

Analyst

Actually, I asked a terrible question, and actually, you gave more detail than I'd even planned. So…

Ted Fernandez

Management

Okay, back to George. I should also say publicly that you were the one who told me, hey. Ted, just know this takes a little bit longer than you think. And the answer is it may be, but it has not diminished our opportunity to grow our business as planned.

George Sutton

Analyst

Yes. Premise to cloud transitions are never simple. So my second and last question relates to the HPE write-down. I just want to make sure I understood what was behind that. We expected REL, we didn't necessarily expect HP. Can you just give us some clarity on that event?

Ted Fernandez

Management

Well, as we looked at -- we really looked at everything as we were doing our plan that were -- where we continue to invest, it was not critical to our digital transformation growth, and HPE, which, as you know, was primarily built about 4 to 6 years ago and was a very ambitious extraction dashboard that we thought would be highly complementary to both Oracle and SAP. As we continue to market that product and as the security concerns and security requirements under GDPR continue to increase for clients, we realized, as we integrated that functionality and continued making that functionality within Quantum Leap, that the clients were totally asking out of the extraction functionality because of their security requirements, and were very pleased with the improvements in Quantum Leap and how significantly that had already reduce their time and value we were delivering. So we looked at it, and we said both from a depreciation standpoint, since this is a non-cash shift; and secondly, from some of the operating expenses we continue to invest to kind of support that product, we said it's not strategic. Let's move on so that we can focus our resources on the things that are rapidly growing.

George Sutton

Analyst

Understand. Thanks for the perspective.

Ted Fernandez

Management

Okay, George.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Next, we have Mr. Jeff Martin from Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Thanks. Good afternoon, guys.

Ted Fernandez

Management

Hi, Jeff.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

I was wondering if you could comment a little bit more on the client transition in Europe. If that was something that caught you by surprise? Is that something that is still an opportunity this year? Or if that's an opportunity moving beyond at this point?

Ted Fernandez

Management

No. Actually, one, which is a significant client that continues with us simply -- there was -- that one engagement had a European portion to it in Germany that was of significance to Europe where the client decided to go with a local firm that they kind of continue into that latter phase. We knew that engagement was at risk. The second one, which was a total surprise, was a client, and we don't know -- I mean, I get asked the breakfast questions all the time and I don't ever -- we've never mentioned it or used it as a reason, but it was a bank who simply discontinued the effort as we got to the latter part of our fourth quarter. That was a surprise and that was meaningful. So I guess the best thing I could tell you is that when I look at the run rate contribution from both of those jobs in the European results last year, we have probably replaced nearly half of that run rate already as we get into mid-February. So as I said on my comments, we do expect it to pressure us a little bit here in the first few quarters, but we'll be very disappointed if our European group hasn't fully recovered from those two engagements and is able to resume their normal growth rate consistent with the goal of the entire organization.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Okay. And then regarding your comment about getting back to your targeted growth rate in 2019. Is that more a comment around putting forth the effort and strategy to prepare to get back to that? Or do you expect to get back to that, say, in the third and fourth quarter on a year-over-year basis?

Ted Fernandez

Management

No. If we're -- if we're -- if EEA really -- if we achieved the classic of growth of EEA, that will definitely have a very strong swing in our overall results for Q2. And if that happens, if that momentum continues the way we believe as -- remember, at the same time, on-premise revenues, if you want to call it, adverse effect continues to decrease since we're assuming that, that decrease is going to happen in the larger percentage and we're modeling that way, yes, our goal is to be back within that long-term growth rate in the second half of '19.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Okay. And then last question is the competitive dynamic within digital transformation. I'm seeing more small consultant firms making acquisitions to better strengthen their ability in that area. Are you seeing more competition around smaller emerging firms? And secondarily, are you seeing -- how are you competing with the larger consultant fees out there?

Ted Fernandez

Management

Yes - no. On that side, as you know, our growth rate has been very, very strong, both throughout the year and it continued in Q4. It's impacted by the weak January in Q1, but no, we think our -- the strength of what we call our strategy and business transformation business, or our non-tech business, positioning is very strong. Specifically, when we look at some opportunities in procurement, they have been very strong. When we'd looked, oh, we see some very significant RPA growth opportunity, which we believe we had just started to scratch the surface. So right now, no, we continue to recruit and add talent. Yes, we'll keep an eye for any organization that could highly complement what we're doing. But no, if you said to me where we're seeing competition for smaller providers, I would say it's coming on the cloud application side where you're seeing some planning and some APM firms emerged the way they emerged at ACM, which we see as an opportunity to support their efforts if that's what our -- where our clients went ahead and allow us to diversify some of our capability and reliance. So that's where we see some of those and we see those and look at those each one that we do see that we think is good. We do look at acquisition opportunity, but we want to make sure that if we do, they have little to no on-prem that we would have to migrate from. So is it a requirement? No. Do we have the balance sheet and financial power to take advantage of one if we saw one? The answer is yes. So hopefully, that answers your questions, Jeff.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Okay, thanks. I appreciate the transparency on this call. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Vincent Colicchio from Barrington Research. Your line is open.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Yes. Ted, could you give us some more color on the project delays in January?

Ted Fernandez

Management

Well, to give you some perspective, and we did -- first of all, the first week drove half of the overall decline that we're experiencing in January. But it did extend some delays in January. So it was - could it been as a result of some external volatility that we're unable to track, perhaps for us, we think the [indiscernible] in the first week just clearly helped -- hurt us strongly in our January. It did linger. With that said, as Rob said, our run rate from January to February was up 20%, and we expect that run rate again to continue to strengthen into March. So that would be my content.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Yes. I was looking for where, in particular, those project delays -- what services were involved?

Ted Fernandez

Management

No. It really impacted the delay almost across the board. So it did -- it hurt, I will call it, overall engagement kick off and transitions and the loss of total -- a lot of billable hours in that first week. But when we look at the expected results, maybe this will help put it in context, we look at the end of expected results that we were planning on for Q1 when we guided Q4. We would tell you that two thirds of that decline is directly related to the on-prem decline number and 1/3 relates to what happened to -- in Europe. We think that the rest of the business, if you want to call it, whether you want to call it cloud strategy business transformation, was kind of hurt so that it wasn't able to just overwhelm and just cover for that, for those two specifically well-defined activities. But if we're right with the ramp that we -- where we're currently running and where that's heading, then hopefully you'll see all of that turnaround in Q2.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

So you had mentioned already that in the second half of the year, you think you can get to your targeted growth rate if the ramp - if the Oracle business plays out as you expect. Could you give us a sense of what year-over-year could look like if it plays out as expected into Q2?

Ted Fernandez

Management

We're not ready to do that, but we're clearly continuing to look at the bottom of that range and the relative profit that, that would yield. So -- but I look at that for the year. I also look at the fact that I've got a 1 quarter deferral and how quickly then we could get to what I'll call a forward 12 activity that would be consistent with that. So if I try to squeeze in the poor guidance that we've given you in Q1, it obviously impacts us achieving that for the year. If I then look at it on a 12-month rolling basis, then -- with the 1 quarter delay, then obviously, we feel much stronger about what that means on a forward 12 basis, but I know you're trying to plan the calendar year.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

And then I wasn't clear. You threw out -- you've discussed a couple of different numbers related to Oracle. The mix that's cloud today for the EEA business, was that 60%? Is that what you just said?

Ted Fernandez

Management

65-35. And is that - that's Q4, Q1, Rob [ph].

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Okay. And then one last question from me. The IP business, did you expect the revenue and earnings contribution to -- if you want to give maybe an adjective for what type of improvement you expect this year?

Ted Fernandez

Management

Well, very significant impact to our total year because as you go from the on-prem revenue holding you back to just flat to some growth, the profitability of that group, if you look at current to where we're going, it becomes pretty significant. So you know where we're running very strongly on the strategy and business transformation side and very nice margins, and that continues. So the opportunity is in just elimination the impact from the on-prem decline to the natural growth that we're experiencing in the new area, the cloud application and related areas.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Well, I was asking about your IP business, your ADP relationship. How do you expect that to progress this year?

Ted Fernandez

Management

Solid and sound. I mean, that's a great relationship where we're continuing to be asked to demonstrate value, and I believe we can. So we continue to look at that, especially the Workforce Now platform, the one that we launched this year, and ADP decided to start offering it to every client starting in November. We believe that if that demonstrated values where it is, that we should be able to grow that portion of the business nicely into their next fiscal year. We have an agreement through -- that for their current fiscal year, half of that business where we agreed to a flat fee for their desire to offer that to every client as they went to market. And obviously, our desire is to have that business be similar to the one we have with their enterprise clients where the product is sold in and we actually track with their growth. So our desire is to have the entire business track consistent with their growth. We have happened there this year. We'd like to get all of it there in their next fiscal year.

Vincent Colicchio

Analyst

Thanks, guys to answer my questions.

Ted Fernandez

Management

Thanks, Vince.

Operator

Operator

At this time, I show no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Fernandez.

Ted Fernandez

Management

Let me thank everyone for participating in our fourth quarter earnings call, and we look forward to catching up when we report our first quarter. Thanks again.