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The Hackett Group, Inc. (HCKT)

Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 19, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to The Hackett Group Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] This is being recorded. Hosting tonight's call are Mr. Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO; and Mr. Rob Ramirez, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Ramirez, you may begin.

Robert A. Ramirez

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss The Hackett Group's fourth quarter and full-year results. Speaking on the call today and here to answer your questions are Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO of The Hackett Group; and myself, Robert Ramirez, CFO. Our press announcement was released over the wires at 4:11 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. For a copy of the release, please visit our website at www.thehackettgroup.com. We will also place any additional financial or statistical data discussed on this call that is not contained in the release on the Investor Relations page of our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that in the following comments and in the question-and-answer session, we will be making statements about expected future results which may be forward-looking statements for the purposes of the federal securities laws. These statements relate to our current expectations, estimates and projections and are not a guarantee of future performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict and which may not be accurate. Actual results may vary. These forward-looking statements should be considered only in conjunction with the detailed information, particularly the risk factors contained in our SEC filings. At this point, I would like to turn it over to Ted.

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Thank you, Rob, and welcome, everyone, to our Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. As I customarily do, I will open up my comments by just providing an overview and make some highlight comments relative to the quarter and the fiscal year. I will then turn it back over to Rob and ask him to provide details on our operating results, cash flow and then also comment on our fourth quarter guidance. Rob will then turn it back over to me. I will provide some market and strategic overview comments, and then we will open it up for Q&A. So having said that, let me again welcome everyone to our call. We were pleased to report revenues of $57.1 million and pro forma earnings per share of $0.11, both which were at the high end of our guidance. As expected, we had solid operating results with improved European performance and lower foreign exchange headwinds. Our fourth quarter was the culmination of another year of solid operating results and cash flow. We are especially proud of our ability to return a significant amount of capital to our shareholders through our $55 million share tender offer last March and on our recently initiated annual dividend, which we declared and paid prior to the end of our fiscal year. Our results continue to emanate from a competitive but solid U.S. marketplace. Strong performance from our SAP and EPM groups, along with the improved European, results and it's also worth mentioning the strong performance of our Executive Advisory Program, which also continues to drive strong cross-selling synergies. Our emphasis on operating excellence by leveraging best practices and better management information to improve business analytics continues to resonate with our clients. Our expertise, which enables our clients to quickly respond to the volatility of the current global…

Robert A. Ramirez

Analyst

Thank you, Ted, and welcome, everyone. As usual, I'll cover the following topics during our call, an overview of our 2102 fourth quarter results, along with an overview of related key operating statistics; an overview of our cash flow activities during the quarter and I will then conclude with a discussion on our financial outlook for the first quarter of 2013. For purposes of this call, any references to Hackett Group will specifically exclude ERP Solutions. Correspondingly, I will comment separately regarding the financial results of The Hackett Group ERP solutions and the total company. Please note that all references to gross revenues in my discussion represent net revenues plus reimbursable expenses. Additionally, references to pro forma results specifically exclude non-cash stock compensation expense, intangible asset amortization expense, restructuring activity and assumes a normalized tax rate of 40%. Before I move to our fourth quarter results, I'd like to make a few comments regarding our annual results for 2012. Annual revenues grew to $234 million, a 4% increase from 2011 or 5% when adjusting for constant currency. Pro forma earnings per diluted share were $0.40 in 2012 compared to $0.33 in 2011, an increase of 21%. For 2012, pro forma EBITDA was $24.8 million as compared to $24.7 million in the previous year. As Ted mentioned, during 2012, we were pleased that we were able to utilize our strong balance sheet and cash flow to return capital to our shareholders in 2 important transactions. First, by partially leveraging our new credit facility, we completed a stock tender offer that resulted in the repurchase of 11 million shares of the company's stock at a price of $5 per share for a total of $55 million. In addition, during the fourth quarter, the company announced an annual dividend program and issued a…

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Thank you, Rob. Let me start with market outlook. Consistent with reported and forecasted global GDP, the economic recovery and related demand continue to be volatile. We expect the sovereign debt and deficit-related issues to continue to introduce uncertainty into our clients' demand environment until a clear long-term solution is implemented. As we mentioned last quarter, our plan is to make the necessary operating changes that will allow us to continue to improve our profitability and cash flow under these circumstances. In the U.S., we continue to see solid demand for our services, although clients are being more thoughtful and price-sensitive with their decisions. In Europe, we expect the environment to continue to be volatile and vary by industry and country, but given the improvements we've made in our European business throughout 2012, we expect the momentum that we've built in the fourth quarter to continue into 2013. With that demand overview as a backdrop, let me now comment on some of our strategic priorities. Consistent with our prior quarters, we continue to work hard to innovate new ways to develop continuous relationships that leverage our intellectual capital, as well as create an opportunity to serve clients more broadly. Our goal is to use our unique intellectual capital to establish a strategic relationship with our clients and to expand that entry point by introducing our business transformation consulting capabilities. This strategy would allow us to increase our client base, as well as increase our revenue per client. The best example of this strategy has been the revenue leverage that we have experienced from our Executive Advisory client base. On the Hackett Performance Exchange front, our goal continues to be to complete the enhancements that resulted from our charter launch program in the first half of this year. This will then…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from George Sutton with Craig-Hallum.

Jason Kreyer - Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Jason Kreyer on for George Sutton. So regarding your European demand in the quarter, can you just talk a little bit about the linearity of what you saw as the quarter progressed? And then do you expect any further rebound in Europe from what you saw in Q4? Do you expect that to improve in 2013 or do you expect that to be stable? And then second, you talked about some staffing increases in Europe in the quarter, and I'm just wondering if you can give a little bit of outlook in 2013 if you think that, that's where you'll see the majority of the staff increases.

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Well, let me go back, Jason, and really comment on Europe's performance for the entire year. We made significant changes to our European team at the beginning of last year. We believe we also created regional groups that we think have allowed us to focus on the respective markets that we really focus on, I think, a little bit better. The combination of those things, as you know, led to a pretty decent European performance that when you take out, if you want to call it, the hiccup that we had going into Q3, which we believe was driven by some of the sovereign debt issues which kind of surfaced late in Q2, which I think disrupted some of that decision-making, Europe had a pretty good year, had a very strong Q4 on a year-over-year basis, and we expect that Europe will continue to grow on that performance in 2013. So we believe the changes that we made were more fundamental. We see that our ability to compete in our primary marketplaces, which are the U.K. and Germany, continues to be pretty solid. We're happy with the changes that we made in those teams. So we believe that Europe will grow top bottom line in 2013.

Jason Kreyer - Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then any color on headcount as it relates to international or domestic?

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Well, we added headcount in Europe throughout most of the year. So that was really to support and sustain the growth that we were planning on. We also opened up a facility in Hungary in Budapest to actually help augment all of our European teams with some resources that we thought had some language and some talent versatility as well. So that speaks to Europe. In the U.S., if you go back to Rob's comments, we really were expecting higher growth. And we carried higher capacity, that in retrospect, than we wanted to if we wanted to improve the profitability as planned. So that growth, which we were planning on the beginning of last year which would've been somewhere in the 8% to 10% range, was obviously lower. So as Rob mentioned, we made changes to those groups that were not running -- what we said, within the bounds of our target utilization to make sure that we didn't have that excess capacity as we entered into 2013.

Jason Kreyer - Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then just one follow-up. You're on pace to pay down most of the outstanding debt in the next couple of quarters. So just wondering if you can provide any thoughts on how you expect to leverage the balance sheet going forward? If you would see additional returns to shareholders or if there's some M&A opportunities that you'd like to pursue?

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

If we continue to have the access to the terms and credit facility, which we do have a multiyear facility, we have a Bank of America, if we continue to have that access throughout 2013, which we expect to have, yes, we expect to continue to leverage that balance sheet. We think the terms that they have provided us are exceptional. And with access to that capital, you can expect us to either acquire or return additional capital to shareholders.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question is from Morris Ajzenman with Griffin Securities.

Morris Ajzenman - Griffin Securities, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Based on your pro forma -- your restated earnings for the divestiture of the Oracle ERP, it looks like that business had $12 million in revenues for 2012. Any comment on what you're going to be getting paid for that?

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

The answer's we don't want to comment on proceeds only because there is a process that will take place over the next several months relative to the transfer resources and clients that will ultimately determine the proceeds. Having said that, we don't expect the proceeds to be material because that practice, as you also saw from the recasted information, was a marginally operated -- a marginal loss last year and operated at a marginal loss the previous years, so it's just a practice. We've never been able to align the fact that we serve very large global clients with what has ended up being now, for a number of years, an undersized -- very good, but undersized ERP group. So our -- we looked for the way to make the best exit that would give us 2 things, a great place for our people transition to, for that transition to be fair and also to result in a teaming arrangement, a preferred partner relationship with KPMG that would allow us to leverage their global scale, which we think will help us when we're, let's just say, when we're having initiatives that require Oracle ERP implementation support. So it was really a way of transitioning, proceeds are not material. We don't expect a gain or loss on the sale of the business. It will have no impact on Q1, but when we look at it, it was just simply hurting our comps and we had 1 of 2 choices. We either needed to invest heavily or we needed to move. We decided to move. As you know, we invested in -- we had 3 tech groups. And when I look back, we aggressively scaled and profitably scaled our Hyperion group that supports our very strong EPM group. We niched our SAP group into life sciences and consumer products in that small and medium business area with SAP, and that group has done exceptionally well. And in Oracle, we really didn't have the same ability to niche it. So that misalignment really just didn't provide us with an opportunity to really scale that. So we decided to exit it. Proceeds will not be material. No impact on Q1.

Morris Ajzenman - Griffin Securities, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Gross margins below company average for this group?

Morris Ajzenman - Griffin Securities, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Say that again?

Morris Ajzenman - Griffin Securities, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Gross margins.

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Yes. Yes, absolutely. Because what happened, Morris, as you can imagine, you can go back and look at that revenue. But it -- there was part of that revenue that was being supported through subcontracting relationships, which were very low margin, so that our W-2 group was significantly smaller than those revenues would've indicated.

Morris Ajzenman - Griffin Securities, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And one last unrelated question. We talked about the -- let me get this up here. At The Hackett Group, kind of flattish top line over the last year-over-year, last quarter and looking out into the first quarter, basically kind of flat also. What is the -- I mean, you discussed the volatile environment, talked about, I guess, the difficulty in clients going forward with projects, I presume. But what is with this group that really drives productivity for your customers while we're not seeing better top line growth, actually flattish top line growth for The Hackett Group overall?

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Well, last year, you're right. 4% on reported and 5% on constant-currency basis. Well, it's pretty simple. Our clients are struggling with growth. They clearly need to address productivity needs. Having said that, they have the pricing power given that decision to move forward. So whether it's their decision process involving procurement, simply saying, "Hey, do you want us to include others and give us more favorable pricing". That's the demand environment we're in. So at least for the foreseeable future, if the -- on an organic basis, we would expect that growth next year to be consistent with this year. Having said that, we would expect our profitability improvement on that growth given the changes we would make to be, let's call it, more in line with previous years. So we would still be targeting a meaningful year-over-year EBITDA and profitability growth even if growth continues at the current pace. But we think it's just the environment. Clients are struggling, they want to move forward. They will do that, you want to do that quickly. You do that on their terms and on and on and on. It just creates for a greater competition and it grates for that environment. So I think for us, as we tell them, you need to adjust and assume that, that's the environment you're facing. We need to be highly responsive, but we also would need to be sensitive to their profitability demands because everyone, almost all industry that we serve, are trying to increase profitability with a more limited growth opportunities in the current global economic environment.

Morris Ajzenman - Griffin Securities, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Last question then I'll get back in queue. Last quarter, I think you had stated you were working with 30 global companies and gave some more detail beyond that. Has anything changed from that perspective of who you're currently working with?

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Well, we really put the 30 when once -- if you go back to my comments, when we guided the fourth quarter, I mean, we really put the 30 charter launch participants, there really was more than 30, it's probably closer to 40 participants which were a part of our charter launch program, we put them on hold so that we could make all of the enhancements which we thought would allow us to introduce the 2 new offerings, which are the CFO Ops and CFO Ops Plus dashboards. So as I mentioned in my previous comments, we've just completed that on the Oracle platform users. So now, we're going back to them and asking them to allow us to do some initial testing on those products so that we can make sure that, that product is ready to go to market with. And we're planning to do the same with SAP, but that will follow into Q2. Having said that, we felt strongly enough about where we were with those enhancements that we have started to market all of the offerings to our former benchmarking users so that they know that Oracle-related capability is available or will be available by the end of the first quarter, and we will do the same and make sure they understand that the SAP capability we expect to be available by the end of the second quarter. So great progress in making all the changes. We're now just starting to roll it back to charter launch members, just started the marketing related to the new capabilities so the clients understand what's coming and what we've created. And as I mentioned in my comments, we would then expect all of that to play out in the second half of the year, which should allow us to do 2 things. Hey, it is what we wanted to build, get feedback from the client, and we would then expect that to make a revenue and profitability contribution in 2014.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Bill Sutherland with Northland Capital Markets.

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

I'm just a little confused on the European revenue progression in the year because, I guess, if you could just go over it again, I think you said, Rob, that it remained as a percent of revenue at, I think it was 23% versus 24%. And -- but with Hackett Group revenue up 4%, 5%, if it decreased as a percent of the, total then it didn't grow as fast as domestic. Or am I just looking at this wrong?

Robert A. Ramirez

Analyst

No, you mean Europe grew higher than domestic?

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

But the percent of revenue declined.

Robert A. Ramirez

Analyst

Only because in international revenues, you also have Australia, which didn't perform as well, but it's a smaller piece of our total international revenues. But in the context of just Europe year-on-year, which we don't report -- individually report or detail out, Europe's annual and Q4 numbers grew on a year-on-year basis.

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. So you're assuming kind of the same trends in all markets for Hackett Group in 2013. Ted, is that right?

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Yes. I think like I said previously, if we experience the same growth we did in 2012, what we would expect is -- and as we said that was 4% reported, 5% constant. So if we got that 5% constant with lower FX headwinds, along with the productivity enhancements that we've made going into the year on that revenue growth, we would expect us to pursue traditional EBITDA and EPS annual growth.

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

And then the ERP Solutions on a pro-forma basis adjusted for Oracle?

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Oracle was not contributing to our profitability. In fact, you'll see in the recasted numbers that it actually lost a little bit of money in 2012.

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

Yes, I heard that. I was just thinking top line and it's kind of just going to stay in that high single-digit top line, do you think or is there...

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

No, our plan is unless we see a change in the overall global GDP environment, which right now, we are not planning on, we hope it does, but we're not planning on, our hope is to achieve at least the same growth we did last year, but with significantly better profitability because we would profit more from the existing revenue, as well as any of the revenue growth that we achieved in 2013.

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

And just one last one. So when Rob -- when you guys recast the numbers, what will be the growth for ERP Solutions in '12 over '11?

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Oh, in '12 over '11?

Robert A. Ramirez

Analyst

It will be high. It will be a little greater than 50% -- oh, I'm sorry, no, that's the -- are you talking Q1 guidance, Bill? Are you talking Q1 or are you talking year-on-year?

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

I'm asking, I mean, you guys are going to continue to kind of grow in '12 without Oracle. I'm just kind of wondering what the growth was without Oracle in 2012 year-on-year.

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Oh, it -- Oracle's probably negatively impacted the annual growth, and I'm saying this, Rob, correct me, by about a couple of percent unfavorable. But that's in that recasted information that has been posted in our Investor Relations website.

Robert A. Ramirez

Analyst

That's correct.

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

So I'm saying that top of mind, so please check. But it was unfavorable.

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. Any improvement in the sales cycle at this point or conversion? Or is it just all kind of feeling the same to you as you get started on '13?

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Well, I guess I would say in Europe, yes, in the U.S., no. That's what I was trying to communicate in my outlook comments.

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And you're not trying to do anything with the sales force to try to engineer a little more growth are you? It sounds like you're just kind of looking forward...

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

No, we -- our changes were really more to -- the answer is no. We will continue to run our hybrid model, which is our partners and our dedicated sales force will share that sales, the revenue growth responsibility. And yes, we have made changes within that, but it's really more individual or regional-related changes that we think drive better alignment or put a better athlete in place. But no significant or wholesale changes in the overall model other than some new people in some key slots and some different alignment with some of the sales resources with some of these new, if you want to call it, more senior partners.

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then, Ted, the last one. On -- as you have your charter members test CFO Ops and Ops Plus, is that going to also kind of steer the process or steer the direction of how you monetize it, how you price it?

Robert A. Ramirez

Analyst

I think the only significant change in that approach is that we want -- we're in a [indiscernible] coming by way of introducing an entire stack of revenues, if you wanted to call it. So we're going to clients and talking to them about our total capabilities and then depending on the request, it may be specific to the measurement capabilities. And we're simply trying to make sure clients understand the most efficient way that they can benchmark their capabilities. If they're Oracle and SAP users, will be by utilizing our CFO Ops dashboard. If they continue to value and want more data, specific data on cost and FTE that would further augment that review, they can then use the secondary module, which is the CFO Ops Plus. And then lastly, or they can -- if they choose, since they're very familiar with our existing transformational benchmark, or they can avail themselves to that. The client's requirement for detail, the client's budget requirements, the client's ability to mobilize resources if they choose not to, I believe this will give the clients a number of ways to engage with Hackett, which we believe is very compelling. And that's really what we want them to know. We want them to know that the capabilities we have built on top of what we believe our world-class benchmarking capabilities don't exist anywhere else. We want them to know that if they won't avail themselves to that insight and they want to do that for 1/3 of the cost for -- without providing any data, they can go to the first -- our goal with these enhancements, they would avail themselves for the CFO Ops dashboard. If they wanted additional information and -- but still do it in what we believe now will be half…

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. I was just -- I'll call up on that as far as how you're going to be pricing it at a later date. It sounds like that's something you're going to figure out as they start to use it.

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Well, we have a framework now. So unless the utilization of the product from the initial users changes, we think we've got a compelling framework. The key now is just to complete the product so that clients can use it as intended.

William Sutherland - Northland Capital Markets, Research Division

Analyst

Great. No, I understand. And then the sales effort in the Executive Advisory where you've increased -- you haven't talked about CV in a while, but you've increased it 16%. That must be an improvement.

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

It was pretty good last year and it's even better this year. So yes, that investment in that Executive Advisory Program is paying off, and the leverage of those clients into our broader offering is also paying off. So that's been very successful.

Operator

Operator

At this time, I show no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Fernandez.

Ted A. Fernandez

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and let me again thank everyone for participating in our fourth quarter earnings call. We look forward to updating everyone when we report our first quarter. Thanks again and good evening.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for participating in today's conference call.