Operator
Operator
Welcome to The Hackett Group third quarter conference call. (Operator Instructions) Hosting tonight’s call are Mr. Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO, and Mr. Rob Ramirez, Chief Financial Officer.
The Hackett Group, Inc. (HCKT)
Q3 2008 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 20, 2008
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Operator
Operator
Welcome to The Hackett Group third quarter conference call. (Operator Instructions) Hosting tonight’s call are Mr. Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO, and Mr. Rob Ramirez, Chief Financial Officer.
Robert A. Ramirez
Management
Thank you for joining us to discuss The Hackett Group’s third quarter 2008 results. Speaking on the call today and here to answer your questions are Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO of The Hackett Group, and myself, Robert Ramirez, CFO. Our press announcement was released over the wires at 4:05 p.m. Eastern time. For a copy of the release, please visit our website at www.thehackettgroup.com. We will also place any additional financial or statistical data discussed in this call that is not contained in the release on the Investor Relations page of our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that in the following comments and in the Question and Answer Session, we will be making statements about expected future results which may be forward-looking statements for the purposes of the federal securities laws. These statements relate to our current expectations, estimates and projections and are not a guarantee of future performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict and which may not be accurate. Actual results may vary. These forward-looking statements should be considered only in conjunction with the detailed information, particularly the risk factors contained in our SEC filings. At this point, I would like to turn it over to Ted.
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
As we customarily do, I will start by providing some overview or highlight comments on the quarter. I will then turn it back over to Rob and ask him to comment on our operating results, also speak to cash flow, and provide some commentary on outlook. Rob will turn it back over to me. It will allow me a chance to provide some market perspective and talk about some of our strategic priorities and then we will open it up for Q&A. Let me start with the Q3 highlights and welcome everyone to our third quarter earnings call. We are pleased to report another strong quarter with pro forma earnings per share increasing 29%, led by the Hackett Group’s 11% revenue growth, 13% on a constant currency basis. Our strong operating results, coupled with improved DSO performance, resulted in over $12.0 million in cash flow from operations in the quarter. This allowed us to increase our cash balances during the quarter while returning over $6.0 million to our shareholders through our stock buyback program. On a year-to-date basis our operating income of $16.3 million has more than doubled from last year, which speaks to all aspects of our progress. Despite the economic turmoil and even though the sudden drop in foreign currencies are reducing our total company fourth quarter revenue guidance by nearly 4% and our EPS guidance by $0.01, we are poised to have another strong quarter to close out 2008. We have seen clients continue to seek our advice in implementation assistance. We know their need to better understand and manage their costs and working capital has only increased as the economy has slowed and as credit availability has become more difficult to obtain. The question is where they can do this for themselves or who they decide…
Robert A. Ramirez
Management
I plan to cover the following topics: an overview of our third quarter results; a breakdown of our third quarter revenue; an overview of our key operating statistics, including significant cash flow activities during the quarter; and I will then conclude with a discussion on our guidance for the fourth quarter of 2008. For purposes of this call, any references to Hackett Group will specifically exclude Hackett Technology Solutions. Correspondingly, I will comment separately regarding the financial results of the Hackett Group, Hackett Technology Solutions, and the total company. Please note that references to gross revenues in my discussion will present net revenues plus reimbursable expenses. Additionally, references to pro forma net income exclude non-cash stock compensation expense, intangible asset amortization expense, and assumes a normalized tax rate of 40%. First I will discuss our third quarter 2008 results. We are pleased to report revenues which were above the midpoint of our guidance range, which was $49.0 million to $51.0 million and pro forma EPS that was at the midpoint of our guidance range, which was $0.08 to $0.10 per diluted share. For the third quarter of 2008 total company revenues were $50.4 million, a year-over-year increase of 8% over 9% adjusting for currency, driven by an increase in the Hackett Group revenue of 11.4% in U.S. dollars, or 12.6% adjusting for foreign currency. Our pro forma net income totaled $3.6 million, or $0.09 per diluted share, for the third quarter of 2008, which was an increase of $0.02, or 29% from the comparable period in the prior year. Third quarter pro forma earnings per diluted share were unfavorable impacted by $0.005 as a result of the unfavorable fluctuations in foreign currencies. Pro forma operating profit for the third quarter of 2008 was $6.0 million, or 12% of gross revenues,…
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
As we look forward, we continue to believe that the market demand for our services remains healthy. But we are cognizant that the recent market turbulence can impact behavior. As I mentioned in my opening comments, a growing number of companies now recognize the need to reduce costs and optimize cash. The key for us is to make sure that the clients understand the role we can play in helping them affect the necessary changes as their revenue growth prospects change. Geographically, we entered the year expecting that the U.S. economy would slow and we would see lower discretionary spending impact our U.S. business. In Europe we expected better demand, but tempered from the strong demand that we had experienced throughout 2007. The impact of the slowing economy is now clearly evident globally, and in our view, was only exacerbated by the global credit crisis. We expect clients to be more thoughtful about their discretionary spend during this period, but it is also clear that the cost reduction in cash flow improvement initiatives will receive increased attention from our client base and has resulted in a net increase in overall demand thus far. This is more evident when you look at our activity on a local currency basis. Despite the global economic slowdown, we remain optimistic that we continue to be net winners during this period. Given this activity, our prospects for strong EPS and EBITDA improvement in fiscal 2008 have remained unchanged, even though foreign currency changes will negatively impact our Q4 revenue and EPS results. Our Hackett Group, excluding Technology Solutions, long-term prospects of 50%+ growth remain unchanged. However, with the current level of economic uncertainty, we don’t know the impact we may experience in the short term. With that demand overview as a back drop, let me…
Operator
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Bill [Detillio] – Boenning & Scattergood. Bill [Detillio] – Boenning & Scattergood: Could you give us more color on the sales cycle, specifically the differences, if you are seeing any, between the United States and Europe and between the Hackett Group and REL.
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
First of all, sales cycles generally, we are seeing all kinds of different behavior. One behavior is clients now realizing that their demand, or their revenue growth opportunities, are in fact changing or will be more volatile, so we see them taking a more comprehensive look at all aspects of cost and cash. That can lead to a slight delay in that decision-making process, but we also recognize that if they do it thoughtfully the opportunities for us will be more significant. Having said that, so far we have seen an equal number of clients then turn to us with more urgency and simply say they would like to get started on an initiative. On the REL front, specifically, there is no doubt that the credit crisis has led to an increased activity in both our European and U.S. teams and the prospects for that team just remain very, very strong. As I said in our overall comments, thus far we have been net winners of the behavior we have seen from clients and we will continue to track it closely and hope that it stays that way. Bill [Detillio] – Boenning & Scattergood: Could you also talk about what are your pricing plans going into next year? Do you foresee changing them at all?
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
We do not. As you have seen over the last 18 months, our revenue for professional and gross margins have expanded very nicely. We believe that the opportunity that it is currently providing for us is meaningful. So for us, it’s really just positioning our intellectual capital in the most strategic way. It is what allows us to drive better pricing leverage and drive better margin performance. If we simply engage a client with just that we have people who do something really well instead of making sure clients understand that in addition to having very talented people, we have intellectual capital both in terms of benchmark metrics and best-practice execution, which is unique to us, and that allows them to get to an answer in a more targeted fashion and more quickly, our pricing works out very nicely and we don’t intend to change that. I think for us, as you can see by my comments on the talent management program, our focus is just making sure that all of our associates are better, or are getting better, at explaining how they can leverage our IP and how well we can help them affect change. We think that’s where the best opportunity for improved pricing and margin expansion lie. Bill [Detillio] – Boenning & Scattergood: You had mentioned utilization, you are currently meeting those target levels overall. Could you give us an idea, are you meeting that target utilization specifically within the Hackett Group?
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
Actually, in the target group, we have been, on an overall basis, slightly below our target for the entire year so it’s funny because we know we have achieved very high levels of revenue for professional and improved gross margin, but we know that not all of our teams within our Hackett Group are at target utilization. On the tech side we have clearly seen improved utilization, especially it’s being reflected in our improved Hyperion performance so we have seen that in some aspects of tech as well. Bill [Detillio] – Boenning & Scattergood: Can you give us an idea where attrition stands? Are you seeing any slowdown in that or is it kind of the same?
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
We have seen a slowdown in attrition. If anything, we are seeing an increased number of opportunities to hire people over the last several months than we saw in the first half of the year. So from a resource perspective, although we are working very diligently and investing more dollars to see if we can improve the performance of all of our people, we do see an opportunity to bring in new and very good talent in some areas that we are targeting. Bill [Detillio] – Boenning & Scattergood: And is this the junior level or senior level or both?
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
My comments are really more about some of the more senior or impact people. Our ability to hire overall has remained very good throughout the last couple of years and I think it will remain unchanged. Bill [Detillio] – Boenning & Scattergood: Regarding your goals for 2009, could you give us some color as far as where maybe your productivity client goals. And then given the impact of exchange rates, would you still think a 4% impact would be appropriate for 2009?
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
Relative to foreign currency, you guess is as good as mine so I would love to add to that, to be honest with you, we were surprised at just the sudden drop, especially those first couple of weeks in October were just steeper than anything we have experienced. So my hope is that as some of the Bank of England and European community bank rates come down that maybe we will see some improvement in that relative relationship than what we have seen lately. But that’s a personal hope. We will track them closely and we will provide more perspective on that as we guide Q1. Productivity goals remain unchanged because if anything, again we like the gross margin performance of both of our teams so the relative pricing we have been able to get and the relative gross margins resulting, we think it’s very healthy so our hopes are to keep it very close to current levels. Relative to client expectations, it’s too early to tell. I tried to provide as much color as I could. I think what we can say is we have been net winners thus far and we understand why our business model could continue to have some success during this transition, but we’re also cognizant of the fact that things could change depending on just how difficult the economy gets in certain regions and for certain clients. We wanted to provide that perspective and tried to be as open as we can about it, but we will add a lot more color as we guide Q1.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from George Sutton - Craig-Hallum Capital.
George Sutton - Craig-Hallum Capital
Analyst
The thing that I was really pleased with this quarter was the cash flow and I wondered if you could address that in more detail. We don’t have all the numbers from the press release. Was a lot of the cash flow driven by the continued reduction in DSOs?
Robert A. Ramirez
Management
Actually got some pleasant news as we were researching. Our DSO is actually the lowest in the company’s history, at this particular juncture. So the decrease of 9 days in a quarter was an extreme benefit, as well as the timing of our payroll cycles. We have one cycle that falls outside the quarter so that had a positive impact, as well. And of course the most important thing is just the strong operating earnings in the quarter.
George Sutton - Craig-Hallum Capital
Analyst
You mentioned you felt you might be able to further improve DSOs.
Robert A. Ramirez
Management
That is our goal.
George Sutton - Craig-Hallum Capital
Analyst
I’m curious, can you give us a sense of how significantly you could improve them from here?
Robert A. Ramirez
Management
We have a pretty aggressive target that we are aiming towards. If you look at other of our competitors you will see some outliers that are in the 30s and 40s and we continue to think that we can head toward those levels.
George Sutton - Craig-Hallum Capital
Analyst
Ultimately you can use your own DSO success in selling REL.
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
They have helped us, by the way. Our internal target has been 45 days. Our COO has been all over this. Rob and his team along with our practice leaders, and David Dungan’s leadership have really driven this number down pretty significantly. Broadly speaking, our results probably drove $7.0 million to $8.0 million of the money. The cash flow improvements probably drove another $4.0 million to $5.0 million and the other delta is a couple of items. The payroll is probably another $2.0 million.
George Sutton - Craig-Hallum Capital
Analyst
Your expectations for Q4 look to be almost like there’s almost no real change in the environment other than FX and I think when you addressed on the call last quarter, you suggested Europe might remain relatively strong vis-à-vis the U.S. and I think that has changed in the quarter and your guidance really remains fairly robust. So can you give me a sense of whether or not anything really has changed or not?
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
Clearly things have changed so I think for us to say we don’t recognize what everyone is going through and the type of conversations we have with our clients would not be appropriate. Now, relative to our own business, and relative to Europe—it’s interesting, during the third quarter we get the August holiday impact so we wondered whether in the middle of the third quarter we were seeing some impact in activity or any lull of activity because of the holiday period or if it were something more significant. But we were pleased with some of the activity we saw in September and have seen so far in October. So when we look at that activity on a constant currency basis we are saying we are holding up pretty nicely. And as I also say, knock on wood. So we look at that. And when you couple in with Europe, what we believe is probably improving opportunity for REL, which is a nice piece of that entire European story, it still paints a healthy picture for us. So the real question for us is whether the economic impact on clients becomes so severe that they take more severe actions. When clients are hit very hard, what we see sometimes is that they decide to be less thoughtful and then just decide to make unilateral cuts, which may be very bold and may make them feel a lot better in the short term, but long term they will see that those kinds of changes do not drive sustainable, continuous improvement. So our goal out there is to make sure we are making sure clients understand that they need to do this in a thoughtful way, we’re one of those people that really can them. We have unique intellectual capital to do that and hope that continues to show up in our demand.
George Sutton - Craig-Hallum Capital
Analyst
Could you just give the share count at the end of the quarter? You did give a weighted average in the press release.
Robert A. Ramirez
Management
It’s approximately 42.0 million. I will give you the exact number later.
Operator
Operator
There are no further questions.
Ted A. Fernandez
Management
Let me thank everyone for participating in our third quarter earnings call. We look forward to updating you further when we report the fourth quarter and our annual results.
Operator
Operator
This concludes today’s conference call.