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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Julianne, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Copper Mountain Mining Corporation Fourth Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please note that comments made today are not of a historical factual nature and may contain forward-looking statements. This information by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the stated outcome to differ materially from actual outcomes. Please refer to slide 2 of today's presentation and Copper Mountain's fourth quarter 2019 management discussion and analysis for more information. I will now turn the call over to Gil Clausen, President and CEO of Copper Mountain Mining.

Gil Clausen

Analyst · today's presentation and Copper Mountain's fourth quarter 2019 management discussion and analysis for more information. I will now turn the call over to Gil Clausen, President and CEO of Copper Mountain Mining

Good morning, everyone and thanks for joining us. As you can see on slide 3, I have with me Don Strickland, Copper Mountain's Chief Operating Officer; and Rod Shier, our Chief Financial Officer. I'll begin by providing brief highlights and achievements in the year and Don will provide a more detailed discussion on our operations, followed by Rod who will speak to our financial results. I'll then wrap up and open the call for questions. Starting on slide 4. We finished the year in a solid position with strong production in the fourth quarter as planned. We moved 72 million pounds of copper and -- we produced rather 72 million pounds of copper in 2019 meeting guidance for the year. With the development that we completed in 2019, we expect to see the grade improvements we saw in the fourth quarter continue into 2020 and 2021. We're forecasting a substantial increase in production to 86 million to 96 million pounds of copper which is over 100 million pounds on a copper equivalent basis. And as we complete the mill expansion at the end of 2020, we expect production to remain at a similar level in 2021 and going forward. You'll note 2022 is a little lower production year but this is just due to mine sequencing. We expect to revert back to higher levels immediately afterwards. Our C1 cash cost per pound was US$1.92 in 2019. This is slightly higher than in 2018 mostly as a result of lower copper production. However, if you look at the total all-in cost to operate the mine it's pretty steady. Costs were 2% lower year-over-year about $233 million compared to $238 million in 2018. This is a testament of our cost-containment efforts and illustrate the mines consistently -- consistency and reliability year-after-year. Most of the cost variances on a unit basis are primarily due to copper grade and recovery fluctuations. Going forward as a result of higher production and improved grades, we expect our C1 cost to improve by 28% to $1.30 to $1.45 in 2020. Our all-in cost which includes sustaining capital and deferred stripping is expected to be US$1.95 to US$2.20 per pound in 2020. And we continue to invest in our business and to pay down debt finishing the year with $32 million in cash. Of note, subsequent to year-end we came to an agreement with our partners Mitsubishi Materials Corporation to extend our current related party debt to the mine until June 2023 making it a long-term liability. This improves immediately our working capital by about $100 million. This is not reflected on our year-end balance sheet but will be in the first quarter of this year. I'll now turn the call over to Don to go over our operational results. Don?

Don Strickland

Analyst · today's presentation and Copper Mountain's fourth quarter 2019 management discussion and analysis for more information. I will now turn the call over to Gil Clausen, President and CEO of Copper Mountain Mining

Thanks, Gil. Both the mine and mill continued to perform well during the quarter with the grade increasing as planned. Starting on slide 6, this slide highlights the areas mined during the quarter. The main ore supply came from the highlighted area on the west side of the main pit while smaller amounts of ore came from the highlighted areas on the north and south sides of main pit. Our strip ratio dropped to 2.7 during the quarter down from 4.1 in Q3 as we exposed more ore. We continued our focus on lease development in the south side of the main pit. We remain on plan to expose higher-grade ore for 2020 and 2021 production, as per our guidance. The grade is scheduled to increase throughout 2020 as we access more high-grade ore, resulting in production more weighted towards the second half of the year. Tonnes noted on the slide are exited tonnes. However, I would like to highlight, that the mine continued at a high tonnage rate, moving 18.1 million tonnes during the quarter and 69.7 million tonnes for the year. These numbers include 3.5 million tonnes of waste, placed within the pit during the quarter. And a total of 7.6 million tonnes of waste placed within the pit during the year. These in-pit placements provided working access to advanced high-grade ore, reduced haulage cost and increased overall productivity. These in-pit placed tonnes -- in-pit waste tonnes are scheduled to be relocated to the final location within the pit, during 2020 and 2021. Turning to slide 7, during the quarter we commissioned three new haul trucks and we plan to commission four new haul trucks in 2020. These trucks will replace the older trucks in our fleet. But we're excited that these trucks are being purchased as trolley…

Rod Shier

Analyst · today's presentation and Copper Mountain's fourth quarter 2019 management discussion and analysis for more information. I will now turn the call over to Gil Clausen, President and CEO of Copper Mountain Mining

Thank you, Don. As noted on slide 13, revenue for the fourth quarter of 2019 was $73.7 million, on the sale of 17.6 million pounds of copper approximately 6,000 ounces of gold and 76,800 ounces of silver. Revenue was relatively flat when comparing Q4, 2019 to Q4, 2018, despite lower sales during the fourth quarter of Q4, 2019 because of a 20% increase in gold prices experienced during Q4, 2019 when comparing quarter-over-quarter. This was partially offset by a 5% lower copper price realized in Q4, 2019. In addition, at the end of the quarter, there was a positive $6.5 million mark-to-market adjustment as compared to a negative $2.4 million adjustment in the fourth quarter of 2018. Mark-to-market adjustments are a requirement under IFRS for shipments outstanding and not settled at the quarter end or year-end. Revenue for the full year of 2019 was $288 million on the sale of 71.9 million pounds of copper, approximately 26,500 ounces of gold and 254,500 ounces of silver, as compared to revenues of $296 million on the sale of 79.2 million pounds of copper, approximately 26,800 ounces of gold and 284,000 ounces of silver for 2018. The 2019 revenue included a positive mark-to-market adjustment of $8.5 million for unsettled shipments at year-end as compared to a negative mark-to-market adjustment of $900,000 for the 2018 year-end. As noted on slide 13, cost of sales for the fourth quarter of 2019 was $72.1 million as compared to $65.3 million for the fourth quarter of 2018. The increase in cost of sales in Q4, 2019 as compared to Q4 2018 is primarily the result of mined cost of $7.3 million being allocated to deferred stripping and the low-grade stockpile in Q4, 2018, as compared to only $900,000 in Q4, 2019. Cost of sales for the year…

Gil Clausen

Analyst · today's presentation and Copper Mountain's fourth quarter 2019 management discussion and analysis for more information. I will now turn the call over to Gil Clausen, President and CEO of Copper Mountain Mining

Turning to slide 16. Thanks, Rod. In summary, we have a very busy year ahead. Work on the Eva Copper bankable feasibility study is going quite well. We expect to announce results by the end of the first quarter. These results will include the Blackard deposit which we announced a resource for last October of 836 million pounds of copper. We've also optimized the flow sheet and the mine plans and we expect that work to result in substantial improvements in production and cost for the project. Mid-year, we plan on commissioning the DFRs, as Don has noted, and the first stage of our mill expansion project then comes the installation and commissioning of the third ball mill by the end of the year. And that will take us to 45,000 tons per day sustainable and support our improved recoveries and higher production with the improvements in grinding. As we continue to explore and drill throughout the year, we'll be updating the reserve and resource for the Copper Mountain Mine and you can expect that to come out sometime in the fourth quarter. So with these greatly expanded reserves that we created last year, as Don mentioned, we are currently in a situation where our reserve life materially outsizes our planned production rate at 45,000 tons a day. Consequently, we're working on a further expansion study designed to test increased production at the copper mine to 60,000 tonnes to 70,000 tonnes per day from the 45,000 tonnes per day post-completion of the current mill expansion. We expect to announce the results of this study before the end of this year so sometime in the fourth quarter. There remains huge untapped potential at the Copper Mountain Mine and we're committed to realizing that value for our shareholders. Just to conclude, we built a solid foundation in 2019 and we are now set up to deliver on a high-growth year in 2020 with improved grades, increased production and lower costs. We expect a strong 2020 and beyond. And with that, I will open up the call to questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Orest Wowkodaw from Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Orest Wowkodaw

Analyst · Scotiabank. Your line is open

Hi. Good morning. Rod, can you give us some more details around the deferral of the related party advance with Mitsubishi? I mean, obviously that's very positive to push it out middle of 2023. But can you give us some details on then what the repayment schedule looks like beginning in 2023?

Rod Shier

Analyst · Scotiabank. Your line is open

Sure, Orest. As you know, Mitsubishi has been very, very supportive of the project. And these one-year notes have really started from day one. And the intent has always been that they'd be long term and now we're just getting them characterized as long-term. The interest rate is around 2.88%. And they're going to -- the repayment terms will be matched to the cash flow of the mine at that point in time. So it's very flexible financing. So I think the best way to think about it is that very attractive JPEG financing that we have just continues on to match the cash flow of the mine.

Orest Wowkodaw

Analyst · Scotiabank. Your line is open

So will they take then starting in 2023 kind of a disproportionate share of the free cash flow of the mine to start paying down that related party piece? Is that the way to think about it?

Rod Shier

Analyst · Scotiabank. Your line is open

Yes. That's a good way to think about it in terms of it's all -- this all depends on copper pricing and gold pricing and where the cash flow of the mine is. You'll see that if you run your numbers $0.10, $0.20 higher that accelerates the repayment and vice versa the other way.

Orest Wowkodaw

Analyst · Scotiabank. Your line is open

Okay. But is there a formula you can give us in terms of what percent of free cash flow or anything like that, or...

Rod Shier

Analyst · Scotiabank. Your line is open

No, there's nothing like that and there hasn't been from day one.

Orest Wowkodaw

Analyst · Scotiabank. Your line is open

Okay.

Rod Shier

Analyst · Scotiabank. Your line is open

And Mitsubishi has been very supportive as you know. And we didn't -- you go back to 2015 when copper was $1.95, $2 and they were very supportive. And that's where this rolling of these notes really -- the genesis started from.

Orest Wowkodaw

Analyst · Scotiabank. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Stefan Ioannou from Cormark Securities. Your line is open.

Stefan Ioannou

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

Yeah. Thanks very much, guys. Maybe just a couple for me. Just wondering with the work going through this year to increase the grinding capacity thanks very much for that slide that sort of shows just the distribution of fine versus coarse grain in the pit. But will that optimization actually take care of some of the finer grain door that might be left in the mine plan going forward, or is it more just enhance the sort of, the regular for lack of a better word type of mineralization?

Don Strickland

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

Yes, Stefan. Certainly, the improvement in the grind with the ball mill expansion has a larger impact on the fine mineralogy. And so overall there is an improvement on all these domains for the mineralogies, but there's a bigger positive impact on the fine and very fine mineralogy.

Stefan Ioannou

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

Okay. Okay, great. And just wondering just on the just with the deferred stripping this past quarter I think the strip ratio was 2.7:1, but that's still -- that's higher than your sort of latest life of mine number but yet you didn't defer any stripping. Can you just maybe remind me how exactly that's working right now?

Rod Shier

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

As you know Stefan our life of -- our new life of mine average strip ratio for this coming year is significantly lower because of the mine life. So…

Stefan Ioannou

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

Yeah.

Rod Shier

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

And we're not anticipating significant dollars this year around $13 million, if our mine plan comes in as estimated. But, it's basically if you go above your life of mine strip under the accounting rules, they make you normalize it. So, you take those dollars out and you have to defer them and then amortize them over the rest of the mine life. If you go under the strip ratio, you do nothing. You just take it as it comes.

Stefan Ioannou

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

Yeah. So, what was your -- I mean what strip ratio were you comparing to, I guess for Q4 like to have deferred versus not? What was the -- can you just remind what the number was?

Rod Shier

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

The one in Q4 was a little bit higher. We were still operating under the previous resource, and I think it was about 2.88:1. And now we've brought that down with more advancement in our long-term plan versus mine life.

Stefan Ioannou

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I know it's quite a bit lower. No, that's right. Okay. And just...

Rod Shier

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

You'll also notice that long-term extension of the mine life also impacts our depreciation. You're going to see that cut in about half.

Stefan Ioannou

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

Got it. Okay. Okay. Thanks very much. And then, maybe Gil can you just comment -- obviously it's great to see like Orest mentioned just getting the debt pushed out to middle 2023. Has there been any more thought on sort of just looking at your debt overall, and sort of maybe sort of restructuring it to sort of look at sort of what you want to do with New Ingerbelle and then also into Australia over time?

Gil Clausen

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

Stefan, I think we are pretty comfortable with the low cost of our debt at Copper Mountain and our ability to be able to fund expansions at Copper Mountain. So, your question really is about the financing of the Eva project. And you'll see that when we complete the Eva feasibility study at the end of the first quarter, our expectation is that we'll see quite a robust project. And it's our intent, as we've mentioned previously, to put together a complete financing strategy for that on a project finance basis and look at the options related to Eva at that time. We have a lot of lending interest for the project on a project basis in Australia, and we have a lot of triggers that we can pull to manage that development in a non-dilutive way to our shareholders. So, I'd say just stay tuned a little bit on that. It's a great project. And generally speaking, projects -- great projects have a way to get done and get financed, and we're looking forward to be able to give a little bit more color and clarity as we move forward in the year on that project.

Stefan Ioannou

Analyst · Cormark Securities. Your line is open

Okay, great. Thanks very much, guys.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions. This will conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Gil Clausen

Analyst · today's presentation and Copper Mountain's fourth quarter 2019 management discussion and analysis for more information. I will now turn the call over to Gil Clausen, President and CEO of Copper Mountain Mining

Thank you.